Saturday open thread

By Michelle Malkin  •  August 8, 2009 01:37 PM

Doing chores and decompressing!

FYI: Here’s the official NYTimes best-seller list, WSJ list, and Publisher’s Weekly list. But, you know, we’re just “fringe!”

Talk amongst yourselves.

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  1. #1
    On August 8th, 2009 at 1:39 pm, carole said:

    Anyone know what is happening in St. Louis with protest for Mr. Gladney?

  2. #2
    On August 8th, 2009 at 1:39 pm, happyscrapper said:

    I’ll start!

  3. #3
    On August 8th, 2009 at 1:40 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Ooops…thought I was first. Oh, well!

  4. #4
    On August 8th, 2009 at 1:42 pm, tonyr951 said:

    Look for, the Union Label……and buy something else

    btw

    Anyone else remember those ‘Union Label’ commercials when we were kids?

  5. #5
    On August 8th, 2009 at 1:44 pm, happyscrapper said:

    So, Obama is taking “credit” for the tiny bit of downturn in unemployment. Silly, silly man. First of all, the pork-laden, earmark filled “stimulus” money is only 10% out there. So how can that possibly be helping anything??? Also, the unemployment figures are nebulous, depending on who you ask. Are they including people who are no longer receiving unemployment because it ran out?? There is NO WAY that Obama’s massive spending and tax increases will stimulate this economy. If there is a (temporary) upturn, it is accidental and in spite of him, not because of him.

  6. #6
    On August 8th, 2009 at 1:45 pm, tre said:

    Sunny and hot here in Oklahoma City. Took my 2 year old daughter for a walk. I wish I knew when I was single what a “Chick Magnet” a baby is!

    Oh well.

  7. #7
    On August 8th, 2009 at 1:49 pm, richardbo said:

    Where is Michelle Obama? What evil is she concocting?

  8. #8
    On August 8th, 2009 at 1:49 pm, zeroangel said:
  9. #9
    On August 8th, 2009 at 1:54 pm, tiredofit08 said:

    don’t believe it about the slight downturn in unemployment…my wife is unemployed but she’s not counted because she quit a job to take another (because the prior job was ending it two weeks)then got fired 4 days later…she’s NOT counted since she was denied benefits for quitting the job to take another one! Also they took a bunch our of the figures so therefore the downturn…gee cook the books so dear leader can take credit…slime ball…

  10. #10
    On August 8th, 2009 at 1:57 pm, Bulldogger said:

    Anyone know what is happening in St. Louis with protest for Mr. Gladney?

    I have been looking for info as well and have found zip. Seems weird that a big billed event like this has no coverage at all.

  11. #11
    On August 8th, 2009 at 1:59 pm, zorro said:

    Congratulations once again on your number 1 best seller! When will you appear on CSPAN2 Book TV? Tomorrow evening?

    On August 8th, 2009 at 1:42 pm, tonyr951 said:

    Look for, the Union Label……and buy something else

    Exactly. Living here in western PA as a child, thuggish union behavior was the norm. There were wildcat strikes often. We watched the Teamsters, steel workers etc. running amok weekly. Intimidation, gang-like beatings, and murder were the order of the day. For the record, I will not knowingly buy another union made product.

  12. #12
    On August 8th, 2009 at 1:59 pm, BrianNY said:

    The air corridor where a small plane and a sightseeing helicopter went down this afternoon in NYC is the same where Obama’s Team held a photo shoot with Air Force One this year.

    I lived just underneath this corridor on a sailboat for over ten years, and was always amazed at how chock full of aircraft this area was: helicopters and small aircraft whizzing by in two directions, while commercial aircraft out of Liberty Newark Airport fly north-above every 5 minutes from 5 or 6 o’clock AM until around 11 o’clock at night.

    I say this because, in addition to fueling up and using Air Force One as a photo-op for an extended period of time…can you imagine the cost of tying up this corridor for the purpose of public relations?

  13. #13
    On August 8th, 2009 at 1:59 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On August 8th, 2009 at 1:49 pm, zeroangel said:
    http://michellemalkin.com/2009/07/23/the-dont-taze-me-bro-moment-of-henry-louis-gates/

    Don’t let it die.

    I dropped in over there this morning. Try it.

  14. #14
    On August 8th, 2009 at 2:02 pm, b-cat said:

    On August 8th, 2009 at 1:44 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Remembering back to my Economics course, there is a thing called a “double dip” recession. Things decline, then a brief respite before things get really bad.

    I hope that is not coming.

  15. #15
    On August 8th, 2009 at 2:02 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Seems weird that a big billed event like this has no coverage at all.

    Oh, REALLY? Weird? Or just the msm’s non-reporting as usual. Remember, this particular story makes SEIU look bad. They don’t want the public to know what is really going on out there to ordinary citizens. They are in Obama’s pocket and will cover up as long as they can.

  16. #16
    On August 8th, 2009 at 2:04 pm, cirrus1701 said:

    Because as we all know…
    America works less when you say “Union Yes.”

    (I realize this is a blanket statement. It seems to fit quite well for these union thugs.)

  17. #17
    On August 8th, 2009 at 2:05 pm, Artbyruth said:

    Just got back from a TEA party protest/rally in Scottsdale AZ. Boy was it fun!!! Horns honking in support of our signs….senior citizens out in droves…parents brought their kids….Vietnam Vets….It was AMERICA at its best!!

    Can’t wait for the next one….

  18. #18
    On August 8th, 2009 at 2:06 pm, happyscrapper said:

    We had about 1 hour of incredible thunder and torrential rain here in Bloomington, Minnesota at about 1:30 a.m. I didn’t get much sleep. Flash flood warnings. Lakeville got over 6 inches of rain in a very short time. Now, it is hot and very muggy. Our summer has been unusually cool and calm. But August promises to be a typical summer month in Minnesota. When I say “typical” that means that it always gets hot in the summer. NOT global warming for crying out loud!!

  19. #19
    On August 8th, 2009 at 2:07 pm, graysonret said:

    Just got back from talking with a friend who was late paying personal property taxes, due back in May. The city government garnished his whole paycheck; no hearing, no notice. His paycheck, next week, will be lost too. He, and his family, live paycheck to paycheck. The city is run by black democrats. I thought they were “for the poor”? Fortunately, for him…not so much for me…he got a “loan” from me to help feed his family, and pay his rent at the end of the month. He is a responsible person, just having a tough time this year. I knew, at the time, how much it hurt just to talk to me about it. His wife can’t work, so they have been saving nickels and pennies to survive. I wonder how he and others will survive when the tax cuts are dropped and taxes go up to pay for this massive spending. The government will take all their money, hand them a pittance and tell them how they “care about the poor”.

  20. #20
    On August 8th, 2009 at 2:08 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On August 8th, 2009 at 1:49 pm, richardbo said:
    Where is Michelle Obama? What evil is she concocting?

    Let me guess…she is either:
    1. Chewing out Teh One because she caught him smoking behind the barn.
    2. Wolfing down a contraband cheeseburger behind the barn.
    3. Shopping
    4. Volunteering at the local hospital to transport non-paying patients by wheelbarrow to other hospitals.

  21. #21
    On August 8th, 2009 at 2:17 pm, Misscheryl said:

    Hello in the house!

  22. #22
    On August 8th, 2009 at 2:17 pm, right_on said:

    So, Obama is taking “credit” for the tiny bit of downturn in unemployment.

    I’m willing to give the OIC (Orchestrating Innacuracies Commadant) credit for this one…after all, we have seen how easily information can be skewed, omitted, and not released so that a particular outcome can be achieved.

    So, way to go Comrade President! You did it!

  23. #23
    On August 8th, 2009 at 2:20 pm, TigerLady said:

    No local news in St. Louis until 5 pm. Hopefully one of the stations will cover it. I’m not holding my breath.

  24. #24
    On August 8th, 2009 at 2:25 pm, Jet Jaguar said:

    Am having a Facebook debate with an Obama worshiper. Please pray for my success. I think that he’s starting to see some of the cracks in The One’s facade.

  25. #25
    On August 8th, 2009 at 2:28 pm, TigerLady said:

    Jet, I’m new to this board but a long time reader. I enjoy your posts and I’m sure you can hold your own with a drone.

  26. #26
    On August 8th, 2009 at 2:36 pm, reshas1 said:

    My husband is self employed and has been basically unemployeed for the last 8-9 months. We’ve been living off of savings and CC’s, out of that now. He finally has a contract(he’s a construction manager/developer)but we won’t be back on our feet for YEARS.. I have been a stay at home mom, have been looking for work, but who would want to hire a 50 yo former travel agent.. It’s all very discouraging. And watching those smug ass politicions, just makes my blood boil.

  27. #27
    On August 8th, 2009 at 2:36 pm, reshas1 said:
  28. #28
    On August 8th, 2009 at 2:41 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “my wife is unemployed but she’s not counted”

    The under employed are also not being counted. Folks who are working part time jobs instead of the full time jobs they lost or folks who took full time jobs but at a fraction of their previous salary are not being counted.

  29. #29
    On August 8th, 2009 at 2:44 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    Check out MSNBC’s treatment of a potential Chris Dodd challenger.

    This is journalism?

    “If this health bill goes through, Dodd will be a hero…”

    Does that sound unbiased and professional to you?

  30. #30
    On August 8th, 2009 at 2:49 pm, purealchemy said:

    On August 8th, 2009 at 1:49 pm, zeroangel said:
    http://michellemalkin.com/2009/07/23/the-dont-taze-me-bro-moment-of-henry-louis-gates/

    Don’t let it die

    Good work, zero!

    Just got back from the St. Louis Tea Party protest in front of SEIU office for Kenneth Gaffney, the young black man who was beaten by SEIU thugs at a townhall meeting here Thursday.
    For details, see thread above.

  31. #31
    On August 8th, 2009 at 2:54 pm, 24Klady said:

    Congrats and kudos to our hostess! Bet that just skins the hide in some bookstores?

    Thought it funny about another book title on the list, the one titled “Act Like a Lady, Think like a Man” – my dad gave me the same line before my first job interview. The guy stole my daddy’s line! I want restitution!! ;)

    And, yes, unions can be brought to their knees if we just don’t spend money on anything they’ve touched. Going out of town tonight, I’m tempted to ask the hotel if they employ people that belong to the SEIU(sp?)? You know, the same ones that yell racist obscenities and threaten to beat up old people?

  32. #32
    On August 8th, 2009 at 2:58 pm, right_on said:

    The only unions that should be legal in the United States are Peace Officer unions. When liberals are in charge, this group suffers; demagoguery, villification, lack of public support, mental distress, and false accusations of brutality. Without law enforcement advocates, these groups of heroic men and women would suffer even more unimaginable harm.

    As a group, they are at the top of the list for divorces, stress-related injuries, and suicides.

    Regarding PO stress; it’s bad enough when officers have to watch their backs out on the mean streets, but when liberal politicians, race-baiting ministers of color, and socialist harpies attack them for doing a thankless job (which basically amounts to “street sweeping” or if you like, “creep sweeping,”) that’s something entirely different, and it takes it’s toll!

    Police Officers do not rub elbows with the cream of society, nor do they get feted with lavish gifts, and expense paid trips. These fearless “true” public servants, go to work every day, knowing that they may not ever make it home again.

    I get really angry when I see what our politicians are paid (for lining their pockets at our expense), versus the pittance police officers are paid for putting their lives on the line. God help them if they every get hurt on the job. Then, the real villification begins by administrators, who go all out trying to limit, or avoid justified compensation.

    Like our honorable service members, I am truly grateful for their dedication, and humbled by their sacrifices. Thank you for all you do!

  33. #33
    On August 8th, 2009 at 3:02 pm, Hangfire said:

    On August 8th, 2009 at 1:45 pm, tre said:
    Sunny and hot here in Oklahoma City. Took my 2 year old daughter for a walk. I wish I knew when I was single what a “Chick Magnet” a baby is!

    You think a baby’s a magnet….

    Try a Basset Hound. If I only knew back then.

  34. #34
    On August 8th, 2009 at 3:04 pm, happyscrapper said:

    “If this health bill goes through, Dodd will be a hero…”

    How can anyone, even a moonbat, say that without puking in their mouth?

  35. #35
    On August 8th, 2009 at 3:06 pm, TigerLady said:
  36. #36
    On August 8th, 2009 at 3:07 pm, purealchemy said:

    Oops! I got his name wrong.
    Kenneth Gladney.

  37. #37
    On August 8th, 2009 at 3:08 pm, happyscrapper said:

    I believe that the far-left liberals were born without a conscience. Therefore, their corruption is just second nature to them and there is no way they will ever think they did anything wrong. I bet they could even pass a lie detector test, because they truly believe their lies. That is what makes them so dangerous and frightening.

  38. #38
    On August 8th, 2009 at 3:10 pm, Common Sense said:

    It’s currently 75 degrees at just past 1 pm, with a high of 83 expected. In August.

    We actually had a fairly warm week last week, around 90, with a couple of other days around 90 in July.

    It’s been the coolest, wettest summer I can ever remember.

    I’ve been enjoying my birthday (yesterday) but lounging in my new office chair from my family, and playing with my new barcode scanner, entering our DVD and book collection into Libra and LibraryThing. Very cool.

  39. #39
    On August 8th, 2009 at 3:11 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On August 8th, 2009 at 2:58 pm, right_on said: I get really angry when I see what our politicians are paid (for lining their pockets at our expense), versus the pittance police officers are paid for putting their lives on the line. God help them if they every get hurt on the job. Then, the real villification begins by administrators, who go all out trying to limit, or avoid justified compensation.

    Yeah, and then we have to watch the POTUS go on national TV and call the police “STUPID”. The POTUS!! Can it get any more disgusting than that?

  40. #40
    On August 8th, 2009 at 3:13 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On August 8th, 2009 at 3:10 pm, Common Sense said:

    Happy birthday!! And many many more! Enjoy your COOL gifts.

  41. #41
    On August 8th, 2009 at 3:16 pm, backwoods conservative said:

    On August 8th, 2009 at 3:10 pm, Common Sense said:

    I’ve been enjoying my birthday (yesterday)

    Happy Birthday!

    Fred Thompson describes his radio show as the search for common sense. You’ve been right here all along!

  42. #42
    On August 8th, 2009 at 3:22 pm, 24Klady said:

    happyscrapper
    Speaking to people and not calling them ‘stupid’ is above IWon’s paygrade.

    Common Sense
    Happy B-Day! Now you can be comfy while you spend time online. Careful though, you can sure eat up a lot of time that way!

  43. #43
    On August 8th, 2009 at 3:22 pm, teachem2 said:

    On August 8th, 2009 at 2:44 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    Check out MSNBC’s treatment of a potential Chris Dodd challenger.

    This is journalism?

    “If this health bill goes through, Dodd will be a hero…”

    Does that sound unbiased and professional to you?

    That was an absolute disgrace. O’Donnell didn’t let Schiff answer ANY of the questions. He kept answering them himself. Unfortunately, that’s what does pass for journalism these days to those who are uninformed.

  44. #44
    On August 8th, 2009 at 3:30 pm, happyscrapper said:

    O’Donnell didn’t let Schiff answer ANY of the questions. He kept answering them himself. Unfortunately, that’s what does pass for journalism these days to those who are uninformed.

    As I said to Jerry Rivers when I met him on the street…SPIT. Just kidding, I never met Jerry Rivers. If I had, I would have probably done more than spit. But you get the point.

  45. #45
    On August 8th, 2009 at 3:30 pm, beenthere said:

    Since this is an open thread, I thought I would share a recent “conversation” I had with my doctor, a man I have gone to for several years. The exam was finishing up and we had a few minutes and in the past we have have rapped about health care matters and issues. Once he had told me that SARS was going to get a lot of people and I better be prepared. But I disagreed, telling him that I had been reading about it in fumento.com and clearly the danger was overrated. It turned out that fumento was correct. We never discussed SARS again.

    Anyway, I was curious, so I asked him what he thought of the new health care plans coming out of Washington. Well, he was all for them. In fact he wanted to put everyone under medicare at once. Moreover, he hated insurance companies. I kept quiet and listened.

    He said insurance companies were all greedy and far to rich — he said the CEO of my insurance company made “over one billion dollars last year,” and essentially the government was obligated to do something drastic. I was skeptical of the amount he mentioned, but I didn’t have the figures to challenge him so I let it go. Recall, I was listening, not debating. At one point I suggested however that while we both agreed there were a lot of problems with the current health care system, it did not follow that the government was the solution. Unfortunately, that really set him off. He told me I “needed to stop listening to Rush Limbaugh” (Mr. Limbaugh had never been mentioned by me in this or any of our previous conversations — in fact, I’m not a listener though I do visit his site regularly). He then strongly implied, without stating it directly, that anyone who did not want to get everyone onto medicare was for his mother suffering a painful death — the actual example he used. He was so agitated at that point, I closed the conversation and left.

    I mention this because not every doctor is unhappy with what the democrats are proposing — whatever nightmare it is. Moreover, I suspect there are many doctors on the Left Coast who essentially believe all the democrat talking points and really are for socialized medicine. Still, I was quite surprised by the hard line he had taken, though maybe I should not have been that surprised. A few years ago he had been asking his patients if they had gun(s) in the house — telling me when it my turn to be questioned that many of them got upset when he asked that. I suggested at the time, obliquely, that he needed to get out more often.

    Maybe I should think about getting a new doctor, but this is the Left Coast so perhaps I should keep with the one I know rather than fly to others I know not of . . . What do you think?

  46. #46
    On August 8th, 2009 at 3:33 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    happyscrapper: here is an excellent column in yesterday’s NYT on the big picture on unemployment in America.

    America has been stripping and outsourcing the best jobs for the past twenty years or so. The only real job growth is in government and the “cheap labor” trades.

  47. #47
    On August 8th, 2009 at 3:36 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “I mention this because not every doctor is unhappy with what the democrats are proposing…”

    Remember that some of the left liberal democrat doctor types especially at academic institutions are some of the folks providing the proposals in the health care legislation.

    I am around lots of doctors. I can assure you the majority are not in favor of Obama’s proposals. I also know several hospital administrators. The ones I know have no idea what in the world the hospital associations were doing negotiating with Obama as they did a few months ago.

  48. #48
    On August 8th, 2009 at 3:40 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “He was so agitated at that point…”

    been….

    Yes, you need a new doctor. Not because of his personal political views. But because he can’t seem to stay objective and leave them out of your patient-doctor relationship.

    I would say the same if he was a conservative telling you to listen to Rush instead of telling you not to.

    The patient-doctor relationship is no place for politics. It has to be open, trusting and unencumbered by nonessential matters. When it comes to your health and doctor-patient relationship, politics is a nonessential.

    You meet for coffee somewhere to discuss politics, that’s a different matter.

  49. #49
    On August 8th, 2009 at 3:40 pm, teachem2 said:

    beenthere,

    Out of curiosity, what is the approximate age of your doctor? I suspect you are right that he doesn’t get out enough. I also suspect that he doesn’t deal much with the business side of his practice, otherwise he wouldn’t be all for everyone being on a Medicare type program.

    As far as changing doctors, it’s a pretty common practice now for people to interview a prospective doctor, so if you have the time, it might be a good idea. I go a lot off of recommendations from relatives who are in the medical field and who they recommend. I guess the bottom line, for me, is how talented and effective they are at their profession, not so much their ideological position. For you, it may be different, but go with what makes you most comfortable.

  50. #50
    On August 8th, 2009 at 3:45 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Maybe I should think about getting a new doctor, but this is the Left Coast so perhaps I should keep with the one I know rather than fly to others I know not of . . . What do you think?

    I think that if my doctor was a far-left moonbat, I would not trust him to treat a hangnail. That’s what I think.

  51. #51
    On August 8th, 2009 at 3:45 pm, Boomer said:

    Enjoying a very cool day in the high desert of Southwest Idaho with a high of 75 expected, but current temp is only 62 although it will start to heat up in the low 80s tomorrow returning to our normal high 80 low 90 temp range. Now that all the weekend chores we can take off for the annual Basque celebration hosted by the decedents of those that originally settled this part of Idaho after the gold rush finished up. Stay safe folks and have a great day!

  52. #52
    On August 8th, 2009 at 3:57 pm, BOB said:

    I realize he’s only been president for 7 months, but considering the Obama loving main stream media, does anyone find it odd there are no TV specials on the life of Obama?

    Starting with were he was born, his early years, his life in Indonesia with his step father. His years in Hawaii with his grandparents. They could talk of the friends who stongly influenced his life, from the commie Frank Marshall Davis up to the Rev. Wright….convicted felon Tony Rezko in greater depth, and of course the terrorist duo, Bill Ayers and Benandine Dohrn. His years associated with ACORN and the Chicago machine could be looked at in greater detail.

    This historic president should have the honor bestowed upon him of a close look at what makes him tick, but so far there is only this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZqCLzbWhRo&feature=channel_page

    It’s definitely worth a look.

  53. #53
    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:00 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    In health care there are lots of folks who think all the problems we on the inside see, like substandard care in mental health areas, would be fixed if more money was available. Many inside health care do not like insurance companies and view the insurance companies as being the bad guys preventing patients from getting everything health care providers want. Many view the insurance industry as basically the folks who always say “NO”.

    The doctor I see is a Cigna doctor. Works for Cigna, works at a Cigna facility, Cigna is an insurance company. My doctor has never bad mouthed the “insurance” company. However his staff when faced with having to do their jobs and deal with Cigna to make sure something is covered or approved, will all the time when offering an explanation for a delay or complication will quickly and easily offer this, “well it is your insurance company…”. I just laugh. That insurance company is the one who pays them and allows them to have a home, car and send their kids to college.

    There are many inside health care that think all a patient needs to be well, have the best wellness that can be provided, is to have the latest and greatest medicine, treatment, diagnostic procedure, etc. For those folks they view the insurance industry as being bad guys preventing patients from receiving everything under the sun and forcing patients to live a “less than” rather than “more than” life.

    Many of the folks in health care support a full blown medicare like payment program where all folks have coverage and can see the doctor regardless of cost. Those folks imagine that in such a world everyone would have the best wellness, etc., possible.

    Those folks are very likely to support Obama.

    The problem is of course what Obama’s current legislation does is no where near what these health care folks envision. Health care will be worse under government single payer plans not better. There seems to be little acknowledgement that government run health care will not provide new, greatest, all for everyone.

    I’ve seen government run mental health programs. God awful things they are I can assure you.

    Just know that what seems to be a reasonable assumption that folks in health care would be the last people on earth to want Obamacare, that is not the case. Many see it as a good thing because those folks are well intentioned and want to help as many folks as possible. For some reason they don’t connect the dots between their intentions and Obamacare reality.

    I always try to point out salary differences for similiarly trained professionals in the UK, Canada, etc. Socialized medicine clearly pays less across the board. I work with nurses from Canada all the time. They travel to the US to work 8 months out of the year and make many times more then their counterparts make working all year in Canada.

    Falls on deaf ears.

    Take a moment and see what the position is of the California Nursing Union….

    Here:

    http://www.calnurse.org/

    and here:

    http://www.guaranteedhealthcare.org/

    I used to be licensed in California. No longer active. Just Arizona. But if I was active in California I’d be hammering the union as to why they support something what has lowered the salary of other nurses world wide?

  54. #54
    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:01 pm, Jet Jaguar said:

    On August 8th, 2009 at 2:28 pm, TigerLady said:

    Jet, I’m new to this board but a long time reader. I enjoy your posts and I’m sure you can hold your own with a drone.

    Welcome aboard, TigerLady! Thanks for your vote of confidence.

  55. #55
    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:06 pm, Lee Hazel said:

    It is mind boggling that Sotomayor was given a “pass” on two of the most significant issues on the Political Table today.

    First: Gun Laws and the Second Amendment
    Second: Abortion

    It’ disturbing that not even our few Republican conservatives were able to get this into the confirmation process.

    PC is Thought Control
    LEE

  56. #56
    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:09 pm, graysonret said:

    Yes, you need a new doctor. Not because of his personal political views. But because he can’t seem to stay objective and leave them out of your patient-doctor relationship.

    I don’t discuss politics or what’s happening in Washington with my patients. That isn’t my job. I have enough to keep me busy without trying to convince people, one way or another, what politicial view to have. If asked, I’m very general and, if pressed, ask what their view is. I’m committed to treat people with illness and disease, 24/7. Now, if they create time, such as 26/8, I might spend 2 hours a day, and 1 day a week, convincing patients on the stupidity of Obama’s rush to marxism. Until then, people want help; that’s my job.

  57. #57
    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:14 pm, Jet Jaguar said:

    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:06 pm, Lee Hazel said:

    It is mind boggling that Sotomayor was given a “pass” on two of the most significant issues on the Political Table today.

    First: Gun Laws and the Second Amendment
    Second: Abortion

    It’ disturbing that not even our few Republican conservatives were able to get this into the confirmation process.

    PC is Thought Control
    LEE

    Lee, she’s got a bad track record on other rights as well: Sotomayor confirmation a defeat for individual, property, gun rights

  58. #58
    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:17 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “I guess the bottom line, for me, is how talented and effective they are at their profession, not so much their ideological position”

    I will offer you a different point of view teach…. For me its about honesty and integrity not so much talent. I am okay, very okay, with my doctors not knowing everything. It is an amazing relief when I have a doctor who admits not knowing about something adn together we learn and work at a thing. I can give you real world example, incretins for diabetes.

    My doctor other than knowing about them didn’t have a good working knowledge of them. Admitted such, offered a referral to an endocronologist if I wanted. I told him I’d rather he and I learn together about them, given they are becoming more widespread in their use, and it would help me, help him, and help other patients in his practice.

    I and he would never had that chance to learn and grow had he not been honest.

    Yes clinical skill and expertise matters. But for me, honesty and integrity matter more. I can trust a doctor who is honest. I don’t care how skilled and knowledgeable a doctor is if they are assholes, they are not going to be my or my family’s doctor.

    In other words as entertaining as he is, Dr. House would not be my physician….

    :)

  59. #59
    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:19 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    The wife and I just got back from a nice motorcycle ride over to a LondonDerry Flea market. I picked up a most awesome Monty Python “Black Knight” T-shirt for the paltry sum of $3! Wicked Pissah!

  60. #60
    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:22 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Its just a flesh wound…..

  61. #61
    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:32 pm, graysonret said:

    Yes clinical skill and expertise matters. But for me, honesty and integrity matter more. I can trust a doctor who is honest.

    Anyone in the medical field, can’t be an expert on everything. It’s impossible. We all have the fields we love to work. A patient will always know when you’re trying to “be a congressman” with him. Being honest is what pays.

  62. #62
    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:35 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “can’t be an expert on everything.”

    gray…..

    I’ll give your name and contact information to a few docs I get to work with….

    ;)

  63. #63
    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:38 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:06 pm, Lee Hazel said:
    It is mind boggling that Sotomayor was given a “pass” on two of the most significant issues on the Political Table today.

    First: Gun Laws and the Second Amendment
    Second: Abortion

    It’ disturbing that not even our few Republican conservatives were able to get this into the confirmation process.

    But Lindsey Graham thinks she is just great!! Another creepy guy who needs to retire from politics after being there way too long.

  64. #64
    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:38 pm, purealchemy said:

    On August 8th, 2009 at 2:20 pm, TigerLady said:
    No local news in St. Louis until 5 pm. Hopefully one of the stations will cover it. I’m not holding my breath

    At least one of the local stations was there. I’ll check the Post-Disgrace..er..Dispatch website for coverage.

  65. #65
    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:44 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    I know Supreme Court justices matter but Sotomayor was a wash. Nothing about the court’s decisions are going to change all that much.

    The battle is going to be when one of the conservative honest to goodness real constructionist needs to be replaced. Is Obama going to give the balance of the court consideration then? Of course not. That is the battle and as far as I’m concerned all ammo needs to be saved for the big one, not this little skirmish.

    I know, not popular position. But there it is.

  66. #66
    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:44 pm, purealchemy said:


    Tea Party rally draws about 200; no violence is reported.

    St. Louis police officers were on the scene of today’s protest by members of the St. Louis Tea Party in front of the SEIU headquarters on Pershing Avenue. (Robert Cohen/P-D)By Georgina Gustin

    08/08/2009

    ST. LOUIS A protest held by the “Tea Party” coalition today outside the offices of the Service Employees Union International drew about 200 people, but did not devolve into physical clashes — and even saw moments of civility between opponents in the swelling national debate over healthcare reform.

    The protest was held less than 48 hours after a raucous forum organized by U.S. Rep. Russ Carnahan, D-St. Louis, led to violence and the arrest of six people. In the wake of the arrests, the forum — and the healthcare issues it attempted to focus on — has drawn widespread media attention, particularly from conservative talk show hosts, including Bill O’Reilly and Rush Limbaugh. Both discussed the arrests on their shows Friday.

    “Limbaugh gave the address,” said Sam Miloscia, a student from Jefferson County who drove up for the protest, held at noon. “This is just a demonstration of numbers.”

    Saturday’s protest was organized Friday by the Tea Party coalition, a group that formed earlier this year to oppose what it sees a reckless government spending. The offices of the union, which supports the president’s plan, were closed Saturday and the union didn’t send members to attend.

    Only a few supporters of the president’s plan showed up, including a trio of students. “In the beginning we were being shouted down,” said Michael Browning, a student at Washington University. “But in the end we had a civil conversation. We even shook hands.”

  67. #67
    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:46 pm, teachem2 said:

    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:17 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:
    Yes clinical skill and expertise matters. But for me, honesty and integrity matter more. I can trust a doctor who is honest. I don’t care how skilled and knowledgeable a doctor is if they are assholes, they are not going to be my or my family’s doctor.

    I agree with you totally. In my opinion, part of being effective is honesty and integrity. That’s precisely why I don’t just rely on talent. I, too, had a physician who admitted he didn’t know everything, but because he was honest about it, my visits with him were effective because he always pointed me in the right direction when he didn’t know the answer. Like you, sometimes we found the answers together. Unfortunately for me, my doctor no longer is affiliated with a practice and now works
    for St. Jude.

  68. #68
    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:48 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “sometimes we found the answers together.”

    I like that process the best. Something about it is way more satisfying on every level including how my doctor feels. Really changes the relationship to being in this thing together rather than potential legal adversaries. I can’t imagine ever suing my doctor who works with me as a partner. Really can’t imagine ever doing so.

  69. #69
    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:51 pm, teachem2 said:

    The battle is going to be when one of the conservative honest to goodness real constructionist needs to be replaced. Is Obama going to give the balance of the court consideration then? Of course not. That is the battle and as far as I’m concerned all ammo needs to be saved for the big one, not this little skirmish.

    I think they are both battles worth fighting, but you are correct in that replacing one of the more conservative members of the court should be fought with more zeal at this point. I can only hope that Thomas, Scalia, Roberts and Alito can hold out until Obama is out of the WH.

  70. #70
    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:53 pm, Azygos said:

    Folks, don’t believe any numbers associated with job loss or unemployment. Back in the 80′s when the economy was in the toilet Reagan redefined those who are employed as anyone who worked 2 hours or more a week. Later under Clinton I think those who are considered employed were defined as anyone who works 1 hour or more a week. The numbers are meaningless.

    The government traditionally has not used those filing for unemployment benefits to figure out how many are unemployed. The individual states call a sample of households (maybe 300 people) on the phone and ask them if they are employed. Thus they derive unemployment numbers. Its a scam covered up by both liberals and conservatives.

  71. #71
    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:53 pm, greydude said:

    even Kennedy is better than anyone Odumbo would nominate

  72. #72
    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:57 pm, graysonret said:

    The MSM, Obama, and congress are praising the fact that a Latino is now Supreme Court justice. Anyone remember Miguel Angel Estrada Castañeda?

  73. #73
    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:58 pm, tre said:

    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:19 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:
    The wife and I just got back from a nice motorcycle ride over to a LondonDerry Flea market. I picked up a most awesome Monty Python “Black Knight” T-shirt for the paltry sum of $3! Wicked Pissah!

    What kind of bike is it? I own a 2006 Harley-Davidson Sportster 883, and it’s a blast to ride. I’ve cruised Route 66 over most of Oklahoma and all of the 13 miles of it in Kansas.
    Someday, I want to put some saddle bags on it, and cruise all of the Mother Road with my wife.

  74. #74
    On August 8th, 2009 at 5:00 pm, happyscrapper said:

    I can only hope that Thomas, Scalia, Roberts and Alito can hold out until Obama is out of the WH.

    Yes, and I hope they have good bodyguards at all times. Unfortunate accidents seem to happen when libs are in power.

  75. #75
    On August 8th, 2009 at 5:03 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Michelle Malkin, December 5, 2008:

    There may be a seed of a legitimate constitutional issue to explore here (how is the citizenship requirement enforced for presidential candidates, anyway?)

    It’s not just a “citizenship” requirement, which is sufficient to be a Senator, it’s a “natural born citizenship” requirement, which is necessary to be President.

    Thursday, August 6, 2009

    Why the “Natural Born Citizen” Clause of Our Constitution Is Important and Worth Preserving

    Why the “Natural Born Citizen” Clause of Our Constitution Is Important and Worth Preserving

    by: Mario Apuzzo, Esq.

    Article II, Sec. 1, cl. 5 of the Constitution provides in pertinent part: “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President. . .” In this clause and in Articles I, III, and IV, the Founding Fathers distinguished between “Citizen” and “natural born Citizen.” Per the Founders, while Senators and Representatives can be just “citizens,” the President must be a “natural born Citizen.” Through this clause, the Founders sought to guarantee that the ideals for which they fought would be faithfully preserved for future generations of Americans. The Founders wanted to assure that the Office of President and Commander in Chief of the Military, a non-collegial and unique and powerful civil and military position, was free of all foreign influence and that its holder has sole and absolute allegiance, loyalty, and attachment to the U.S. The “natural born Citizen” clause was the best way for them to assure this.

    That the “natural born Citizen” clause is based on undivided allegiance and loyalty can be seen from how the Founders distinguished between “citizen” and “natural born Citizen.” This distinction is based on the law of nations which became part of our national common law. According to that law as explained by E. Vattel in, _The Law of Nations_ (1758), Vol.1, Section 212, Des Citoyens et Naturels, a “citizen” is a member of the civil society. To become a “citizen” is to enter into society as a member thereof. On the other hand, Vattel wrote that a native or indigenes (written in French as /les naturels/ or /indigenes/) or “natural born Citizen” as the term later became translated from French into English, is a child born in the country of two citizen parents who have already entered into and become members of the society. Vattel also tells us that it is the “natural born Citizen” who will best preserve and perpetuate the society. This definition of the two distinct terms has been adopted by many United States Supreme Court decisions. (The Venus, 12 U.S. 253 (1814) and Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874) to cite just two.) With the presidential qualification question never being involved, neither the 14th Amendment (which covers only “citizens” who are permitted to gain membership in and enter American society by either birth on U.S. soil or by naturalization and being subject to the jurisdiction of the United States), nor Congressional Acts (8 U.S.C. Sec. 1401), nor any case law (e.g. U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)) has ever changed the original common law definition of a “natural born Citizen.” This amendment and laws have all dealt with the sole question of whether a particular person was going to be allowed to enter into and be a member of American society and thereby be declared a “citizen.” The 14th Amendment did not involve Article II, let alone define what a “natural born Citizen” is. Never having been changed, the original constitutional meaning of a “natural born Citizen” prevails today. We can also see from these definitions that a “citizen” could have more than one allegiance and loyalty (acquiring allegiance from one’s foreign parents or from foreign soil) but a “natural born Citizen” can have only one and that is to America (soil and parents are all united in one nation).

    The original definition of “natural born Citizen” gives our Constitutional Republic the best chance of having a President and Commander in Chief of the Military who has sole and absolute allegiance, loyalty, and attachment to the United States. By satisfying all conditions of this definition, all other avenues of acquiring other foreign citizenships and allegiances (jus soli or by the soil and jus sanguinis or by descent) are cut off. Having all other means of acquiring other foreign citizenships or allegiances cut off is unity of citizenship which is what the President must have at the time of birth. Additionally, by requiring the child’s parents to be U.S. citizens best assures that those parents most likely will have absorbed American customs and values which, in turn, they will transmit to their child.

    The “natural born Citizen” clause serves a critical purpose today and must be enforced in every Presidential election. The President has immense power, both civil and military. The clause assures the American people that their President does not have any conflicting allegiances or loyalties. In our nuclear world, it will avoid having a President who may hesitate to act quickly and decisively in a moment of crisis due to some internal psychological conflict of allegiance or loyalty. It will avoid any foreign nation expecting and pressuring the President to act in their best interest instead of that of America. The clause gives the American people the best chance that they will not be attacked from within through the Office of President. Knowing the President is a “natural born Citizen,” the American people will trust their President with their lives. Finally, such a President can expect that the military will give him or her full trust and obedience.

    When President Obama was born in 1961, under the British Nationality Act 1948, both his father and he were British subjects/citizens. In 1963, they both became Kenyan citizens. In fact, Mr. Obama’s father was never even a legal resident or immigrant of America. Hence, regardless of where Mr. Obama was born or that he may be a United States citizen under the 14th Amendment, he is not an Article II “natural born Citizen” and not eligible to be President. This ineligibility has absolutely nothing to do with his race or class but all to do with his being born with multiple citizenships and allegiances and not satisfying the strict eligibility requirements of Article II. If someone believes that today the “natural born Citizen” clause no longer serves any useful purpose, then the proper way to change or abandon it is by way of constitutional amendment under Article V of the Constitution, not by usurpation.

    Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
    185 Gatzmer Avenue
    Jamesburg NJ 08831
    Tel: 732-521-1900
    Fax: 732-521-3906
    Email: apuzzo [AT] erols.com
    Blog: http://puzo1.blogspot.com/

  76. #76
    On August 8th, 2009 at 5:18 pm, reshas1 said:
  77. #77
    On August 8th, 2009 at 5:23 pm, fluffy said:

    Earlier today I was outside the Town Hall meeting in the Mass 5th district. I was only 20 minutes early, so I was too late to get inside. People coming out thought the questioners were plants, not even asking questions, just yacking. Congresswoman Tsongas was described as ‘filibustering’. The mob was quite ruly outside.

    Got several compliments on my home-made ‘Brooks Bros’ T shirt. Even got photographed.

  78. #78
    On August 8th, 2009 at 5:33 pm, fred5676 said:
  79. #79
    On August 8th, 2009 at 5:37 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On August 8th, 2009 at 5:03 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    TMI. Sorry, RedPill, but I have a feeling people are starting to skip over your posts. I know I am. You have done amazing, detailed research. Unfortunately, you are throwing everything but the kitchen sink at us in many many of the threads. It is overkill. I just hate to see you become annoying. Just my opinion. I repect you for the diligence you show regarding this subject, and maybe some day it will pay off. Right now we have other things more important and your posts are fodder for the left to ridicule us. I wish you could see that.

  80. #80
    On August 8th, 2009 at 5:51 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Sorry but I skip them too.

  81. #81
    On August 8th, 2009 at 5:54 pm, beenthere said:

    On August 8th, 2009 at 3:40 pm, teachem2 said:
    beenthere,
    Out of curiosity, what is the approximate age of your doctor? I suspect you are right that he doesn’t get out enough. I also suspect that he doesn’t deal much with the business side of his practice, otherwise he wouldn’t be all for everyone being on a Medicare type program.

    Sorry I did not respond earlier. I had to rush out and do an errand. Thanks to everyone for their comments. As for the age of my doctor, I believe he is in his mid-fifties. In the the past he has complained about insurance companies to me, but I had not known him to be so angry about them. Probably best for me not to inquire further. :>)

  82. #82
    On August 8th, 2009 at 6:02 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    happyscrapper,
    I appreciate your kind words and good intentions.

    Right now we have other things more important

    I don’t think anything in the political realm is more important than supporting and defending the Constitution, removing this ineligible usurper from office, and undoing everything that has been done with his signature since January 20th.

    and your posts are fodder for the left to ridicule us. I wish you could see that.

    I see that many life-long Democrats are on the same side of this issue as I am. And I have never let ridicule silence me. Those who can’t handle the truth try to silence those who speak it.

    For those who do care, I have written a rebuttal to each of Michelle Malkin’s “anti-birther” points here.

  83. #83
    On August 8th, 2009 at 6:03 pm, fred5676 said:

    ST. LOUIS A protest held by the “Tea Party” coalition today outside the offices of the Service Employees Union International drew about 200 people, but did not devolve into physical clashes

    Hmmmm.. It’s Saturday. Time and a half was too much to pay the goons today. Wait ’til Monday.

  84. #84
    On August 8th, 2009 at 6:19 pm, glockomatic said:

    I’m in Japan right now on business, and the more I read the U.S. news, I’m thinking about just staying here.

  85. #85
    On August 8th, 2009 at 6:21 pm, fred5676 said:
  86. #86
    On August 8th, 2009 at 6:27 pm, love2rumba said:

    Many of the folks in health care support a full blown medicare like payment program where all folks have coverage and can see the doctor regardless of cost. Those folks imagine that in such a world everyone would have the best wellness, etc., possible.

    This is why health care professionals should leave economics to economists, just as I should leave medical advice to the appropriate health care professionals.

    People who think like the above blockquote have no idea what they are talking about JS, and are by definition selectively ignorant.

  87. #87
    On August 8th, 2009 at 6:28 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    redpill….

    You just don’t seem to get it. Sorry but you don’t. You can be right as rain dude. You have beaten the thing to death and in doing so whether you are “right” or “wrong” has become irrelevant.

    In response to being told you have gone over board, you just go over board again. I’m thinking you need a 12 Step Program for “birthers”.

    “Hi, I’m red pill and I admit I am powerless over Obama’s birth certificate and my posting has become unmanageable.”

    And we all say, “Hi, red…”

  88. #88
    On August 8th, 2009 at 6:29 pm, 24Klady said:

    Red Pill
    This has been a long year, for only having been 6 actual months. But, I’m not seeing any progress on the issue and hope that one day you will be able able to claim credit for breaking the story. However, out of kindness to our hostess – you remember, the one that pays the bills, a glorified ‘rebuttal’ to her thoughts is not in the best of taste – albeit, she can more than take care of herself. However, start your own site and write away. Perhaps someday you’ll have a #1 bestseller too!

  89. #89
    On August 8th, 2009 at 6:31 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “…are by definition selectively ignorant.”

    Actually there are mostly very well intentioned people who honestly want the best for folks. They seem to have a disconnect with how to reach that goal however.

    The best way to reach the admirable goal of the most people as possible having adequate resources to provide for their health care is for people to be employed and keep as much of their earnings for themselves.

    You know, conservativism!

  90. #90
    On August 8th, 2009 at 6:35 pm, Micheleeroo said:

    Congratulations, Michelle! And to see that Levin’s and Dick Morris’s books are right behind yours is amazing.

  91. #91
    On August 8th, 2009 at 6:36 pm, 24Klady said:

    S/B – 8 months, not 6. Nails too long, like a dragon lady. Need to do nails! ;)

  92. #92
    On August 8th, 2009 at 6:46 pm, swede said:

    Micheleeroo said:
    Congratulations, Michelle! And to see that Levin’s and Dick Morris’s books are right behind yours is amazing.

    A rather puzzling trend since according to Olberman et al, we conservatives don’t read. We must be buying books to burn or something.

  93. #93
    On August 8th, 2009 at 7:16 pm, John Deaux said:

    On August 8th, 2009 at 6:46 pm, swede said:
    A rather puzzling trend since according to Olberman et al, we conservatives don’t read. We must be buying books to burn or something.

    ILMC’s entire world view will be turned around if she ever finds that out.

  94. #94
    On August 8th, 2009 at 7:32 pm, Dave Turson said:

    Andrew McCarthy of National Review Online still wants Obama to release his birth certificate.

  95. #95
    On August 8th, 2009 at 8:00 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:58 pm, tre said:
    On August 8th, 2009 at 4:19 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:
    The wife and I just got back from a nice motorcycle ride over to a LondonDerry Flea market. I picked up a most awesome Monty Python “Black Knight” T-shirt for the paltry sum of $3! Wicked Pissah!
    What kind of bike is it? I own a 2006 Harley-Davidson Sportster 883, and it’s a blast to ride. I’ve cruised Route 66 over most of Oklahoma and all of the 13 miles of it in Kansas.
    Someday, I want to put some saddle bags on it, and cruise all of the Mother Road with my wife.

    Hi Tre, sorry for the late post, we went out on another ride to the beach and back, got caught in a lot of late traffic. I have a brand new leftover 2007 Yamaha Vstar 1300. Very smooth and well balanced. I like it a lot. This bike will do 120+ mph without even breathing hard. I too need bags and shield, but those will have to come much later as I blew all my money on getting the best bike for my dollar. I envy you and your route 66 ride, that must’ve been sweet.

  96. #96
    On August 8th, 2009 at 8:12 pm, teachem2 said:

    As much as I believe there is something to the birth certificate, at this point, there’s so much more that we actually can fight. No, make that for which we have to fight. We can’t be sidetracked.

    As for the long posts, I tend to skip most really long posts or, at the very best, skim them. I read so much within a day that it’s a learned behavior. I think that’s the point that RedPill is missing, even though I think his posts are well thought out and intelligent.

    Speaking of books, I’m in a dilemma. I’m a school librarian, so now teachers are asking me where the bios of Obama are located. Ummm, I haven’t found one that isn’t horrible inaccurate or biased. As a matter of fact, one I found a few days ago that a vendor had displayed had a section in there on Rev. Wright and it actually had the audacity (yes that was deliberate) to say that it was only “white” people that questioned his sermons and Obama’s associations. I shut the book quickly and put it down. I haven’t found one yet and I refuse to buy a book full of lies for kids to read.

  97. #97
    On August 8th, 2009 at 8:15 pm, BOB said:

    On August 8th, 2009 at 7:32 pm, Dave Turson said:
    Andrew McCarthy of National Review Online still wants Obama to release his birth certificate.

    Excellent article, full of facts. The saddest thing about this is that the left has succeded in shutting up the very real issue of “who is Barack Obama”.

    There are now many “conservatives” who tell their ostensibly like minded friends to be quiet about this issue, lest they make us all look bad.

    That fightens the heck out of me.

    Go here for a very interesting radio interview with someone who has done eight months of investigation…….if what he says is true this is anything but a dead issue:

    http://therothshow.com/

  98. #98
    On August 8th, 2009 at 8:15 pm, teachem2 said:

    beenthere,

    I had a feeling he was about that age or older. I hate to paint with a broad brush, so that’s why I asked. I don’t think I’d go any further with that subject either lol.

  99. #99
    On August 8th, 2009 at 8:23 pm, CyberCipher said:

    FYI: Here’s the official NYTimes best-seller list, WSJ list, and Publisher’s Weekly list. But, you know, we’re just “fringe!”

    I finished reading Culture of Corruption just yesterday. It was an impressive compilation of facts and data. That’s one of the things that I really like about Michelle’s writing style, viz. she always does a VERY thorough job of researching the subject matter. Congratulations (again).

    My collie says:

    Go Malkins, but please be very careful out there and take plenty of precautions. No doubt, you have made enemies with all of the information that you have now made “common knowledge”. If anything bad happened to you or your famiy, there would be a long list of suspects. I’m not trying to frighten you or anything — it’s just that we are rather fond of you and we NEED you on our team for a very LONG time, that’s all.

  100. #100
    On August 8th, 2009 at 8:24 pm, swede said:

    teachem2 said:
    As much as I believe there is something to the birth certificate, at this point, there’s so much more that we actually can fight. No, make that for which we have to fight. We can’t be sidetracked.

    Affirmative. The leftnuts are actually baiting birthers with fake documents, then ridiculing them when they bite.

    As you say, it’s a distraction from the real issues we should be focussed on, and should be enough to move the discourse to the right. But more, it’s giving the left wing fodder to portray conservatives as wackos, akin to truthers.

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