Rep. Tsongas tries to explain why Congress is exempt from Obamacare. Fails.
Herein lies the ultimate Achilles’ Heel of Obamacare. Watch as Democrat Rep. Niki Tsongas of Massachussetts attempts to explain why Congress is exempt from the government health care takeover mandates. The exchange starts at 4:00:
Transcript:
CONSTITUENT: My question to you, Congresswoman Tsongas, is that if this is such a great plan, why did you opt out of it when you took the vote [loud applause, standing ovation]?
TSONGAS: People often say why don’t the American people have what those of us in Congress have. [Audience erupts] Let me explain what I have. Let me explain what I have. What I have is a tremendous array — you know, last year when I went to a discussion — what I have is a tremendous array of choices. And I made a choice based on what I was willing to pay for and what made sense in terms of coverage for me and my family. [Audience shouts out: "We want choice! We want choice!] This is essentially what we are creating for the American people. We are creating greater choice.
[Smattering of applause overwhelmed by boos.]
Epic fail. The imperious “Do as I say, not as I do” ways of Washington cannot be packaged as choice-enhancing, no matter how hard Rep. Tsongas tries. Refresher from 5 key freedoms you’ll lose under Obamacare:
In short, the Obama platform would mandate extremely full, expensive, and highly subsidized coverage — including a lot of benefits people would never pay for with their own money — but deliver it through a highly restrictive, HMO-style plan that will determine what care and tests you can and can’t have. It’s a revolution, all right, but in the wrong direction.
More than 150,000 have signed GOP Rep. John Fleming’s petition telling Congress to live under the health care mandates it forces on the rest of the country.
If the Democrats can’t come up with a better answer than Tsongas (and they can’t), Obamacare is toast.
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At some point we have to say no: It is not worth a million bucks to keep a moron like you alive another month. It might be worth a million bucks to save someone who has a shred of intelligence and can comprehend the value of life.
lgm would have been right at home with Pol Pot, Stalin and Hitler. That’s the problem with socialized, government controlled medical care. The elites decide who lives and who doesn’t. In other words, they play God. Such societies have never worked; in the end, caused rebellion. When men decide the morals and values of a society they become totally corrupted. Read your world history. People become slaves of the elites. Everything becomes stagnant, unless forced at the point of a gun, or punishment. Is that the society lgm wants? The USSR failed and China is becoming more and more capitalistic, while we want to go where they found as failing.
http://ncpa.org/pdfs/Where_Civic_Republicanism_and_Deliberative_Democracy_Meet.pdf
Obama’s health policy advisor Ezekiel Emanuel has some ideas that scare the hell out of me, as a parent of a child with a disability.
Ezekiel J. Emanuel
The fundamental challenge to theories of distributive justice for health care is to develop a prin- cipled mechanism for defining what fragment of the vast universe of technically available, effective medi- cal care services is basic and will be guaranteed socially and what services are discretionary and will not be guaranteed socially. Such an approach accepts a two-tiered health system-some citizens will receive only basic services while others will receive both basic and some discretionary health services. Within the discretionary tier, some citizens will re- ceive few discretionary services, other richer citizens will receive almost all available services, creating a multiple-tiered system
“The patient, or micro, level entails determining which individual patients will re- ceive specific medical services; that is, whether Mrs. White should receive this available liver for trans- plantation”
“This civic republican or deliberative democratic conception of the good provides both procedural and substantive insights for developing a just allocation of health care resources. Procedurally, it suggests the need for public forums to deliberate about which health services should be considered basic and should be socially guaranteed. Substantively, it suggests services that promote the continuation of the polity those that ensure healthy future generations, ensure development of practical reasoning skills, and ensure full and active participation by citi- zens in public deliberations-are to be socially guaranteed as basic. Conversely, services provided to in- dividuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with de-mentia.”
graysonret said (#102):
OK, who do you think should decide when heroic end of life procedures are too expensive? Hint: unless you’re worth millions and self insured paying medical expenses out of pocket, it isn’t you or your doctor, and it isn’t going to be.
I’d rather leave it to Lassie and Rin Tin Tin than the government.
And we’re not even talking about heroic or life-end procedures here. We’re talking about stuff that’s considered ROUTINE, like having a pacemaker put in.
I’m still not sure why we’re having this discussion. No one has shown how this is in any way legal under the supreme law of the land.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
End of life decisons are discussed with the patient, if possible, family and their physician. They shouldn’t be “discussed” by lawyer politicians in D.C.. I won’t accept some politician deciding what my patient’s care will be or won’t be. That’s why socialized medicine loses so many healthcare professionals. We refuse to work under such a system of uncaring about life and the tragedy that occurs to the families involved, while the “uncaring” politicians have everything to help them.
Creepy
Patients forced to live in agony after NHS refuses to pay for painkilling injections
Well, my congress critter, John Tierney, 6th district in Mass., is refusing to hold a town meeting….must’ve gotten scared when he say what happened to his BFF Niki….what a worm…..
Thanks, DWD. I’m glad to see someone else is finally running against Tierney.
While I won’t be able to make it to the rally Thursday, I will definitely keep tabs on Bill Hudak, and provide as much support as I possibly can.
Anything to get that scumsucker Tierney out of office!!!
What’s this ‘we’ crap? You have no say in my grandma’s care.
Lgm is that useful idiot that will be the FIRST person shot when his Beloved ascends to total control.
Conservatives need to get over the idea that some folks are liberal because they don’t have the facts and realize that many people are liberal because they have a willingness to be deluded (arising from any number of deep-seated mental/emotional issues). This willingness is impervious to any sort of fact or logic. It’s folks like this who, along with straight up doctrinaire libs, that make some kind of major conflict inevitable because there is just no reasoning and they won’t back down from trying to force you into their way of thinking.