Rep. Michele Bachmann to heckler: “I’ve given birth here probably more times than you, sir”
Some pro-socialized medicine hecklers tried to shout down GOP Rep. Michele Bachmann as she pointed to the crappy care pregnant moms are getting in the U.K.
Watch her snappy retort. Video via Eyeblast (hat tip: Stephen Gutowski):
Rep. Bachmann is not only a mom of five and foster mom of 23, she is also a firecracker spokeswoman for the conservative movement.
Give ‘em hell!
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Got to meet her on the Hill last month. Here’s a pic.
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I am entirely unclear how it automatically means ‘abortion’ if you say ‘my body, my choice’. Yes, yes, the “pro-choice” people have used that line for so long that it is instantly associated with abortion. But why does it not also apply to other medical choices?
“My body, my choice” ought to apply to all of us, except when a clear, present, urgent, inarguable threat to the populace exists (such as a case of ‘Typhoid Mary’).
I’d like to see those four little words taken away from the “pro choice” folks and made to apply to everyone, male and female, from birth through death.
I have never claimed to be a diplomat moonshot. I never will be. I call them as I see them. Now for the shocker. I do not support publicly funded abortions nor do I support abortions under the age of 18 without a court order. (With the exception of life saving abortions in those cases).
BUT I do not believe the procedure should be illegal. Women should be able to get the procedure but I sure as hell don’t want to pay for it.
So stop trying to create a hypocracy where none exists.
What’s with the ‘Jeremiah’ kick?
Here, I have a few verses for you…
Jeremiah 10:14-15
for those who don’t want to look it up:
Nope. I know what she meant by it…but its the same silliness as saying you don’t want government-run health care but keep your hands off my Medicare.
You’re right moonshot. It is totally the same thing.
Glad we agree.
Exactly!! What the libs don’t seem to grasp is that the failed policies of the liberals will affect all of us, including lgm, RSS, ILMC, Etc. They will suffer as much…in fact, more than we will. They are not prepared to be self-sufficient and when the crap hits the fan, they will be like the hapless and helpless people in New Orleans who stood in the middle of the bridge and waited for someone to bring them a drink of water.
We are in complete agreement on this. Go figure.
I know you are but what am I?
*sticks out tongue*
“will affect all of us, including lgm, RSS, ILMC, Etc.”
Doesn’t bother them because they will blame Bush for the lines and lousy care.
silliness = dumbass. I am simply less diplomatic.
BTW There is no hypocracy there for me either. I think medicare should be scraped and totaly re-writen as well. Its a failure of epic propotions. The medical system can be fixed, but this massive pile of crap will only make things worse. Want my support? Scrap meicaid, medicare, chip, this bill and all the government run health care boondoggles foisted on america over the last 70 years and start again. The first thing that needs to go into it is tort reform. The system they are proposing has all of the bad parts of private insurance and none of its benefits.
Pre-ordained reaction from a dumbass.
Not if they have their facts straight. This poor boob took one in the shorts “for the team.”
Well, it’s pretty clear from her picture that she’s never seen a British dentist.
ECS
Ta-da!!!
love it.
Conservative ladies ROCK!
I take back what I said about your character then but encourage you to be more diplomatic since you are clearly an intelligent person.
@RSS, who said:
I’m of the mindset that each state should have the exclusive right to set their own insurance standards. If California wants to mandate that each company has to cover everything forever with absolutely no co-pay, ever, then they should have the right to demand that. If Michigan wants to allow policies that only cover major medical and pays for nothing that costs less than $1,000, then they should also have that right. 50 health care experiments have a much better chance of producing success than a single mandate.
Again, I’m pretty much a small federal government type.
If we the people want health to be a American right, then they should amend the constitution.
I’m not an anarchist, even I think the federal government’s power should probably cover air and water, as that clearly falls to general welfare as opposed to specific welfare, but there’s no good reason we shouldn’t amend the constitution to make that role official.
If you’d like to debate philosophy, you can email me at malkinmarcopolo, with a gmail domain.
I set that up just you!
Why didn’t you just take my word for it?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/02/eveningnews/consumer/main610102.shtml
84,000 a year for malpractice insurance. Thats 84,000 a year that goes right to increasing the cost of medicine.
Step one. Tort reform.
Step two. Allow insurance plans to be sold country wide.
moonshot, Thanks. I knew what you were saying, I sometimes use the same tactic. But I expect people to call me on it!!!
I am a dumbass sometimes as well. As is every single person who is reading this sentence.
Its called being human.
I was too busy having a hissy over being called a dumbass. I’ll try to be more diplomatic from now on too.
One way to care for the elderly that I might put forward as a replacement for medicare is this. Once you turn 65 you have a choice, Lower taxes in exchange for you buying your own health insurance (Which will be reformed somehow to be affordable) OR You hand over all your assests to a government agency except for a monthly stipend and let them take care of you for the rest of your life.
Not perfect I am sure but an idea.
Dude, if this gets to you, never, ever join the military, basic will destroy you. Dumbass was probably the nicest thing the drills called me.
lol good advice, my friend!
Nothing is perfect…but at least you have some idea’s instead of offering no solutions at all.
This is so late nobody will probably see it, but this is a must-read:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/obamacare_and_me.html
This woman gives me more representation in DC than my own rep or 2 senators.
GladzKravtz said (#54):
Those “tid bits” are the actual information: health care costs and quality under various systems.
This, on the other hand, is made up. If France and Canada are any indication, we will be happier after health care than before (and not because of discounted oxitocin).
sonofdy said (#88):
Do you dispute the statistics there? Google: medical insurance competition, and look at any of the links. It’s the same story. This one was short and clear, for those who don’t like to read too many sentences in a row.
Bingo!! And just because abortion is legal, that doesn’t mean you have to have one!! You have the choice NOT to kill your baby. At least you do at the present time. So when Michele says she wants government to stop trying to control what she does with her own body, that is NOT inconsistent.
Of course, moonbats are purposely obtuse, so trying to make them understand when they already do, is a true lesson in futility.
“Canada”
Huh? You think Canada’s health care system makes them happy? Is better then the US? Really?
From Canada. No chance to blame Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh….
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Fraser+Health+Authority+confirms+cutbacks+surgeries+services/1892143/story.html
@lgm, who doesn’t believe our crystal ball is working properly.
http://volokh.com/posts/1251441225.shtml
Scroll down to see a link to the first post he references.
Damn, she looks hot in that picture. What the hell is it about conservative Mothers-of-Five?!
This is off topic, but I just have to say it…Some moonbat today said that the rain in Boston is God crying because of the death of Ted Kennedy. No.He.isn’t. He is spitting.
I have experienced both military health care and private health care. Private, please.
I went to a specialist today and noted a sign saying Tricare Prime patients needed a referral, but it didn’t say that for anyone else. Why? (No, really, why? I happened to get a referral in my private insurance, but never checked if I HAD to.)
I think if we are cleared to legally demand that parents care for their children up to the age of 18, we are cleared to legally prohibit abortion. I also think that we are cleared to demand some contribution from the father to the mother’s pregnancy-related medical bills, perhaps even over 50 percent, as the father will during this period be in a better position to make money and not, you know, actually experiencing any of the pregnancy. Can paternity tests be performed before the child is born? (Otherwise, I recognize the previous suggestion could be an extortion magnet.)
I would like to see Roe v. Wade overturned, and the rest left to the states. I would like to see most abortions outlawed. I think abortion is a tool of the patriarchy that lets men out of responsibility while punishing women for becoming pregnant. I do want exceptions for cases of rape and danger to the mother’s life, however. The second of those is a legitimate triage situation between the woman and the doctor.
I also do not believe it is hypocritical to be both against abortion and for the death penalty, and did not believe so even when I was firmly against both. (I’m starting to climb on the fence regarding the death penalty, because of a changing opinion about whether some lifers could continue to be dangerous to the general population from their prison cells.) There is no suggestion that an aborted baby has done anything wrong. It’s not the same issue at all.
The last time Congress created a health care plan, they gave us the dreaded HMO. That alone should be enough to discredit them for eternity.
“they gave us the dreaded HMO”
By Sen. Edward Kennedy by the way.
I think you have hit that nail right on the head. And yet, the Feminists actually believe they are doing women a favor by ensuring it remains legal and widespread (not safe and rare.)
There’s also the question of why we cannot compile statistics so we can determine the rate of complications resulting from abortions. I bet that figure would be eye-popping.
I may require a minor heart procedure in the near future. I bet I can get the rate of all likely complications in about two minutes. Since abortion is a medical procedure, why can’t women who are considering it get the same information?
“Dimwit Dem Libtards just shouldn’t be allowed to be in the same room as us, they just take up air and are as dumb as rocks.”
That is very offending comment…to rocks everywhere.
Umm, Dude, do you really need to go there? Didn’t we already cover how housing rights activists have disturbed board room meetings?
Really, so a report from the UK Guardian or studies already being done in the UK will not suffice? How ’bout at least 1 million patients with substandard or inadequate care? I guess there have been some patients left behind. Or, how ’bout expectant mothers giving birth to their babies in toilets, hallways, but not patient rooms. There is even some encouragement by the NHS medical staff for these women to have at-home births, even if they’re at high risk for complications.
Have you? Regail us with how much the NHS benefited your life (if you can). Have you been to Europe at all? At least 10+ years ago I could see the trouble brewing in Spain where I studied. There were lots of stories about how the welfare state couldn’t be sustained and the resistance from unions to have their cushy benefits cut. I’ve been to the UK and their young people have bad teeth. Overall, there’s a sector of the population willing to keep a bad idea alive so it won’t force these people to actually contribute to society.
Or, how ’bout Canada’s problems? The multiple stories of how their pregnant mothers must have their babies over the border. Or how the system will implode if something isn’t done soon to fix it, which was admitted to by the new chief of the system.
So, lgm, I can’t for the life of me see how there can be anything wrong, right? Socialist utopias never have their drawbacks as long as Big Brother can get the recipients to believe everybody is deserving of equal misery AND there is a bountiful supply of OPM (Other People’s Money).
Problem is, there is never a Plan B or C when either a) people become disaffected and unhappy with a floundering system and b) the OPM runs out. Then what do you do, lgm? Click your heals like Dorothy and go back to Kansas?
Roe v Wade? This Supreme Court decision prohibits states from prohibiting abortion. How is a law (HR 3200) that proposes to require end-of-life consultations and that everyone (even people who will always refuse medical care on religious grounds) to obtain medical insurance (among other things) similar to a decision that purports to preserve choice? How about I choose whether I provide for my own health care or not and accept the consequences? How about I decide if I want to spend my money to pay for someone else’s health care? It seems to me that Roe v Wade would be a good argument that HR 3200 is actually unconstitutional in that it violates my implied right to privacy.
LGM, Obama is on tape admitting that single-payer (socialized medicine) will have to be done gradually so the public can be fooled into it. Do a little research and wake up- not likely.
Let’s take them in order, Nancy-boy.
1. Last week you had your panties in a wad about people at Town Hall meetings shouting out. So what’s it going to be? Shoutouts OK or not OK? Actually we all know your answer. Shoutouts are OK when the shouter is a socialist and the shoutee is a conservative, but not vice-versa. That about sum up your hypocrisy for the day?
2. Let’s move from hypocrisy to stupidity. You should understand this being a math whiz and all, but logic is not a socialist strongpoint so maybe not. You say there is a 2:1 ratio of horror stories in the US vs. UK. As usual you don’t provide a link so we could see whether anyone but lgm’s ass is coming up with the same number, but let’s presume you’re correct. Well, the population of the US is 5X the UK, so by your figures there are A LOT FEWER horror stories per thousand of population in the US than in the UK. Proportionality, lgm. Maybe you’ve heard of it. Also, what is this systematic data you’re referring to? Again, no link, so we are left to presume it a product of what’s in the pipe you’re smoking. As to anecdotal data, it’s being reported there are a bunch of women giving birth in UK restrooms and closets (oops, for the babies’ sake, we better hope Obama isn’t lurking around one of those closets) because there aren’t sufficient beds. It’s either true or not, but if it’s not, then let someone provide evidence that it’s not.
3. What difference does it make whether or not Michele Bachmann has been to the UK or seen a UK doctor? Have you? There are just some things I believe because I’ve been exposed to information that leads me to that conlusion. For example, having read 1,216 of your comments on this blog, I can conclude that you’ll never write an intelligent comment. I don’t have to hang-out with you to know that.
Have another pint of kool-aid. Stupid looks so becoming on you.
Even if it were true, exactly how does that fact differ from whatever it is that Barney Frank, like Chris Matthews, does in terms of being a socialist spokesman (although in his case “spokeswoman” might actually be more accurate), namely that he speaks exclusively to the committed converted? But Frank and Matthews wouldn’t be considered “flawed” in your world. Help me out with the correct term.
So it appears your boat floats too.
What a bizarre thought process you people have.
I don’t need you to tell me when I am welcome to oppose anything.
As to arrogance, kettle meet pot.
Heckling? So you want heckling of representatives allowed, but concerned citizens asking questions are “hateful, telling lies, spreading rumors, hate mongers, etc.”?
Is there something wrong with a citizen asking a question of a representative?
Oh really. Do you have the same attitude towards Gorebal warming?
How many confirmed anecdotes do Gorebal Warming religionists use?
Have you ever been to the VA? Have you ever seen a VA doctor?
Pony up Little Goofy Moron.
Just a question. Just what is the right amount a country should spend on it’s health care if it wants and can afford the best? Personally, I think that health care is a good way to spend our money. Who decided it has to be cheaper? Cheaper sure isn’t always better and most times cheaper is worse. If health care is such a big part of the economy shouldn’t we be careful about reducing it since it supplies so many jobs (and might I say they are good paying jobs) that provide a very valuable function.
Don’t get me started on the VA. I have stories. I worked there and in private hospitals. There is a world of difference, just as I suppose there is a world of difference between care in the US and care in Great Britain. Why does the left always want to lower standards to make things equal rather than raise them for all. Everyone benefits from good doctors and well staffed hospitals, but they are not cheap. The illegal immigrants get better care in our emergency rooms than they could get anywhere in their home countries. That’s one reason they are here.
Oh but LGM says unless one has experienced care in British hospitals, one cannot speak to the horror found there or reported in their newspapers.
I’ve been asking him for several days now questions about the VA, and he stops posting whenever I do so…or refuses to address the points made.
How can he speak for anything Obamunist is offering if he also hasn’t experienced British or VA health care?
Thanks JS for the link to the Fraser-area of Canada w/r/t their socialized medicine..
I saved it to my computer.
“I’ll be danged if I am going to give up my Social Security because of socialism,” councilman LeRoy Schaffer, addressing Michele Bachmann at a town hall.
Heh.
It’s not the same thing, even though you seem to be suggesting it. Not everyone who wants SS is currently eligible or accepted to the program.
SS is selective in its qualifications for participants and careers, and there is an opt out facet to it. Socialism is mandated and there are no choices.
UR welcome luv….
Not only that, but chapoutier conveniently leaves out the fact that the government TAKES YOUR MONEY, purportedly to plan for your retirement.
Unless you work under the table you’ll always have that $$ TAKEN from you.
Ditto the Medicare taxes TAKEN from your paycheck.
When you reach a certain age under both systems, you can start GETTING BACK the $$ TAKEN from you and PUT INTO the SS system, and you become eligible for Medicare that you’ve been PAYING FOR your whole working life.
So it’s not a matter of people not wanting socialism if it’s Obamacare, but wanting to keep it for SS and medicare.
Chapoutier also ignores the fact that BOTH SS and Medicare have unfunded liabilities of as much as 50 TRILLION dollars. So both programs have been utterly mismanaged by the same government that claims it will cut costs and run a deficit-neutral Obamacare program.
IOW chap is peeing down our legs and telling us it’s “really” raining.
Right now it’s pouring; perhaps God is washing his creation clean of all the muck.
HE is cooling down the ground in Arlington National Cemetery to keep the fire and brimstone awaiting ol’ Ted from getting anyone else before their time.
ECS
“SS is selective in its qualifications for participants and careers, and there is an opt out facet to it.”
Sorry but how do I opt out of social security?
Do you have any idea what you are talking about fulldroolcup? In your rush to try to contradict me, you contradicted yourself in that post more times than I can count.
Uhhh…I didn’t leave out a thing there, Cochise. I merely provided a quote.
Ya don’t say? I never knew that!
See comment above. What point exactly are you trying to make? Or better question is: what point did your clouded little mind think I was trying to make?
So as long as you get back something from a program, it’s okay in your book? If under “Obamacare”, you were allowed to see a doctor, not of your choosing, twice a year that would be okay? I mean after all, you are putting something in and getting something out, right?
Please tell me what, if anything this has to do with the quote I cited.
Again, hotshot, I did not ignore anything. I merely provided a quote by someone who obviously does not have a very good grasp on either the definition of socialism or social security.
Try to back your chubby, cheetoo-covered fingers away from the keyboard and take a couple deep breaths before you type. We will all be the better for it.
Be careful my friends. Chap is laying a trap. He is trying to make the logically false conclusion that, since you are for Social Security and Medicare, which are socialist programs, you cannot reject Obamacare on the merits that it is a socialist program. That would make you a hypocrite.
This form of debate is specious. It creates a false equality with an item unrelated to the subject being discussed. It is best avoided by stating. “We are not discussing (insert program name here), and it is not germane to the conversation.”
But, if you must argue it, here are some details that may help your case:
1) I will agree with you that Social Security is an enacted socialist program. Since you bought it up, it was envisioned that we would be able to fund Social Security by a constant influx of funds that would always be more than the expenditures. Yet, a Democratically controlled Congress, under a Democrat president, voted to raid any surplus this fund may have had to pay for other “projects”. How will we prevent future elected officials from raiding health care funds, and thereby burdening us with ever increasing tax bills?
2) I will agree with you that Medicare is an enacted socialist program. Since you bought it up, when Medicare and Medicaid were enacted in to law, there was a CBO report that estimated how much the program would cost over a decade. At the end of the decade, actual costs were nearly 10 times greater that predicted. Today, the US National Debt Clock estimates that the unfunded liabilities for Medicare Medicaid, which covers approximately 30% of the current US population, is $39 Trillion dollars. Using those numbers, and giving factor for very expensive care generally not covered by a general “health insurance” plan, that places the actual cost for Socialized medicine in the US at an unfunded liability of $150 Trillion. This is well over the current estimates of $2.4 Trillion per year, or the estimate of @$10 Trillion in ten years. It also clearly flies in the assertion by Congressional Democrats that the program will pay for itself. While I understand that we expect the shift of current insurance funds to cover this, how do we realistically expect that either taxes will not raise, unemployment will not rise when employees cost employers too much, or that there will not be rationed care as we see in Canada, Cuba, The UK, and other nations (or some greater combination of the three)?
3) An independent study by the Kaiser Foundation found that, in 2004, Medicare and Medicaid expenditures per patient were, by average, $1700 more than that by insurance companies. How is it that we will expect that a government run entity will be cheaper than a privately run one?
4) If my insurance company makes a mistake, and refuses me for coverage or treatment, I can sue and seek remedy in court. If my provider makes a mistake in care or course of treatment, I can sue to the point of ad nauseum, which is why we ask for tort reform. (Remember, John Edwards made his millions by basically running Obstetricians out of practice in the South) If my government makes a mistake, such as the VA did giving patients Hepatitis, I am generally forced to accept the response they give, as suing is not an option. What will be my remedy if the appointed 29 persons on the Commission (who may or may not be providers, as they are Political appointees; and may or may not be of the specialty that can best speak to the treatment and it’s usefulness) determines that people of my age, gender, and race/ethnicity shall receive a pain pill in lieu of a joint replacement? (Yes, race/ethnicity does play a strong role in determining efficacy of treatment. Can you imagine the uproar when middle-aged males of African descent are denied angioplasty, as they have very high rates of post-treatment death due to continued issues with coronary artery disease?)
5) Today, if my insurance company does not cover my treatment, I can seek the treatment by other means, and with the doctors I choose. A recently deceased member of the Senate sought this option, which quite prolonged his life. The current Obamacare plan has wording that would prevent a hospital and/or a practitioner from considering such an option, under penalty of law. In fact, current Medicare law prohibits a provider from providing reduced rate and pro-bono work within the same location, or under the same business name, as where the Federally funded treatments occur. What remedy would an individual have if, while the patient and provider agree that the treatment option is the best course for the disease, the socialized care system rejects the treatment?
Depends on one’s choice of career and the strength of the associated union.
For example, teachers (my career) are exempt from SS taxes because the state and national unions have negotiated some fairly lucrative retirement plans for their dues paying members; of course we pay retirement taxes relatively equal to those levied by SS, depending on state regulations, and have little say about how our dues are used to support political parties, messages and campaigns.
There are other professions with similar retirement structures and plans that also are exempt from SS taxes.