Inconvenient links of the week: Obama and the LaRouche poster

By Michelle Malkin  •  August 19, 2009 01:12 PM

John McCormack: CNN Fails to Report Woman Comparing Obama to Hitler is a Lyndon LaRouche Democrat.

Here’s the CNN video:

Seton Motley: NBC, CNN and MSNBC All Assign Communist LaRouche’s Obama-Hitler Poster to Conservatives, Limbaugh

Hot Air Pundit has video/screenshot of the LaRouche PAC poster/table outside the Barney Frank town hall.

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  1. #1
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:16 pm, GladzKravtz said:

    Here comes the sun, here comes the sun,
    And i say it’s all right

    Beatles

  2. #2
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:18 pm, letget said:

    Oh my goodness! Thanks Michelle for posting this. A la rouche D? This needs to get out everywhere. WE are being blamed for the sign.
    L

  3. #3
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:19 pm, Regulus said:

    Welcome to the world of the Voluntary State Media: Proper attribution doesn’t fit the narrative, so mis-attribution will have to suffice.

  4. #4
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:23 pm, J S Ragman said:

    Very interesting, Michelle. I would expect MSM acknowledgement of this info at about the same time as the flowers and candy arrive from Keith Olberdork.

  5. #5
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:23 pm, cheapseat said:

    great michelle, and the obama joker creator is also an arab chicagoan who supports kucinich. the propoganda media is making itself into a laughing stock.

  6. #6
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:25 pm, conservative in europe said:

    How many times can the Democrats put up sketch comedy under the assumption that Americans are stupid?

    According to the State run Media, the number is infinite..

  7. #7
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:27 pm, frontierguy said:

    A major news organization left out part of the story so that viewers will get a different viewpoint? You mean they spinned it, are nothing but propaganda artists? Say it isn’t so.

    I think we should hold massive tea parties in their parking lots, blocking their news vehicles from being able to leave. Hold them hostage until they do their job as intended by the founding fathers and stop dribbling their spittle with their opinions disguised as news.

  8. #8
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:27 pm, et said:

    When you scroll down to the bottom line, all democrats are Lyndon LaRouche Democrats.

  9. #9
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:29 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Even Rush Limbaugh thinks this was one of ours! The word must get out!! Barney Frank and his outrageous indignation about this will look the fool he really is. The more they are exposed for doing these dirty tricks, the more people will wake up to what these a$$hats really are and what they stand for. They are liers, cheats, and worse.

  10. #10
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:29 pm, nbarry said:

    For decades, Lyndon LaRouche has declared himself a Democrat, much to the party’s disavowal and protest. The misattribution by the MSM of this nutcase’s posters is a product of the media’s rampant deadline-driven stereotyping, which is why their credibility is in the crapper.

  11. #11
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:32 pm, Drained Brain said:

    Even Rush Limbaugh thinks this was one of ours!

    I’m listening to Rush and just before the break he said he has “new information” on that woman.

    Stay tuned.

  12. #12
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:32 pm, conservative in europe said:

    et said:

    When you scroll down to the bottom line, all democrats are Lyndon LaRouche Democrats.

    Amen!!!!!

  13. #13
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:34 pm, chapoutier said:

    Barney Frank and his outrageous indignation about this will look the fool he really is

    Uhhh…Barney Frank made no mention or assumption of the woman’s political affiliation.

    He simply, and correctly, pointed out that the Hitler rhetoric is stupid.

  14. #14
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:34 pm, letget said:

    happyscrapper,
    I just heard Rush say before the break he had a tid-bit on the poster. He will tell us when he comes back on. He must have read MM.
    L

  15. #15
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:34 pm, thefoundingfathers said:

    A LaRouche Lemming stikes again. No where near as bad as all the Reagan, Bush 41, Bush 43, Ginrich, Republican, and Conservative bashing posters, videos, movie, etc. wanting all of the forementioned hurt or assisinated. It is amazing how when the shoe is on the other foot how much the libs and other nutcases complain when its one of their own being critizied, but they can say or do anything to their opposition. Bunch of hypocrites. It is even better when the critizism is revealing the truth.

    Remember Libs, commies, etc., when lowering standards for yourselves don’t complain when the lowererd standards are used against you by another group of crackpots.

  16. #16
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:38 pm, chapoutier said:

    A major news organization left out part of the story so that viewers will get a different viewpoint? You mean they spinned it, are nothing but propaganda artists? Say it isn’t so.

    Setting aside the misattributed poster, are you really trying to claim that there is not a TON of Hitler/Nazi rhetoric coming from the right?

    Try the Google just on this site.

    For example:

    “Hitler” and “Obama” gets 2,200 hits alone on this site.

    I mean, they may have missed a detail, but the overall point is still valid.

  17. #17
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:46 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    He simply, and correctly, pointed out that the Hitler rhetoric is stupid.

    NBC, CNN and MSNBC All Assign Communist LaRouche’s Obama-Hitler Poster to Conservatives, Limbaugh

    NBC, CNN and MSNBC and Bwarnie Frank all lie anyway, no surprise there. But as Chappy said Bwarnie did point out the Hitler rhetoric is stupid. Too bad Bwarnie, NBC, CNN and MSNBC did not mention how stupid and vulgar when the Left uses it.

    Obama and Bwarnie are indeed more fascist than liberal democrat (correct usage not connected to the DNP) but the Hitler posters are still vulgar and inappropriate. But I have always figured a lot of these crackpots are potted plants.

  18. #18
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:46 pm, ajmontana said:

    “Is this your President?”

    No. I do not recogize him as anything but a Puppet.
    Wouldn’t surprise me if he gassed his own Grandmother just before the election.
    Screw Odopey, he’s trying his hardest to ruin a Nation.

  19. #19
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:46 pm, Roland said:

    Ah, chap, are you really saying it’s ‘fake but true’ so it’s okay?

  20. #20
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:47 pm, mytake said:

    2,200 hits by libs looking to find out how many conservatives have been there.

  21. #21
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:49 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:38 pm, chapoutier said:

    A major news organization left out part of the story so that viewers will get a different viewpoint? You mean they spinned it, are nothing but propaganda artists? Say it isn’t so.

    Setting aside the misattributed poster, are you really trying to claim that there is not a TON of Hitler/Nazi rhetoric coming from the right?

    Try the Google just on this site.

    For example:

    “Hitler” and “Obama” gets 2,200 hits alone on this site.

    I mean, they may have missed a detail, but the overall point is still valid.

    You might take into account the context: some are “little Hitler” in reference to Ahmadinejihad, and many are serious discussions comparing the socialism tactics of the National Socialists. Some are as you state.

    Now do a similar search of, say, Democrat Underground.

  22. #22
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:51 pm, Salt said:

    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:38 pm, chapoutier said:

    Setting aside the misattributed poster, are you really trying to claim that there is not a TON of Hitler/Nazi rhetoric coming from the right?

    Try the Google just on this site.

    For example:

    “Hitler” and “Obama” gets 2,200 hits alone on this site.

    Sure, there are people on both the left and the right that refer to the president now and then as Hitler.

    The number of hits is irrelevant, though. You could match other two word combinations and get high hits, it doesn’t mean that every one of them is a comparison.

    For example, I don’t believe that people here would compare you 2,030 times to God. ;)

  23. #23
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:54 pm, txvet2 said:

    According to Rush, a search of (as I recall) Kos turned up 14 million hits on “Bush – Hitler”.

  24. #24
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:58 pm, chapoutier said:

    Ah, chap, are you really saying it’s ‘fake but true’ so it’s okay?

    No. I am saying it is empirically true that a lot, and dare I say– the vast majority— of the Obama as Hitler references are coming from the right. Finding that one stupid poster belonging to one very very tiny sect of the left does the same does not invalidate this claim.

    You might take into account the context: some are “little Hitler” in reference to Ahmadinejihad, and many are serious discussions comparing the socialism tactics of the National Socialists. Some are as you state.

    No doubt that not all of them are not direct comparisons. But a casual perusal of even a few pages of them indicates a lot are. And that is not even counting all the other searches one could do with “nazi”, “brownshirt”, etc….

    Now do a similar search of, say, Democrat Underground.

    Lots of hits, and so far looking at them, they have all been responses to others calling Obama Hitler. No doubt there would be some exceptions if I had the time or inclination to go through all of them.

    To be fair, I did do a search of Bush and Hitler, and got a ton of hits.

    But my issue isn’t so much the disparate treatment of such rhetoric in the media (I will grant you it is skewed) but rather the inanity of the comparisons in the first place.

  25. #25
    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:58 pm, TigerLady said:

    I just searched George W. Bush + hitler (yahoo). Wanna know how many hits there were? 9,630,000 That’s nine million, six hundred and thirty thousand hits comparing or relating Bush to Hitler.

    I’m sorry, but I don’t feel the outrage about someone, a Dem by reports, who is making a comparison of Obama and Hitler.

    Chap, if you denounced it then, I give you kudos. If not, you have no claims to outrage now.

  26. #26
    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:00 pm, chapoutier said:

    For example, I don’t believe that people here would compare you 2,030 times to God. ;)

    No, its entirely possible I have done that that many times. According to WE82, my ego knows no bounds.

    I admit it si not perfect, but even a quick perusal of the htis that come back finds plenty of direct comparisons, yes?

  27. #27
    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:14 pm, moonshot said:

    yeah, this lady sounds nooooothing like people here and at Free Republic.
    I have neeeeeevr heard anyone here use the same rhetoric as this strange democrat loon who only hates Obama.

    I’ve never heard of this anti-semite LaRouche…but I will trust Charles of LGF who has a lot of knowledge of him and said he is neither a democrat or republican.

  28. #28
    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:15 pm, chapoutier said:

    Chap, if you denounced it then, I give you kudos. If not, you have no claims to outrage now.

    I am not outraged in either case. I just think its dumb. In either case.

  29. #29
    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:15 pm, Salt said:

    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:00 pm, chapoutier said:

    I admit it si not perfect, but even a quick perusal of the htis that come back finds plenty of direct comparisons, yes?

    I believe the point is that when it doesn’t come from the right, the MSM doesn’t bother to correct the assumption.

  30. #30
    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:17 pm, John Deaux said:

    To be fair, there is a significant difference between comparing tactics and policies of the Obama administration to those of Nazi Germany to just calling someone Hitler because he was evil. I think you’ll find this site does a lot more genuine analysis than the lefty sites, whose comments are largely nothing but hate. They don’t want to consider other points and don’t tolerate dissent at all.

  31. #31
    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:18 pm, chapoutier said:

    I believe the point is that when it doesn’t come from the right, the MSM doesn’t bother to correct the assumption.

    I think that was MM’s point. I do not believe that was frontierguy’s point. Which was what I was responding to. Or at least that was not how I read his post.

  32. #32
    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:20 pm, Salt said:

    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:14 pm, moonshot said:

    I’ve never heard of this anti-semite LaRouche…but I will trust Charles of LGF who has a lot of knowledge of him and said he is neither a democrat or republican.

    However you want to cut it, he’s not from the “right”. Also, Michelle’s line above was that the woman was a Democrat.

    CNN left the assumption that this was a right-leaning protester without correction, probably because that was their purpose in covering it in the first place.

  33. #33
    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:22 pm, atheling said:

    * Speeches in stadiums filled with mesmerized, adoring audiences – Check
    * An uninspiring background before meteoric rise – Check
    * Creates his own new symbols of power – Check
    * Associates with racists, hate mongers and violent radicals – Check
    * Believes in redistributing the wealth – Check
    * A propaganda machine willing to show him only in the best possible light – Check
    * Uses, “glorious leader” style Agitprop posters common in totalitarian nations – Check (see German campaign poster for example)
    * Wants Secret Police force – Check
    * Someone powerful people think they can control – Check
    * Often dismissed as a light-weight by his opponents – Check
    * Seeks to replace God with the State – Check
    * People adopting his name as their own – Check
    * Inspires adoration art – Check
    * Appropriates symbols of past German glory – Check
    * A narcissistic megalomaniac – Check
    * Brazenly Takes credit for other people’s accomplishments – Check
    * Wants to build “youth” movement through Universal National State service – Check
    * Acts as if in power before he is – Check
    * Some followers believe him to be divine – Check
    * Worshiped and aided greatly by the media – Check
    * Has his own salute – Check
    * Has thuggish supporters intimidating political opponents – Check
    * Using the power of the State to silence critics – Check
    * Songs written to glorify him performed by children – Check
    * Takes control of large companies and the economy as a whole – Check
    * Attacks the very business leaders who supported his rise once in power – Check

    Now what were you saying about the Hitler comparisons being “stupid”, Chapoutier?

  34. #34
    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:27 pm, John Deaux said:

    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:14 pm, moonshot said:
    I’ve never heard of this anti-semite LaRouche…but I will trust Charles of LGF who has a lot of knowledge of him and said he is neither a democrat or republican.

    Why are you willing to accept the first thing you are told?

    This is from Wikipedia -
    He has been a perennial candidate for President of the United States, having run in eight elections since 1976, once as a U.S. Labor Party candidate and seven times as a candidate for the Democratic Party nomination.

  35. #35
    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:28 pm, Cowboy said:

    CNN is like a guy I know. They would rather tell a lie than the truth even if the truth is easier.

  36. #36
    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:30 pm, chapoutier said:

    Now what were you saying about the Hitler comparisons being “stupid”, Chapoutier?

    They are just that. Stupid.

    Have you actually looked at that list?

    Half of them are just spouting that he is popular. I guess by that standard, the Jonas Brothers are also Hitler.

    About a quarter of them (like the “adoration art”) are actions of others not attributable in any way to Obama. I guess by the “adoration art” standard, Jesus is Hitler.

    Most of the rest are either outright lies or analogical stretches so thin it would give spider silk a run for its money. Like “a propoganda machine” Uh.. Yeah. Its called a campaign. Politicians tend to have them once in a while.

    If I didn’t think you were such a contemptible person in general, I would almost be embarrassed for you.

  37. #37
    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:32 pm, moonshot said:

    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:20 pm, Salt said:
    However you want to cut it, he’s not from the “right”. Also, Michelle’s line above was that the woman was a Democrat.

    CNN left the assumption that this was a right-leaning protester without correction, probably because that was their purpose in covering it in the first place.

    The problem is that these people are fitting in amongst the right and its really hard to tell the difference when the rhetoric(and signs)is identical.

    I have republican family members who have images of Obama as Hitler. My uncle went to a town hall meeting carrying one of them and he is certainly not a democrat or a LaRouche cultist. I’m sure this must be frustrating for someone like you who is clearly not like this crazy lady or my uncle.

  38. #38
    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:33 pm, Bogtrotter said:

    I noticed the DUmmies have been all bent out of shape over the woman, the photo, and the exchange with Congressthing Fwanks. Now that her political affiliation is known they will either ignore the fact and continue to portray her as being a right-wing conservative, Republican, or stop discussing the incident at all. Should be fun to watch and I will let you know.

  39. #39
    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:39 pm, moonshot said:

    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:27 pm, John Deaux said:
    Why are you willing to accept the first thing you are told?

    This is from Wikipedia -
    He has been a perennial candidate for President of the United States, having run in eight elections since 1976, once as a U.S. Labor Party candidate and seven times as a candidate for the Democratic Party nomination.

    Charles explained it quite nicely after some of his members posted this same wikipedia quotes. He was banned by the DNC.

    re: #16 Charles of LGF

    I see that some right wing blogs are actually saying she is a “Lyndon LaRouche Democrat,” which verges on an outright lie.

    LaRouchians are NOT Democrats. They’re not really Republicans either, but in this issue they are attaching themselves to the Republicans, because the crazy is so strong they’re attracted like moths to a flame.

  40. #40
    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:40 pm, rightwingrocker said:

    I am saying it is empirically true that a lot, and dare I say– the vast majority— of the Obama as Hitler references are coming from the right.

    Well if it walks like a duck (Nazi), and it looks like a duck (Nazi), and it quacks like a duck (Nazi) …

    You’ve got a duck (Nazi).

    I wish there would be more people pointing out that “healthcare” was a major point in the Nazi platform, and that more than half of the Nazi platform is right in line with American liberal philosophy.

    Where do you think Obama got the idea for all these “czars” whose sole purpose is to increase the percentage of DC goons who only answer to THE ONE, further encroaching upon the rights of the states and people while simultaneously usurping the power of the legislature?

    You watch. As Obama gets himself into more and more trouble with the voters, you will see more and more of these czars, who are already looking at how to keep their master in power even after the voters bring forth his legitimate demise.

    And Congress is just rolling over like it’s a good idea. Ain’t that just like a good liberal.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  41. #41
    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:43 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    The LaRouche-ites are MAJOR whack jobs of the first magnitude. Years ago they would congregate outside of The Heritage Foundation regularly and protest Bush and, even more frequently, Cheney. Once they actually INVADED The Heritage Foundation offices an this resulted in a major change in security arrangements at Heritage.

    LaRouche-ites and his followers can’t decide if they are Nazi, Marxists, Leninists, Trotskyites, or whatever… Insane does not begin to describe these loons!

    And now CNN claims they are conservatives.

    Oy vey, these people are mashugana!

  42. #42
    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:46 pm, Salt said:

    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:39 pm, moonshot said:

    LaRouchians are NOT Democrats.

    LaRouchian supporters are whatever they identify themselves as when they vote in the primaries. Yes, LaRouche has gone so far out that the DNC no longer supports him.

    That doesn’t make him a conservative.

    Ultimately, Charles is going on about “lying” about the Democrat label. We don’t know for certain how she identifies herself, do we? What we have learned, though, is that she is not a conservative protester, which is what CNN left its viewers to conclude. Complaining about the specific label is semantics. I’m willing to bet most here don’t care if Democrats denounce this woman. I would expect that.

  43. #43
    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:50 pm, granite said:

    Lyndon LaRouche?

    Man, I haven’t heard about him for a while.
    I remember that he’d be in the news now and then ~20-30 or so years ago, spouting some nutty idea.
    I believe one of them was that the British royal family was involved in the international drug trade.
    Not that I know for a fact that they were not involved…; but, I don’t recall his producing any corroborating evidence that they in fact were involved….

    BTW, from a site about LaRouche I checked:

    While he associates himself with the Democratic Party, he has never been that party’s nominee for office and he is not accepted within the mainstream of the party, although he has won the acceptance of Democratic Party mavericks such as Senator Eugene McCarthy and former Attorney General Ramsey Clark. He has also won some non-binding Democratic state primaries, including North Dakota in 1992 and Michigan in 2000.

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Lyndon_LaRouche

    Democratic partySocialist “mavericks” such as Eugene McCarthy and Ramsey Clark?
    Mavericks?
    It’s very dangerous loons at least as far “left” as, if not further “left” than, these two clowns; who currently control the socialist “movement”, who now have political power, and who are now screwing over and trying to destroy our wonderful nation.

    Once again, preview not working…hope that there are no errors….

  44. #44
    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:52 pm, John Deaux said:

    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:32 pm, moonshot said:

    I have republican family members who have images of Obama as Hitler. My uncle went to a town hall meeting carrying one of them and he is certainly not a democrat or a LaRouche cultist.

    Right, your “uncle“.

    My mother’s cousin’s sister told me that she met your uncle there and he told her he was paid by the SEIU to carry that sign.

  45. #45
    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:54 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Nazis and the left

    The list of similar comparisons is quite lengthy

    Left Anti-Jewish — Nazi Very Anti-Jewish

    Left Anti-Individual gun ownership —Nazi Very Anti-Individual Gun ownership

    Left Pro Abortion/Eugenics — Nazi Very Pro Abortion/Eugenics

    Carry on

  46. #46
    On August 19th, 2009 at 3:01 pm, spaceycakes said:

    He simply, and correctly, pointed out that the Hitler rhetoric is stupid.

    I’ll fix that for you, chap:

    He limply, and correctly, pointed out that the Hitler rhetoric is thupid.

  47. #47
    On August 19th, 2009 at 3:08 pm, moonshot said:

    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:52 pm, John Deaux said:
    Right, your “uncle“.

    My mother’s cousin’s sister told me that she met your uncle there and he told her he was paid by the SEIU to carry that sign.

    Is this your mother’s cousin’s sister at the Las Vegas town hall?


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVS4Zgjm8HE

  48. #48
    On August 19th, 2009 at 3:10 pm, cheapseat said:

    chap; are you comparing the rants of we mere mortals on this blog to virtually all news media in this country except fox and the wall street journal? whether we vilify a person on this blog is totally different than when the msm villifies people by lying about what is happening out there. or are you telling us that mm gets info which no other media sources can read. that poster clearly says it is by the larouchies. now larouchies are rightwingers? geez, then let me be the first to inform the world that rush limbaugh is secretly the head of the dnc.

  49. #49
    On August 19th, 2009 at 3:13 pm, chapoutier said:

    Left Anti-Jewish — Nazi Very Anti-Jewish

    And yet the political affiliation of Jewish people is HEAVILY slanted to the Democratic Party. I guess you just know what’s better for them than they do.

    Left Anti-Individual gun ownership —Nazi Very Anti-Individual Gun ownership

    Yeah…the Nazi’s 1938 gun law that: deregulated completely rifles and shot guns, deregulated ammunition, lowered the age of carrying a firearm from 20 to 18, increased the time for a valid permit from one to three years, increased the classes of people exempt from gun permit requirements…

    Sounds really anti-gun to me. Of course it did exclude the Jews from owning guns, but that is more about the antisemitism than any sort of anti-gun stance.

    Left Pro Abortion/Eugenics — Nazi Very Pro Abortion/Eugenics

    The Nazis did not believe in a woman’s CHOICE for abortion. If you were Aryan, it was forbidden. If not, it could be forced. Sounds to me like Pro life people have a lot more in common with the Nazis in this respect. It is the State’s decision, not the woman’s.

  50. #50
    On August 19th, 2009 at 3:14 pm, chapoutier said:

    I’ll fix that for you, chap:

    He limply, and correctly, pointed out that the Hitler rhetoric is thupid.

    OK. I chuckled at that.

  51. #51
    On August 19th, 2009 at 3:17 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Who cares about one woman with a poster.

    I want to know what Frank said about the steaming pile of dung known as Obamacare. How did he even defend it?

    Let’s not get distracted in calling out these people. Concentrate on the issue like a laser beam and kill the bill or if they ram it through set the stage to remove them all from office.

    Battle focus.

  52. #52
    On August 19th, 2009 at 3:29 pm, atheling said:

    On August 19th, 2009 at 2:30 pm, chapoutier said:
    They are just that. Stupid.

    Have you actually looked at that list?

    Half of them are just spouting that he is popular. I guess by that standard, the Jonas Brothers are also Hitler.

    About a quarter of them (like the “adoration art”) are actions of others not attributable in any way to Obama. I guess by the “adoration art” standard, Jesus is Hitler.

    Most of the rest are either outright lies or analogical stretches so thin it would give spider silk a run for its money. Like “a propoganda machine” Uh.. Yeah. Its called a campaign. Politicians tend to have them once in a while.

    If I didn’t think you were such a contemptible person in general, I would almost be embarrassed for you.

    I don’t give a rat’s a** what you think of me, Chapoutier, because you’re nothing but a liar, which also makes you a thief, because all liars steal trust.

    You have been caught dissembling numerous times on this site, which indicates that you have no credibility whatsoever.

    The fact that you can’t see the stark resemblence between the socialist dictator in the White House and the socialist dictator of the Nationalist Socialist Party of Germany demonstrates that your head is still firmly implanted up your a**, and you have s*** for brains.

  53. #53
    On August 19th, 2009 at 3:32 pm, TigerLady said:

    I wish there would be more people pointing out that “healthcare” was a major point in the Nazi platform, and that more than half of the Nazi platform is right in line with American liberal philosophy.

    Too many people throw the “Nazi” platform around without really knowing the history of Germany at the time when the National Socialist party was in power. The Nazi’s used similar talking points to sway the common man but their goal was ultimate power over the people. Many people disagreed with Hitler’s policies but they were afraid. As time went on it became suicide to stand up to the machine of power that Hitler created.

    Now our voices in dissent are causing a tide. When the MSM and the democrats make fun and belittle, it shows that what we’re doing is working.

    If it’s wrong to stand up for our beliefs, when will the time be right?

    I’m reading a novel called Brucknerstrasse by Ilona Herisko. She came to the US in 1947 after her marriage to a soldier. Her book is about the lives of everyday Germans during WWII. She writes “My original intention in writing this book was to show that many Germans were innocent. However, as the book progressed, I began to realize that the only innocents in Germany were those who actively opposed the Nazis and that those who stood by while unspeakable crimes were committed in their name must bear a share of their country’s guilt”.

    History is a great educator if we will listen to the lesson.

  54. #54
    On August 19th, 2009 at 3:34 pm, moonshot said:

    lol There are comments in this very blog post that mimic the LaRouche cultist woman.

    I hear Rush Limbaugh gave his approval of the Obama as Hitler signs on his show today.

  55. #55
    On August 19th, 2009 at 3:41 pm, chapoutier said:

    because all liars steal trust.

    Oh my goodness. Someone got stood up at prom, didn’t they?

    You have been caught dissembling numerous times on this site, which indicates that you have no credibility whatsoever.

    As you claim ad nauseum, yet never back up.

    demonstrates that your head is still firmly implanted up your a**

    Apparently that is where this little thing called “Reality” resides. So be it.

    I am a little surprised to see you here. I thought by now you would have taken up arms and joined the revolt, as you indicated you were going to do months ago. Or haven’t you the courage of your convictions? I fully expected to be reading about your unique “Thomas Jefferson Quote” defense at your trial for treason in the papers.

  56. #56
    On August 19th, 2009 at 3:42 pm, right4life said:

    I hear Rush Limbaugh gave his approval of the Obama as Hitler signs on his show today.

    good, the left did that for years to bush…whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

    democrats are fascists.

  57. #57
    On August 19th, 2009 at 3:44 pm, atheling said:

    On August 19th, 2009 at 3:34 pm, moonshot said:
    lol There are comments in this very blog post that mimic the LaRouche cultist woman.

    I hear Rush Limbaugh gave his approval of the Obama as Hitler signs on his show today.

    I agree with Rush. There are similarities between Obama the Demagogue and his socialist aspirations and Adolph Hitler the Demagogue and his socialist agenda.

    I don’t care about LaRouche, as he is a Commie. We used the Commies to defeat the Nazis, and in war time, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    Until the war ends.

  58. #58
    On August 19th, 2009 at 3:45 pm, atheling said:

    On August 19th, 2009 at 3:41 pm, chapoutier said

    Irrelevent crap as he is an a**wipe.

  59. #59
    On August 19th, 2009 at 3:47 pm, chapoutier said:

    Irrelevent crap as he is an a**wipe.

    You are soooo cu** with your little asterisks! :) I just wanna k*** you on the ch****!

  60. #60
    On August 19th, 2009 at 3:48 pm, moonshot said:

    On August 19th, 2009 at 3:44 pm, atheling said:
    I agree with Rush. There are similarities between Obama the Demagogue and his socialist aspirations and Adolph Hitler the Demagogue and his socialist agenda.

    I don’t care about LaRouche, as he is a Commie. We used the Commies to defeat the Nazis, and in war time, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    Until the war ends.

    Well I’m glad we got that cleared up. The loony lady fits right in with the Tea Parties and town halls.

  61. #61
    On August 19th, 2009 at 4:03 pm, Reliq6 said:

    ooo let me play –

    the looney lady fits right in with Code Pink and the anti – Yoo protests @ Berkely.

    and..and..my dad can beat up your dad.

    This is fun – who’s next? /takes off 3rd grader hat

    Distractions – all of it.

  62. #62
    On August 19th, 2009 at 4:04 pm, spaceycakes said:

    cheers, chap–Galliano?

  63. #63
    On August 19th, 2009 at 4:09 pm, T-Bone said:

    He simply, and correctly, pointed out that the Hitler rhetoric is stupid.

    Correctly? Lots of people thought Hitler was a good guy when he was popular. Hitler is a lesson learned by most. The rhetoric refers to that lesson. I don’t think looking out for that possibility is stupid.

    In fact, it is very wise to be on the lookout for a similar repeat of Hitlers tactics for gaining control which allowed him to do what he did. Few people thought Hitler would turn into the monster he was but history does repeat itself.

  64. #64
    On August 19th, 2009 at 4:12 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    I can’t wait until I hear Bwaney Fwank and Nan Pelosi and Harry Reid start talking about the need to enact the “Gesetz zur Behebung der Not von Volk und Reich” to control all us outrageous little peons who dare to resist their rule.

  65. #65
    On August 19th, 2009 at 4:14 pm, Mister P said:

    Looks like the Hitler rhetoric has really hit a nerve with the visitors from the LEFT. Do they protesteth too much?

  66. #66
    On August 19th, 2009 at 4:21 pm, atheling said:

    On August 19th, 2009 at 4:09 pm, T-Bone said:
    Lots of people thought Hitler was a good guy when he was popular. Hitler is a lesson learned by most. The rhetoric refers to that lesson. I don’t think looking out for that possibility is stupid.

    In fact, it is very wise to be on the lookout for a similar repeat of Hitlers tactics for gaining control which allowed him to do what he did. Few people thought Hitler would turn into the monster he was but history does repeat itself.

    That’s kind of hard to do when your head is up your a**, isn’t it?

  67. #67
    On August 19th, 2009 at 4:26 pm, T-Bone said:

    Or up Ob*ma’s

  68. #68
    On August 19th, 2009 at 4:28 pm, chapoutier said:

    That’s kind of hard to do when your head is up your a**, isn’t it?

    atheling,

    ***** ** ** **** ****** ****.

    Isn’t this fun?

  69. #69
    On August 19th, 2009 at 4:33 pm, T-Bone said:

    There are some people in the world that studied Hitlers tactics and incorporated them into their own strategeries (sic) for power and domination.

    Saddam was one of them. Hugo Chavez appears to be another. Perhaps Castro was one of the first. Stalin, Pol Pot. Maybe even…God forbid…Obama! Go ahead, turn me in to the White House. Sound familiar?

  70. #70
    On August 19th, 2009 at 4:36 pm, T-Bone said:

    I saw two 4 letter words in there Chap. How did that get past the screener?

  71. #71
    On August 19th, 2009 at 4:59 pm, battleaxe said:

    In addition to the politicians, I guess we need one of these for the MSM:
    http://xkcd.com/285/

  72. #72
    On August 19th, 2009 at 5:09 pm, T-Bone said:

    Oh, you are right. There are no terrorists left in the US. Bush took care of that and Obama kept it that way. ;)

  73. #73
    On August 19th, 2009 at 5:11 pm, T-Bone said:

    wrong thread but still looks good

  74. #74
    On August 19th, 2009 at 5:45 pm, John Deaux said:

    On August 19th, 2009 at 3:08 pm, moonshot said:

    Is this your mother’s cousin’s sister at the Las Vegas town hall?

    Nope. My mother’s cousin is an only child. I lied. Just like you did about your uncle.

  75. #75
    On August 19th, 2009 at 6:56 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On August 19th, 2009 at 1:58 pm, chapoutier said:

    But my issue isn’t so much the disparate treatment of such rhetoric in the media (I will grant you it is skewed) but rather the inanity of the comparisons in the first place.

    Dittos on both counts.

  76. #76
    On August 19th, 2009 at 7:58 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    TigerLady said:
    I’m sorry, but I don’t feel the outrage about someone, a Dem by reports, who is making a comparison of Obama and Hitler.

    I’m compelled to mention that I feel no outrage whatsoever; in Obama’s case the shoe looks to be fitting quite nicely.

  77. #77
    On August 19th, 2009 at 8:20 pm, Laree said:

    If they don’t like the Joker or the Hitler photo shopping something they have done extensively to George W Bush maybe we need to start digging deeper for villains that fit the bill…maybe Simon Legree who is considered the anti christ character of Uncle Tom’s Cabin.

  78. #78
    On August 19th, 2009 at 8:21 pm, Laree said:

    How about Snidley Whiplash?

  79. #79
    On August 19th, 2009 at 8:23 pm, Laree said:

    And Never Mind who is John Galt…Who is JONES? Where is he, we could use him right about now.

  80. #80
    On August 19th, 2009 at 9:39 pm, CW4_KGP said:

    Setting aside the misattributed poster, are you really trying to claim that there is not a TON of Hitler/Nazi rhetoric coming from the right?

    Try the Google just on this site.

    For example:

    “Hitler” and “Obama” gets 2,200 hits alone on this site.

    I mean, they may have missed a detail, but the overall point is still valid.

    and how many hits do you get with Bush + Hitler???

    So what’s your point? That teh ONE can’t stand the heat? Call him a WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHmbulance!

  81. #81
    On August 19th, 2009 at 11:01 pm, lgm said:

    LaRouche is not a Democrat.

  82. #82
    On August 19th, 2009 at 11:11 pm, atheling said:

    On August 19th, 2009 at 11:01 pm, lgm said:
    LaRouche is not a Democrat.

    No he is not. He’s a Communist. Just like you.

  83. #83
    On August 19th, 2009 at 11:23 pm, Member-VRWC said:

    On August 19th, 2009 at 11:01 pm, lgm said:
    LaRouche is not a Democrat.

    Maybe, maybe not, but he ran for POTUS as a Democrat several times, so he has a lot more in common with you than he does with me. I’ve never even voted for a Democrat. Came close once, but at the last second I thought better of it and left that office blank on my ballot.

    Cheer up, lgm. There’s a lot worse sleazebag Democrats than Lyndon LaRouche.

  84. #84
    On August 19th, 2009 at 11:36 pm, John Deaux said:

    On August 19th, 2009 at 11:01 pm, lgm said:
    LaRouche is not a Democrat.

    Well, if lgm says it, then it’s good enough for me.

  85. #85
    On August 20th, 2009 at 12:01 am, chapoutier said:

    atheling,

    You know I can’t get through the night without a little sugar from you.

    Come on baby… throw some dirty dirty asterisks my way…you know just the way I like it…give me an a****f**l*** or maybe tickle my g***y***like you used to do back in Okinawa and then throw on that k***** and make me some h***** t** and pour it all over my third ver******.

    ohhhhhhhhhhh…..

  86. #86
    On August 20th, 2009 at 1:58 am, atheling said:

    Lol, chapoutier is drunk and playing with himself, apparently.

  87. #87
    On August 20th, 2009 at 7:36 am, chapoutier said:

    Lol, chapoutier is drunk and playing with himself, apparently.

    Sweetie,

    If I were drunk when I posted that I would have misspelled a****f**l*** and h***** t**.

  88. #88
    On August 20th, 2009 at 9:47 am, James Felix said:

    Setting aside the misattributed poster, are you really trying to claim that there is not a TON of Hitler/Nazi rhetoric coming from the right?

    No. What we’re saying is that it’s not nearly as widespread or mainstream on the Right as it has been on the Left. It’s not even close.

    On the Right we marginalize and disavow our nutjobs. On the Left you come within a few votes of nominating them for President.

    I’d also like to point out that even the worst rhetoric on the right, coming from the most isolated crazies, can’t compete with the hateful loonies that the President of the United States has sought advice from his entire adult life. Actual, unapologetic racists and violent terrorists.

    So we’re not saying the Right is 100% pure when it comes to irresponsible rhetoric. What we are saying is that the Left lives in the flimsiest of glass houses on this issue and really ought to stop throwing stones.

  89. #89
    On August 20th, 2009 at 10:29 am, chapoutier said:

    No. What we’re saying is that it’s not nearly as widespread or mainstream on the Right as it has been on the Left. It’s not even close.

    Really? I will admit the left has a rabid and prolific base in Kos and DU. However, like the Platte River, crap like that is a mile wide and a foot deep. Not too many people really care that a bunch of yahoos, on either side, sit around their computer and spew out silly stuff like this.

    But when was the last time you heard many of the most powerful members of the of the Democratic Party refer to Bush as Hitler or a Nazi, as Limbaugh and Coulter have done? What is really more damaging? 10 million posts from 10 thousand nobodies on a website no one reads or one comment from the most powerful conservatives out there, that not only reaches directly millions of listeners, but millions more when it is replayed by the media?

    On the Right we marginalize and disavow our nutjobs.

    I’m guessing we probably have differing definitions of “nutjob”. But in any case, I certainly haven’t seen the right disavowing itself of Rush.

    So we’re not saying the Right is 100% pure when it comes to irresponsible rhetoric. What we are saying is that the Left lives in the flimsiest of glass houses on this issue and really ought to stop throwing stones.

    And if this were only about hypocrisy, that argument would fly. But its not. Many here are justifying their rhetoric by claiming it is what the left did to Bush.

    It’s funny how quick people are to call lgm out when they think he’s arguing tu quoque but ignore it from other posters here.

  90. #90
    On August 20th, 2009 at 10:55 am, John Deaux said:

    There is a significant difference between describing a country heading down a road that is against it’s core founding document and potentially parallels one of history’s worst regimes and simply hurling the name “Hitler” as an insult.

    So exactly when is it acceptable to compare an administrations tactics and policies to Nazi Germany? How will we ever avoid a repeat if making the comparison is a crime in itself?

  91. #91
    On August 20th, 2009 at 11:02 am, Salt said:

    On August 20th, 2009 at 10:29 am, chapoutier said:

    But when was the last time you heard many of the most powerful members of the of the Democratic Party refer to Bush as Hitler or a Nazi

    It wasn’t all that long ago that Pelosi (yes, I know you don’t like her) painted a picture of Obamacare protesters as being swastika carriers.

    And if this were only about hypocrisy, that argument would fly. But its not. Many here are justifying their rhetoric by claiming it is what the left did to Bush.

    On this I’ll agree. However, I don’t know if it’s justification or pointing out the irony of leaders from the left (or the MSM in this case) acting as if this is a one-way street.

    It’s funny how quick people are to call lgm out when they think he’s arguing tu quoque but ignore it from other posters here.

    That’s why we have you here. ;)

    However, isn’t this statement a bit of a tu quoque complaining about tu quoques?

  92. #92
    On August 20th, 2009 at 11:04 am, Dimsdale said:

    But when was the last time you heard many of the most powerful members of the of the Democratic Party refer to Bush as Hitler or a Nazi, as Limbaugh and Coulter have done?

    Pelosi comes to mind, but are you comparing the power and authority of commentators like Bush and Coulter to “the most powerful members of the of the Democratic Party”?

    That is a bit of a stretch.

  93. #93
    On August 20th, 2009 at 11:04 am, Salt said:

    On August 20th, 2009 at 10:55 am, John Deaux said:

    There is a significant difference between describing a country heading down a road that is against it’s core founding document and potentially parallels one of history’s worst regimes and simply hurling the name “Hitler” as an insult.

    Agreed. Flinching from any comparison to history is a great way to ensure it’s repeated. Assuming there’s substance behind why the comparison is made.

  94. #94
    On August 20th, 2009 at 1:07 pm, chapoutier said:

    It wasn’t all that long ago that Pelosi (yes, I know you don’t like her) painted a picture of Obamacare protesters as being swastika carriers.

    Here is her quote:

    PELOSI: I think they are Astroturf — you be the judge — of carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town hall meeting on health care.

    She is not calling them Nazis. She is accusing them of going to town halls aiming Nazi rhetoric at Obama. Which is accurate, and entirely different.

    Next please.

    So exactly when is it acceptable to compare an administrations tactics and policies to Nazi Germany? How will we ever avoid a repeat if making the comparison is a crime in itself?

    When they are applicable and not used for shock value. There are dozens of countries that have health care systems in place that are actually analogous to what is being proposed.

    But all I am hearing from the right is: “You know who else was interested in “health care”? HITLER!” Same with “You know who else liked gun control? HITLER!” (N.B.: Gun rights for non-Jewish German citizens were actually greatly expanded during the Nazi regime). How is that even remotely apt or helpful? It is pure and simple a smear tactic without substance.

    However, I don’t know if it’s justification or pointing out the irony of leaders from the left (or the MSM in this case) acting as if this is a one-way street.

    If it were not justification, there would be more condemning from more than a handful of people here. Instead we have the opposite. Idiots like atheling actually adding fuel to the fire.

    Pelosi comes to mind, but are you comparing the power and authority of commentators like Bush and Coulter to “the most powerful members of the of the Democratic Party”?

    Link please. Or did you mean that non-example cited above?

  95. #95
    On August 20th, 2009 at 1:21 pm, Salt said:

    On August 20th, 2009 at 1:07 pm, chapoutier said:

    Link please. Or did you mean that non-example cited above?

    Non-example? I believe I treat your comments with a bit more respect, Chap.

    Pelosi’s comment made sense to you because you included the dose of reality (although outside of one incident her office much later referenced, the swastika pictures weren’t as prolific as she suggested). Pelosi’s comment, to someone that isn’t paying attention, could have been interpreted as though they were acting like Nazis. It was a careless comment.

    They still haven’t proven the Astroturf claim, either, despite all the Astroturfing efforts being made on their own behalf. If anything, Big Insurers and Big Pharma have been in support of Obamacare for the increase of business expected from the mandates. It’s not in the insurance company’s interest to fund astroturfing operations.

  96. #96
    On August 20th, 2009 at 1:32 pm, chapoutier said:

    Pelosi’s comment made sense to you because you included the dose of reality (although outside of one incident her office much later referenced, the swastika pictures weren’t as prolific as she suggested). Pelosi’s comment, to someone that isn’t paying attention, could have been interpreted as though they were acting like Nazis. It was a careless comment.

    Couple things, I apologize for the “non-example” I was not trying to be rude to you. I was just trying to indicate that I did NOT think the example that I think he was citing was applicable.

    And I agree that it was at best an overbroad comment. And I also agree that the whole “astroturf” claim is unproven (and actually not really relevant in my mind. Who cares if they are being organized at a higher level? It doesn’t make any point more or less salient.)

    But none of that changes the fact she was clearly, in the context of what she was asked and what had been occurring to at least some extent in these meetings, NOT comparing these people to Nazis. She was criticizing protesters that go to these meetings and accuse Obama of being a Nazi.

  97. #97
    On August 20th, 2009 at 1:43 pm, Salt said:

    On August 20th, 2009 at 1:32 pm, chapoutier said:

    Couple things, I apologize for the “non-example” I was not trying to be rude to you.

    Appreciated.

    But none of that changes the fact she was clearly, in the context of what she was asked and what had been occurring to at least some extent in these meetings, NOT comparing these people to Nazis. She was criticizing protesters that go to these meetings and accuse Obama of being a Nazi.

    My point, I suppose, was that politicians have not been above engaging in the Nazi/Hitler rhetoric. It’s just become part of the landscape, so it’s curious when those same politicians suddenly become thin-skinned. In Pelosi’s case, she made the overbroad comment and tried to paint all protesters in the same brush. From her view, anyone that disagrees was someone that was either astroturfed or carried Nazi signs. That’s not even close to describing the majority of protesters and I believe she knows it. It was intellectually dishonest.

    Another example, although I concede that Baird is not necessarily a leader:

    “What we’re seeing right now is close to Brown Shirt tactics,” Baird, D-Vancouver, said in a phone interview. “I mean that very seriously.”

  98. #98
    On August 20th, 2009 at 1:47 pm, John Deaux said:

    It seems to me that Durbin made a Nazi comment back not too long ago.

    Also, You mention Limbaugh and Coulter. A more fair comparison would be Randi Rhodes and Franken when he was on the air. Liberal talk radio has had a great many inflammatory things to say, as have other non-radio personalities (comparable to Coulter).

  99. #99
    On August 20th, 2009 at 1:50 pm, John Deaux said:

    On August 20th, 2009 at 1:43 pm, Salt said:
    From her view, anyone that disagrees was someone that was either astroturfed or carried Nazi signs.

    That’s the plan. Get potential protesters to stay home, afraid they’ll be associated with Nazis if they show up.

  100. #100
    On August 20th, 2009 at 2:15 pm, chapoutier said:

    Also, You mention Limbaugh and Coulter. A more fair comparison would be Randi Rhodes and Franken when he was on the air. Liberal talk radio has had a great many inflammatory things to say, as have other non-radio personalities (comparable to Coulter).

    I actually had looked for some comparable quotes from either of them wrt Bush. Didn’t find any right off the bat. But in all honesty, comparing Rhodes to Limbaugh is apples to oranges. Limbaugh is one of the few people that you could seriously say represents the face of the Republican party (or conservative movement).

    The Baird example is good. And by good I mean bad for Baird. He should apologize for that.

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