Profile in congressional cowardice
Yesterday afternoon, I noted that Florida Democrat Rep. Alan Grayson was taking sanctuary in a union hall for his hastily scheduled town hall meeting.
How did it go?
The Orlando Sentinel was there and profiled the craven and cowardly performance:
Grayson’s hastily called meeting took place in the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers union hall, which limited attendance to about 120 members of the public. It also was scheduled just after a regular meeting of local Democrats, some of whom stayed behind for the town hall in the scarce seats.
Outside the building, hundreds of frustrated people who could not get inside waved signs and chanted for and against the proposals.
Police cars blocked off the streets in an attempt to calm protesters. Overall, the event was peaceful, but police said one man was arrested. Witnesses said he pushed another person trying to record the event on a camcorder. By the time it was over about 10 p.m., police nearly outnumbered those outside.
So many people were chanting early on that what they said was often unintelligible. At one point, Andy Showen, 49, of Orlando, angry he couldn’t get in, pulled on a side door until police officers stopped him.
“You’re a real hero,” he told an officer. “You just stopped me from talking to my congressman.”
He put up his wrists, asking officers to arrest him. They walked him away instead.
Despite the shouting, some voters actually talked to one another. Earlier, Showen, who described himself as a “libertarian capitalist,” talked with a woman who said capitalism was immoral, he said. They never agreed on health care but shared similar views on executive pay.
Others were annoyed and unmoved.
“I’ve given up,” said Carmen Simeone, who opted to protest outside. “I understand what’s going on. He’s stacked the deck.”
PJ Gladnick has more at Newsbusters.
Rachel Pereira was there.
Reader Lawrence e-mails: “Alan Grayson (D-FL) falsely claimed the Town Hall at Union Hall was announced 72 hours in advance and promoted by multiple media outlets. We contacted FOX 35 News in Orlando who stated they were notified “last night” and said they have been contacting Grayson’s office as well as Suzanne Kosmas’ daily. Grayson only announced this last night after having arranged it with OFA and HCAN and the IBEW with their publicity march on Friday.”
You won’t be surprised to learn that Grayson employed the human kiddie shield strategy by bringing his own three children to the meeting and repeatedly invoking them when things got heated.
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Sounds like the Police did a great job (as usual).
The Congressman? Not so much.
Don’t give up ! Protesting outside and showing your fellow countrymen that the representatives are insulating themselves with cronies works as well or better than talking directly to the representative and presenting the “Petition for Redress of Grievance”.
It has got to be a very eerie feeling for an elected official to be preaching indoors to a hand-picked crowd of 100 when there are thousands of angry voters outside protesting against you. There must be a moment when he asks himself “What am I doing? Who am I kidding?”
Since these weasels are determined to not hear, why not just boo loudly non-stop for a couple of hours? Kind of like a tantric mantra. Very zen for us, deeply disturbing for the elected weasel. Worth a try.
Was the arrested pusher of video recording a union thug?
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King Louis XVI didn’t like getting close to those smelly French peasants either. He thought he could abuse them, tax them, and ignore them at will.
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Madame DeFarge (not a real pearson), French Patriots, and others arranged a REALLY SHORT HAIRCUT for the King and his lovely wife Marie (let them eat cake) Antoinette!
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Ask the Congressman (one of our so-called “representatives”) if he would like the American People to “trim him up a little around the ears” in the 2010 election!
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John Bibb
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So if capitalism is immoral, you are left with only one thing: communism, and to not be immoral, it would have to be world wide.
This is disgraceful. But Grayson isn’t all bad. He is doing great work exposing the fed and treasury in their rip off of the American people.
A rip off that dwarfs the health care ripoff I might add.
Here is an example…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8
Look, he’s like my Congressman. Nothing will sway the Pelosi Puppets. They are robots. Who knows why they are the way they are.
I actually do not care why, nor should you. Accept the fact that they are and if you live in their district work day and might to remove them on November 2, 2010.
Exactly right, Fly. This August congressional vacation is a wonderful opportunity to see what our Senators and Reps are made of, and then to do what is necessary in 2010 and beyond.
I’m guessing Mr. Showen’s view on executive pay is that it is an issue between the executive and the board members and shareholders of the company, and the government has no business meddling. If the woman agrees with that, there may be hope for her. Good job, Mr. Showen.
My congressman is refusing to hold any meetings. My senators are doing phone-in meetings with their supporters. Their staff aren’t interested in “dissenters” phone calls. They admit not knowing what’s in the bill while telling me how great it is.
Maybe if our republicans in Congress would come up with their OWN detailed bill, people would see their options on election day. What in the hell are we paying these people for?
Holy mackerel! Where did the Orlando Sentinel find any journalists?
MM, the phrase “congressional cowardice” is straight out of the Dept of Redundancy Dept. I’ve never seen a group of congresscritters that was so eager to go against the will of the people, and that’s saying something!
Badda bing!
I believe there is a GOP proposal, but you NEVER hear about it. From what I understand, it consists of changes to regulation that would cost the taxpayers … zip!
JUST REMEMBER THESE SAME SLUGS WILL BE BACK NEXT AUGUST TO FILL US WITH PLATITUDES OF THEIR CONCERN FOR YOU. THEY WILL BE BEGGING YOU FOR YOUR VOTE. JUST AS THEY SAY NO TO YOU TODAY, JUST SAY NO NEXT YEAR.
At least this guy showed up. My congressman, John Spratt (D-SC), has a footie ache and says he can’t possibly do a townhall. He just can’t. He can’t stand on his footie. Wheelchair? you ask. Nope. Can’t. Just can’t. It’s impossible.
The dems are now changing their tune and saying this is about insurance reform. If we had true insurance reform, it wouldn’t take 1000 pages. For starters, they could make it possible for us to purchase insurance across state lines and eliminate certain state mandates. Why should I pay three times as much for a policy in one state because I live in a neighboring state? How about renewing the push for HSAs? It would save most consumers money if they paid for routine and ordinary care tax free and saved insurance for actual emergencies and unexpected events.
These wormy politicians are both moral and physical cowards of the worst kind. Kick them out of the public feeding trough and never let them return.
rubbish!
He would probably fit right in with the politician generals we have in the military today. All talk and no fight. What the hell has happen to this country? Sad thing this clown will probably be re-elected.
Hear hear!
If they treated car insurance the way they do health insurance:
mandated covered oil changes every 4000 miles.
mandated covered tune-ups annually.
mandated covered wiper blades annually.
Burnt out bulb? Covered.
your insurance would have to pay to fix pre-existing dents.
AUTOCARE would only pay ‘providers’ 40% of the actual cost of changing the oil or fixing dents, driving up the cost for those with private insurance, or forcing many car clinics out of business.
I hate the thought of having to depend on the “blue dogs” to stave off our own imitation of Cuba’s or North Korea’s health care systems, but where’s the alternative?
The vast majority of donks are going to return to La-La Land in September and vote for socialism: either because they won’t think for themselves and let Nancy & Harry do it for them, or because they really are stupid and arrogant enough to believe that it’ll actually work.
That’s why those of them who don’t just blow off the town hall meetings are treating them like charades, to let the Rubes go on with the delusion that their opinions matter.
And not only are the Republicans behind the power curve when it comes to grasping the depth of public anger at what the donks are attempting, they don’t have the numbers to stop it even if they were able to get their act together.
That leaves the blue dogs.
We have about one year to fight a delaying action using those most fickle and unreliable of “allies.” I’m not at all optimistic of success, for by year’s end they’ll probably roll over and let pass some Trojan Horse “compromise” that will turn into full-blown socialism later on.
But if we can hold the line, then even if the 2010 elections don’t produce a Republican-controlled House they’ll likely do away with the donks’ filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, after which we can put the cork back into the bottle until 2012.
One year. That seems like such a long time…
Henry Limpet: I wish, I wish I were a fish.
The police and the Democrats should keep treating the anti reform screamers like children. Then can come inside as soon as they learn to behave themselves.
“Maybe if our republicans in Congress would come up with their OWN detailed bill, people would see their options on election day.”
Two things.
1. They have. John Kyl has been talking about it for some time. And it addresses the uninsured, etc.
2. Tell us more about your thinking? The fix is to have a Republican bill? So government involvement is ok as long as its Republican?
At what point do recall petitions start?
When will some enterprising individual put together a web site with a How To on recalling their own elected fool in their own state?
lgm can only come inside if he takes a shower & puts on a whole pair of shoes (no hemp sandals).
Yes, nothing childish about scheduling the ‘town hall meeting’ in a union hall immediately following a meeting of the Democrat party. Hey, if a member of the hoi polloi can’t get a seat, too bad!
/lgm-mode off
This assumes that even if Republicans were able to craft such a bill, they’d be able to break through the media blockade to inform the American People of what’s in it.
Not a safe assumption.
If I were leading Republican efforts at health-care reform, I’d begin on the foundation that any proposed legislation without a “John Edwards Clause” (i.e., tort reform) and a massive increase of auditing and enforcement against waste, fraud and abuse of the system isn’t really “reform.”
Then I’d keep pounding away at those two criteria, because (1) I’d know that there’s no way the donks would ever include such provisions; and (2) there’s no way that they could refuse to undertake such genuine reforms and square it with the electorate.
Then I’d leave it to the American People to figure out for themselves what the donks are really interested in when they say, “health care reform.”
Someone has.
If only MM would apply the same standard to your posts.
Go to your room!
They’re not anti-reform. The government is not the only solution for rising health care costs.
Well, for what ist worth you can see what the GOP proposes by going to healthcare.gopleader.gov.
Not that you’d ever find this out from the state run media.
In some ways, the government is the reason for rising health care costs.
Salt said (#33):
OK. It would be more correct to call them “anti health care reforms currently under wide discussion”.
True in principle, but there are no serious proposals on the table without at least government insurance mandates that have any chance of accomplishing the two related goals:
1. bring down the cost of health care — or at least “bend the curve”
2. provide health care to all or most US citizens
The second is necessary for the first because Americans (a large majority of them anyway) are not willing to let their fellows go without health care. Emergency rooms are available to anyone.
I appreciate that you repeatedly zoom into the heart of the issue as you have here.
Like the SEIU thugs that attack protesters?
ECS
Ahh, but it is. Or at least could be – under the system as it exists now.
There are health care facilities all over the country, and in every population area of the country, that will treat any and all comers. If a person is unable to pay for their health care, there are charitible organizations that routinely seek out health care providers to pay for those who can not. They make their assistance available to all who need it – all you have to do is ask.
Unfortunately, most will not ask. They either don’t understand that the help they need is available to them – free – or they are too “proud” to accept “charity”. And so millions and billions of dollars go unspent simply because of some false sense of “pride”.
But those that are too “proud” to accept “charity” are never too “proud” to accept (DEMAND) “charity” from the government. They see government “charity” as being their “right”.
At what point do the responsible adults tell the children (liberals) of this country that the country was founded on the principal of equality of opportunity, not equality of wealth. At what point do we demand that the children show us where exactly anything in our founding documents guarantees a “right” to health care? Or “Social Security”? Or a higher education?
When is enough, enough?
Try “Pro Constitution”.
Quit trying to frame everything through the lens of liberalism/statism.
Other than some modifications to the normal regulation that government has excercised over the entire insurance industry this can all be accomplished quite easily, including the elimination of the government’s involvement in Medicare, Medicaid, etc.
Unfortunately, for us, the government for the past 40 years has been more interested in social engineering than serving the people who elect them.
I got an email response from Norm Dicks (D-WA)after sending him my thoughts on the healthcare takeover. He had this to say about a townhall meeting:
Yep. That is the whole reference to meeting with the people that put his butt in his chair.
Cowards.
LGM, your hypocrisy knows no bounds. Does it? John 424 is EXACTLY correct. The men who wrote the Constitution were concerned about people just like you – willing to give up liberty at a moment’s notice.
Blindly following the party line is why Blue Lips, Nancy and Harry are going to loose this one along with all of their little minions.
Ignoring any contrasting proposal as “not serious” does not mean they don’t exist.
Some proposals have endorsed removing health care insurance from the employer relationship. Instead of insurers competing for attention from companies and helping ensure less competition from individual selection, allow individuals to choose their own plan.
On this point, conservatives might agree on government intervention, not to establish the government as a new insurer or single-payer, but to help remove the connection between employer and health insurance (which, incidentally, was caused by other government meddling through wage controls). However, I believe most would rather the market come this conclusion on its own. The relationship between employer and health insurance has only been increased by government meddling over time.
Mandates, depending on which ones you are referencing, may decrease the cost to the consumer in the short term; however, they cannot overturn the basic principles of economics.
Some of these mandates will result in an increase in demand for the same supply. Price controlling the economic inflation will cause something else to give, most likely the quality of service as the incentive will be diminished.
Incidentally, many insurers are in favor of some of the mandates being mentioned. Rather than attacking the insurers that the President has been demonizing, they stand to gain from these mandates as there is a percentage of young people that forgo insurance.
The insurers will find a way to come out on top. It’s the health care provider and researcher that will suffer which likely means a decrease in quality.
We’re off topic on this thread, so we’re a bit far from the heart. My apologies to others for this OT tangent.
This is a great message to all “patriotic” liberals…
Elect cowards if you choose, but don’t be surprised when you get what you paid for.
I am so encouraged, knowing that it’s cowards like this who are, among other things, entrusted to protect America from all enemies! (/sarc off) Like the fictional bloodsuckers, vampires, these nocturnal neer-do-well’s, love darkness, and are repulsed by their soulless reflections in mirrors! (They know, but will never admit that they are the enemies of America!)
Come November 2010, drive a stake into these immoral, guilt-filled ideologues in congress…regardless of party.
This kind of “accountibility is anything but! It also illustrates their total lack of personal responsibility for the positions they take. They want to control the kitchen, but can’t take the heat…
The “Beast” (big covernment, not Obama) needs to be dethroned, and with him, his minions. The anti-Christ can be shown the door in 2012!
Does he come from a long line of Dicks?
I hear ya. It seems that a savvy politician would have been able to use that to prove that there is common ground. I guess he isn’t very interested in that.
Patriot Act?
ONE SINGLE CHANGE COULD TRULY BRING DOWN HEALTH INSURANCE COSTS; TORT REFORM
Name one liberty you gave up under the Patriot Act.
Just one.
Cheapseat is right.
The right to have a judge issue a search warrant. The right to speak freely.
There have only been 6 people prosecuted under the Patriot Act. 3 for porn, 2 for corruption, and an 86 year old librarian from Bridgeport. None for terror.
So, did that really make us safer?
Or the runt of the litter?
These freedom fighters did the right thing. When they could not get in they they did the next best thing and protested outside.
Congrats Grason constitutes! Thank You!
When were you or anyone you know searched without warrant? When did anyone attempt to stifle your speech – unless you are Conservative and we are talking in the present (of course).
The answer is never.
However, I have never actually had ANYONE reflect a moment that they were deprived of rights granted by the Constitution under the Patriot Act. 10 to 1 says none of those prosecuted and convicted successfully appealed. Also, I don’t see the Current Administration rushing to pardon them.
I’m a Law Enforcement Officer for DHS so I have had immense access to the rules of the Patriot Act and their application since it’s passing. I guarantee that your personal rights were NEVER affected by the Patriot Act.
The Brady Bill violated more of our Constitutional Rights than the Patriot Act ever did.
The DemoCommies latched on to the Patriot Act as a way to attack President Bush. Of course, they never explained EXACTLY how the PA was bad – they just called it evil enough times that people started to believe it (just as Goebbels said they would).
Why do these guys persist in calling these events “town hall meetings” when they are really “union hall meetings”?
Good point, it has gone that way.
Correction: stacked the deck and marked the cards.
Thank you sir, both for your service, and handing Marco his/her head.
Why am I not surprised that Massachusetts isn’t on that list?
Sadly, the “bending”, much like “change”, can go either way, and in the case of government and bringing down cost, the bending is towards cost overruns and higher taxes, along with “good enough for government” performance.
There IS hope for you! You rightly excluded illegal aliens!
Congratulations for a moment of lucidity!
That’s not the point and you know it. I lost a right that the Founders specifically included because of the effects of the Stamp Act.
Rights belong to everybody in America, not just me or you.
Again, it’s not about me. It’s about an 86 year old librarian in Bridgeport.
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I don’t anybody that has been convicted of murder, but that doesn’t mean the statutes don’t exist.
Are you honestly arguing that it’s actually ok for government to to pass laws that clearly rescind the rights that Jefferson claimed were God-given, not government granted, as long as the government doesn’t actually use that power? Or more specifically, use that power against you and yours?
That makes you a hypocrite, no better than lgm, willing to sacrifice liberty for security. He wants a mommy-state, you want a daddy-state.
Which actually isn’t true, and is also a totally moot point.
The Constitution was written specifically to protect us from government abuses. The concept of having a judge write search warrants was rooted in the experiences our ancestors had when the government’s soldiers *didn’t* have to go through those steps. The nature of the prosecutions clearly indicates that it isn’t even a tool necessary to combat terror.
Duh.
I guarantee that at least two courts say you’re wrong. So does at least one prominent Fox News personality. But seeing that you have to make a living off of big government certainly changes the perspective.
I didn’t support that either. At least I’m consistent.
So, people like Judge Andrew Napolitano and Robert Novak are DemCommies. Got it.
Do you have a reference to a librarian prosecution under the PA. All I’ve been able to find is a lawsuit filed by the ACLU on behalf of a librarian in Bridgeport regarding a gag order that had been in place to prevent dislosure of names of library patrons being investigated.
This congress must either live in a fantasy world, or think they have an office for life. Now, if my voters are mad about something I support, I best better be explaining it, or changing my mind very quickly. Maybe the local elections are already bought and paid for, next year. Hiding and stacking some meeting isn’t the way to stay in politics.
Salt said (#43):
It’s the definition of serious. Capping malpractice and the other Republican suggestions are not serious because nobody has done any serious analysis to show that they would address issues 1 and 2 (cost and coverage). Republican proposals may be good ideas, but they will not solve our health care problems.
This is not the experience of the rest of the industrialized world. They have systems that we would be moving toward that work better than ours does in many respects (cheaper for comparable quality). I’m not a fan of economic philosophers like Mill and Marx. Philosophical statements like: “government cannot lower costs” don’t go far in the face of actual data to the contrary.
Dexter, I was citing Judge Napolitano from a speech he gave recently. I’ll look into it more if you’re actually interested. I have a friend that knows him, and he’s answered other questions for me in the past.
Apparently it’s hard to find information about gag order and Patriot Act cases! I wonder if that’s because that’s the nature of the Act itself, but a quick Google search revealing an AP story that a Patriot Act gag order on an anonymous librarian was overturned by Judge Janet Hall would seemingly lend credibility to his statement.
If you’re just intent on proving me wrong, don’t bother. I joined the board knowing that we don’t all agree on everything, and I think it’s much more productive to work together on the issues that we do agree on.
Which leads me back to health care: Thousands of surgeries may be cut in Metro Vancouver due to government underfunding, leaked paper
lgm=vermicious knid
Nobody… You mean like the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation?
There are others, but I’m sure you’ve already “googled” it, right?
The same could be said of Democrat proposals. This is, as you say, a philosophical statement and not evidence.
Government cannot lower cost by fiat and mandate alone. Economic principles remain the same regardless of who is turning the dials.
Many of the countries to which you allude also benefit greatly from American medical innovation, which one of a few reasons why I would like to review the data to which you allude.
I once again kindly ask for your reference. Or at least be more specific regarding your claim so that I can look it up.
How about: “Government can’t lower costs without creating artificial shortages.” Is that better?
Really though, if you have a second, I’d appreciate the opportunity to see that “actual data.”
Salt said (#67):
The report you linked to concludes that malpractice insurance costs go down by about 20% where malpractice awards are capped. This does not imply that capping malpractice is a significant step toward goals 1 and 2 above. For example, the report does not report that consumers’ medical costs declined when malpractice costs declined. A health care reform proposal is serious if it has a chance to solve our health care problems. Malpractice reform by itself is not. In fact, all the Republican proposals taken together do not amount to a serious proposal in this sense. They do not claim otherwise.
And vice versa. Many drugs and medical procedures are developed in Europe by European researchers and companies.
That “data” is the fact that European and Canadian health care is as good as ours for half the cost.
Here’s the Napolitano speech, if anybody else is a fan.
“Good” is a terribly subjective word.
The truth is that our ability to pay overly inflated prices subsidizes the technology and medicines we export to socialized countries.
And your entire philosophy is based on an underlying belief that all money actually belongs to the government, and therefore we must spend it according to the government’s plan.
That’s absolutely contrary to the vision of American freedom that I have.
LGM, since you’re so big on internationalism, go look at Singapore. They have even better care than either of the countries you cited, and a plan I suspect that people here might be tempted to endorse.
I saw Dicks yesterday at a Chamber of Commerce luncheon in our small town (well it’s actually a tiny city). It was very short notice, and we only mustered about a dozen conservatives to show up, and were outnumbered by the moonbats who want “free healthcare” by about 5-1.
First of all, we “protesters” were deliberately misled, as we didn’t know which room the meeting was in, and one of the meeting planners said she didn’t know where it was, and walked away. We found a worker in the building who immediately told us where. It was clear they didn’t want us there.
When Dicks arrived, he shook my hand, and I said, “Remember your oath, Congressman”, and he blinked and was taken aback. Then he recovered and said, “Oh yes, the Constitution”.
He filibustered for about 15 minutes on the pork barrel projects he brought to our county (none of which will create jobs), while admonishing us to be “civil”, which was crap because we were quiet and laid back. I finally got called on to ask him a question after many fawning, sycophantic questions posed by the libturds there (we call our town “Berkeley without the Brains”). I first thanked him for allowing us an opportunity to speak to him and noted that I had called his office and emailed him, asking if there would be any townhalls and couldn’t get a straight answer from any of his people. I joked that I was ready to put his face on a milk carton, saying “Have you seen this man?”. He didn’t like that, and started to interrupt me and I told him that I’d appreciate being able to ask a question without interruption as we were civil to him. So he backed down and then I asked him why he did not support HR 615, which was a resolution that would make members of Congress subject to HR 3200 like the rest of us plebs. He feigned ignorance, and I asked, “Don’t you know what you vote on?” Then three of his aides came up to me on different occasions, wanting my name and phone so they can “get back to me” on my question. I was the only real “troublemaker” there, lol.
Marco,
I normally agree with you on many things (and I specifically like your ability to put LGM in a can) but the PA never removed, voided or even temporarily suspended any rights guaranteed by the Constitution. Not a single one. As well, being 86 doesn’t mean you are incapable of criminality – nor does being a librarian or even being from the fine community of Bridgeport.
I can not find, nor have you made, specific reference to any instance of a specific violation of rights stated in the Constitution.
I’m a big fan of that document too. Took an oath some time back to defend it. Very few Law Enforcement types I have worked with have been willing to knowingly violate the Constitution – regardless of what you may have seen on TV. Some of that unwillingness is integrity but a lot of it is knowing that a DA or AUSA is going to hand you your butt and maybe even prosecute you if you violate the Constitution.
I could go on but, until I am presented with any specific instance of a constitutional right violation stemming from the Patriot Act (that was upheld in court, by a judge, as legal – allowing the admission of evidence or otherwise contributing to the prosecution’s case), I have to call a flag on your play.
And with that, I’m going to bed – 1:30 am on this side of the puddle.
I’m sure you will have another non-specific rebuttal (I am not being mean here – I know that no specificity exists and therefore my statement is accurate). I will read it tomorrow.
Just those that are the Norm.
Were the union thugs too lazy to show up anywhere else?
Boatrocker!
From AP. If I recall it is the liberals that are throwing this stuff down our throats, without reading it, and with no delays. Why do the American people have to make concessions regarding government control and loss of freedoms and liberty? It just shows how elitist they’ve become, in their fantasy world of total power. Doesn’t anyone there give a darn about patients, or are they just a convenient tool for their designs on socialism?
Typical libtard, keep repeating a lie over and over thinking you will make it true for all who listen. pssssssst, nobody is listening.
You betcha!
Obamacare is shaping up to be a classic battle, liberalism V liberty.
Liberty has always won when the constitution’s message is confidently communicated through all of the white noise the liberals use to corrupt, distract and disrupt the truth.
Time for us all to focus and drive through the weak spot always open in the anti constitution left.
Americans love their Documents of origin.
They just need to be proudly projected across the country.
Reagan just flat talked people into Americanism.
The “trolls” on this thread need to get the facts straight –
Obamacare is NOT about reforming health care. It is about expanding health coverage at the expense of tax payers and the loss of private insurance.
Likewise, if US health care is so sub-standard, then why inflict such a travesty upon those citizens who have, thus far, been fortunate enough to have eluded its grasp?
The truth is, US health care is the best in the world and always be – so long as it remains separate from government control – and is readily available when needed to all citizens.
If health care is so great in Canada, why are insurance companies there offering waiting line insurance? http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2008/10/01/bc-medical-wait-list-insurance-bcaa.html
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=299282509335931
My Irish relative have come here for medical care because the socialized system in the British Isles is sooooo good…. /sarc
For those of you that like a more domestic example, today’s Wall Street Journal has an article about the crashing failure of TennCare:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125046457087135327.html
I will keep posting these to your claims of the quality of socialized health care until you respond, lgm.
Why, is it possible that lgm has no response?
Again?