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1. #1
   On August 17th, 2009 at 9:50 am, DougT said:

   Wouldn’t it be cheaper to start a shuttle service to one of the European healthcare havens? Flights, departing from Central America to France, UK, Sweden, Germany and all other more medically enlightened countries, daily. Sponsored by the DNC.

2. #2
   On August 17th, 2009 at 9:55 am, moonsbreath said:

   This is the dirty little secret of one of the reasons why our insurance costs are so high that no one is mentioning.

3. #3
   On August 17th, 2009 at 9:55 am, spaceycakes said:

   No. No rationing. No care of any kind–health or otherwise. Arrest, fine, deport.

4. #4
   On August 17th, 2009 at 9:55 am, Dexter Alarius said:

   UMC has been spending about $2 million per month providing emergency dialysis services to 80 illegal immigrants

   ‘Scuse me?!
   Someone needs to look into this hospital’s practices and point out the things it’s NOT doing because it’s spending $2 million per month on illegals. That will get some attention.

5. #5
   On August 17th, 2009 at 9:57 am, iamsaved said:

   But under federal law, any patient who shows up at an emergency department requesting an examination or treatment for a medical condition must be given an appropriate medical screening to determine whether there is an emergency. If there is, treatment must be provided.

   The problem with the above is the question – what does it mean treatment must be provided. Most would agree that would mean treatment to stabilize and save the life of the patient. It doesn’t mean provide on-going dialysis into perpetuity.

   The illegal alien should be sent home ASAP in order to get the help they need under their country’s own socialized health care program. This could be expedited due to the medical condition of the patient.

   You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for. That my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”*

   * Adrian Rogers, 1931*

6. #6
   On August 17th, 2009 at 9:58 am, TigerLady said:

   Send illegals home and close the borders. Send the crooked politicians with them.

7. #7
   On August 17th, 2009 at 9:59 am, 7thson said:

   Mexico doesn’t want sick illegal immigrants back but both our political parties want their votes (along with all their family members currently in Mexico who will relocate here when they are given amnesty).

   It’s all about power to the politicians and country be d@mned.

8. #8
   On August 17th, 2009 at 10:01 am, JHSII said:

   Send them to Cuba. I hear that Cuba has much better health care than we do here in the USA. Michael Moore says so.

   /sarc – although the part about sending them to Cuba is not sarcasm

9. #9
   On August 17th, 2009 at 10:02 am, spaceycakes said:

   I am surrounded by idiots.

10. #10
    On August 17th, 2009 at 10:02 am, pueblo1032 said:

    MOONBREATH #2 has it right… This care for ILLEGALS is like the third rail… Nobody wants to touch it… If left unchecked it will devour our medical system… So we had better stop ignoring the so-called 600 pound GORILLA in the room…

11. #11
    On August 17th, 2009 at 10:03 am, GladzKravtz said:

    The illegal alien should be sent home ASAP in order to get the help they need under their country’s own socialized health care program.

    Wonder if that was discussed during Obama’s last trip south of the border … doubtful.

12. #12
    On August 17th, 2009 at 10:14 am, TigerLady said:

    We all seem to be surrounded by idiots. And they are running the country.

13. #13
    On August 17th, 2009 at 10:16 am, tarpon said:

    TROT reform and dumping illegals aliens off the dole will solve most of what ales the USA.

14. #14
    On August 17th, 2009 at 10:18 am, slp said:

    How many days constitutes an emergency for a dialysis patient?

15. #15
    On August 17th, 2009 at 10:19 am, GDSuffern said:

    Extrapolate that cool 2 mil across the board, in every state, for routine care and pregnancies…many times over…and you see a MAJOR problem.

    Two things:

    TORT REFORM.
    ILLEGALS OFF THE PUBLIC TEAT.

    Major savings STAT.

16. #16
    On August 17th, 2009 at 10:23 am, malkin_fan said:

    I bought a bird feeder. I hung it on my back porch and filled it with seed.. Within a week we had hundreds of birds taking advantage of the continuous flow of free and easily accessible food.

    But then the birds started building nests in the boards of the patio, above the table, and next to the barbecue.
    Then came the poop. It was everywhere: on the patio tile, the chairs, the table…everywhere.
    Then some of the birds turned mean. They would dive bomb me and try to peck me even though I had fed them out of my own pocket. And others birds were boisterous and loud: They sat on the feeder and squawked and screamed at all hours of the day and night and demanded that I fill it when it got low on food. After a while, I couldn’t even sit on my own back porch anymore.
    I took down the bird feeder and in three days the birds were gone. I cleaned up their mess and took down the many nests they had built all over the patio. Soon, the back yard was like it used to be…quite, serene and no one demanding their rights to a free meal.
    Now lets see…our government gives out free food, subsidized housing, free medical care, free education and allows anyone born here to be a automatic citizen.
    Then the illegals came by the tens of thousands. Suddenly our taxes went up to pay for free services. Small apartments are housing 5 families. You have to wait 6 hours to be seen by an emergency room doctor. Your child’s 2nd grade class is behind other schools because over half the class doesn’t speak English. Corn Flakes now come in a bilingual box. I have to press “one” to hear my bank talk to me in English, and people waving flags other than “Old Glory” are squawking and screaming in the streets, demanding more rights and free liberties.
    Maybe it’s time for the government to take down the bird feeder.

17. #17
    On August 17th, 2009 at 10:26 am, southsideironworks said:

    American doctors are free to open up clinics on the Mexico side of the border if they so choose.

18. #18
    On August 17th, 2009 at 10:26 am, cheapseat said:

    A QUICK FLIGHT TO GITMO, A MARCH TO THE GATE, AND VOILA FREE MEDICAL CARE VIA UNCLE FIDEL. PAYBACK FOR THE MARIEL BOAT LIFT.

19. #19
    On August 17th, 2009 at 10:33 am, luckydogg said:

    If we enforced ALL deportion laws we would be have cheaper health care,cheaper taxes,less prison pop.,on & on & on………..HEY!!!! How about clunkers for illegals…..Only if they SELF DEPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

20. #20
    On August 17th, 2009 at 10:35 am, TooMuchTime said:

    But our employees are also worried about the survival of UMC.

    Of everything that was said, this gem is the diamond in the rough.

    With The B.O. doing nothing (that is, only applying socialism) to fix the economy, the people working in the health care system now see their jobs slipping away due to illegal immigrants getting treatment, but not paying for it. And in tough times, you always look out for number 1 first.

    I wonder how many of these UMC workers were told by their union to vote for The B.O. and they gladly complied. Now, they can’t show their buyers remorse publicly. Otherwise, they’ll be chastised by the union. I’ll bet most are worried sick (pun intended) that they’ll lose their job.

    Maybe they should lose their jobs. Then someone from the RNC can stand outside the UMC offices as they come out with boxes full of their belongings in the arms. They could be given a flyer that says, “Votes have consequences.”

    Of course, since they voted for The B.O. in the first place, how smart can the be? I doubt they’d even understand what that means.

21. #21
    On August 17th, 2009 at 10:36 am, Cowboy said:

    Reminds me of that old Meryl Haggard song – We’ll all be drinking that free bubble up and eating that rainbow stew.

22. #22
    On August 17th, 2009 at 10:36 am, stillontheroad said:

    Anyone who Lives in SoCal can tell you what the illegals have done to Hospitals and Emergency room services – shutting down that is.

23. #23
    On August 17th, 2009 at 10:37 am, graysonret said:

    Most would agree that would mean treatment to stabilize and save the life of the patient. It doesn’t mean provide on-going dialysis into perpetuity.

    Yes, treatment needs to be provided for any emergency situation. It will be understood by the illegal that they will not receive any other than a stabilizing treatment, and no long-term arrangement. If a dialysis patient comes in, he/she should be treated, then advised that no more treatment will be provided. Of course, there will be cries of “racism” but it needs to be done. Politicians will oppose it because they come first, as in reelection and campaign funds.

24. #24
    On August 17th, 2009 at 10:38 am, TooMuchTime said:

    …how smart can the be?

    the=they

25. #25
    On August 17th, 2009 at 10:41 am, battleaxe said:

    We have an invasion force of over 10% of the Mexican population illegally living here in the US. We have the most advanced military in the world but are somehow incapable of defending our country.

    Neither party is willing or able to protect the border, cutoff federal funds to the illegal alien sanctuary towns, or force employers to pay for hiring illegals. Our two party system needs an overhaul, or to be put out to pasture and replaced with something that works, fast.

26. #26
    On August 17th, 2009 at 10:43 am, DesertLover said:

    As I posted in another thread a few days ago … it’s simple math …

    12 million (number of illegals)
    x $1500 (average ticket back home)
    = $18 billion

    No where near $1 trillion … and it’s a one time expenditure not a never ending expansion adding to the national debt …

27. #27
    On August 17th, 2009 at 10:51 am, MarcoPolo said:

    State’s rights. Whining about the lack of attention from los federales is what created the monster that sits high up on that hill in the first place.

    If Michele Obama can figure out how to dump patients and get away with it, so can this hospital.

28. #28
    On August 17th, 2009 at 10:59 am, CrazyFool said:

    On August 17th, 2009 at 10:14 am, TigerLady said:

    We all seem to be surrounded by idiots. And they are running the country.

    No, they keep voting in those who are running the country.

    Between that and the media who refuses to to their job and inform the voters we are pretty much screwed.

29. #29
    On August 17th, 2009 at 11:00 am, tonyr951 said:

    Illegal Aliens are only taking the health care Americans don’t want to take

30. #30
    On August 17th, 2009 at 11:10 am, DogBreath said:

    On August 17th, 2009 at 10:35 am, TooMuchTime said:

    “Votes have consequences.”

    Non-votes also have consequences. This to all those idiots who protested the choices available in the last election by staying home or voting for a sure loser, third party candidate. Congratulations.

31. #31
    On August 17th, 2009 at 11:12 am, fairyfoose said:

    This is the problem where I work, at a Childrens’ Hospital in the Bay Area.

    One of the Hospital’s Motto’s is `We Will Refuse Care To No One.’ That’s fine, but we are losing money like a sieve.

    When the California Proposition (Was it 187?) about Immigration and Healthcare went thru a few years back, the whole of the Outpt Clinics were almost dead. There was such a dramatic drop off of business, we were hardly IN business. And what was the response from Mgmt? To send out press releases, get the word out to the immigrant community that we would NOT ask status. The business came back and has only increased.

32. #32
    On August 17th, 2009 at 11:25 am, Fenguri said:

    I don’t understand.

    An illegal goes to the emergency room. He needs dialysis. He gets it — ONCE. No more. If he doesn’t get his butt back home for more care, game over! End of story!

    There is no way that we as taxpayers, citizens, and payers of health care insurance should have to bear the load for illegals — particularly since so many come here expressly to suck up our medical generosity.

    This must stop!

33. #33
    On August 17th, 2009 at 11:31 am, rightisright said:

    On August 17th, 2009 at 9:55 am, spaceycakes said:

    No. No rationing. No care of any kind–health or otherwise. Arrest, fine, deport.

    Now I like that idea a whole lot…get back where their from. No more immigrants at the present time, moratorium needed on immigration, PERIOD.

34. #34
    On August 17th, 2009 at 11:33 am, txvet2 said:

    On August 17th, 2009 at 11:10 am, DogBreath said:

    Here’s an idea: Why don’t you stop blaming everybody else because you ran an incompetent campaign, McCain?

35. #35
    On August 17th, 2009 at 11:36 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On August 17th, 2009 at 10:16 am, tarpon said:
    TROT reform and dumping illegals aliens off the dole will solve most of what ales the USA.

    I had trot reform once, when I ate a bad burrito. I had the trots for two days.

36. #36
    On August 17th, 2009 at 11:42 am, rightisright said:

    On August 17th, 2009 at 10:23 am, malkin_fan said:

    Perfect analogy, couldn’t be more true. The solution is not as difficult as our non-representatives want us to think.

37. #37
    On August 17th, 2009 at 11:46 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Here’s an idea: Why don’t you stop blaming everybody else because you ran an incompetent campaign, McCain?

    That egotistical little jerk in convinced He is the One.

38. #38
    On August 17th, 2009 at 11:53 am, Flyoverman said:

    The difference between illegal alien healthcare and my healthcare is I have to pay a co-pay.

    The democrats are willing to bankrupt the largest state in the Union in the hopes of picking up votes.

39. #39
    On August 17th, 2009 at 11:53 am, Cowboy said:

    McCain was the problem but the republican party created that monster by allowing open primaries. Close them to allow only registered republicans to vote in the primaries and we might get a true conservative on the ticket again.

40. #40
    On August 17th, 2009 at 11:55 am, Jersey Joe said:

    Wait until we find out that the Obama plan to increase the number of health care professionals to care for the 46,000,000 (or more)mainly illegal aliens has already been negotiated. Secret agreements with India to provide thousands of medical doctors, and with the Philippine government to provide thousands of nurses are underway, to issue Obamacare visas as soon as the Ted Kennedy Memorial Health Insurance Reform Act becomes law.

41. #41
    On August 17th, 2009 at 12:00 pm, nbarry said:

    This may be somewhat off topic, but last week, the Feds raided two Long Island bars that catered to illegals for trafficking in illegal alien hookers. According to news accounts, the Feds may grant these hookers special visas to legalize their status because they are “victims” irrespective of what they did in their countries of origin. So now we have prostitutes getting fast-tracked to citizenship while hard-working, law abiding applicants to immigrate here legally have to sit on 25-year wait lists until their productive years are behind them. Your tax dollars at work.

42. #42
    On August 17th, 2009 at 12:01 pm, rambler said:

    What caused this massive sympathy for illegals in the first place? They seem to be treated more like the “stray dog followed me home – can I keep him” syndrome. There has been little attempt to have them be productive, but rather to enslave them as cheep labor, hook them on the drug of entitlement and to keep them on the outside looking in. Giving them amnesty only allows them to get more entitlements. The left really isn’t interested in fixing the problem, but rather to use this group as the latest “victim” to club the American public into submission. A day doesn’t go by without the left equating unfairness with bigotry. Yes, it isn’t fair that illegals mostly come from countries which create few opportunities for them and their situation was not created by us, nor can it be fixed by us. The left is all about using victims to advance lefty causes and really not interested in fixing anything. Victims must know their places. Let them eat cake!

43. #43
    On August 17th, 2009 at 12:07 pm, xler8bmw said:

    Cry Me A River!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Send them packing back to whereever they came when they’re stablized to fly!

    IICE should be doing patrols in our hhospitals!

44. #44
    On August 17th, 2009 at 12:19 pm, Mister P said:

    So under ObamaCare, anyone in the world can take a trip to the good old USA and demand treatment?

45. #45
    On August 17th, 2009 at 12:23 pm, b-cat said:

    Watch. No longer do leftist politicians talk about how unfair the US is to its “black” citizens. It is now “blacks and latinos”.

    They are building a grievancy bloc.

46. #46
    On August 17th, 2009 at 12:30 pm, Jet Jaguar said:

    Any elected official who votes to help illegal aliens break our laws should have their salary taxed 100% to help defray costs.

47. #47
    On August 17th, 2009 at 12:38 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    I assume many of you have already been alerted to this but for those who may have missed it -

    “Testimony of illegal alien care from 1 Florida hospital”

48. #48
    On August 17th, 2009 at 12:42 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    b-cat said: Watch. No longer do leftist politicians talk about how unfair the US is to its “black” citizens. It is now “blacks and latinos”. They are building a grievancy bloc.

    Which mysteriously dissolves whenever the two are at odds with each other concerning such things as New Haven firefighter promotions…

49. #49
    On August 17th, 2009 at 12:43 pm, b-cat said:

    On August 17th, 2009 at 12:42 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    I didn’t claim they were logical.

50. #50
    On August 17th, 2009 at 12:46 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    Jet Jaguar said: Any elected official who votes to help illegal aliens break our laws should have their salary taxed 100% to help defray costs be tarred, feathered and frog marched down the Capital steps.

    fixed

51. #51
    On August 17th, 2009 at 12:51 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    b-cat said:

    Actually they established a flexible bloc a long time ago with their catch-all phrase – “women, children and minorities”

    Naaa, there’s no racism in that…/sarc

52. #52
    On August 17th, 2009 at 12:56 pm, traveler49 said:

    All you people saying to deport the illegals are really going to piss the Chambers of Commerce off.

53. #53
    On August 17th, 2009 at 1:07 pm, shooter said:

    10:23 am, malkin_fan

    That’s one of the best I’ve read!

    Good one!

54. #54
    On August 17th, 2009 at 1:12 pm, max said:

    But under federal law, any patient who shows up at an emergency department requesting an examination or treatment for a medical condition must be given an appropriate medical screening to determine whether there is an emergency. If there is, treatment must be provided.

    this puts the lie to this whole health care debate. We already HAVE universal health care… and it’s NOT WORKING!

55. #55
    On August 17th, 2009 at 1:17 pm, tiredofit08 said:

    ration health care for illegals? keep the border secured and them out in the first place…then anyone who hires even one goes to jail for 5 years and a $50K fine for each illegal they hired for small companies and make it a whopping $500K per illegal for any large corp.

56. #56
    On August 17th, 2009 at 1:19 pm, Regulus said:

    What’s interesting about this situation is that while we’re going to be providing free health care to illegal aliens in the USA, how many of our health-care providers are going to end up just across the border in Mexico if ObamaCare is imposed here?

57. #57
    On August 17th, 2009 at 1:24 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    On August 17th, 2009 at 11:10 am, DogBreath said:

    What a stupid post. So tell me, oh follower of the stupid party regardless of their liberal platforms, just what would mcamensty have done differently on this issue? NOTHING!!! He proposed and CHAMPIONED amnesty in case you forgot. There is not a bit of difference between mcamensty and obummer on illegal immigration. Geez.

58. #58
    On August 17th, 2009 at 1:38 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    The solution is not to give them health insurance, but to turn off the magnets that draw them to enter illegally in the first place.

    Absolutely correct. End the magnets.
    No jobs
    No welfare
    No anchor babies
    No hope of citizenship
    Minimum 2 years prison for entering the country illegally a 2nd time
    Make English the official language (just to make it harder to survive here illegally)

    Take away the reasons that brought them here in the first place, and they will leave over time.

    I heard one of these illeglas this AM talking about her 4, yes 4, children. Dollars to doughnuts all 4 are anchor babies. Antoher thing, the number needing dialysis seems high for 1 area. Could it be that Mexico is encouraging those with kidney problems to come here illegally for free care? We are being sh*t on by a 3rd world country and our pols do nothing about it. Pathetic.

59. #59
    On August 17th, 2009 at 1:49 pm, tonyr951 said:

    On August 17th, 2009 at 10:23 am, malkin_fan said:

    I bought a bird feeder. I hung it on my back porch and filled it with seed.. Within a week we had hundreds of birds taking advantage of the continuous flow of free and easily accessible food.

    Same here, was having to fill it up with free (for the birds) seed every couple of days.

    So I opened a second bird feeder, thinking it would reduce the load on the first one and allow me to go more days between filling them up.

    Wrong.

    All that happened was more birds showed up for all the extra free (for the birds) food.

60. #60
    On August 17th, 2009 at 2:03 pm, RedDog said:

    Here’s a solution. Federal agencies directly responsible for enforcing immigration laws should be shut down by state authorities until they can satisfactorily demonstrate due diligence in that regard. If they claim “immunity” from state action, shut off their utilities until they change their minds. If Washington plays hardball with federal funds, multi-state alliances, like a domestic NATO, should kick into action and force the hand of the federal bureaucracy by denying them their coveted tax dollars and ceremonially recalling senators from Washington (can’t really do that now).

    The federal government is growing daily in power and intimidation. It is a de facto socialist monopoly from top to bottom, and fashioned over the last 60 years by using our own public education system to indoctrinate our little darlings into the “socialist way”. This cental government thing is not a wart but a metastisizing tumor. Far from the original intent of the Founders the federal government views itself (via it’s “elected” lords) as the power and glory of American society, and views the States and People with contempt.

61. #61
    On August 17th, 2009 at 2:04 pm, dominigan said:

    On August 17th, 2009 at 11:10 am, DogBreath said:

    Non-votes also have consequences. This to all those idiots who protested the choices available in the last election by staying home or voting for a sure loser, third party candidate. Congratulations.

    You are absolutely correct… and God willing, I’ll never have to vote for a RINO loser like McCain again!!!

62. #62
    On August 17th, 2009 at 2:05 pm, dominigan said:

    Principles over Party!

63. #63
    On August 17th, 2009 at 2:36 pm, Nikita said:

    Michelle hit it out of the ball park back in May.

    http://michellemalkin.com/2009/05/13/big-labors-investment-in-obama-pays-off/

    Anyone else surprised by which open borders crowd really runs UMC?

    http://www.seiunv.org/

    “Berrera prays that UMC will never stop giving dialysis help to everybody.

    “My husband is in jail now,” she said, stressing that other family members were watching her (four) children while she was in the hospital.”

    *shakes head*

64. #64
    On August 17th, 2009 at 3:34 pm, Ragspierre said:

    No care of any kind–health or otherwise. Arrest, fine, deport.

    It is an incredible dereliction of duty by those charged with securing this nation that this simple recipe is not followed.

    It would work every time it was tried.

    Additionally, all oil purchased from Mexico is bought from PemMex, unless I am mistaken. Our Federal and state governments should simply withhold all funds owning the Mexican government, or take them as receivers from US firms, to compensate for these health care costs. Those costs are being knowingly transferred to American tax payers by Mexican officials, and that would at least stop that looting.

65. #65
    On August 17th, 2009 at 4:05 pm, Speakup said:

    Why should Las Vegas be any different or the rest of country for that matter.

    Is the concern over sanctuaries for illegal aliens going to change when hospitals in Connecticut close?

    Hmmm where and why is Obamacare going?
    Surely not to illegal aliens for political reasons…Yes!!!
    

    Illegal Aliens Drive Another Hospital To Closure
    By Digger

    Here’s a nice article from the New York Times on the recent announcement by Northridge Hospital Medical Center that they will be closing by December 31.

    This follows a recent announcement of the closure of the emergency room at Elastar Community Hospital in East Los Angeles.

    Four other emergency rooms have closed in the county in the last two years. The reason given is the high cost of treating uninsured people. The article also states that 70 hospital emergency rooms and trauma centers have closed in California since 1990.

    “We’re mandated to treat anyone who comes in through those doors, regardless of their ability to pay,” Tracey Veal, a spokeswoman for the Northridge hospital, said.

    Ms. Veal estimated that the hospital had spent $13 million on so-called charity care in the fiscal year that ended on June 30.

    While the New York Times does not exactly specify illegal aliens as the cause, it is quite obvious by these numbers.

    “This is definitely cause for alarm,” Carol Meyer, director of the Los Angeles County Emergency Medical Services Agency, said on Friday in an interview.

    Ms. Meyer said 30 percent of the nine million people in the county were underinsured or had no medical insurance at all. Statewide, seven million people are uninsured, according to the California Medical Association.

    So, lets break these numbers down. 30% of 9 million is about 3.3 million people or nearly half of the 7 million in California that are uninsured, That’s just in their county.

66. #66
    On August 17th, 2009 at 5:18 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    undocumented immigrants

    Obama is “undocumented” until the State of Hawaii releases his vital records.

    The State of Hawaii has never authenticated the COLB produced at and by the Obama campaign headquarters.

    Obama is not exempt from this law:

    All employees, citizens and noncitizens, hired after November 6, 1986 and working in the United States must complete a Form I-9, Employment Eligibility Verification.

    It’s time to cough up the documents, Barack.
    No more getting away with being “undocumented”.

67. #67
    On August 17th, 2009 at 8:11 pm, conservative in europe said:

    There is one benefit if we do pass Obamacare;

    All those pesky Canadian and European doctors who immigrate to the USA every year may decide to go home. Good riddance, bloodsucking leaches..

    /sarc off..

68. #68
    On August 17th, 2009 at 8:18 pm, BOB said:

    I have been hearing “12 million illegals” in the USA for about 10 years now. During that time they have poured over the border at an estimated 1 million/year. Doesn’t that mean we have at least 22 million illegal aliens now?

    I wish the use of “12 million” would stop.

69. #69
    On August 17th, 2009 at 9:21 pm, Leatherneck said:

    Sue Mexico. Stop to illegal alien invasion now!

70. #70
    On August 17th, 2009 at 11:40 pm, old goat said:

    With regards to dialysis — if you come to the ED everytime you are extremely sick they have to give you dialysis. No matter how many times. The law.

    EMS by the border frequently has people sneak across to call 911 so they can get good medical care. Other countries send ill citizens on planes to the US, knowing our EDs HAVE to treat them.

    I work in EMS and see it constantly. We’re rarely paid by illegals. They sometimes walk into the ED DEMANDING medical care. They know their rights and want it now.

    My relative owns an instacare and can’t believe how many illegals saunter in demanding immediate FREE care. They are stunned to discover that instacares aren’t required to help them without cash. (They help if somebody is dying of course–send the others on)

    We need to stop these people at the border. They cost us a FORTUNE in health care. Add TORT reform and you will solve major (not all) health care problems.

71. #71
    On August 18th, 2009 at 12:42 am, happy2behere said:

    I just returned from a mission trip to a South American country where we met a young man who had diabetes and could not afford his medicine. What does his government do for him? Nothing.

    We took up collection but we knew it was only temporary and that he would eventually die. I prayed because that was the only other thing I could do. It would be wonderful if the US could help everybody, but we can’t.

    Unless one wants to collapse them whole system. Perhaps that is the goal.

72. #72
    On August 18th, 2009 at 1:29 am, DogBreath said:

    On August 17th, 2009 at 11:33 am, txvet2 said:

    On August 17th, 2009 at 1:24 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    So I take you’re both happy with the outcome of the last election?

    I never said McCain was a great candidate. He was just the lesser of two evils. I considered not voting but opted to vote for less evil. Besides, with the strain of the presidency, I would have been surprised if he lasted the full term.

    If you’re waiting for perfection you’re not going to find it on the ballot. Try Luke 24:53.

73. #73
    On August 18th, 2009 at 6:14 am, BOB said:

    On August 18th, 2009 at 1:29 am, DogBreath said:

    I never said McCain was a great candidate. He was just the lesser of two evils. I considered not voting but opted to vote for less evil. Besides, with the strain of the presidency, I would have been surprised if he lasted the full term.

    I too voted for the lesser of two evils….but I had no idea at the time how much of a lesser evil McCain would be….after seeing Obama and company in action, now I know.

74. #74
    On August 18th, 2009 at 7:11 am, DogBreath said:

    On August 18th, 2009 at 6:14 am, BOB said:

    but I had no idea at the time how much of a lesser evil McCain would be…

    True. I could not imagine McCain being worse. At least I know he loves his country. The one loves only himself.

75. #75
    On August 18th, 2009 at 9:33 am, Weary Citizen said:

    On August 18th, 2009 at 1:29 am, DogBreath said:

    Great strategy!! Has worked so well over the past 2 decades hasn’t it? Every year the GOP decides it needs to move more middle and pander to more minorities. And true to form they trot out an ever more liberal candidate. By your thought process, a vote for Stalin is better than a vote for Hitler because he is less evil. Look, vote for who you want. But there is no way in h*ll I was going to validate the gop platform of amensty by voting for that idiot. Had mcamnesty won, the next gop candidate would be rahm emanuel or hillary. The 2 party system is ruining this nation. And until the strngelhold is broken and we have viable options, we will continue our march towrd 3rd country status. I will no longer vote lesser of 2 evils. I vote for the candidates based on their values, not because they have an “r” next to their name. And on the issue of illegal immigration, I ask again, just how is mcamensty differnt on this issue? Living in Texas and watching my state being overrun has made this the priority issue that affects many aspects of our lives (economy, quality of life, crime, etc). And it is srpeading at an alarming rate across the nation.

76. #76
    On August 18th, 2009 at 1:21 pm, BOB said:

    On August 18th, 2009 at 9:33 am, Weary Citizen said:
    On August 18th, 2009 at 1:29 am, DogBreath said:
    Great strategy!! Has worked so well over the past 2 decades hasn’t it? Every year the GOP decides it needs to move more middle and pander to more minorities. And true to form they trot out an ever more liberal candidate. By your thought process, a vote for Stalin is better than a vote for Hitler because he is less evil. Look, vote for who you want. But there is no way in h*ll I was going to validate the gop platform of amensty by voting for that idiot. Had mcamnesty won, the next gop candidate would be rahm emanuel or hillary. The 2 party system is ruining this nation. And until the strngelhold is broken and we have viable options, we will continue our march towrd 3rd country status. I will no longer vote lesser of 2 evils. I vote for the candidates based on their values, not because they have an “r” next to their name. And on the issue of illegal immigration, I ask again, just how is mcamensty differnt on this issue? Living in Texas and watching my state being overrun has made this the priority issue that affects many aspects of our lives (economy, quality of life, crime, etc). And it is srpeading at an alarming rate across the nation.

    So, by Obama winning we don’t get amnesty? When did that happen? I can’t stand McCain and I voted for him. As far as I am concerned Obama has validated the correctness, (in many, many ways), of my decision. I could have voted third party, but the total third party vote would have still been less than 1%. If the choice is between pain and intense pain, this might be silly, but I’ll go with plain old pain any day.

    Amnesty is a huge issue to me also, but it’s not the only issue. With McCain we could have spent a lot more of our time fighting amnesty because we would not be fighting the entire wish list of pent-up far left dreams.

77. #77
    On August 18th, 2009 at 2:08 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    On August 18th, 2009 at 1:21 pm, BOB said:

    Amnesty is coming from BOTH parties (proving that the 2 party system is destroying this nation). I just chose not to validate the gop amnesty supporting platform by voting for their candidate. You on the other hand, did just that. The gop, especially the candidate you voted for, told the entire republican base to screw itself then called us “bigots” “nativists” etc when we didn’t support amnesty. Also, mcamensty supported the stimulus bill and bailouts. He also supported mccain/feingold. Hmmm, remind me again of his conservative priciples. The only difference I have seen so far between the 2 is the health care fiasco. By voting lesser of 2 evils and voting “r” no matter what, you are validating the gop move to the left on issues. Again, why should the party ever change if they know you will always vote for them no matter what.

    And 1 more thing before you go blaming voters who voted their principles for obummers win, if all the independent candidates votes were added to mcamensty’s total count, he would have still lost. If the gop wants my vote, they will start abiding by conservative pronciples in general and denounce amnesty. They have failed miserably on all counts. Till then, I will weigh the candidates and vote accordngly. Not mindlessly pull the handle for the “r”. I realize mcamensty won the primary, but if he is truly the face of the gop, then I want nothing to do with it as a party.

78. #78
    On August 18th, 2009 at 4:41 pm, cheapseat said:

    IF OUR JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SENT 100 EMPLOYERS OF ILLEGALS TO PRISON AND FINED ANOTHER 1000, THIS CRAP WOULD CEASE AND DESIST.

79. #79
    On August 18th, 2009 at 5:08 pm, Dimsdale said:

    Fix the 14th Amendment: make citizenship follow the parents. If your mother or father or both are U.S. citizens, then you are a citizen. If not, you take the citizenship of the country of one or the other, but you do not assume citizenship by simply being born here.

    This is one of the things France has right: as in most other countries, but differing from the US, children born in France to tourists or short term visitors do not acquire French citizenship by virtue of birth in France: residency must be proven.

    If we must catch up with the rest of the world, as the Dems are fond of saying, then let it begin here.

80. #80
    On August 18th, 2009 at 6:24 pm, theporch said:

    tarpon— you have it 100% correct about tort reform and blocking illegals and sending them home for health care. I think if just one politician stood up and yelled this it would be a miracle.

81. #81
    On August 18th, 2009 at 6:28 pm, theporch said:

    And if you think illegals from south of the border is a problem, look out for the muslim population growth in this country. They are encouraged to have multiple wives and all the children possible. They will take over this country without firing a shot.

82. #82
    On August 18th, 2009 at 7:01 pm, BOB said:

    On August 18th, 2009 at 6:28 pm, theporch said:
    And if you think illegals from south of the border is a problem, look out for the muslim population growth in this country. They are encouraged to have multiple wives and all the children possible. They will take over this country without firing a shot.

    The illegal Mexicans won’t give it up easily.

83. #83
    On August 18th, 2009 at 9:47 pm, Teddy Kennedy said:

    Errah the solution is so simple. Offer them a free bus ride to free health care in their home country. Problem solved.

84. #84
    On August 18th, 2009 at 9:53 pm, BOB said:

    Weary Citizen…turns out it didn’t matter who either of us voted for. My vote, by the way wasn’t “mindless”. I refused to do anything that would increase the probability of Obama being elected. If the only difference you can see between McCain and Obama up to this point is health care, maybe you should open your eyes and take a closer look.

85. #85
    On August 19th, 2009 at 12:03 am, DogBreath said:

    On August 18th, 2009 at 2:08 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    If the gop wants my vote, they will start abiding by conservative pronciples in general and denounce amnesty….Not mindlessly pull the handle for the “r”.

    Great strategy. You really taught them nasty GOPers a lesson. Meanwhile, the entire country’s heading to hell in a handbasket. Just take your ball, go home and pout.

    If you want pure conservative candidates you’ve got to grow them from seed. Idealism is great, priciples are great, but reality is where we all have to live.

    I considered staying home, voting for a third party candidate or writing in my choice, but in the end I voted for the better of two terrible candidates. Even though, in WA State, I knew there was no chance in Hades of McCain getting the nod.

    Thanks Bob.

    DB

86. #86
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:54 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    My vote, by the way wasn’t “mindless”.

    Actually, you are wrong. See, you pulled the lever for the “r” “mindlessly” because, well, he isn’t a “d”. I actually looked at all the options and decided there were better candidates than the “r” this time around. Which takes more effort?

    If the only difference you can see between McCain and Obama up to this point is health care, maybe you should open your eyes and take a closer look.

    Prove it. I will give him the nod on the military, but that’s it. Mcamensty’s past record shows he has no trouble “reaching across the asile” and telling conservatives to screw off on social and domestic issues. Just what has ahppened so far that mcamensty would have done better? I trust the SOB about as far as I can throw him.

    Meanwhile, the entire country’s heading to hell in a handbasket

    Ha. With mcamensty we get a train ride to h*ll. WIth obummer we get a plane ride. Either way, the republican party under current managment is taking us there as well. open your eyes.

    but in the end I voted for the better of two terrible candidates

    So, no matter what, you will ALWAYS vote for the “r” as long as he/she is 1 degree better than the “d”? If not, when do you say “I just can’t support his paltform any longer”? See, I reached that point. I figure it is better to address the issu now rather than later because both parties are moving further left each year. Again, how in the world does voting for a bad candidate, because he is not as bad as the other, in any way send a message to the gop that the recent past platform and actions were misguided and an affront to conservative pronciples? Answer. It doesn’t. It validates those misguided strategies.

    Look, if either of you think you are stating anything not stated here before, you are sorely mistaken. This has been rehashed 500 times between others like myself and die hard, party first, republicans. I voted 3rd party and would do it again. And if the idiots trot out a mcamnesty type candidate in 2012, I will do it again. Vote for who you like, but I will no longer vote purely because they have an “r” next to their name. Put a decent candidate up that has not proven their disdain for conservatives opposed to amnesty/2nd amendment/balanced budgets and I will vote for them.