“Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American.”
Hooligans. Mobsters. Political terrorists. Brownshirts.
Now, Democrats are calling vocal opponents of Obamacare unpatriotic: “Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American.”
Hey, Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer, tell it to the dissent-stiflers at the SEIU.
I invoke Hillary Clinton from 2003:
HRC: “I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you’re not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration.”
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For once, Hillary got it right.
pelosi and her thug supporters are nazis.
The libera left cannot afford to grant conservatives the status of equals; they must be attacked, and dismissed, as evil. Attempting to have an honest discussion with such people is useless, As soon as they’re cornered, they resort to name calling.
The Dems are complete hypocrits. So the Dems believe shutting down debate is un-American? They freakin’ invented it!
I give you exhibit A…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wwuy8rX73Yc
Ahh…projection.
The mental “trick”
(I’m not a doctor, don’t even play one on TV, to be able to call it an “illness”)
without which Leftists would be patently unable to ply their totalitarian tactics.
If there’s an honest discussion and debate about the health care bill, it will be defeated. That’s why the Democrats don’t want a honest debate. Name calling is easier.
Or to pull a Bill Clinton….It depends on what their deifinition of America is.
I know that Speaker Pelocchio uses Botox to keep a straight face while accusing average Americans of being as crooked as the Left is, but how does Hoyer do it? Do they share a doctor?
Dammit, Jim, I’m a patriot, not a hooligan!
More projection from the left. What hypocrites!
I know. I know. It’s a waste of time referring to them in any manner that would say shame on them because the libs don’t have any concept of what shame is.
They can’t win elections without lies and trickery, why would anybody think they would allow dissent once they got in?
So, let me get this straight…
The President of the United States, along with the controllling party of both houses of Congress, and the vast majority of the mainstream media, are not able to make themselves heard?
How’d ya figure?
I think their problem is that they are not the only ones who can be heard…
Will pathological cases of projection be covered under Obamacare™?
Astounding. I’m more convinced than ever they are on drugs. I’ll let you decide which drugs they may be.
the main issue with liberals is that they are losing the health care arguement, so the only option is to resort to name calling. as for being unpatriotic, unamerican and cowardly, liberals are defined by all three.
I think Teddy Roosevelt said it best.
Public dissent with politicians when we dissagree with their policies is more than just a right, it is a responsibility.
“Drowning out opposing views is why we failed at this task for decades.”
That’s good info. Thanks, Nance. I’m off to get fresh batteries for my bullhorn now.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2009/08/unamerican-attacks-cant-derail-health-care-debate-.html
And what do they call what they did for the last 8 years under Pres. Bush?? This is UNREAL!!!
“To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.” Abraham Lincoln
Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear. Harry S Truman message to Congress, August 8, 1950
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reshas1 on August 10, 2009 at 9:37 AM
Really? This and all the talk about ‘Nazis’ harks back to the standard line those wonderful students of the 60′s used when confronted with ideas, opinions that dared to differ from their own.
She is such a carbuncle…
Boo Freakin’ Hoo! The shoe’s on the other foot now and they can’t stand being opposed.
On August 10th, 2009 at 9:50 am, Doug Powers said:
Excellent point – handing the opposition the blueprints for one’s own defeat, is not exactly a sensible strategy for victory!
The obvious answer is that’s its really only unpatriotic to disagree with the liberal agenda (which is anything but patriotic), the rest is just pure hypocrisy.
And since when has patriotism meant anything to Pelosi or any of the liberal leadership?
This is what happens when Americans allow inmates to run the asylum.
/liberal mode on
You dumb teabagging inbreed redneck low grade morons just don’t get it. Civil debate is required you mother humping moronic corporate paid toadies!!!
liberal mode off/
And real american care to respond to that?? My response is go to hell.
HRC:
A quote just fashioned for Tea Party posters, bumper-stickers and T-shirts if ever one existed -
We have been previously labeled an “angry mob” and now we are called “un-American”. I have said it before and will say it again, we will soon be targeted as “domestic terrorists” for standing on our constitutional rights to assemble and petition.
Remember, Obama came to rule, not to serve.
but beating up people and visiting senior citizens in the middle of the night to harass them is?
The Dems have been on this healthcare reform kick for quite a while. Remember when Hillary-care was shot down? I think they are going to keep coming at us from different angles until they find a hole big enough to squirm through. They use scare tactics and name calling to make their points because they know if they told the truth (as Rush has pointed out) no one would support them.
Rush also points out that this is not about healthcare, it’s about them taking over something that gives them unlimited power. We need to stop the take over of our private medical records and not allow any of that information to go into a database owned by politicians.
Why would the Dems alienate a huge segment of Americans. They are going to push some to violence.
oh yeah did you see Bela Pelosi’s picture on drudge??? the botox is wearing off!!!
talk about making a grown man die of fright….
Also known as “Stop overwhelming us with the facts, which we cannot continue to obfuscate!”
The screechier, she is baaaaack.
Fundamental difference here. Lefties shout continuously during conservatives talks, not even listening. Conservatives at these town hall meetings are reacting in outrage to what the reps are saying. They are listening.
M’eh.
Broken clock and like that (as Kojak used to say).
Thank you Hillery for that sound bite. I’m going to download it and play it back into every microphone or bullhorn I am fortunate enough to find myself behind.
This is getting boring. Villians and victims, only one playbook.
Democrats have no intention of discussing healthcare, because it is such a steaming pile of dung no one wants.
So villify those objecting to it and make that the discussion topic all month. Then go home, use thuggery and bribery on the Blue Dogs and …..
Let them know when they pass it their jobs are forefeit. The only way we can win is make them more afraid of the upcoming election than the Queen Bee and Rahmbo.
To a small degree, they are right. We need to fight with facts, not chants. Let them speak. Ask the questions. Demand the answers. But they have the same freedom of speach we do and should be allowed to express their ideas. To shout them down and disrupt the meetings makes us into them.
I do not want to be like them.
For too long, our elected officials have not had to deal with justifying their votes on legislation. They have evaded accountability for too long. They have no skills except spin. The American public wants accountability and Congress has no answers. They have shown that their loyalty is to their self interest first, party second and pandering to their base last. The best interest of the public and country is completely left out of their thoughts. They can’t explain their way out of the mess they have created. They continue to speak “in theory” instead of stating “facts”.
Agreed, to a large degree. Discourse requires at least as much listening as speaking. Drowning out ther opposition with chants and slogans is a Code Pink tactic. We should be above that.
OK, “wrcnossen”,
As you do not wish to “be like them”, please go right ahead, and “demand answers” to your factual questions.
Just be sure to call us from the hospital after SEIU applies their “free speech” on you.
Seems to me that Pelosi is quickly becoming the Queen of Accusation.
First she claims the CIA is lying to Congress without any proof.
Then she claims that the outrage is manufactured paid for by K-street lobbyists. Again without any proof(yet there is plenty of proof of the left paying people to show up).
And now she claims that this is being un-patriotic….
I can’t wait for what she will say next.
For a very long time in America, the left has gotten away with anarchist theater in the form of dissent. The media has fully supported this leftist dissent on every occasion. I remember an impeach Clinton rally attended by thousands of people, yet down the street the press hovered around 10 pro-Clinton demonstrators.
I have heard the argument that we should be more civil. But I have written numerous unanswered letters, sent e-mails by the score, called to talk to my absent Congressmen and Senators. Well, if I can’t get to them in a civil manner, then I will do exactly the same kind of thing that the left does.
Let’s face it, the media only reacts to the sensational. The 24 hour news cycle generally focuses on the cult of personality or easily covered accident and seldom addresses anything of substance – that is why Beck is so refreshing.
Our country was born because a bunch of men were willing to risk it all for freedom. Every generation has that challenge and our freedom is being taken away by an arrogant and imperious government. It is time for the politicians to serve us – it would be refreshing for a change.
Not sure if you saw this, but Dr. Keyes posted it on his Facebook page.
Oddly enough it’s not his usual BS about the birthers and everything – it’s actually an article about how the RNs (registered nurses) of various RN unions are basically telling SEIU to knock their sh*t off – what with various RN union leaders being harassed at their homes and such by purple-shirted mobs from the SEIU.
You beat me to it.
I was just going to add, metaphorically, that one has no chance of success if brings only words to a knife fight.
…if one brings only….
Apologies.
Next I suppose Queen Nancy will attempt to assert a parallel such as that the students who were slaughtered at Tiananmen Square in 1989 were un-Red Chinese and had it coming.
I see a lot of veterans at these townhall meetings. Like my father, he served in WWII and he served in all branches of the military. How dare they call men and women like him un-American or Nazi’s.
There are also veterans from the Korean War and Vietnam. I’m waiting to hear the word “communist” next to describe the protesters.
The demagoguery of the President and his administration is offensive and I’m glad that people are finally waking-up to it.
As to Mz. Disgraceful and her minions, keep up the good work. The RNC hasn’t been able to bring the party together, but you sure have.
Kinda reminds me of WKRP…
The suits versus the dungarees…
no politician seeks to alienate constituents, but our dems have ASSUMED that they can please enough constituents with taxpayer money to keep winning reelection. they ASSUME that gubmint paid medical care will win many young non taxpaying folks, and older non taxpaying folks, and illegal immigrants who will be amnestied into citizens next year to maintain their party in control. since taxpayers now make up an ever shrinking number of citizens in the u.s. as we have shifted the tax burden to higher income (30k) and above people and corporations, the hugo chavez supporters of america think this is a time to radically change for ever the make up of the american landscape. a member of british parliament was on tv the other day, and said that in 65 years since british health care went national, that system is the third largest employer in the world, behind the chinese red army and the indian national railway system. THAT IS WHAT THE LEFT WANTS, A BEAUROCRACY (VOTING BLOCK) WHICH WILL FOREVER KEEP THEM IN POWER.
granite and lockstein13
If you want to just be another version of code pink, you will be considered just as much a fool. No brains, no values, just loud, rude voices. Your opinions will be lost and ignored and your efforts will just bring the contempt of the very people you want on your side. You and your tactics will be the issue instead of the health care bill.
It’s very common in warfare to dehumanize one’s enemies. We’re in a war, folks. The other side is shooting at us and we’re starting to realize it. Every day, more American sons and daughters of Liberty are waking up to this. The nation is polarizing. It’s getting harder by the day to stay out of the fight.
wrcnossen said:
The problem with your tack is, they are in a naked power grab using issues they cannot define. In other words, they have not read the bill they are trying to foist on us. You can bring lemonaide, cookies and be as friendly as you want, they do not list, will not listen and take us all for fools.
Heck, they don’t want any debate at all. That’s why they tried to ram their bill through congress with no time for anyone to even see what they were proposing.
And now their complaint is that conservatives are stifling debate???
Hey Hey, One, Two, Three!
Gosh, I strongly disagree!
Sorry, but I am an American. I have no intention whatever of going into the long night as a well-mannered corpse. Our natural masters are trying to force health care based on the politics of race upon us. I sure hope people grasp how really, really serious that is.
I. Do. Not. Care. What. Code. Pink. Does.
It is irrelevant. (Interesting that Jonah Goldberg over at NRO is using the same smear). This is about our lives, our freedoms. We will not win this by going hat in hand with bowed head to our lords mumbling “Oh please, massa, please don’t do this.”
They are using force, lies, and intimidation.
We are doing nothing remotely comparable.
We are giving them all the civility they deserve and more.
To hell with them.
Do we want to win or not? Do we want to live or not?
Exactly!!!
Very different very polite demonstrations were held held Friday and Saturday in Raleigh, NC. 600 folks Friday and 1000 on Saturday.
Did you see it on CBS/NBC/ABC/CNN/FOX???????????
Actually, we have been less noisy than reported. The media only gives coverage when there is such a ruckus that it cannot be ignored.
Like somebody actually believes that the congress critters want to come home and gather “nuanced” ideas from the pubic???
Be polite and invisible and by October 15 we will have full-blown ObamaCare.
Disagree, debate, protest — OK.
Disrupt, shut down — not OK.
How dare you suggest that people going to these townhall meetings are just another version of Code Pink or that they don’t have “no brains, no values, just loud, rude voices”!
These are individuals exercising their free speech and the right to dissent. Did it ever occur to you that some of these people have been calling their representative offices and no one replies? Or they send letters or emails and they are ignored? No, you just go ahead and assume that they all decided to just go and yell at these events. Instead, you are seeing people who are frustrated at being ignored.
FYI, the opinions of these people are not being lost or ignored any longer. They’re making news every day because it’s too big for the media to ignore this time.
You call it “tactics.” Far from it. It’s called passion and caring for the future of this nation.
You claim to care about this issue, however, your choice of words is very curious.
When it becomes clear that the politician is not interested in listening to his constituents but instead just sticking to the talking points of his immutable position, the point of a town hall has become moot. The opponents of Obamacare haven’t “shut down” the town hall. It was shut down before it even begin when the elected representative decided he wasn’t going to change his mind.
Afraid of acting like Code Pink? Take a look around, they are succeeding. They have all branches of government in their pocket and both political parties, though they hold the minority position. That is what being civil has brought us.
We are fighting the radicals that took over campuses in the 60s. They do not care what you have to say and they will not listen. That is why we have to fight the same battles over and over again.
We had better get serious or we will meekly walk into captivity.
I will not force myself to listen to that woman’s rant one more time. Sorry. I get the point. Don’t we all? The radicals in control of our government are hypocritical thugs.
Leftist jerks ridicule black man hospitalized by union thugs.
While I understand your point, you have to consider the tactics of a liberal activist in your thinking. The left will employ the tactics you do not like. And they also hope that the right will “take the high road” because by doing so that will allow the left to exploit that civil debate. Or in other words, “take advantage of our civility”.
So, what to do?
Answer: Don’t play nice. Be vocal. This isn’t drowning out the left. It’s taking every opportunity to be heard. If they can’t get a word in… too bad. Live by the sword… die by the sword.
What lgm really meant:
Democracy is not sitting quietly with your hands folded while politicians lie to you.
I do not care either what Code Pink does, but I do not want to be like them in shutting down dialog with chants and slogans. My point is merely this. Let the opposition speak, then when it is our turn, speak reasonably and passionately. Most of the dabates, including the one I attended have been civil and orderly, and the Obamacare congresscritters crumble under the weight of their own irrational and absurd arguements. That’s where we need to be. People are listening and making up their own minds.
SEIU et al and their thugs are another issue. People are seeing the attempt to silence dissent and are making up their minds about that as well.
Opponents of ObamaCare are not shutting down anything. We are not disrupting anything. We are making sure we are heard because if left up to the Left.. we would not be heard. Ever.
I find it hilarious that the left is so SHOCKED that they have to listen to this opposition. But given the Dems desire to enact the Fairness Doctrine, this desire to shut down dissent shouldn’t be surprising. How DARE we object and speak out minds…. how dare we….
Eat it Mrs. Pelosi
Again, true for the most part, but with some notable exceptions…and guess which events the MSM will focus on. Just saying we need to be sure to stay on the high road.
I posted on another column here last week. Said I was going to go to a Town Hall in Dallas and support ObamaCare (at least some parts of it). Asked if I needed to buy and bring a gun for protection in case people on the other side of the issue were going to assault me.
I didn’t get any assurances that I wouldn’t be beat up.
I am truly concerned that some ObamaCare opponents would beat me up if I have a different opinion and dare to express it.
The Democrats aren’t paying attention to what Hillary said…. you un-American!! I’m reporting this to flag@whitehouse.gov.
Whichever party is in charge, you have a constitutional right to dissent. Will someone please show the US Constitution to the Dems?
jim m said:
Name one instance where Obamascare opponents beat up or assaulted anyone on the agreement/support side of this sham.
jim – To my kknowledge the only violence has been perpetrated by SEIU and Obamacare proponents. Please inform us of any instance where dissenters initiated violence. I would like to know. Thanks.
As I have requested before, link to your dismay of the actions of Code Pink, college liberals etc., in disrupting and shutting down conservative speakers.
The actions of Congress, i.e. coming to these meetings unprepared (by reading and understanding the bills) and holding one on one or invitation only “townhall” meetings are the ones disrupting or shutting down debate.
Ramming a bill through Congress (or trying quite hard to do so) without reading it, much less debating it, is shutting down the conversation.
Obama’s lie of transparency is shutting down the debate.
Obama’s union shock troops being bussed to townhall meetings is disrupting and shutting down debate.
The media refusing to do their jobs by reading and presenting this bill and others on their daily shows, telling everyone what is in there in common language is shutting down the debate.
Did you assure your wife that you wouldn’t beat her?
Guns will not be allowed by a post Obamacare government.
Bingo!
If Hope-a-Dope, Nancy-n-Harry had had their way, these town hall meetings would be manifestations of what James Carville said when he thought that John Kerry was going to win the 2004 election:
“It’s all over but the shouting.”
The donks’ definition of a “debate” is, “We’ll do what we want and then call you Nazis, Fascists, cranks and crybabies when you complain after the fact.” It arises directly from their two-faced notion of what “loyal opposition” means: it only applies to Republicans, because they never consider any government they don’t control to be legitimate.
As for the folks who are venting their spleen at donk representatives whose plan to present them with a tyrannical fait accompli only narrowly failed, I say more power to them. You don’t greet home invaders with cookies and a glass of milk.
“The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.”
- Arthur “Bomber” Harris, on how to relate to donks
Gee, Al-Pie-Da never disrupted anything. Neither did the Code Pinkos during congressional hearings. Neither did that idot left-bot with mock-blood on her hands approaching Condi Rice.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot, you lefties don’t like the fit?
Too bad.
Please look at this:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/anti-health-care-reform-protester-encourages-physical-violence-use-of-firearms.php.
jim m, if you’re afraid, stay home. Problem solved.
We are not Nazis.
(If we ever decided to burn the Reichstag, we’d do it with the criters inside.)
I have a right to express my opinion. I will do so, TigerLady. The only question is if I need to bring a gun to protect myself.
From that link, it looks like I would need to.
You’ve got the wrong site. Try http://www.dailykos.com/
jim m said:
Considering the site this leads too – I suggest you stay home also. I know you just want to express your opinion also but, if you are so afraid and worried how bout expressing those fears to SEIU and ACORN.
Yes Jim M, you have a right to express your opinion but as I suggested, if you’re afraid stay home. There is no proof that the people who are against Obamacare are carrying and using guns. Your fear is unfounded and insulting to those of us who are protesting our freedom.
And, if you are afraid, what is stopping you from just bringing a gun? Maybe the irrational belief behind your fear? Just saying.
So quit whining and carry a gun. What do you want from us?
Wow. You don’t mind at all calling it Obamacare! How telling. Liberty loving people take care of themselves and ask for help when needed. They don’t look to a sugar daddy to provide all their needs, especially when the s-daddy gets the help money from responsible citizens and throws it at victimites who don’t contribute anything. Please, by all means, don’t go to the meeting.
Another TPM linker? You’re stealing lgm’s gig.
B cat beat me to it.
Jim m, caryy all you want too.
Everyone else: If jim m’s choice in firearms is the same as his choice in politics, he’ll probably be carrying a pink, inoperative Daisy 882. We shouldn’t worry.
Your link is to a lefty blog, and the link there to the alleged threat does not exist.
The event described was in Missouri, where the SEIU thugs assaulted anti Obamacare protesters. All arrests were SEIU and pro healthcare people.
Again, please inform us of ANY credible instance of violence by healthcare dissenters. Just one.
In 2006, Nancy Pelosi thought protests were respectable and patriotic.
Here is the issue in a nut shell jim m :
“Yet, what matters more than their past statements or current rhetoric is the likely effect of their legislation. According to independent sources, the health-care bills under consideration will dramatically increase the deficit, take away patient choice, and set the stage for a total government takeover of health care — the single-payer model many Democrats have long dreamed of. As the head of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, Douglas Elmendorf, recently said, the bills moving through Congress did not contain “the sort of fundamental changes that would be necessary to reduce the trajectory of federal health spending by a significant amount. And on the contrary, the legislation significantly expands the federal responsibility for health-care costs.” Meanwhile, the independent Lewin Group estimates that 114 million Americans will be forced to give up their current health-care plans as the government-run plan puts everyone else out of business.”
Socky, thanks for the link. I could see that one coming.
With all of the projection that the left does, (they accuse the right of the very things of which they themselves are guilty), I’m seriously concerned about the integrity of our elections.
The left accused Bush of “stealing” the 2000 and 2004 elections. I believe the exact opposite is true…the left has been trying to steal elections, and finally succeeded in 2006 and 2008.
What are we doing RIGHT NOW to ensure that the 2010 elections will be honest elections?
What are we doing to stop ACORN?
What are we doing to ensure that stolen “smart cards” aren’t hacked and used to stuff the “electronic ballot box”?
We all know that the President, Senators, and Representatives aren’t listening to us now. Many of us look forward to removing many of them from office in January 2011. But that won’t happen if they are allowed to steal the 2010 elections.
We can’t wait util a few months before the elections to ensure that they are honest. We must start now.
ITookTheRedPill – Agreed. If you want to know what the left is up to, look at what they are accusing us of. Stealing elections, stiffling dissent, astroturfing…yada, yada.
I think you’ve touched on the issue that could spark something really big happening in this country. Once it settles in that Liberty loving Conservatives have had their country hijacked by Socialists – and with no legal way of getting it back due to voter fraud – all bets are off. We could be then looking at a serious secessionist movement or worse – civil war. Let’s pray – and work – that we would not let it get to that point.
The link was to a right-wing blogger who is advocating violence. Please read it again.
I love Rush but I cringe every time he says, “The word ‘Nazi’ is derived from the German word for National Socialism.”
This is such an inept sentence that it makes Rush sound like he is reading off a cue sheet and has no idea of what he is talking about. Not that he doesn’t have the general idea; but he clearly does not know enough about it to be talking about it on the radio.
“The chances of a bomb being on an airplane are 1 million to one. The chances of 2 bombs being on an airplane are 1 million times 1 million to one.
So, the next time you travel public airways, decrease the chances of a bomb being on your plane. Take your own bomb.” — Benny Hill
jim m, if you really are frightened, carry. You’ll probably be the only one there who will. B-cat already told you to quit whining and carry.
Sounds to me like you’re actually using this blogger you pointed out to create a rucus, i.e. you’re not really scared but are actually trying to make it sound as though all on the right are packing heat and spoiling for a fight.