Horror in Knoxville update: Cobbins gets life without parole
Reader Chris in Nashville e-mails:
Hi Michelle,
I am sad to report that murderer Letalvis Cobbins got life without parole (which is more likely 25 years or so, or less if state budget constraints dictate otherwise…see California’s recent decision to release nearly 200K inmates) instead of the death sentence he deserved. Channon Christian and Chris Newsom were unavailable for comment.
…I hope and pray that Lemaricus Davidson (the ringleader) gets found guilty and gets the death penalty at his trial later this year. What a disgrace…
Three more trials to go. What agony for the families of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom. Keep them in your thoughts and prayers.
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Execute him! My God, what has happened to our justice system?
Boy, we have to be humane, and make sure we give him a place to live, 3 squares a day, DVD’s to watch, weights to lift, medical and dental care, free laundry service. Out-frigging standing!
Fortunately, he’ll finally find religion in the pokey…unfortunately, it will be radical Islam. Great!
He should have gotten the death penalty. Now, the public has to feed, and house this mean individual.
It’s simple. He’s guilty of 1st Degree Murder.
Execute him.
In California with all of the lengthy appeals that the condemned enjoys, the death penalty is more like a life sentence.
Michelle, thanks for keeping on top of this story.
WHAT? This is damnably unjust!! I hope someone in prison takes a special interest in this POS.
He already has religion right_on. It is called worshiping Lucifer, and it too is a religion of peace.
Sarc/off
now I’ve corrected it for you.
Get a rope!
I feel sick.
Must mean I am bloodthirsty and mean. Maybe I am. I really do not think the people who make these kinds of decisions should be regarded as fully human. If they were really human, the idea of that rabid animal drawing more breath would make them sick, too.
Such people simply have no sense of right and wrong at all. They think they do. Because they feeeel. They know what they feel about that poor man in front of them right now who is going to spend the rest of his life in prison ….. maybe. They know how angry people like me make them ….. angrier than they get about that animal they have decided to inflict on the world for another 50 years or so.
Chimpanzees aren’t that clueless. My dog Max wasn’t that clueless.
I guess I am just ‘filled with hate.’
Oh, well.
A very sad day for the family who thought justice would be upheld.
I find it hard to fathom why the jury did not sentence this animal to death. I’m sure we will hear from them shortly. Sad day for justice in TN.
From our hostess’s post:
God forgive me, but is it wrong to pray for prison justice (the kind that is generally handed out to child molesters/murderers)?
Sometimes there is honor among thieves….
It is truly disgusting that a semi-human piece of garbage like this should be allowed to live.And now the tax payers have the privelige of paying for his room and board until some Left-wing activist judge decides that he has been rehabilitated.The only rehabilitation for a rabid sub-human is to put it down.And in this case,as painfully as possible.
Two and a half years passed, and this “thing” didn’t even know his victims names…sociopathy…do you think that’s worth keeping alive? I don’t!
it just takes one “christian compassionate” bleeding heart to mandate life instead of death. this is why for the first 150 years of this country we didn’t allow women on juries. sorry, but facts is facts.
It won’t be long before he writes a book and becomes a hero to the leftists that will be wearing his photo on their t-shirts.
They publish tomes written in Ebonics? Maybe lgm will visit him, and offer to ghost write it.
This is why there’s a God – because we’re incapable of dispensing justice here on Earth.
Even if he had been given the death penalty, he would not have suffered in any way close to what Channon and Chris endured.
Just be thankful Holder wasn’t in charge. That dillweed would have pardoned them.
Yup. Someday perhaps that jury will end up paying for this travesty….maybe they will find themselves in the same spot as the victims…
Hey, you never know! Suppose, just suppose, this administration decides it needs loyal followers like, oh, I don’t know…something like the Fedayeen Obama?
Stranger things have happened.
Now, now, cheapseat. You don’t know the Christian women in my family. We would have cut off his ba**s, scrambled them with eggs, and served them to him for breakfast.
Little Ma, you just cleared the room of males.
Sorry cheapseat, but with all due respect, this woman has known just as many men who are the “christian compassionate” bleeding heart you speak of who would plead for life instead of the death penalty.
BTW Christian compassion has little to do with justice; those of us who are called by His name try to differentiate between the two.
Don’t forget, the Apostle Paul said that in Christ there is no male or female…all are one with Him.
So don’t go blaming this breech of justice on women. And most especially not with the qualifier of “christian compassion” attached to it.
He just might find a $250 stimulus check from South Side Barry waiting for him when he arrives.
TigerLady,
ROFLMAO
Back when I lived in California during the 1980s-90s, the average time spent in prison on a “life sentence” was seven years. Reaping what we sow seems to be the modus operandi today.
And just think this guy is having flashbacks of Lorena Bobbit and the movie “Fatal Attraction”
(Gunslinger hunched over in pain from the thought……)
GSP
*I prefer to look on the bright side; At least this animal won’t walk like O.J. did; And he likely will not kill again; And if all goes well as I suspect it will, the ringleader will someday be on death row; Boy oh boy, their mothers must be so proud.
*The real injustice is that the state run media has refused to cover the story one iota; The colors just aren’t right, and it took place in flyover country; I long for the death of state run media; They are beyond an embarassment to this country.
I believe Cheapseat put “christian compassion” in quotes because that is what the clueless jerks would tell you it is.
Also, there is no question women voting has warped our political system in favor of the Party of Compassion (Democrats). It’s called the Gender Gap. That tilt permeates everything about our politics and our culture.
The reality is that women do TEND to be more clueless about the need to confront adult male criminal violence with punishment and unavoidable consequences rather than soothing words and an offer to help them rehabilitate. And that applies to dealing with both foreign and domestic thugs.
Even if I was a woman, I would still want unmarried women to be unable to vote ….. unless they had served in combat, or something along those lines.
So should you. If you doubt it, research gender voting patterns.
once again evidence that America has been woosiefied, pussiefied and opraphfied…kill the bastard, slowly! I’m so pissed off at these mealy mouth whiners giving this pig life in prison… I’m sick of this crap.
Ok, life without parole, good enough, take this cum bucket and all the other lifers in the prisons across America and give ‘em say a couple of 1000 acres in southern Utah, or Arizona or Nevada, 1 shovel each, 1 small bag of seeds to grow veggies, buckets to carry water in if they find any and let ‘em go survive the rest of their miserable worthless lives. That life in prison I can go for, oh the acreage is fenced with high voltage fencing.
Point conceded.
Your choice of words could be better. Especially, as with Little Ma, the women in my family don’t take kindly to murderous thugs, whether domestic or foreign, getting the equivalent of a slap on the wrist.
I wouldn’t call that being clueless. And I’d hate to think that we’re that exceptional.
If there is a better way to say what you can see I was trying to say there, please advise how.
Just for the record, there are plenty of women I consider more competent and objective voters than I am. However, all of the ones I can think of at the moment are married. The crazy, irresponsible ones who do not understand men and male violence seem to tend to stay single and vote Democrat.
He may still have a “death sentence”. In prison, he’s low on the “totem pole”, as far as crimes go. He may find life without parole to be hell without parole. He didn’t do a “clean crime”. Prison officers may know this and put him out of the population, in isolation, for his own protection. We can hope still. We may read sometime on how he “got the shank”. In prison, there is a hierachy of crimes; child molesters are the lowest, killers of pregnant women, then rapists/killers. He will find acceptance very difficult and, hopefully, brutal, perhaps deadly.
Substitute man for woman in that statement, and then we might have something to discuss.
As for statistics, we all know they can be skewed to support what one wants to see. I only know that over the years I’ve known just as many men as women who fit your description of “clueless”. And as many women as men who would flip that switch themselves without hesitation.
I thought that this was prosecuted under the hate crimes legislation since it was racially motivated.
Evidently, the only crime that now warrants the death penalty is blowing cigar smoke in the faces of Gitmo detainees.
It is unbelievable that this vile specimen didn’t get the death penalty.
Are you saying that even if you are presented with statistical proof that women generally are more lenient and likely to give criminals lighter sentences than men, you still will not believe it?
Roland, did you ever consider that some women remain single because there are men out there who persist in viewing women as less intelligent or capable than they are? And they’re not all Democrats.
For the record, I am married, but I was single when I ignored the men of the GOP and wrote in Reagan rather than vote for Ford. I had to wait another four years for the boys to figure it out and nominate the right man.
You mean both men and women, don’t you?
Possibly even more difficult to turn into reality, even if our society disintegrates and has to be rebuilt (which will not surprise me at all the way we are going), but I’m game.
However, the stats are real. On BALANCE, the group of single women voters are irresponsible nutjobs, no matter how smart and wise many of them are as individuals.
Statistics and proof are not synonymous.
Listen boys, I’m tired and I still have work to attend to. And I’m really tired of the same old arguments of male vs female.
All I’m saying is that I object to laying the blame for this particular travesty of justice at the feet of women. Period.
No hard feelings.
I’m failing to make what I am saying clear. I am not talking about what any particular individual thinks or does or is capable of doing. It has nothing to do with individual wisdom.
Voting is a mass action. Some easily defined groups vote differently than others, like with 95% of the blacks voting for Obama.
Single women tend to vote a particlar way. TEND. They just DO. As a GROUP. They consistently tend to vote more Democrat than men and married women. When all of the single women vote, the wise woman vote gets more than wiped out. It is a mass action.
That mass action results in different politicians in D.C. than if single women did not vote. Those politicians tend to be more likely to think the death penalty is ‘mean’ and Ahmadinejad can be ‘reasoned with’ and partial birth abortion is simply a ‘woman’s right to choose’ and so on than if all of the single women had not voted.
I agree. This particular cruel idiocy could have easily been perpetrated by clueless men. We don’t yet know.
What I want to say would get me banned.
Roland, quote your stats.
I, like Wayfaring Stranger, “… have known just as many men as women who fit your description of ‘clueless’. And as many women as men who would flip that switch themselves without hesitation.”
We live in different worlds.
Good night, all.
Apparently, your life, or the lives of murder victims, isn’t worth very much in Tennesse.
This doesn’t break out the single women from the married women, but other polls I’ve seen (cannot find them now) had the married women voting like the men, so the unmarried women would have had to be even more Democrat.
And, yes, of course people can lie and spin and so on, but this is consitent with everything I’ve seen poll-wise since I started watching politics in the 1960’s.
Look to the bottom of the article:
http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/gendergap.html
Regarding the trial’s change of venue to Nashville, it’s a darn shame. Justice would certainly have been better served in east or northeast Tennessee.
Thank the Lord, the folks of east and northeast TN are far less tolerate of animals on the loose.
Does anyone know if the remaining trials will be conducted in Nashville or elsewhere?
Last I heard the other waste of human skin Lemarcus or whatever has decided to go with a jury of his peers in Knoxville. Let’s hope that they’re a lot more appalled by him during sentencing and serve him up the needle.
Tennessee has an OJ Simpson jury system. I would like to know the identity, race and political affiliations of these jurors. There is absolutely NO WAY they should have given him anything less than Death. Obviously the prosecution has no idea on how to properly vet biased potential jurors.
Letalvis Cobbins orally penetrated Channon Christian, somewhere between torturing her and leaving her hog-tied in a trash can to suffocate and die.
1. I really don’t care to hear Bill Clinton’s perspective on this “non-sexual” (his definition) act…but since Channon Christian’s unbearable last moment of life far exceeds ANY narrative that Al Sharpton and Tawana Brawley falsely dropped upon the American people for racial gain back in 1987…has Sharpton had any comment regarding this heinous case of a black man violating a white woman’s civil rights?
2. Has Obama ever taken the time to grace us with his perspective on this local case of crime and punishment? I’ll be very disappointed with The Messiah if he, in any way, feels that either Channon Christian or Chris Newsom “acted stupidly” as they were car-jacked, tortured, raped and than executed.
Only twenty-five to life for car-jacking, beating, torturing, mouth-raping, executing and violating the civil rights of two innocent victims of a different race…talk about a “teachable moment.”
It’s sad day for “justice” in Tennessee and I am praying for the victim’s families to get real justice in the upcoming trials.
Roland, it’s amazing that a clueless woman gave birth to such an intellectual giant like you. Please cite your stats (you too BOB). Since I’m a clueless woman, you’ll have to tell me where to find them. You know, the ones that say women are ‘clueless’ and ‘lenient.’ Perhaps you can get off your throne for awhile and take a statistics class. There you may find the following: If women vote differently than men, it does not mean that they are ‘clueless’ or ‘lenient’, as if men are smarter or more rational. It simply means that women sometimes vote differently than men. In other words, the problems’s not with the stats, its with the interpretor. That would be you.
Oh, come ON!! This is ridiculous. How many times do I have to say I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUAL WOMEN???
Just out of curiosity, are there any women out there reading this who DO understand what I’m talking about?
Happy, read my post at 11:13pm.
Allow me to see if I can understand what’s going on in this great Nation of ours:
An individual who participated in a variety of unspeakable brutal violent crimes against two innocent people will be provided room/board/care for the next 25 years (or as budget dictates). Meanwhile, The President et al are trying to pass a bill which would provide “end of life counseling” for a senior citizen who requires extra care?
WTF?!?!?!?
Another miscarriage of justice. Every time I think humans have got their heads on straight, they do a weak-willed, enabling thing like make this person a perpetual leech on the taxpayer. He was directly responsible for the deaths of two people, and even admitted it, yet there doesn’t seem to be the guts or the will to do the right thing.
The more and more I see of things like this, the more I’m beginning to think that humanity is doomed. When we spare people like Cobbins, what kind of message does it send to victims’ families and to larger society? I just don’t understand what motivated this sentence. I mean, Cobbins is not only a threat to the community, his survival serves no useful purpose except that somebody thought they should be merciful and keep this punk alive when he obviously had no respect for life.
Cheapseat:
No offense, and I like you and all, but this woman would have voted death for this punk. I despise people like this, especially people who don’t give a crap about human life except to play with it, and see it suffer.
Not all women are like me. I can only imagine what those victims’ families are going through and I wouldn’t want to be a reason for their suffering.
This bastard should have gotten the death penalty. Period.
While I try not to be the easily offended sort, I may have to make an exception when it comes to this comment. I also do realize that you probably should not generalize, choose your words carefully, and better yet, make some exceptions. Frankly, women are not homogeneous nor are they a simple group to categorize.
I don’t believe murderers and thugs like this Cobbins monster are capable of rehab or change. For what Cobbins did, he deserves to suffer. Just as I believe we should just kill terrorists on the battlefield and be done with it and anybody who enables them.
Too harsh? I can be a bit blunt at times. A constant source of exasperation for my mother.
While I understand that there are many ignorant, deluded, and frankly irrationally “compassionate” women out there, there are millions of women like myself who aren’t regarding this situation. I can protect myself, know how to shoot a gun, and carry mace with me always.
There are many women who tend to overly identify with abortion, which is sad, and ironically an anchor that will keep many of them from thinking for themselves, and this drives their voter identification. There are just as many other women who can think for themselves.
I agree with Wayfaring Stranger about there being as many clueless men as women. I have this particular brother-in-law, who lost his masculinity a long time ago after marrying a overly controlling, manish, feminist harpy, and who thinks that Obama is THE most compassionate president EVER (I’m not paraphrasing, this was his Christmas Card). After letting his harpy of a wife further immasculate their two sons, he just seems like the type who wouldn’t be able to confront real evil if it bit him on the nose. Did I mention that he’s Roman Catholic, tends to lecture the rest of us poor heathens about what a good Christian he is, even though he’s a shadow of a man compared to my husband and his other brother?
I’ve seen clueless men and women. Perhaps, it’s just random selection. Or something more.
I do understand what you’re talking about, you just need to perhaps rephrase in a way that the ladies in this forum don’t take you the wrong way. No worries.
That MIGHT be the most retarded thing I’ve ever read.
“Facts”? Were there even women on this jury? Did a female on the jury, if any such were present argue for life over death?
You’re a complete nitwit… frankly, mentally deficient wingnuts like you are a large part of the problem we’re in.
Translation: They disagree with me, so remove their right to vote.
Should we remove their rights to free speech, keep and bear arms and all the rest while we’re at it?
You might look into a job with the Obama Administration. You’d fit right in, and I hear they’re hiring.
Here are some statistics on support for the death penalty, men vs. women.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/14050/Who-Supports-Death-Penalty.aspx
If you google something like this:
“Is there a difference in support for the death penalty between men and women?”
You will find lots of statistics.
The one I linked is from Gallup polling.
Take a look.
Bob,
I’m not sure what you’re getting at. Perhaps, you and Roland need to find a quiet corner over a bottle of your favorite beverage to discuss this. What are you actually accomplishing with this statistic?
I have to say, 61-62% of women SUPPORT the death penalty is surprising. I thought it would be a LOT lower. A lot. I was pleasantly surprised save for the nasty shock that this Tennessee jury handed down to a grieving family
I would like you to consider something, Bob. Something, that shaped my young life and forever changed how I viewed the death penalty as an adult woman. In high school (I was a senior) I was acquainted with a sophmore girl who worked in the same room after school (worked on yearbook and she on the newspaper) that I did. I didn’t know her very well, but she was sweet, polite, and well thought of based on comments made by those who worked with her and my own observations.
One night, a black man and his mother broke in to her home with her, her parents, and brother inside. These two monsters held the family at gun point, robbed them, then killed all of them at close range. However, they saved this poor girl for last. The man raped and tortured her before killing her. They then took what they robbed and burned down the home.
Now, this happened about 17 years ago so my memory may be missing a few fine details. It happened in a place not known for a huge crime rate (Ithaca, NY). The people, like me, that worked around this innocent girl every day, were left impacted the most. It changed me the most because of the utter cruelty of what these two monsters did to a family just living their lives.
The police eventually caught up to these thugs, mostly through the fraudulent transactions I believe they made on the family’s credit card. They were tracked down to Syracuse, NY where the male assailant died in a shootout with police while his mother was taken into custody and is, still, I believe, in prison (for all I know she’s out).
I don’t think this made much press but if it did, I don’t recall. This event, this unnecessary crime, wiped out a whole family and for what? No one will ever know. Just like they’ll never understand why this thug did what he did.
So, Bob, before you think that women are emotional saps who fall for sob stories, keep this story in mind. I was 17 years old at the time and I still remember that girl. Her face. What she was like. I don’t remember much else about high school and I don’t even go to high school reunions (I despised high school) but her life left an imprint on mine and I barely knew her.
This is why I support the death penalty. Anyone sick and inhuman enough to do what happened to a young girl I was casually acquainted with in high school, and what this thug did to to innocent people, don’t deserve life. Period.
I think the problem is that it’s impossible to say what I am quoting here from the Gallup Poll that I referenced without someone misinterpreting the purpose:
“Although a majority of both men and women support the death penalty, men are much more likely to do so than are women. More than 7 in 10 men (74%) support the death penalty, compared with 62% of women.”
When these statistics are quoted, some individuals believe it is being said that they must be soft on the death penalty. There are all kinds of statistics that define what different groups of people say, in polls, about many different subjects, are their beliefs. In no case do the results of these polls mean that every person in the group being polled thinks the same way. Some of the responses here seem to miss that very important point.
The Gallup poll is the only one I actually looked at, and yes the fact that it shows men 74% to women 62% who say they favor the death penality surprized me. I would have thought the difference was larger. Still, as the poll said, it is statistally significant.
Once again though, this poll and/or any other poll has nothing to do with what an individual thinks about the death penalty or anything else.
Seems clear and without controversy to me.
1. Isn’t it funny how these types of killers never want the death penalty? I guess the value of life is only important when it’s your life.
2. Instead of our honored veterans, why not offer physician assisted suicide to prisoners? How many would find it an acceptable alternative to repeated homosexual rape?
Crime went up when public executions in the town square stopped.
Plain and simple.
To cheapseat:
I don’t think these black fellows liked white people very much. Perhaps they can eventually secure a czar position with Obama, after the Holder vetting.
In any case that goes to a jury, I tend to have very high expectations of the DAs/prosecution. They have to cull the juror pool in such a manner and present a case such a way as to there being no doubt whatsoever.
It will be interesting to know what it was that caused some of the jurors to go soft.
I also believe it’s time to seriously look at black on white hate crimes. Pending(?) legislation doesn’t address this does it? I’m not for any hate crime legislation but a good long discussion on hate coming from any race/group/class would be a good one.
Call me naive but it has only been recently that I started to believe that black parents could actually teach their children to hate white people. Not to mention preachers!
Do you really understand it, Emjem? If you do, would you please tell me how to say what I am saying in a way “the ladies in this forum don’t take it the wrong way” instead of just accusing me of being offensive? I keep repeating I am not talking about individual women, yet you all here keep taking it as if I am talking about YOU, the individual.
Or are you simply saying men should not speak some unpleasant political truths around women because it hurts their feelings? Egad. How liberal.
BTW, when I brought this up I thought I was pointing out the obvious. I thought everyone here knew about the gender gap. It was not my intention to hijack the thread. So I’ll shut up now. Deeply disappointed.
Gladz -
We didn’t have much of a hate debate and reckless avoiding of stories such as this by the MSM until the Big O came on the scene.
Men are hunters. Women are nurturers. It’s how we were made. We compliment each other. This provides balance.
jangar,
Big O and Katrina.
vive la différence!
Seriously, if stats show that women think differently than men, then a DA should figure out how to present a case or arguments that would touch a woman, woooo, in such a way as to get the desired verdict/punishment.
W/o having been on the jury and just reading what’s been on MM’s site, I’d have voted for death. But I wasn’t nor were some of the men here either. We just need to wait to find out more.
GladzKravtz-
Sadly I knew this has been going for a long time. My first experience with it was when I was working at BMC Jacksonville as a young HM3 in Optometry when a dependent wife called me a racial slur (hOnk3y) in front of her 11 y/o daughter. Intially I couldn’t believe what I heard and asked her to repeat what she said and she replied, “You heard me al right!”.
My next patient was a black CPO and his first remarks after watching this was is don’t blame every black person, not all of us are like that. I replied yes Chief, and I don’t want to hear anymore that only whites can be racist.
If my command had a backbone, her active duty husband (PO1/E-6) would have been given a written warning to control his families behavior and that if it happened again he would be going to Captain’s Mast with the potential of losing a stripe and his family would have been banned from the medical facilities on base.
Fortunately my Optometrist had a spine, saw the 11 y/o daughter and spoke a few words to the DW.
While non-black (and conservative black) families have dealt with the subject of racism, and most of them put it down when their children engage in it very quickly.
GSP
GSP Glad a little something was done for the 11 y/o.
Mr. K and I were in a big box (WM) store in Az. when a 5-6 y/o black girl put her hand in his hand. We were both stunned – touched – basically frozen. One of the female adults in the group saw this and yelled at the child to not touch ‘that white man’. Then the adult male started threatening the child that she would get a beating when she gets home. Kept saying it so much that I tried to say that she didn’t mean it…oh my…the words and threats I got. I’ll never forget that and wonder what’s going on in that child’s mind now.
Wish we could address this race thing openly and work it out.
So that means he should be out in time to be a 2012 Democrat campaign worker and poll watcher.
…and nominee for Czar of Race Relations during the second term.
I just made myself sick…gonna puke, then go to work. Y’all have a good day.
I’d like to see a new bill in Teddy’s honor: The Chappaquiddick Death Penalty Express Lane Bill – make the Texas death penalty statutes national.
How many cartons of cigarettes would it take to make sure this scumbag gets “special attention” from the population?
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Anyone who deliberately murders another person has only one thing to pay for their crime with–their own life.
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Real death penalty now. One year and one appeal–hanging or firing squad if appeal fails–CHOICE THE PERP CAN BELIEVE IN.
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No more 40 year stays on Kalifornia style “death rows”. No 12 days per victim “cruel and unusual” punishments for Lockerbie style terrorists with “life” sentences.
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John Bibb
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Here’s the news from our local paper:
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/aug/27/life-without-parole-jury-rejects-death-penalty-let/
Cobbins’ trial was held in Knoxville; the jury was shipped in from Nashville. It was comprised of four black women, two black men, one Asian man, three white men and two white women.
Cobbins’ sisters and aunts were shipped in from Memphis to plead for his life (hadn’t seen him in eight years) and many around here think that’s what turned the trick with the jury. It only took one.
The word ‘lenient’ does not appear in your Gallup Poll statistical references, Bob, because that is your interpretation of them. Roland did not even bother to give me a reference for ‘clueless’ women’s voting patterns on juries or in elections, because there aren’t likely to be any scientific studies that use the word ‘clueless.’ Again, the interpretation is not an accurate desciption of the stats/facts.
Food for thought: The best-selling author and former Manhattan Sex Crimes Prosecutor, Linda Fairstein, referenced stats in one of her her books, that women judge the victims in rape trials more harshly than men, which is different than saying they are more ‘lenient.’ (I can’t remember if that included rape/murder trials.) I tried to find the reference but it was not readily available and I have to go to work.
GK-
It makes me shutter to wonder what happened to that child when she got home for something so innocent. As far as the threats are concerned, there is absolutely no execuse for that and can you imagine what would happen if the little girl’s teacher is white.
I pity the teacher…
GSP
“This is Sparta!”
Look, Bob, I think that you need to clarify what you’re saying. Now, there will definitely be some feminists out there who will say, “you’re a sexist pig, Bob.” I’m not one of them.
I’m not missing anything. I get what you’re saying, like I tried to say in my previous response. I’m not railing against you. However, what bugs me is that there are some, and I mean some, folks out there who look at women and dismiss them. I’ve gotten that my entire life, even by fellow women. There are women out there who are just as sexist as there are men. Sad to say.
I’m glad you brought up this poll, Bob. Yes, there is a slightly bigger percentage of men that support the death penality than women but I really don’t think it’s as significant as you do. I would like to see this poll broken down more such as what the percentage of married versus single women who support the death penalty. I would like to see that analyzed.
I also undestand this. Statistical exercises like polls can only reveal so much. What is controversial is, perhaps, why Gallup cannot, perhaps, break up the polls into specific groups more such as married/single status. However, sometimes marriage doesn’t change a woman. Some women, like my liberal sister, still think everybody is their friend, and it’s a cumbaya world.
I just think, in some ways, that women are enclosed in voting blocs a little too much. I have nothing in common with many liberal women (and believe me I’ve had liberal girlfriends) except gender. I have some of the biggest problems with women because of how they treat other women. In the workplace, I’ve become acquainted with some women who are the biggest backstabbers and ingrates whereas men have never given me any trouble.
I hate to sound a tired old meme, but women are a lot more complex, though I’m gladdened that there are a lot more of us who have our heads on straight. I just wonder how many who support the death penalty would actually see it through or if they voice support to feel better about having some kind of control over the animals that do stuff like Cobbins.
Polls don’t reveal everything. Gallup needs to have a question such as: “Would you vote for the death penalty if you found a preponderance of evidence indicated that a murderer was not only elibible but you found yourself on a jury of their peers.” Something like that.
Uggghhh, Roland, I do undestand. I’ve taken many women’s studies classes only to find how one-sided much of feminist history can be. It just feels like you’re generalizing is all about a whole group of people that, on the outside, look similar, but think very differently when given a closer look.
I want to ask you something, Roland. Do you know what it’s like to be dismissed just based on your gender? There are some men who will never look beyond the surface to see the person inside. When you have people like your own father and grandfather dismiss you because you weren’t born a boy, it stays with you.
No, I’m not suggesting it in the slightest way. Yes, there are unpleasant political truths about women that I’ve become painfully aware of. I have problems with the women in my own family. Some women, like my mother, do not like confrontation or to hurt anybody else’s feelings but feel safe enabling unhealthy behaviors. Some women, like my sister, will always treat other women, like me, like bugs under their shoe because they’re competitive, spiteful wenches.
I’m not liberal. If anything, I wish polls would stop using the whole gender bloc voting question. Or at least split it up to give the gender question some diversity. When you live in a world where a PC-driven media wants you to think, act, and vote like everybody else, you’d understand where I’m coming from.
I don’t think you intentionally tried to hijack but brought up something to think about. However, I don’t think the gender gap is a fully fleshed out reason why women and men approach the death penalty differently. Please, do not feel discouraged. I’m gladdened that men (and women) think about such things.
I think men (and women) have more in common than they might think. Yet, they still act and feel differently. I wouldn’t have it any other way. I just wish we were more honest with one another and got past the gender stereotypes that still have stuck around just like I wish our society could get beyond a PC-driven culture that pushes a false homogeneity.
That is all.
“Christian compassion”
So just how do you want to react to the truth that Jesus Christ’s death on the cross purchased a forgiveness that is available even to this sorry excuse of a human being? That from God’s point of view we are all equally guilty and in need of the same sacrifice of His Son in exactly the same way as this slime, as Jeffrey Dahlmer and Mother Theresa.
And the way I know a person understands that is when they fall to their knees overwhelmed by God’s grace and mercy.
Yes execution is more than warranted. But throwing around “Christian compassion” as you have is sadly ignorant and demonstrates a lack of understanding of your own sin and position before a perfectly and infinitely Holy God.
Thank you for once again pointing out to us just how nutty regular Christianity is. You are ‘the same’ as that vicious ‘thing,’ and therefore just as deserving of torture beyond imagination for all of eternity.
Speak for yourself.
Your intentions are meaningless to your God, because he is so ‘perfect.’ No, your intentions do not matter, only your weakness. The weakness he BUILT you with. And your compulsions. The compulsions he BUILT you with.
So ALMIGHTY GOD that suffers NO FEAR, and NEVER HAS, judges YOU who has already been condemned at your creation to live in a state of constant fear (at varying levels) for three score and ten. It does not matter to that monstrous being how hard you try to overcome the weaknessess and compulsions he forced on you.
IT judges YOU. Because IT has the POWER.
Your God is a MONSTER, JS. But then, volcano Gods always are.
If there really is a God, YOUR sick image of ‘God’ will be ruling only in HELL.
You and your ilk worship THE POWER. Worship of the Power WILL burn you in Hell if there really is a Good God.
Worshipping power only works on earth. Learning that worshipping power is an evil thing is your assigned task.
YOU are FAILING.
….Pol Pot, Stalin, Castro, Guevara, Tung, among others, could not have agreed more….
Trolls never live in peace.
Rio
Semper Fi!