Pretty sneaky, Congresswoman Bean
Two days ago, I called attention to the $25 fee to get into Democrat Rep Melissa Bean’s town hall in Illinois.
See here.
After I blogged about it, someone changed the title of the meeting to lessen the embarrassment.
Here’s the screen cap of the original event announcement:
And here’s the new and improved version:
Pretty sneaky, sis!
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Sneaks, liars and crooks. Do we expect anything more of them?
She promises a free lunch, but charges for breakfast.
No, no. She and the rest of the Democraps are promising a free ride. I’ll let others guess where we will be let off!!
Twenty-five dollars for breakfast? When the government gets involved, prices go up.
“D” for Dem = Crapweasel
Notice that it’s Illinois again. Slippery indeed!
Cute joke, but to be factual accurate, the breakfast is sponsored by the Chamber of Commerce, not any governmental unit.
Remember the value is appearances, perceptions, not substance. If it looks good, it is good whether a thing is good or not. Obama is trying to figure out a way to make the health care bill look palatable but not change anything in it. Make it look good so the people will buy it but change nothing in it so Obama still gets his power grab.
It is of no surpise then that a democrat congress woman would follow the same m.o.
Jim
Incluing? How about clueing us in on what’s going on?
or don’t you know….
“… and hear about the the….” and the double talk begins……
Very bad ad.
Bacon, eggs and B.S. Unfortunately some of these pathetic congresspersons will be returned to congress no matter what they do. Let’s hope the conservatives in congress don’t let these idiots off the hook by “compromising” to show they can work “together” for the “good” of the American people. Nothing good has come out of the liberals in congress, ever. Consider the source of the health bill in the House, Henry Waxman. Look up his liberal record in congress.
Nice catch. “Incluing” us in, Rep. Bean will only be allowing suckers who pay her money the privilege of listening to her.
Just exactly what sort of representation is this?
Also, from my recollection of visits there, Killdeer is the high-rent district. I wonder how much support she really has there as the biz owners and white collars there really start to understand this bill
Give them five bucks worth of product and charge them $25. Sounds like a perfect dem program to me.
Sneaky web page changes are the least of this democrat’s (Melissa Bean) problems right now.
As of last night, Melissa was probably practicing on how to mislead her constituents into accepting a “public option” – a scheduled, government takeover of the US health care industry.
As of this morning, the White House is reported to be abandoning the “public option” – the cornerstone of Obama’s entire US health care overthrow scheme – for obvious, polling reasons.
Can you imagine being a politician who already has to pretend to be someone they’re not (the majority of new democrats elected since 2006) AND who has to go out and sell a radical agenda by constantly pretending that it is something else…and THEN the architect of that agenda strips that radical agenda of its wings in mid-flight and STILL expects you to sell it??
Obama’s health care takeover agenda should be called STONE SOUP.
Moral cowards . . . everyone of them.
What’s with this Chamber of Commerce running cover for bean? Do they think their business’ will make money on windmills and prescription medicine deals? Or is it only about illegals? Fools.
They forgot to add,”If you don’t like it,SHUT-UP”
Really,these people are stuck on stupid.It seems they are always back-pedalling,or claiming that their words are taken out of context,or changing the wording of ads like this.
They can’t get anything right the FIRST time.I believe that it is result of their Liberal Ivy League educations.
It’s amazing what the dems will resort to, just so they can get what they want to hear. I guess some people are more equal than others.
Townhall or fund raiser? $25.00 seems like a lot of money for SOS.
I’m sure plenty of pork will come included…
WashingtonIndependent taking shots at Michelle over “Town-Hall Breakfast”
Good tip, t951:
Sounds like the same type of fool who, 37 years ago, couldn’t understand how Nixon won, because she didn’t know anyone who had voted for him….
I wonder if “Mr. Bean” will be there.. I’d pay the $25 bucks to see him…
Setting
CONGRESSWOMAN BEAN’s district office. Conference Room. She sits at the head of a long table, her staff seated around it. She appears disheveled and stressed. The members of her staff appear anxious and confused.
BEAN: How do I stop protests at my “town hall” meeting? C’mon people! Let’s brainstorm! I need options, NOW!!
STAFFER #1: Uh, we could, uh, not have one?
BEAN: I know I said we’re brainstorming, and we shouldn’t judge any ideas put forth, but that was just stupid. Have you seen these people? If I don’t have a town hall, I’ll be crucified in the press. Try again.
STAFFER #2: What about charging people to enter? We could make it a $500 a plate luncheon! That would limit the riff-raff AND serve as a fundraiser!
BEAN: (pinches the bridge of her nose, closes her eyes, speaks through clenched teeth) Are you actually trying to get me on the front page of every paper in the country? Are you trying to make me the lead story on every news channel? This cannot have the appearance of fundraising. C’mon, people, work with me!
(Bean stands, grabs a marker and starts writing on the flip chart.)
BEAN: Here are the ground rules: 1) Limit participation by these so-called protesters. I just can’t handle angry people yelling at me. That’s why I left consulting and ran for Congress.
STAFFER #1: You could send invitations to only those people that we know are friendly. That way, no outsiders can get in!
BEAN: I really need you to be quiet for the rest of the meeting. I swear, sometimes it’s like being surrounded by GOP strategists.
(turns back to the flip chart and writes)
BEAN: 2) Make it look like a fair and open meeting. 3) Don’t let the only topic be healthcare reform.
STAFFER #3: But, Missy, isn’t that what the people will want to talk about?
BEAN: Yes, that’s the point. They’ll want to talk about it, but I can’t defend it. Our talking points are to tell everyone that negative comments are unfounded because we haven’t worked out the details.
STAFFER #3: So, it’s like we have to sell people on something that isn’t clear and allay their fears by telling them that these specific things they are worried about aren’t even specific yet, so they should just calm down.
BEAN: Yes, finally someone who understands.
STAFFER #3: But after the recess, we’ll make sure that these specific things they fear are actually in the bill, right?
BEAN: RIGHT! We just have to get past this summer break. So, we must prevent discussion of healthcare, and if it comes up, we must deflect and diffuse concerns until the meeting is over.
STAFFER #1: (sheepishly) Uh, (stammers as Bean turns and glares at him) we could have someone else host the meeting with you as a guest…
(Bean’s face softens as she considers this.)
STAFFER #2: Yeah, how about the Chamber of Commerce! They’re always trying to seem important.
(Bean looks around to Staffer #2, amazed at the intelligence of the suggestion.)
STAFFER #2: And I bet I could convince them to charge an entrance fee for the lunch.
STAFFER #3: Lunch, hell, make it a breakfast, start the meeting at 9!
STAFFER #1: (sensing the increase in energy, suddenly emboldened) Nine is too late, these old folks are up and around early. Make it 7:30.
STAFFER #2: And we’ll make everyone RSVP at least 10 days in advance. And we’ll hold it mid-week.
STAFFER #3: This could be our least attended and quiestest town hall yet.
BEAN: (smiling, looking proudly over her team) That is what I am talking about, people! Excellent work. I love it. Go make it happen.
(Bean turns to leave, but stops, looks over her shoulder.)
BEAN: Just remember, when you do the notice, make it look like a CoC meeting. I don’t want anyone suggesting we’re charging for anyone to exercise their right of free speech. Later, after the recess, we can refer to it as a town hall. And make it look professional, not like that junk you did in the spring.
STAFFER #1: You got it, boss.
So, if you’re a member of congress, all you have to do is “support” something to get an award. Personally, I think that Playtex and Maidenform do a better job of supporting things than congress does. Maybe they should get some awards too.
You’re staying pretty far from the actual health care debate. Let me come back to the Republican misinformation campaign.
Did you know that Senator Grassley was for end of life counseling before it became euthanasia? So were Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich.
New York Congressman Brian Higgins is doing the same thing. He has refused to say if he’s holding any Town Hall meetings (last I checked), but he is holding a Paid Lunch.
So now it is a Lake Zurich Chamber of Commerce breakfast, only open to members of the Chamber? What about the rest of her constituents?
The Democrat Party is a party of lies and deceit. All BS, all the time.
LGM, the whole “death panel” angle is a red herring. The idea that one flawed argument against the plan validates the entire plan is absurd.
Exactly. As “insurance reform” bill gets pared down, I suspect that Dems and Reps alike will circle the wagons around making available to illegals, even if that is the only change they make to the status quo.
And while they are voting on it, we will be beseiged by the actual amnesty bill again.
What we are witnessing is the biggest, most well-funded effort to subvert democratic process the world has ever seen.
No incumbents after 2010!!!
Go Sarah!!!
lgm, you are as adorable as you are predictable.
The end of life counseling back in 2003 only applied to people that were terminally ill and close to death, whereas the latest bill makes it mandatory for everyone over a certain age. Good try though. Better luck next time.
Excuse me. The latest bill made it mandatory before it was struck. Preview is my friend.
Does that invite extend ONLY to CofC member representatives? The mob is not invited? Wow! speak to your congress woman if you are a part of big business and can spend $25.00 for breakfast. What ever happened to the party of the working man that created WPA etc.? They are eating augular, or something like that —I don’t know.
Off topic but this is too good to pass up.
Swine flu vaccine may be killing more people than the flu itself. That is what happened the last time we had a such government-sponsored scare campaign in 1976 over that year’s swine flu. Those results?
Deju vu all over again.
The big difference is Newt and Sarah’s was entirely VOLUNTARY. No one is against counseling if a person wants it. Just don’t send Dr Ezekiel Emanuel to do it, please.
Sorry about my post #34. Didn’t realize that Doug Powers had beat me to it. The link is provided at “buzzworthy”.
This is the essence of what has been wrong with America for the past century. Not that we’ve been electing sneaks, liars, and crooks, but that we’ve been blindly trusting those that get elected.
The nature of government is evil. Even the best souls placed there should never be trusted, but instead monitored carefully by the people. Every elected official should be treated as sneak, a liar, and a crook, lest he/she actually become one, as the current crop have.
Power corrupts.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Back to paring down the healthcare bill, here is Sebelius declaring :
Again, I suspect the “essential” element is coverage for the vast number of uncovered illegal immigrants on the path to amnesty.
What only $25 to buy access to your paid public employee seems like she is selling herself pretty darn cheap. The only difference I’m beginning to see between the world’s oldest profession and the lying crapweasels in Congress at least you actually receive some sort of release from the former (although how long or short it takes you to get there) then any benefit we receive from a politician.
Ok fine, it is her prerogative to attend a local Chamber of Commerce breakfast where individuals pay $25 to listen to her speak. When is she holding a townhall meeting to listen to her constituents speak? I checked her website and found no mention of any “townhall” meetings scheduled.
Rep. Bean, the “Chamber of Commerce” breakfast will not be viewed as listening to your constituents. Don’t even try that lie.
GraniteMan said (#35):
Not exactly. The present plan requires providers to offer end of life counseling. It does not require the patient to accept it. It’s still voluntary for the patient.
25 Bucks for breakfast. If that is not a clear indicator of where someones head is at, nothing is.
Can they accommodate me if I want a kosher meal?
Oh, what if I’m lactose-intolerant?
WTF? On a closer reading, I see that it’s open only to “representatives of Chamber member businesses in good standing in District 8.”
Useless.
Does this breakfast include Pepto-Bismol a/o compazine? Maybe they’ll offer it at the door, as you leave.
They really like to play with the English Language they really think calling something-something else changes the substance, and people are stupid and just don’t notice?
You know, by posting that on this site you’ve increased that leftist moron’s hits from about 25 a day to about 2500 today? Not to mention tripling the number of comments on this item (to date).
Concentrating on that particular item and trying to extrapolate it into euthanasia was an exaggeration. On the other hand, even though it isn’t in the bill, the reality is that only through rationing will Obama be able to claim to cut the cost of health care and you can only ration care to those who are sick – i.e. primarily the elderly. The effect will be denial of life sustaining medicine and procedures, the practical result of which is increased pain and decreased quality of life, which, combined with the increased emphasis on EOL counseling, will be a de facto push for increased (voluntary or involuntary) euthanasia. For Obama and the Democrats, this will have the additional benefit of reducing Social Security expenditures, giving them something else to brag about come next election.
lgm, the “current plan” would financially incentivize the doctor to engage in end-of-life counseling that CUTS COSTS.
It may be “voluntary”, but what ISN’T voluntary is the limited menu of options an elderly patient would be likely to be offered, by a government that holds all the cards.
I don’t suppose you’ve heard about Oregon, where a cancer patient was denied meds under the state plan, but told the state would pay for a physician-assisted suicide.
How’s THAT for end-of-life counseling!!
The liberals have spent $ millions now, on orchestrated marches, bussed people in for rally’s, and failed to accomplish what they had hoped to do.
Their goal was to create the impression that there was a clamor for universal health care now in this country, and they would deliver what the people want.
The people do not want this, not by any stretch of the imagination.
Only distraction and ridicule remain for the proponents because they have failed to create the impression they wanted.
However, the “representatives” are telegraphing their intentions to vote for it despite what the stupid people want. Only they know what is best for us!
The title of representative is undeserved for these people.
I know quite a few well placed, intelligent in their chosen fields, polite and courteous, Democrats who could never have reached their station in life without good life and people skills, knowledge and abilities. But it’s just beyond my comprehension as to why they continually fall flat on their faces when it comes to their choices for political representatives.
It’s almost like they want to be fooled again. Standing on the sidelines gazing wondrously straight up into the vast blue or black nothingness above, completely out of their intellectual element. With completely blank minds they wait for someone to “Pied Piper” them into this or that direction, and having no political common sense but continually falling for the lie though it seems so easy to spot when it’s heard.
They should be fit with football helmets on the cognitive choice making area the brain.
The “public option” is now a cooperative. So what changed?
GOP and Blue Dogs just say no to the whole health care movement.
We need a year to digest what is going on and another year to formulate tort reform and to increase competition among insurance companies.
Just say no to health care legislation. Don’t get lured by name changes that after a House, Senate conference will morf back to a public option.
They still are looking to covered ‘all uninsured’; including illegals. The day our health care becomes openly free and easy to all illegals is the day the floodgates open, with many millions of Mexican seniors making a dash for the border.
Grass,,,,meet snake!
The audacity of change?
A member of the COC (appropos, no?) in “good standing?” I would suggest that those members’ dues would have covered such an
productionevent.Of course, the chambers are political in nature, and in modeling themselves after those austere bodies in Washington, D.C. (Democrat Controlled…heh!), they will figure out ways to have others pay for their self-congratulatory gatherings.
Congresswoman Bean’s partisan political effluent will no doubt be a gas for those in attendance.
This sneak just proves they really don’t get it. They are blind to the fact that this is not about healthcare this is about lying, cheating, stealing BIG GOVERNMENT. It won’t go away when this bill dies it won’t go away when they attempt to give amnesty to illegals, it IS NOT GOING AWAY. They better smart up and stop spending!!!
Truly compassionate Democrats will surely want to provide full hell-th care benefits for convicts serving life sentences in our prisons…even though they will die in prison paying for Capital Offenses.
They will pay for depilatories so certain inmates with sexual identity disorders, can look their best when incarcerated. (One never knows where love will be found.) Of course, sex change expenses will be paid for as well, because, heaven forbid these criminals would have to suffer through an identity crisis while awaiting the grim reaper….
Please, someone ask the question; If it is NOT specifically prohibited, will any health care reform bill pay for any elective service at taxpayer expense? I want to know.
The expectation of ridicule for asking specific, logical questions, has me waiting with bated breath…
Good point. Also, what happens when we add 35 million more people (I’ve seen reports where 9 million or so will still be w/o insurance even after reform) to the health care queue, without increasing the number of doctors available, and making medicine a less attractive career option through salary controls, etc?
nice Connect 4 reference.
This whole business of health insurance by federal government, is wrong and unconstitutional. The correct way would have been to pass it as a Constitutional amendment and submit it to the states. At least, then, we could work on the state delegates, rather than our congress people, who seem to disappear, or be “too busy”. One of my senators is in Burma, for a self “pat on the back” mission. Please don’t use the “general welfare” clause, either. Anyone familiar with the Constitution, knows that the clause scared a lot of people, hence, the 10th amendment. But congress, in their race to socialism, ignores the law. Maybe they hope that someday, soon, the Constitution will be considered old and outdated, then ignored permanently.
“How’s THAT for end-of-life
counseling!!”
As stated many times for you ful…. that is not end of life counseling. The denial of treatment is about rationing. Because Oregon denies treatment, the denial of treatment forces a patient into end of life issues. You continue to mix apples and oranges and make a monster of a thing that is not the monster.
The denial of cancer treatment is not an end of life matter. Oregon does allow assisted suicide. But it was part of an end of life “plan” if you will that was only in play because treatment was denied due to rationing.
RATIONING ful… Focus on the real monster.
How American. When things go to h@11 just repackeage the same thing and advertise again.
flyover…
You left out the “redefine success” piece.
Repackage, redefine success, advertise again.
That’s the dance.
lgm:Read a book.
I suggest Culture of Corruption by a lovely young LADY named Michelle Malkin.
Complicity from the Chamber of Commerce, go figure. Republicans should completely disassociate from that group, who still favors bringing in
slavesillegals from Mexico.I love that!
I got that vaccination in ’76 and can honestly say I was the sickest I have ever been in my life, while hearing on the news of people dying from the shots. It was horrible. Would definitely have been better off with the flu.
What people call the “flu” kills 30,000 Americans every year. One case of H1N1 causes mass panic in the neighborhood with the help of a sensational media. People have become some apathetic about the “flu”, it is a common excuse to stay home from work. “I’ve got the flu”, or “I have a flu bug”.
I have paid $25 and more to attend a FUND RAISER for ConcressCritters and Senators and they damn well listed them as FUND RAISERS and not Town Halls.
Does she include a Lap Dance with Breakfast? Free Ride, Free Lunch whatever–they all cost too much. Keep us informed if a Lap dance is included–I might have to think about it
Hint: If you do go to a political dinner eat first-the only hot food will be the iced tea.
Excellent point.
Congresswoman Bean, I’d like a main course of the truth followed by dose of integrity.
But I expect all I will get is a heaping help of double talk along with some greasy pork barrel.
Lake Zurich, the district this twit represents, is outside Chicago. A burb, in the Land of Hopenchange. Admission: $25. Another version of “pay-to-play”.
lgm; reasoning like #41 is how liberals like you justify nambla. you refuse to read the plain written word. government shall not create a religion, gets morphed into atheism is the only acceptable religion. citizens have the right to bear arms, gets morphed into government can limit certain types of arms and in certain places, and only if we politicians tell you it’s o.k. “it all depends on what the definition of “is” is. i did not have sex with that woman , “as long as i don’t define a hummer as sex”. one of these days even you libs are going to realize that you political elites are lying even to you.
Lies, Lies and more lies to try and force this crap sandwich down our throats, and having sheeple like lgm spread the manuer around and try and hide the real agenda is sickening. These weasels are disgusting beyond words. Well, words you can say on here anyway.
If we don’t, we should!
Yes, sneaks, liars and crooks.
Until not long ago we had to depend on the mainstream media to “give” us the news and what was going on. Now, we have the internet and Fox News.
As Lincoln said, “You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time”
Smoke on that awhile Mr. President.
lgm said:
The idea that Obamacare will put the government in charge of life and death decisions did not originate with Republicans. It came from the President himself. Not only did Obama say that the best treatment for some elderly is a pain killer instead of surgery, he also questioned whether his own grandmother should have received a hip replacement at her stage of life. Add to that the following statements Obama has made recently:
If Obama’s plan will use a “standing commission” to cut medical costs and 80 percent of current costs come from caring for the chronically ill and elderly, how is it a stretch to then conclude that most of the cost savings will come from cutting care for the chronically ill and the elderly? Won’t that become a death sentence for some if they are deemed too old or too sick to get the care they need? And doesn’t that mean that Obama’s standing commission, in those cases, will be a death panel?
He is waiting to see if it makes it on Operahs Book Club.
Very slick.
Let’s just call the $25 a co-pay to play.
Beano .
Elderly? It isn’t just the elderly who have to worry about Civil Servants letting them die..
Do you have a high risk job? Farmer, Cab Driver, Cop? Ooooooh – your profession costs Obamacare too much. Have a painkiller and die at 40 because a whole lot of 18 year olds want your job – as an added benefit, we never pay your Social Security so Obamacare wins twice!
Do you like to bungee jump, skydive, play lacrosse, football, rugby? Your lifestyle is likely to cost Obamacare money. Those activities (and more) are banned.
Liberals don’t like SUV’s so, the fine Civil Servants at Obamacare have decided that they are a health risk and only DNC approved cars for the regular folks out here in what used to be America.
Don’t eat fatty foods, non organic or un-Left wing approved food.. Anything other than Tofu or Granola might cost Obamacare money so forget being able to eat what you want.
Lefty’s, don’t get all smug on me ad think, “Here is another rant from a crazy old white guy..” Uncle Sugar will eventually look closely at left wing lifestyles – best not smoke that pot, it causes cancer – very costly. High risk for HIV? Well, you can imagine the costs of treating that. Certain races have a high tendency to have sickle cell anemia and/or other disorders. The cost to treat them would cost Obamacare too much. I’m sure those people will be more than satisfied when the Civil Servant says, “Sorry pal, you were genetically inclined to be miserable and die, Force Majure – not an Obamacare problem.”
Think I’m way off base? I’ve been a Civil Servant for over 20 years – this WILL happen.
$25 Breakfasts that include enough Tobasco to cover the nasty taste of lies and deception, that could have the long term effect of prolonging Liberal stupidity.. Very costly to society.
Papa Louie said (#77):
Obama is right. Any hospice worker will tell you this.
He’s right again.
I believe this is a misrepresentation of what hospice and palliative care is. Hospice doesn’t become involved until a patient has either decided to no longer fight or is terminally ill despite medical care.
That’s very different from saying that senior citizens should not have surgery. That’s not a call for a “hospice worker” to make. If a surgery would potentially mean years (or even months) of life, it should be up to the individual.
You seem to confuse opinions with facts here. Obama has an opinion and you happily chime in that he is “right” without considering that this is not an issue with a single solution.
A person could live many years without a hip replacement, but would you want to do it? If she had other medical factors, certainly that would weigh in on the decision, but its still her decision, not her grandson’s.
Maybe someone should use Twitter to organize a “flash mob” Townhall meeting in the Chamber’s parking lot to coincide with the pay to play breakfast. She’s gotta come out of the building at some point…
My darling wife, in 2000, at the age of 39 had to have her left hip replaced. The socket was so bad that her left leg was 1 1/2″ shorter than her left leg.
Two years later she had the right one replaced. Pain pills were of no use.
That should read 1 1/2″ shorter than her right leg.
You can’t have it both ways, lgm. You can’t say that Obama is right to have a standing commission deny surgery to people they think are approaching end of life and, at the same time, claim that death panels are a “Republican misinformation campaign.”
Denying health care to those deemed too old or too sick is likely a death sentence. In some cases they may die anyway. But in most cases you don’t know for sure how much longer someone is going to live. A government commission that tries to make that decision becomes a death panel.
A good example of this is the very woman Obama implied would have been better off taking a pain killer. She needed a pace-maker but was denied because she was 100 years old. She successfully appealed and got her pacemaker. She’s still alive 5 years later. For her, Obama’s standing commission would have been a death sentence.
Papa Louie said (#87):
Here’s how: we have these panels already. Every insurance company has one. The government has one for Medicare.
You seem to switch between denying the existence of such panels to claiming they already exist.
It’s clear to many of us here that you would prefer that the government make these decisions rather than a free market; however, you take a long approach to saying that.
While the private sector has its flaws, the insurance companies have to base their decisions on actuarial science and, for the most part, please their customers. They also have to balance their business on premiums and investments. The government would not be beholden to any of this. It’s also very unlikely that the public option would be completely funded through premiums without federal subsidies.
Effectively, a public option would increase demand on the same supply of health care. What do you suppose that will do to the cost of health care?
Salt said (#89):
It depends on what is being called “death panel”. For some it’s experts making policy about what procedures to allow, and for whom. Those exist already and will continue to exist.
Palin’s picture of a sick person appearing before a “death board”, that’s not in any of the proposals and doesn’t happen in western Europe or Canada, where health care already has been reformed.
For others, “death board” refers to end of life councilors who help people draw up living wills. This is not a happy situation, but even in a Republican utopia, people would get there eventually.
I am not worried that this will turn into government pressure for people to kill themselves. If it should happen even once, there would be such an outcry …
LGM:
Healthcare wasn’t “reformed” in Europe or Canada. It was created after Europe was destroyed financially and physically and Canada was financially. In European Countries, it is still legal to purchase private insurance and, in most, other than Britain, once a person earns a certain amount of income, mandatory. Under this bill, this option will not be available in the USA. I think you, like the majority of Liberals, should have to live in a system of socialized medicine before you are allowed to have it at home. Assuming you are semi-intelligent, you would realize very quickly what a mistake it is.
Britain’s healthcare system is derided all over Western Europe as a complete failure (even by liberal proponents of socialized medicine). One of the reasons Britain refuses to completely fall in with EU mandates on healthcare is that they would be forced to adopt a Continental style system that is far superior to the one they have now. However, it would cost so much that it would be highly damaging to the British economy (which, after decades of Labour rule, is again teetering on the brink).
I listen to BBC radio every day and they wheel out some British guy who had to fly to America to get a procedure done he would have had to wait years for in the UK. BBC is a little less anti-American than Pravda so, if even they are saying we are better, you can take it to the bank.
The real truth is that when Europeans who can afford it need a procedure done, they fly to the USA. Then, for recovery and long term care, they return to Europe where it costs them nothing but other people’s taxes. Wealthy Americans do not fly to Europe for procedures. Ask yourself why.
As an aside: Since Blue Lips has ben elected, the State Run Media no longer mentions the “Homeless” so I guess we don’t have to worry about medical care for them, do we? Hey, here’s an idea, How about we contract with Canada to give Medical care to all of our Urban Outdoorsmen for a year? I bet it’s cheaper to utilize the Canadian system using Indian made knock off drugs and the few Canadian Doctors who haven’t immigrated to the USA than it is to treat them under current Federal Mandates!
I don’t usually agree with Newt Gingrich lately, but during a question/answer period at the recent YAF convention he said something that made sense to me. A young lady asked what people who were fed up with their so-called “representatives” could do to effect a real change in DC. Newts answer was simply “Get involved yourself. Run for office, starting at the local level and work up. If you are old enough to hold a particular office and you’re unhappy with the incumbant … run against him/her”
A simple answer that too many of us fail to consider because – basically – most of us have to work a real job to support ourselves and/or a family. Plus it costs money, and the chances of the old guard GOP committee-men coughing up a few bucks to help seems to be a lost cause. But hey – this is what THEY do, isn’t it? They start with local PTA’s and school boards, then run for local town or city offices and up from there. So why can’t we? Why DON’T we?
If we don’t try to effectuate change ourselves – do we have the right to complain about the manner in which our opponents on the left go about ruining our country?
CiE – just consider the source of your quote before wasting your time on a correction. With lgm you’d be at it all day. How much free time do you have?
Jeebus – do you just make crap up as you go along? Where the HELL do you come up with your ridiculous assertion above? The last time I had a heart attack, the ER doctors asked my wife specifically if I had a health care proxy on file at the hospital or if she had a copy with her, or they were prepared to do “whatever it takes” to help me survive.
Does that sound to you like “experts making policy about what procedures to allow, and for whom.”?
The thought of imbeciles like you actually responsible for teaching our youth is truly a shocking thing.
Bruce,
You are correct but I enjoy breaking one off in LGM. Especially when his blind devotion to the American Soviet shows so brilliantly.