Rep. Tsongas tries to explain why Congress is exempt from Obamacare. Fails.
Herein lies the ultimate Achilles’ Heel of Obamacare. Watch as Democrat Rep. Niki Tsongas of Massachussetts attempts to explain why Congress is exempt from the government health care takeover mandates. The exchange starts at 4:00:
Transcript:
CONSTITUENT: My question to you, Congresswoman Tsongas, is that if this is such a great plan, why did you opt out of it when you took the vote [loud applause, standing ovation]?
TSONGAS: People often say why don’t the American people have what those of us in Congress have. [Audience erupts] Let me explain what I have. Let me explain what I have. What I have is a tremendous array — you know, last year when I went to a discussion — what I have is a tremendous array of choices. And I made a choice based on what I was willing to pay for and what made sense in terms of coverage for me and my family. [Audience shouts out: "We want choice! We want choice!] This is essentially what we are creating for the American people. We are creating greater choice.
[Smattering of applause overwhelmed by boos.]
Epic fail. The imperious “Do as I say, not as I do” ways of Washington cannot be packaged as choice-enhancing, no matter how hard Rep. Tsongas tries. Refresher from 5 key freedoms you’ll lose under Obamacare:
In short, the Obama platform would mandate extremely full, expensive, and highly subsidized coverage — including a lot of benefits people would never pay for with their own money — but deliver it through a highly restrictive, HMO-style plan that will determine what care and tests you can and can’t have. It’s a revolution, all right, but in the wrong direction.
More than 150,000 have signed GOP Rep. John Fleming’s petition telling Congress to live under the health care mandates it forces on the rest of the country.
If the Democrats can’t come up with a better answer than Tsongas (and they can’t), Obamacare is toast.
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That was helpful to be sure-elitism in all its inglory.
Is she related to paul? If so then she a epic fail.
Also michelle thank for the tweet.
There isn’t a lowlife Democrat (and more than a few Republicans)that are ever going to give a straight answer to that question which is why all of the bumbs need to be sent packing the next time they stand for election. We’ve got to take back the government from those people.
The major problem we face in riding Congress of these idiots are the koolaide drinkers, like the loudmouth liberal who was next in line. Where do these people get their “information? Who is this idiot talking about? I don’t remember anybody being elected or appointed leader of the “Tea Party Movement”!
Time for total recall;
No incumbants !
Vote every one of these people out.
Dem or rep – I don’t care-go home !!
If every congressman loses his re-election bid, the rest will take notice.
” THROW THE BUMS OUT !”
Convincer for me,they REALLY do think we are all that stupid.
This is the key question. This is the question that every senator and representative must answer.
QUESTION: My question to you, Congresswoman Tsongas, is that if this is such a great plan, why did you opt out of it when you took the vote?
ANSWER: All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. …
I see a GOP take-over in 2010, on just this one issue! There were 6 supporters of Obamacare in Austin yesterday, and 500 protesters against it! As you say, Michelle, Obamacare is toast!
There’s no denying that her father, Paul Tsongas (yes “that one”) was a hard-line Democrat, but he was a Democrat at a time when they were far less loonie than they are now.
I was his constituent, for awhile. I didn’t always agree with his vote, but he always struck me as an honorable person, unlike 80% of today’s congress (house and senate).
There’s no way of saying what he’d say in the same situation. I like to think that he’d be opposed to this travesty, but it’s hard to say.
One thing that’s easy to say, however: his daughter, Niki, COMPLETELY fails here. She looks like a fool, and for good reason…
Liberal whiner at the end: “People are dying under the current system. This is not OK. People can’t get to see a doctor. Blah, blah blah…”
Complete misrepresentation. Nobody is currently prevented from seeing a doctor. Coverage may be dropped but not a single person is told you may not deal directly with a doctor to receive a treatment. This moonbat seems to think people will stop dying under ObamaCare. Just wait until you can’t pay with your own money cash if you choose, and this will be part of the plan if not now then at some point in the future. Then we will truly see people die because they can’t see a doctor, and it won’t be just in the overactive liberal imagination.
off topic-got an e-mail from Barack this am;
All throughout August, our members of Congress are back in town. Insurance companies and partisan attack groups are stirring up fear with false rumors about the President’s plan, and it’s extremely important that folks like you speak up now.
So we’ve cooked up an easy, powerful way for you to make a big impression: Office Visits for Health Reform.
All this week, OFA members like you will be stopping by local congressional offices to show our support for insurance reform. You can have a quick conversation with the local staff, tell your personal story, or even just drop off a customized flyer and say that reform matters to you.
We’ll provide everything you need: the address, phone number, and open hours for the office, information about how the health care crisis affects your state for you to drop off (with the option of adding your personal story), and a step-by-step guide for your visit.
Click here to find your representatives’ local offices.
As you’ve probably seen in the news, special interest attack groups are stirring up partisan mobs with lies about health reform, and it’s getting ugly. Across the country, members of Congress who support reform are being shouted down, physically assaulted, hung in effigy, and receiving death threats. We can’t let extremists hijack this debate, or confuse Congress about where the people stand.
Office Visits for Health Reform are our chance to show that the vast majority of American voters know that the cost of inaction is too high to bear, and strongly support passing health reform in 2009.
Don’t worry if you’ve never done anything like this before. The congressional staff is there to listen, and your opinion as a constituent matters a lot. And if you bring a friend, you’ll have more fun and make an even greater impact.
Click here to sign up for an Office Visit for Health Reform.
Wherever you live, these visits matter: Many representatives are pushing hard toward reform, and they are taking a lot of heat from special interests. They deserve our thanks and need our support to continue the fight. But those who are still putting insurance companies and partisan point-scoring ahead of their constituents must know that voters are watching — and that we expect better.
Earlier this week, the President wrote that “this is the moment our movement was built for” and asked us all to commit to join at least one event this month. This is the way to answer that call, and rise to the challenge of this moment together.
Thank you for going the extra mile when it matters the most,
Mitch
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Who’s astro-turfing ?
Typical of communist elitists . . . nothing but scraps for the masses. This is sick.
Sanchez on Huckabee had a pretty lame reply to that too. What made it worse was theat she wass either having really bad earpiece problems or someone was feeding her the answers.
Great tactic for us to use on the CongressChickens who won’t expose themselves to a town hall.
Turn this on them. Flood their offices with people for an “office visit”. Make them feel how you feel.
I saw that this past weekend (twice). She’s Loretta Sanchez of California. She was absolutely awful. In fact, I made a point to watch it a second time, and I really thought she was worse than I first thought. Bloggers should get that clip and replay it ad nauseam as an illustration of precisely how clueless Obamacare supporters are on this issue.
Brian, I was going to try and come up with a sarcastic answer, but you kind of hit a home run with yours!
LOL
My favorite takeaways: My favorite near the end — I step over the dying people every day on the way to work.
Tell me what you want to hear and I will say that.
Tsongas, Congressional clunker, off the chart version, barely knows the sun is up.
From listening one thing I can conclude, she hasn’t read the bill, and probably couldn’t.
US Population: 306 million
UK Population: 61 million
Canada Population: 34 million
Canada and the UK have delays in services and come to the US to get their service.
How, exactly, are we going to pull off government run healthcare for 5x more people?
I can tell you. First, anyone over, say, 65 will be asked ever so kindly to die. Children under 16 are very resilient. They don’t need care. Any deformed or handicapped child will be thrown from the cliffs of the Potomac. Non-democrats will receive aspirin for everything and be sent home to die. Independents get aspirin too. Traditional democrats will receive care from ACORN members. That will leave hard-core progressives and members of Congress to be covered.
So, really you are only talking about a few thousand people that need to be covered. No problem.
I am not so certain of this, because the GOP really does not have any unifying message (like with the contract with America in the 90′s).
An Obamacare Congress Criter answer: By making our health care system like those of Britain and Canada we will reduce the amount of Brits and Canadians coming to the US for care….
Her answers are awful. But, at least she is holding a town hall and listening to her constituents unlike some in my state. These clips show both supporters and opponents and all are involved and none look like the thug SEIU at all. I have no problem with honest debate with liberals at places like this…it’s when they have to tip the scales and bring in the thugs that things get ugly. They just cannot tolerate being WRONG on an issue, can they?
Did anyone else notice Tsongas’ supporters directly left of her had homemade signs? Guess they are getting the message that professional signs don’t look exactly grassroots. Who learning from who?
Kind of says it all, eh, Ms. Tsongas?
For me, it isn’t about the citizenry having the same plan as Congress or that it will cost too much money. The problem is government controlling our health care. We had better be careful about how we complain about the health care issue.
The liberals will win if the good people opposed to the plan continue to act like unhinged maniacs at the townhalls.
They have to let whoever is speaking speak. Stop interrupting people. Disrupting at town halls just shows the public that we are indeed trying to squelch the other side’s point of view.
tsongas gave a typical liberal explanation, nonsensical but typical, that is they have no explanantion, just bs. problem for these hypocrits, is that they are now being called on the issues and have no real answers. the idiot clearly stated the bottom dwellers in congress have choices, completely forgetting they prefer the American people should have non.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2009/08/unamerican-attacks-cant-derail-health-care-debate-.html
And what do they call what they did for the last 8 years under Pres. Bush?? This is UNREAL!!!
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tsongas never did answer the question why congress exempted itself from the plan..and did anybody ask this libtard if she had actually read the bill? there was definitely some acorn/seiu plants so who is infiltrating these meetings? hmmm
things like this ought to be done by public referendum but never will since the elites would loose their control…
Typical pol: when facts and logic fail, sob story.
By the way, this is Paul Tsonga’s widow. Paul Tsonga’s father was our dry cleaner when I grew up. That was before I signed on to un-American patriotism. In his seminal book “The Closing of the American Mind”, Allan Bloom stated that all that is required to be an American is to reject your father. Apparently, in these days of post-partisan single party tyranny, all that is required to be “American” is to reject our constitutional freedoms.
If the other side were interested in an honest debate, I would agree. They are not! Anger, rage and putting a bit of fear into the politicians is what is needed now. This is a war for the soul of the country. The libs threw out “manners” a long time ago.
Just a point of correction:
I believe Niki Tsongas is Tsongas’s widow, not his daughter.
Another example of the ridiculous practice of having a spouse assume a deceased incumbent’s seat.
Exactly why is that done?
More importantly, why is it allowed?
This video shows why those town hall meetings are getting so “unruly.” They’re trying to sell the plan on the basis of lies and people are (rightly) angry about it.
We keep talking about how bad these politicians are, but the real question should be, why do we re-elect these clowns. I doubt very few of them will not be re-elected. I have been voting against the incumbents for years to no avail. Through this I have learned why election reform is impossible to get passed, it favors the incumbents.
I’m pretty sure that is already the case. Obama is no longer referring to it as health care reform but health insurance reform. Lowering the bar to salvage a claim of victory.
As we watch the many provisions that will be trimmed off to reduce costs, I expect that they will circle the wagons around providing health care for illegal aliens. THAT is what I believe is the point of all this, a back door amnesty.
congresswoman tsongas has that wide array of healthcare options BECAUSE she is a member of congress. we mere mortals not in the politburo are restricted to a few plans by a few carriers in our state. these carriers have an oligopoly on health insurance in their state, and as such can include or exclude whoever they want. if an included business gets too old, or too sick, they just raise the rates until they drop out, then the other insurers don’t have to accept them because of pre existing conditions.
if the politburo were truly interested in fixing the healthcare problem, they would allow states to have the wide array of options they have, they would ban exclusion for pre-existing conditions, and they would limit pain and suffering tort awards to 100k. this and a loser pays tort rule, and losing lawyer pays winning lawyers fees would go a long way in fixing the system.
lastly, emergency room healthcare must be paid for, not by society, but by the users. if the er stops giving out free medical care, people will buy health insurance, but our country incentivizes all the wrong things in the name of compassion, and punishes all the right things in the name of society.
I am now watching Wesley Clark shilling for ethanol on Bloomberg right now. This is yet another Democrat corruptocrat who has re-appeared as the point man for a scam. Quite a club those Dems.
Yikes! He obviously hangs out with High Priest and Priestess of Gaiea, Al Gore and Nancy Pelocchio. When established facts don’t work, make up your own.
This is the corrupt elite class that has a strangle hold on our freedoms and is now calling us “un-American”.
Maybe healthcare does need to be reformed, but the question is how?
The unfortunate reality is that we were born to die. But, we are also meant to live. Are we to live well? Are there limits?
The questions are how and when? Who is at the controls of that decision, if it is a decision. Insurance companies, Government, or you, the individual?
Often times the best intentions result in poor outcomes. The cliche is, no good deed goes unpunished. There will be consequences should healthcare be reformed, or not. Ultimately, we will all die, but will we live well?
Yes. Conservatism in a, shall I say, nutshell.
Why can’t healthcare insurance be more like auto insurance or home insurance? You get to pick what you want, it doesn’t matter if you lose your job, you still keep it as long as you pay the premiums. There is lots of competition to help keep costs down. A minimum of government regulation would be needed – don’t scrap the whole system and move to single-payer government-run healthcare which is what the DemocRATs/socialists want!
granite: Or having a remarried usurper ‘heir’ to her deceased previous husband’s family fortune for, say for example, Heinz.
Currently, my insurance policy covers things that I don’t want and will never use. Each state can mandate what will be offered in a plan and that’s a big part of the problem. Out of control lawsuits are another factor in costs. The employer decides which plans will be offered to the employees. If the employer covers all the costs, then that employer have the control rights. As soon as the employee has to foot part of the costs, then the employee should have more of a say. I pay at least half the cost and don’t want the plan I have but the alternative is to go without a plan altogether. I want to purchase a health insurance plan the same way I buy life insurance. My life insurance covers what I want at a price I want to pay and goes from job to job, state to state. To date, I have had to deal with at least 25 different health insurance plans. Over time, I have payed more for less. I would have been better off to have paid cash of all my medical needs.
Our congressman is one of the so called bluedog Democrats. He sent out an email that he won’t be having any town hall meetings.
My understanding (snark here) is that the health care reform bills mandate that every person must have medical insurance that gives at least a minimum package of benefits. Congress is not exempting themselves from this.
The bills do not forbid people from having more than the minimum. Drivers are allowed to buy more than the minimum auto insurance. Probably lots of Congressmen do that, too.
What is it with our royal congress, where so many people (the Kennedies, Dingell, Rockefeller, Sonny Bono’s LLL but Republican wife, Lisa Murkowski, the now defeated King of the RINOs, Lincoln Chaffee et ux) inherit a seat by virtue of being the child or widow of a Congressman.
But, considering how libtard Massachusetts is, if people there aren’t fond of Marxist Medicine, nobody is.
But they’ll still try to cram it down the throats of the stinking unsophisticated serfs too busy clinging to Bibles and guns to know what is best for them.
Loretta Sanchez is supposedly a ‘Blue Dog’. She stole Bob Dornans seat with the help of a few thousand of her illegal alien voting friends, but Orange County is just a tad to moderate for her to fly her freak flag high like Waxman and Pelotox.
That young girl at the end of the clip doesn’t realize that her grandma would die under obamacare because she would be deemed to old for care….
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The U.S. Army was a good introduction to “two tier” systems. As a 23 year old E-1 draftee private I could go to a slummy old warehouse that was the Enlisted Mens Club. Some sorry 3.2 beer and bad hamburgers and hot dogs were available–very little room, one poor pool table, kicked out sheetrock walls, etc.
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The NCO Club (E-5 and above) was a lot nicer–better beer, mixed drinks, good menu, etc.
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The Officer’s Club was really nice–the picture was quite clear to me that I was in the “wrong class”. But this is acceptable in Military Service.
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White Sands Missile Range was a very technically orientated post in 1964. Most of us draftees worked as engineers, tracking camera operators, data analysts, etc. Saturdays and Sundays were “off days” unless we were supporting missions.
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One day a high ranking bird colonel decided that all E1 to E5 (low rank enlisted) male personnel needed to spend all day Saturday doing “basic training” stuff. When the officer presented his plan to the Commanding General the chief asked him if this was really necessary. The colonel replied that it was in case we were sent to Vietnam.
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The general responded, “O.K.–we will start at 0700 hours this Saturday. I WILL BE THERE LEADING THE TROOPS. And I expect ALL PERSONNEL to be there also! The only excused absences are for medical or mission support reasons.” The Colonel decided that this wasn’t so important after all.
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Us peons really respected this general–he understood what command leadership meant. He died of a heart attack late one night as he returned from Ft. Bliss. A G.I.’s car had turned over on the lonely desert road. The general and his driver turned the car back on its wheels and got the troop out first. We all went to his funeral without being ordered to do so.
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Our “representatives” are the new Officer Class. If this “health care reform” turkey gets passed EVERYBODY SHOULD JOIN US PEONS IN THE “EM CLUB”–no exceptions. If it’s good enough for me it’s good enough for all.
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John Bibb
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Do you understand that Obama’s 8 points will mandate level of coverage that every insurance will have to meet? Those 8 points will make sure all plans are equal so the idiot Democrat base can compare apples to apples without having to think about complicated concepts like co-pay, deductible and lifetime limits (These are the same people that could not understand advanced concepts like adjustable interest rates and interest only payments.) In the end it will drive rates through the roof and make them unaffordable for most individuals and small companies. The only option left for many, if not most will be Obamacare. In the end it will be a fiasco and the Dems will be looking for scapegoats to blame for their idiot-based policies.
On August 10th, 2009 at 8:23 am, maine yankee said:
Best line:
The only way to hijack a debate is by winning it with superior facts.
As for confusing Congress, we are trying to rectify that problem, particularly the widespread confusion about who they really work for.
reshas1 said (#47):
It’s a cold fact. Medical science is inventing more and more expensive ways to extend life less and less. At some point we have to say no: it is not worth a million bucks to keep grandma alive another month. It might be worth a million bucks to save a 20 year old with sixty good years of life expectancy.
So lgm is perfectly willing to be the Health Commissar.
lgm said:
So it all boils down to how much you are worth to the state eh! Not on my watch you blubbering sycophant.
LGM getting rid of the ‘useless eaters’ like the good little nazi he is..
Here’s a fact for you Sparky: no one will tell me how much is enough. No one will tell me at what point I will say no.
Is the picture clearer now?
Bingo! This is the way health insurance should be done.
You should be able to join any health care plan you choose. The employer can offer various plans, but the employee decides which one to use. If the employee’s choice is not one of those offered by the employer, doesn’t matter.
The problem is that the socialists have told the people that they have a right to health care and that it should be “free.” So, everyone wants something for nothing and what they get is nothing for something.
Bingo, cold and sadistic little satanist isn’t he? Life is only precious if it is “productive to the collective”. Good little marxist/socialist/communist has all the key points memorized. What a sad sad little man you must be lgm.
That’s a choice “grandma” makes in her living will . . . it must not be a choice made be a left wing totalitarian government regime.
lgm, who is it that deems just what is good? The government? You need to read up on eugenics.
And remember, if the gov’t says they won’t decide that issue, what that means is they won’t decide it now. In the future, who knows? Also, if you take any money or benefit from the gov’t, you must follow whatever restrictions or actions they mandate. And those can change as different laws are passed.
To top it all off, if you get any benefit from any gov’t program, you can’t sue to find it unconstitutional. Check out Ashwander v. TVA. We’ll have an entire class of people unable to petition the gov’t for redress of grievance.
Rep. Niki Tsongas of Massachussetts…IRONIC. Representatives from the State where our country got started, are now trying to help a Marxist CHANGE it into a socialist state…a failed system, with a history of corruption, enslavement, and of crushing freedom.
Tsongas’s, Kennedy’s, and many others, are elitists who have basically been handed American royalty,,,families who feel entitled to “run and control” the lives of the American peons…or should I say, “Pee On’s?”
Who’s surprised that our bloggie Comrade, lgm, is a Eugenist? Not I. He’s is apparently in favor of “dignified deaths” AKA assisted suicide of the elderly (those over 40), the terminally ill (a waste of money), the retarded (not productive members of society, and a burden), and of course, anyone in his opinion who does not contribute to his idea of Utopia.
Lgm, you are beyond being a simpleton. You are a drain on society…a waste of precious oxygen, a polluter (it comes out both your holes), and, by your own standards, a non-productive drain on the economy. You should be given your Dear Leader’s prescription to remedy the problem. Others could better use the resources, both natural and monetary, that you exploit to live your miserable life.
Off-topic? Here is a link to ~arrange a meeting~ with John Tierney for health care via Organizing for America
There will be a response to Tierney’s recluse behavior at 1PM this Thursday. I intend to be there!
Why is MY elected representative for the 6th district of Massachusetts, a PUBLIC office, hiding behind some private organizing group in CHICAGO?? THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!!
Here is part of the problem…communicating what “insurance” really is.
Liberals/progressives would have you believe that insurance businesses are there ONLY to pay for your benefits. They conveniently leave out the fact that they are in the business to make money.
They are able to take a pot of money (premiums), and invest them in the free market to get a monetary profit. Some of that money is reinvested, paid out to shareholders, and used to pay policy holders medical coverage, as needed.
The law of averages dictates the amount of risk in this business. Liberals would have you believe that “premiums” are pooled into a vast reserve, where it just sits until it is needed to pay medical bills…a cursory observation of our elected officials will reveal how that concept was created and maintained. It’s how they view the national treasury.
The bottomline is that insurance is a business. With all the “progressive” restrictions and regulations heaped upon this industry, it is easy to see how some of those companies turn their business into a racket. Yeah, they pay protection…by the liberal use of lobbyists (read: bag men). The elected officials keep this scam going under the guise of “free speech,” all while giving those “racketeers” a wink and a nod.
Get rid of legalized lobbying, the corrupt enablers in both houses and both parties, enact real tort reform, ban “prescription advertising” in the mass media (why do I need to tell my doctor about a new drug…drug reps do that), and watch how fast medical costs come down.
Remember, those pointing fingers have three pointing back at them!
The problems within our health care system were CREATED by our government.
Very few people have any understanding why employers are involved with providing healthcare coverage. The fact is that employer provided healthcare grew out of government regulation due to wage freezes during WWII.
This benefit was something that employers back then could offer to recruit and retain employees when they could not raise wages. By exempting this benefit from taxes, government rewarded employers and employees to continue to offer this type of coverage.
Prior to this point in history, we were largely pay for service. Then along came Ted Kennedy that forced the HMO ACT of 1978 down our throats that forced business to offer health benefits to its employees. Kennedy said this was going to reduce health costs and lower insurance rates. It in fact resulted in skyrocketing health costs as well as forcing over 2200 private hospitals to close and the HMO industry became a cabal with the Governments blessing. The Congress had to change anti trust laws to enact the HMO Act because what they were mandating was illegal at the time.(anti trust law)
The result over time is that there is virtually no competition because the Federal Government tells insurers what hey can and cannot offer and the consumer has no idea how much the procedures and Rx’s cost because the HMO is paying for it all. In short, they have mandated semi socialistic fascist health care already. The reasons costs escalate is that there is no competition.
How about dropping all government spending (including tax benefits on coverage) in the area of healthcare. After all, it is a power not granted to the government in the constitution anyway. How about a return to pay for service based system?
This would force the insurance companies to offer creative and affordable plans at an individual level, with more choices than you see from your employer-negotiated plans today. Ending government spending in healthcare is the only way to return healthcare costs to reasonable levels.
Besides how do you like the way the post office, airport security, or any other government program is being run?
Best townhall youtube video so far. Must see.
Please let us all know who is running against Rep. Niki Tsongas in 2010.
It is time to start working on the campaign against Rep. Tsongas!
Rp. Snodgrass actually mentioned the truth at one point “…do our home work and pay attention…” if people had been doing that all along these socialists/Marxists wouldn’t be in office. Think of those words right out of the loin’s mouth.
It is out responsibility to make our families, neighbors and friends to do just that “do our home work and pay attention” for the elections coming up next year…vote left wing libturds out and keep them out in order to save America.
Dang it,she’s worked hard for her title! Please show her the respect
she’s earnedfor which she feels she is entitled!/sarc off
Tsongas is the rep for my district and is a Dem placeholder due to her last name only. Even then, she was almost defeated by an almost unknown GOP candidate with no political experience and little money.
Tsongas could not oppose her leadership ever- she is simply a number in the yes vote category with no independent thinking possible on her part.
Considering that, her response was not bad. I would have expected ‘Nancy asked me to vote this way’.
Let’s face the fact that top notch health care is expensive and will ALWAYS be expensive; cheap health care is what they have in the third world. If you want the BEST then you are going to have to PAY for it no matter whether it is an automobile, a house or .. your health care.
The SOLUTION is not trying to cut doctor salaries or limit insurance company profits,etc. – the solution is to BE RICHER. Capitalism built the high standard of living we enjoy and ONLY CAPITALISM can sustain it!
Liberals are raping what the FREE market built and the demise of health care is only the beginning of what’s to come if they continue to squelch our ability to BE prosperous. The number ONE thing that brings prosperity is FREEDOM and they are chipping away at our freedom every way they can.
You want even cleaner air and water? CUT TAXES! You want more people to afford high quality health care? CUT TAXES! You want more kids to get a college education? CUT TAXES! … etc.
Pasadena Phil said (#64):
The dad was misinformed, probably by Rush Limbaugh.
lgm said:
There is a classic talking point if I ever heard one – give us all the reason why he was misinformed?
you liar.
To MDT # 68
Let’s all make sure the candidate who runs against Rep. Tsongas in 2010 receives more financial and volunteer support!
Please let us know who that candidate is so we can all help to spread the word!
Don’t forget ULTRA-liberal John Tierney either. This guy is running against Tierney.
Fixed it for you.
BTW, for any dense people out there, I’m pointing out the argument is the same, only the unfortunates have changed.
You didn’t watch the video, did you?
Rep. Dingell offered a weak explanation that treatment of the disabled would be added in an amendment (one that does not appear to exist yet).
Was Dingell also misinformed by Rush Limbaugh?
Get some good info here
http://cis.org/Announcement/HealthCarePanel
Running against Tsongas
http://redmassgroup.com/diary/4822/sam-meas-leads-tsongas
I have a question.. If the current health care system is so broken & is helping to destroy our economy, AND as the Democrats claim, we WOULD be able to keep our private insurance, wouldn’t that mean they are completely retarded & pushing a plan that won’t work? I mean if it’s so broken, why would you push a plan that lets people keep “broken” coverage?
It’s just proof they are lying.. LYING Cockroaches!
Thank you DancesWithDachshunds! # 74
To all who live in Massachusetts Congressional District #6, what can you tell us about Bill Hudak?
Bill Hudak is running against Rep. John Tierny.
Check out Hudak’s web site:
http://hudakforcongress.com/inner.asp?z=18
The meeting seemed to be more peaceful before the union/ObamaCare thugs began to show up at the prompting of someone.
Thank you MDT! # 78
Here is the web site for Sam Meas who is running against Niki Tsongas in the 5th Congressional District in Massachusetts.
http://sammeasforcongress.com/Home_Page.html
Wow! Be sure to read the “About Sam” section on his web site.
Let the 2010 campaign season begin!
OT
The White House has launched a “Reality Check” website on ObamaCare. It is filled with video, mostly from Obama officials, including the famous “disinformation” video.
This is the email I received.
No surprise.
For liberals, a non-answer is often the best answer. It’s a win-win situation for them. Think about it …
Avoiding the question affords them the opportunity to move on to more friendly territory without having to disclose the truth about their intentions AND allows them to pretend they know what they are talking about.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Article and Section, please.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
At some pint WHO has to say no? Under Oblahmacare the government (the least qualified entity to be making these decisions) would be deciding, rather than the patient and family.
This is a completely inappropriate response to a perfectly valid concern.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/08/obama-has-cut-taxes-for-986-percent-of.html
My recent email via Speaker Pelosi’s web site contact form at:
http://speaker.house.gov/contact/
I just sent an email to my congressman, Ike Skelton and Claire McCaskill asing where they stand on governemnt run healthcare. I also asked them both if they would support H.R. 615.
By the way, Ike Skelton is such a coward he’s not holding any townhalls in his district.
US deficit climbs to 1.3 trillion dollars
I suppose you believe that 1.4% of Americans are going to pay for all of that.
Besides which, your post is off-topic. Please seek attention elsewhere.
Michelle…another great interview on Glenn Beck today!!! spot one yet again….
rightwingrocker said (#85):
I’m sorry. I thought you guys were following the health care proposals, not just commenting on them.
rightwingrocker said (#86):
That depends on how your health care is paid for. If you pay out of pocket, you make all decisions (very few Americans are in this category). If you have health insurance (most Americans pay for health care through insurance), the company decides, not you or your doctor.
For 99% of Americans, health care reform or not, the question is not whether bureaucrats will make life/death decisions — they will — but which bureaucrats & who do they work for?
Salt said(#90)
Financing tax cuts for the rich with long term debt: you were for it when Reagan and Bush did it.
commie news network poll on health care protests…current results:
Town-hall protests over health care are:
Being orchestrated by lobbyists 56% 138352
Ordinary citizens expressing their opinions 44% 108433
Total Votes: 246785
go vote…
You’re continuing the off-topic discussion started by ILMC? Are you certain you wish to be associated with his point of view (assuming he even has one)?
So tell me, then, which Article and Section of the United States Constitution authorizes Congress or the President to do any of this.
With an insurance policy paid for and monitored by you, and if you’re dissatisfied you can change. In case you hadn’t noticed, that goes away with Obamacare, and these decisions are then made by bureaucrats who have NO LEGAL AUTHORIZATION to make them.
Why do I feel like I’m talking to a child?
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
You don’t “finance” tax cuts. You simply ask people to pay less money.
When Reagan and Bush cut taxes (on all taxpayers, by the way, not just the rich), receipts increased. The only thing that increased the debt was the same out-of-control spending your guy is asking for right now.
Get it right.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
What Axlerod really knows, and should have said is the following:
Notice how “healthcare reform” has suddenly become “health insurance reform.”
The truth is easily realized with liberals when you take the opposite meaning of what they profess as the truth. This dude, Axlerod. IS the Obama Administration’s equivalent to Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Germany’s spin-meister in chief. He has been credited with the saying, “Tell a big enough lie, often enough, to enough people, and it becomes the truth.”
And so it is….they have now created a new TASS agency to provide all the “news” that is fit to be believed…”I…do solemnly swear, to protect and defend the Constitution, from all enemies, both foreign and domestic, so help me God.”
I guess the term “enemy” is relative to a person who views the Constitution as restricting the free exercise of tyranny, who staffs his advisors with enemies of the state, and who so obviously does not believe in the same God as do we.
I am no longer a registered Republican, I am an Independant. I will NEVER again vote for Collins or Snowe, even if that means a dem gets in. Least I know then what I am getting. I think Senate polling numbers are SO low that it wouldn’t be too hard to have the whole lot of them thrown out and get some new blood in there. THAT is my goal. I think we need a national movement to “throw them out”.
They are the tories, and we are the patriots. If we keep the pressure up, we’ll get our liberty back and get back a Constitutional government once again. Perhaps an updated “Common Sense” would be useful about now. The battles will be fought in the townhalls and ballot boxes.
Grandma might make a good lampshade, eh lgm?