Bugseeds and milkvetches and pyrgs, oh my!
Sean Paige explains how Obama’s environmental bureaucrats are exploiting Endangered Species Act listings to destroy jobs, drive up energy costs and thwart progress.
Scary.
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Hopefully these eco-crats will be the same types who’ll pore over granny’s health records with just as much concern for her well-being as they have for the Meltwater Lednian Stonefly.
They have been doing this for a very long time. It is about time we take back our country. The environmental terrorists are killing all of us.
Yeah, but the eco-totalitarians are an important donkey suckling group, so when it comes to a contest between placating them and loyalty to our own species, guess who wins under a donkey administration?
I’m sure you meant “how”.
Still… unbelievable!
Thanks. Working without a caffeine net.
Yeech! Just the thought!
(shudder!)
What moron wants to save a FLY! More moonbat nonsense!
Asked and answered!
More stupidity. 99.99% of the species that ever lived are extinct. Take some DNA, catalog the little SOBs and then eat them. Jeez.
Hey Zero…SURPRISE…I AGREE!!! I also think a lot of those environmental wackos need to become extinct, and very soon.
Yet another repeal candidate for the incoming Republican administration.
The article says no such thing. The Endangered Species Act is the law of the land. The Obama administration is carrying out its duty to enforce the law. There is a contrast with the previous administration, which ignored laws it didn’t like.
I have never understood the concern over a species, yet the lack of concern over individual animals themselves. It is all human centric in my opinion. I actually care more about the pigs, cows, dogs, cats getting slaughtered than “endangered species”.
But doesn’t this “preserving their habitat” thing fly in the face of the whole theory of evolution?
Time to drive the environmentalists out of control and eliminate this law.
My son wore his PETA shirt to a local archery range. He got some odd looks, then smiles as they read the fine print:
People
Eating
Tasty
Animals
MtsEdge:
In a way yes, but not really.
The concern is though that humans beings have become so powerful that we are capable of destabilizing the envirorment so much with drastic effects for ourselves. In some cases there is reason to be concerned; for example: over-fishing or killing off predators that results in swarms of pests.
Just because evolution is true doesn’t mean we have to practice it to the point of knowingly harming ourselves, that would kind of go against evolution.
Unfortunately, most times the concern is nonsense, or even (as this article claims) there are alterior motives.
*ulterior
Law of the land… Seems I’ve heard that from Obama previously, in particular while referencing his illegal alien aunt. Where is she now?
Selective enforcement of the law for your own political gain is no better than ignoring it. When President Obama begins to show a greater interest in law enforcement and not just new law legislation to enhance his “legacy” perhaps we’ll consider your faith-based argument.
lgm said:
lgm – the previous administration and this administration both ignore laws they don’t like – illegals anyone? It’s all about selective enforcement eh?
I am not seeing any contrasts. Obama = Bush in more ways than you care to admit. Then again you are in a kool-aid stupor and thus are unable to see them at any rate.
LGM:
The point of the article is that some folks are using the letter of the law to undermine the spirit of the law.
Putting aside the fact that you know I disagree with you on this point, why wouldn’t we expect these creatures to *adapt* to the changes that are occurring in their environments? You know, survival of the fittest and all?
And if evolution is “true”, why is it still referred to as a theory?
Let’s stick to the topic at hand, please.
If you must go down this road with ZA, can you take it to that mega-thread?
LOL…tks for the laugh.
MtsEdge:
I have already answered your questions. They would either adapt or die off; in any case, the results could be negative for humans. Reread what I have said carefully please.
The heliocentric model of the solar system is also a theory. Scientists do not use the word the same way lay-people do.
If you insist on replying WRT evolution bring it to monster thread:
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/07/23/the-dont-taze-me-bro-moment-of-henry-louis-gates/comment-page-76/#comment-783693
…I’ll look for your reply there.
Salt, beat me to it:
Way to go off-topic MtsEdge! Nice going!
rightisright:
Heh. NP. Glad you liked it.
Oh, the ironies are delicious (pun intended).
The Delta Smelt fish (about two inches long) in the Sacramento Delta is preventing water from being supplied to California farmers. Hence, no need for illegal immigrant farm workers.
The kangaroo rat is protected because it is really, really lousy at breeding.
Off Topic, but of interest.
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Salt and ZA, thanks so much for your input. I believe the question IS relevant (well, maybe not the thing about *theory*). But, in deference to your requests, I will not pursue this question further on this thread.
That picture really does whet the appetite, doesn’t it?
MtsEdge:
It’s not in any way relevant. Arguments for or against conservation remain the same either way.
So, you are not coming to monster-thread?
Bugseeds and milkvetches and pyrgs and lgm, oh my!
John:
Not unless you are french or like french foods. Hey, where’s chap?
You’ll notice there is little concern for that soon-to-be-extinct species:
Americus Commonsensicus
Poor eco-whackos; They can’t even reconcile their own hypocrisy. Remember Darwin? Any species that does not adapt is destined to die off and that strengthens the ecosystem. Does anyone really miss the Dodo? Maybe the Dodo was the only thing standing between us and global warming. Damn! There is no stopping it now…………
lgm, now just where in the Constitution does it give the federal government the power to take over health care? (since you want to talk about ignoring law)
Every now and then I pop in and browse, but I don’t know if I have the inclination to add to the chat there today.
Speakeasy #35, you said it better than me. Thanks.
SpeakEasy:
As I mentioned above:
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/08/20/bugseeds-and-milkvetches-and-pyrgs-oh-my/comment-page-1/#comment-783702
…some conservation makes sense. Most is crap though.
Hey, so am I, can I get a government grant?
Well, I was only referring to the impending debate on the theory, not your first question.
You mean such as the recent observation that Sol also has an orbit, albeit the point of pivot might still reside within the star yet not at it’s true center?
…but I digress.
Caucasians represent less than 2% of the world human population, I’m sure the ESA will jump right on it and demand class and geographical protections for White people.
Guess the ESA harbors a teeny bit of prejudice.
The ESA has turned into nothing more than a source of employment for environuts and their lawyers.
If they were to take all the money they’ve spent on litigation over the past 30 years and applied it toward actual habitat preservation/renovation the species they keep using for lawsuits wouldn’t be endangered.
As examples, I give you ducks Unlimited, Pheasants Forever, Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation etc. etc. etc. All of these groups spend their money on habitat. As a result the targeted species, in addition to any other species using the same habitat, has thrived.
The environuts are no more interested in species preservation than the Obama Administration is interested in health care reform. It’s strictly a money/power thing and nothing more.
I’m convinced that if we let them take their argument to full fruition, we will all be living in caves in the dark eating grass and weeds.
It may be coincidence, but I notice a decline of Chap’s posts, the more Obama’s poll numbers go down.
Salt:
Recent? That follows from both Newtonian Physics and Relativity!
…and being hunted by lions, and tigers, and bears (oh my!).
As other’s have pointed out, it’s perfectly natural for species and subspecies to go extinct over time. What’s unnatural is to try to prop up one that is no longer able to compete successfully (similar to propping up businesses that can’t compete anymore.)
We need to turn the tables on these environmental nutcases. The burden of proof should be on them. If they want to protect a dying species, they should have to produce an environmental impact study to prove the following:
1) The species to be protected is actually important to the ecosystem.
2) Show exactly how the loss of the species will harm the environment.
3) Prove that the activity they seek to prohibit will harm the species in significant ways.
If they can’t scientifically demonstrate all three will occur, they should not have standing in the matter.
Or coincidentally, the death of my grandmother two weeks ago and recently having to put down my very sick cat after twice a day visits at the animal hospital…
Could be that too.
Papa Louie:
Very well said. Two thumbs up. That encapsulates my main point. Thank you.
Sorry, Chap…
Our condolences.
Ouch… poor chap. Now I feel bad about teasing WRT escargot.
Apologies. I meant the somewhat recent (I believe) observation that the distance from true center was larger than expected. The previous theory was that the mass of the Sun made that difference minute.
My point is that the word “Heliocentric” isn’t quite satisfactory by itself in explanation, but I grant I cannot think of another short worded version that’s more apt.
I’m still in recovery from Pluto being a dwarf.
…and I’m going way off topic. Sorry.
Salt:
I was really just teasing you anyways.
Heliocentric worked just fine for my point to MtsEdge, who sadly, does not want to play in monster thread today.
Ditto that. Well said.
Ouch. Sorry to hear that, Chap, sincerely. My condolences.
(I was just about to point out that you’ve been around on other threads.)
+1 to Papa Louie
Zero, I didn’t realize we agreed on this.
Zero, I promise to join you for the fun on the monster thread some day!!
Well, there are some pretty high standards for contributing to monster thread. We expect posts to be on topic, polite and stimulative to the intelligence of the reader. Unless you’d rather just post meaningless drivel. That’s okay too.
Say, anybody heard from Ragspierre lately?
I promise that my posts will meet either (or both) of these standards!!
You mean how like the majority of Democrats ignore the laws they don’t like such as the 2nd Amendment? And ignore the Heller case and continue to deny the liberties established by our founders in places like NYC, San Fran, and every other liberal hellhole they have ignored the law in by creating new laws that subvert the Constituion?
Hypocrisy knows no bounds with liberals.
MtsEdge:
Yes, please read my posts carefully. As I said, the argument is the same with or without the offending theory.
We will all be looking forward to it.
I do.
Chap, my condolences for your grandmother’s passing. And also for your cat. I’m a sucker for a furry feline face regardless of the size.
the future under these people is really scary.
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hope you see the humor and the horror.
You are entitled to thousands and thousands of acres of open land to do your thing.
They say natural blonde people will be extinct in a couple hundred years. I want a government grant and land.
I forgot where the monster thread was. Be forewarned, expect some Southpaw irreverence soon.
It’s the “Don’t Taze Me, Bro” thread. If you ever lose the link, just search (top of the page) for “Taze” and it will be the first one to show up.
and they are working on humans as well…can we start with the libtards first….
Southpaw et al.:
Monster-Thread
tiredofit08:
Well, though I hear people taste like piggy (and I like pork) I don’t think I’m too keen on eating people, unless I was in a plane crash or something, and then only if I had to.
I’m pretty sure if we were all in a plane crash together, your nickname would quickly become Stew.
John:
Not if I got to you first smarta$$! You underestimate me. I’ll have everyone eating out of my hands Lord of the Flies style before you can say morally depraved lunatic.
To be properly served, Northern Leatherside Chub should be dipped in a Brandegee’s Wild Buckwheat batter and deep fried, then seasoned with Ostler’s Peppergrass and laid on a bed of Fremont County Rockcress. Garnishment with Gibben’s Beardtongue is optional.
BON APPETIT
Is your last name “Lecter” by chance?
I am sorry for your loss Chap. I vaguely knew something about a sick cat, but was unawares of your Grandmother’s passing.
I apologize for poking fun during your grief. Please forgive my ignorance.
Dude, I’ve waited years to find the right spot for that stew joke.
The Sierra Club and Enviroment Texas is filing lawsuit against Chevron Phillips Chemical Plant to enforce Clean Air Act in Baytown, Tx. The greenies never tire of going after energy companies and then blame the companies for high price of gasoline.
We need to get rid of all these enviro groups. Once again the gov’t is part of the problem.
John:
LOL. It was a good one. I’m just having fun.
No apology necessary. I was unnecessarily defensive about something you could have no idea about. I apologize to you.
Quite a few conservatives here expressing their sympathies towards you, though. Probably not what you expected when you logged in, eh?
I do consider you all to be heartless bastards who would sooner spit on a homeless African-American baby union rep than look at it. So it was a bit of a shock.
pffft. ILMC? Is that you?
Sorry. I don’t respond to nun-beating, mattress tag removing, evil posters like you.
LOL. Some folks here might do well to consider the point chap is making concerning liberals vs. conservatives. The guys on the other side of the aisle aren’t so bad. Personally, these days, I mourn the fact that US politics has become so polarized.
Hmmm… Maybe not. You neglected the “you guys”, misplaced hyphens and extra exclamation points.
That’s my favorite one so far, Chap. Do you mind if I purloin that one?
Just a quick thought…
lgm alluded to THE ONE’s enforcement of law, as though that were a virtue.
Nazis on trial at Nuremberg cited to the law as a defense. It didn’t work.
No administration can possible enforce all the laws on the federal books. That is one of the MANY reasons we need a much smaller central government. Each must assign a hierarchy of law they will attempt to enforce.
THE ONE has elected to NOT enforce MANY laws…the Constitution chief among them. They have affirmatively VIOLATED MANY laws, including the most fundamental contract and bankruptcy laws.
We cool. I miss my Nana also.
To show my solidarity, I’m going to buy 2 gallons of bleach and pour them into the nearest lake. Then, I’m going to crush every snail I can find.
They can’t be endangered if I make them extinct.
Salt @ #52
Not to be too PC, but didn’t you mean to say little planet?
Ragspierre said (#86):
The President took an oath to enforce the law.
There should be a minimum standard for the crime necessary to be compared to Hitler. Enforcing possibly ill considered environmental legislation that possibly foolishly prevents digging a coal mine is not the same as murdering millions of people. Not even close.
Maybe there should be a minimum number of murders — say ten. A President causing more than ten people to be murdered could be compared to Hitler. Between 2 and 9 the comparison could be to Pol Pot. A single murder could get at most an Arafat comparison.
Now that’s just plain funny.
They’d save diseases if it would give them any credibility.
LGM:
LOL. Of course you are kidding. In all seriousness, anytime anyone makes a Hitler comparison when talking about a politician in a civilized democracy it’s always way off base. It instantly makes the person doing the comparison cede credibility a la Godwin. This is true for both sides.
Wonder how much faster our economy would recover if these burdensome regulations were lifted or modified? We’ll never know with the current administration.
Homeless African-American babies are unionized? Oh, right, ACORN. I forgot.