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By: Jet Jaguar

Jet Jaguar — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:08:37 +0000

On August 27th, 2009 at 11:34 am, corkie said:

On August 26th, 2009 at 8:42 pm, lgm said:

If some Republican Senator would commit to voting for the bill in exchange for some concessions, concessions there would be.

“…concessions there would be?”

This doesn’t make any sense. On one hand, you claim that Dems have the votes. On the other hand you indicate that they would happily grant concessions. Really? Please explain why they would?

corkie, lgm is probably talking about cookies, soda, peanuts, and popcorn.

By: corkie

corkie — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:34:16 +0000

On August 26th, 2009 at 8:42 pm, lgm said:

Do you want to influence the health care reform bill? Bear in mind that Democrats will pass something — they have the votes.

If some Republican Senator would commit to voting for the bill in exchange for some concessions, concessions there would be.

“…concessions there would be?”

This doesn’t make any sense. On one hand, you claim that Dems have the votes. On the other hand you indicate that they would happily grant concessions. Really? Please explain why they would?

By: The really asinine thing about liberals lying about not covering illegals - Page 3

Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:55:09 +0000

[...] Michelle Malkin Obamacare for illegal aliens, revisited “Democrats can keep claiming all they want that illegal immigrants will not be covered in this bill. But their actions speak louder than their words. Democrats have rejected opportunities to close the gaping loopholes in this health care bill that will allow illegal immigrants to participate. “If President Obama is committed to ensuring that illegal immigrants do not benefit from the bill – as he says he is – why not include the same verification mechanisms in this bill as already exist for other federal benefits programs? “What’s more, the bill contains no provisions preventing illegal immigrants from participating in the Health Insurance Exchange that is to be created, including the government-run “public plan” that will be available through the federally-run and federally-subsidized Exchange. This is in direct conflict with the President’s claim that illegal immigrants will not be insured under his plan. “The American people are more intelligent than the President gives them credit for. They understand that simply saying illegal immigrants can’t participate without providing verification is like putting a speed-limit sign on a road, then setting a policy that prohibits police from patrolling the road; it won’t stop speeders, and this bill won’t stop illegal immigrants from benefitting.” BACKGROUND: IMMIGRATION LOOPHOLES IN HR 3200 Open access to Insurance Exchange: HR 3200 contains no provisions preventing illegal immigrants from participating in the Health Insurance Exchange that is to be created, including the government-run “public plan” that will be available through the federally-run and federally-subsidized Exchange. According to CRS: “Under H.R. 3200, a ‘Health Insurance Exchange’ would begin operation in 2013 and would offer private plans alongside a public option…H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens—whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently—participating in the Exchange.” No verification mechanism: Democrats point to language in the House bill that says illegal immigrants cannot get benefits. While that may be technically accurate, it is far from the truth. The fact is that the statement is meaningless because the bill contains no verification mechanism to ensure that illegal immigrants do not receive benefits. Democrats defeated amendments in two congressional committees to close this loophole, including amendments that would use the very same verification mechanism that already exist in statute for other federal programs. Why not include the same verification mechanisms in this bill as already exist for other federal benefits programs? Without the requirement that there be a verification mechanism or a specific verification mechanism provided in statute, the Commissioner could determine that the eligibility requirements could be met either without verification or with as little as a signed attestation. According to CRS: “Some have expressed concerns that since H.R. 3200 does not contain a mechanism to verify immigration status, the prohibitions on certain noncitizens (e.g, nonimmigrants and unauthorized aliens) receiving the credits may not be enforced. However, others note that under �142(a)(3) of the bill, it is the responsibility of the Health Choices Commissioner (Commissioner) to administer the “individual affordability credits under subtitle C of title II, including determination of eligibility for such credits.” __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. [...]

By: Weary Citizen

Weary Citizen — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:06:39 +0000

On August 26th, 2009 at 5:04 pm, sgcwi said:
Tarpon I heard the same, that if they get healhtcare they will layoff the amensty.

And whoever believes that, I have a bridge to sell them. Most likely, la raza knows this will draw more illegals and more anchor babies so they can increase their membership. In the end, they will push amnesty. They are biding time till they have the numbers to force it down our throat. By force if necessary.

Rather than ELIMINATE THE MAGNETS that draw them here and allow ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT to work, our idiot politicians continue adding to the magnets. Only a dumb*ss liberal would fail to see the fallacy of their arguments and actions. Like, how does adding more 3rd worlders, or from anywhere for that matter, in any way help the environment? It doesn’t. How does importing more 3rd worlders who are destitute and will work for peanuts in any way help the “poor” or assist the “war on poverty”? It doesn’t. I can’t tell is they do these things by design or they are truly that stupid.

By: TigerLady

TigerLady — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:35:09 +0000

On August 26th, 2009 at 8:42 pm, lgm said: Conservatives will be unhappy no matter what. But they will be a lot more unhappy if they continue to refuse to negotiate.

I think I remember HImmler saying that to the Jews in Germany.

By: dan708

dan708 — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:03:08 +0000

Yes, the donkeys will do whatever they can to help their La Raza buddies. Trouble is, too many RINOs are likely to do the same. God, we need a third party!

By: Lockstein13

Lockstein13 — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:15:55 +0000

Related to Obamacare (though not the “illegals” aspect):

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203706604574374463280098676.html

Please note the graph/chart.

By: ArizonaNeanderthal

ArizonaNeanderthal — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 02:22:28 +0000

If
*You think We Are the World
*There are no borders, only artificial boundaries
*No people are illegal
*Unequal Wealth is a crime
*Private Property is a crime
*America needs to be punished for Her Exceptionalism
*America needs to be humbled

Then Amnesty, Open Borders, Welfare for Guest Workers and the stripping of American Wealth is fully justified. Obama IS a Marxist and Internationalist as is his whole damn cadre and administration. Frank Marshall Davis taught him well.

Yes indeed There is NO compromise on this abomination. Give half a load to a Liberal and he is back for half of what you have left and half again the year after that.

WE are the civilian national security force! Bitter, Bible-clinging, tea-dumping, NRA members should clean and service their firearms and stock up on ammunition.

Yes, yes and I do believe yes.

By: maisy

maisy — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 02:19:06 +0000

They have far worse in store for us all…watch Glenn Beck….These weasels are our enemies

By: DesertLover

DesertLover — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 02:15:53 +0000

lgm …

I rarely respond to your posts … however at least in tone this was one of your more thought out comments …

You have a couple of fatally flawed assertions in your statement however …

1. Conservatives are not 100% against reform … but they are against throwing the baby out with the bath water by scrapping the entire healthcare system and the insurance and other programs available (which are overwhelmingly approved by the public) and starting all over from scratch for the benefit of a miniscule number of people needing access to better health options …

Conservatives say fix the problems but don’t mess with what is already working …

2. Start out by telling the trial lawyers to shove it and give us tort reform so that the massive liability insurance for physicians won’t be necessary … getting rid of the multi-thousands of frivilous lawsuits alone will lower operating costs for the physicians and hospitals thus lowering costs of healthcare and insurance both …

3. Next address some of the known issues … such as more availability to individuals by putting the 50 lobbyist controlled state insurance commissions out of business so that there are more companies available to select from … that is the competition needed … not some bureaucratic federally mandated and run program …

That alone will be a step toward dealing with the portability issue simply because all companies will be able to sell their policies nationwide which will increase competition even more and cause a downward pressure on pricing …

4. Next comes the insurance denial for pre-existing conditions … this can be handled separately through a separate pool of insurance coverages that would not affect the costs associated with the rest of the coverage policies …

5. Use REAL NUMBERS … not the pulled out of the hat (or elsewhere) BS that keeps being thrown out there … there are not 50 million uninsured “Americans” … once you subtract those younger citizens that feel they don’t need insurance, along with all the people that qualify for one of the programs already available but never apply for coverage, followed by all the illegals who are not in fact U. S. Citizens you will find a very small percentage of people that can’t afford some level of health insurance … and all of those can get health care for free regardless through emergency care …

These are just starters … do these things and then wait a few years and re-examine healthcare and see how much these initial steps did or did not accomplish and then adjust from there …

Common Sense … alas … something the majority of the socialistic extremists on the left do not possess …

By: happyscrapper

happyscrapper — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 01:26:30 +0000

Conservatives will be unhappy no matter what. But they will be a lot more unhappy if they continue to refuse to negotiate.

Baloney! There is NO compromise on this abomination. It needs to be scrapped. There are better ideas out there, but the left won’t even listen to them. The he11 with them. And if they decide to go ahead and pass this anyway, they do it at their own peril. Heads will roll and many jobs will be lost. Count on it. We have compromised ourselves into the mess we are in now. No more.

By: FruNobulux

FruNobulux — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 01:23:30 +0000

On August 26th, 2009 at 8:42 pm, lgm said: Conservatives will be unhappy no matter what. But they will be a lot more unhappy if they continue to refuse to negotiate.

Great logic. “Negotiate” or Dems will include stuff that will really fcuk the country, because that’s what they want to do! So surrender your principles.

Only a lib could advance such an argument or believe that anybody but a feckless moron would accept it. Proves that libs think everyone is as morally bankrupt as they are.

By: Member-VRWC

Member-VRWC — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 01:07:24 +0000

On August 26th, 2009 at 8:42 pm, lgm said: Conservatives will be unhappy no matter what. But they will be a lot more unhappy if they continue to refuse to negotiate.

As if The Zero and the rest of the thug democrat socialists would ever adhere to any agreed upon negotiation. They never have. They never will.

It would be the same as negotiating with Satan.

An old saying comes to mind: better dead than red. But know this: I’ll take a few socialists with me before I go.

By: lgm

lgm — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 00:42:59 +0000

Do you want to influence the health care reform bill? Bear in mind that Democrats will pass something — they have the votes.

If some Republican Senator would commit to voting for the bill in exchange for some concessions, concessions there would be. Look at what happened when Grassley was holding out hope that he might vote for a bill.

Now Democrats are learning that Republicans will oppose the bill no matter what’s in it. They have no incentive to hold anything back — illegals, public option, death panels, you name it.

Conservatives will be unhappy no matter what. But they will be a lot more unhappy if they continue to refuse to negotiate.