Rep. Michele Bachmann to heckler: “I’ve given birth here probably more times than you, sir”

By Michelle Malkin  •  August 28, 2009 12:51 PM

Some pro-socialized medicine hecklers tried to shout down GOP Rep. Michele Bachmann as she pointed to the crappy care pregnant moms are getting in the U.K.

Watch her snappy retort. Video via Eyeblast (hat tip: Stephen Gutowski):

Rep. Bachmann is not only a mom of five and foster mom of 23, she is also a firecracker spokeswoman for the conservative movement.

Give ‘em hell!

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Got to meet her on the Hill last month. Here’s a pic.

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  1. #1
    On August 28th, 2009 at 12:55 pm, zorro said:

    A most excellent slap down!

  2. #2
    On August 28th, 2009 at 12:57 pm, madmonkphotog said:

    No man could ever top that, evah!

  3. #3
    On August 28th, 2009 at 12:57 pm, Mister P said:

    I find Bachmann as refreshing as Palin. She is part of the new breed of middle america politician that will eventually restore the American values we cherish.

  4. #4
    On August 28th, 2009 at 12:59 pm, GladzKravtz said:

    I imagine Tina Fey is practicing in front of the mirror right now….

  5. #5
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:01 pm, happyscrapper said:

    For the first time in my adult life, I am proud to be a Minnesotan!!

  6. #6
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:02 pm, carole said:

    The RNC tried to ditch her when she had her dustup with Chris Mathews over the term patriotic Americans.

    The RNC that is going to give us Crist……RINO

    Get your money back from the RNC.

  7. #7
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:03 pm, GladzKravtz said:

    Today is lookin up already, isn’t Happy? :)

  8. #8
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:03 pm, d1carter said:

    Do not mess with Michele or Michelle…

  9. #9
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:08 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:03 pm, GladzKravtz said:
    Today is lookin up already, isn’t Happy?

    Oh yes indeed!! We have quite a few great patriots out there speaking up. Very encouraging. I do believe we will get back our country. However, there is a long hard road ahead. My day is looking up in other ways too, including the peace I have gotten from praying.

  10. #10
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:08 pm, JT said:

    Conservative women are so sexy. 8)

  11. #11
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:10 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    The RNC tried to ditch her when she had her dustup with Chris Mathews over the term patriotic Americans.

    That is why it’s best to send financial support directly to the candidates of your choice, and not through the RNC. It can’t be trusted to support true conservatives. It usually doesn’t.

  12. #12
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:11 pm, TooMuchTime said:

    Conservative women are so sexy.

    Found this on the web.

  13. #13
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:12 pm, lgm said:

    Is there something wrong with a citizen heckling a representative?

    For every horror story about health care in the UK, there are two about care in the US. Stacks of unconfirmed anecdotes are not the same as real systematic data.

    Bachmann says she would rather receive care in the US than in the UK. Has she ever been in the UK? Has she ever seen a British doctor?

  14. #14
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:17 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:12 pm, lgm said:

    Is there something wrong with a citizen heckling a representative?

    Maybe you should ask all your commie Dem friends who are hiding from townhalls due to be being shouted and “heckled” by concerned citizens not wanting commieObamacare.

    Bachmann says she would rather receive care in the US than in the UK. Has she ever been in the UK? Has she ever seen a British doctor?

    So now we need to move to the UK and sign up for commiecare and experience the horrors of it first hand before we’re allowed to disown it? Lol…

  15. #15
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:17 pm, hunter said:

    For every horror story about health care in the UK, there are two about care in the US. Stacks of unconfirmed anecdotes are not the same as real systematic data.

    Start compiling the data to back it up and show it then, because you are right, “Stacks of unconfirmed anecdotes are not the same as real systematic data.”

  16. #16
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:17 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    Is there something wrong with a citizen heckling a representative?

    No one here says its wrong. It’s a fine American political tradition – unless one attempts it on a Dem or ZERO, then its thuggish intimidation,harrassment,racism, evidently.

    Its also just fine for the rep to provide a deserved verbal slapback.

  17. #17
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:18 pm, bentman78 said:

    I like her…I really do.

  18. #18
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:19 pm, Defector01 said:

    pwn3d!

    Sucks when you can’t argue facts

  19. #19
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:19 pm, moonshot said:

    I think she could very well be the republicans Great White Hope.

    PS: I had no idea she is pro-choice until recently.

  20. #20
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:22 pm, walterc said:

    lgm said:

    Is there something wrong with a citizen heckling a representative?

    No. Free speech is free speech. The story here is her response not the heckle.

    I know, don’t feed the troll.

  21. #21
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:22 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    So now we need to move to the UK and sign up for commiecare

    Why go as far as the UK. Hasn’t Michael Moore assured us that we could get no finer medical care than in Cuba? Now that travel restrictions have been lifted, that should be a no-brainer for those dissatisfied with US health care as it now exists. : )

  22. #22
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:25 pm, sonofdy said:

    Bachmann says she would rather receive care in the US than in the UK. Has she ever been in the UK? Has she ever seen a British doctor?

    I have lived both this system and New Zealands system which is about the same as the UK’s. I would rather go here as well.

  23. #23
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:27 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:12 pm, lgm said:

    Has she ever seen a British doctor?

    Yes, she has seen this one. I think you would agree with me lgm, that he’s representative,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWMO3rAD98k

  24. #24
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:28 pm, sonofdy said:

    I think she could very well be the republicans Great White Hope.

    PS: I had no idea she is pro-choice until recently.

    I bet you got that talking point from huffpo.

  25. #25
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:28 pm, ajmontana said:

    Dimwit Dem Libtards just shouldn’t be allowed to be in the same room as us, they just take up air and are as dumb as rocks.

  26. #26
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:30 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Momma bear is on a roll!

    alaskangrizzly/hawkeye54: we are tying to ignore trolls, white flys and the summer itch ;)
    Such irritations do get a rise out us but try to ignore them when you can-perhaps they will go away?

  27. #27
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:30 pm, California Red said:

    In this day in age she needed to say “probably”. As I type this a picture of anarchist vandal “dude” from Denver is staring at me. You just don’t know.

  28. #28
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:34 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    alaskangrizzly/hawkeye54: we are tying to ignore trolls, white flys and the summer itch ;)
    Such irritations do get a rise out us but try to ignore them when you can-perhaps they will go away?

    Lgm has been here for years, nothing seems to make him go away sadly. But he sure is fun to laugh at :lol:

  29. #29
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:34 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:08 pm, JT said:

    Conservative women are so sexy. 8)

    But what about Miss Hillary, Janet Reno and Madeline NotSoBrite, Helen Thomas and Barney Frank?

  30. #30
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:36 pm, Flyoverman said:

    OT but a great one to share with your leftists friends.

    Happy Friday lgm.

    I just got an e-mail from a friend. He posted this painting

    http://www.andythomas.com/04linkpage.aspx

    and added the following inscription:

    “So I said to him, “Barack, I know Abe Lincoln, and you ain’t him.!”

  31. #31
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:36 pm, moonshot said:

    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:28 pm, sonofdy said:
    I bet you got that talking point from huffpo.

    Actually, I got it straight from the mouth of Rep. Lynn Jenkins (R-KS).

    And Bachmann must be pro-life since she stated this: That’s why people need to continue to go to the town halls, continue to melt the phone lines of their liberal members of Congress and let them know, under no certain circumstances will I give the government control over my body and my health care decisions.

  32. #32
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:36 pm, TooMuchTime said:

    Is there something wrong with a citizen heckling a representative?

    It’s only a problem if the citizen is intelligent and the representative is liberal.

    For every horror story about health care in the UK, there are two about care in the US. Stacks of unconfirmed anecdotes are not the same as real systematic data.

    You mean like this “unconfirmed” anecdote? Oh, wait! Those are reports from doctors in the UK. Sorry, they’re confirmed facts.

    Bachmann says she would rather receive care in the US than in the UK. Has she ever been in the UK?

    Irrelevant. I’ve never been to Russia or was ever in the Soviet Union, but I would rather have a plumber or a carpenter operate on me than a socialist doctor.

    Has she ever seen a British doctor?

    Again, irrelevant. She lives here and doesn’t want the failure of a socialist health care system in this country. She wants freedom instead.

    lgm, if you want to socialist health care, please, move to a socialist country. How about North Korea?

  33. #33
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:36 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Stacks of unconfirmed anecdotes are not the same as real systematic data.

    How about malignant neoplasms death rate – (2002 is what I find) – since presumably this can be changed by the quality of medical care available in each country?

    Hungary 314
    San Marino 294
    Denmark 294
    Croatia 278
    Czech Republic 277
    Belgium 275
    Italy 268
    Germany 264
    UK 256
    Latvia 253
    Greece 252
    Slovenia
    a whole bunch more including Japan (242)and France (238)
    then more down to Canada (30th with 208)
    and still more down to the US (39th) with 192
    I would argue that Canadians go to the US improving their survival.

    So between the UK at 256 cancer deaths per 100000 per year and the US at 192, I’d bet you’d pick Johns Hopkins over any UK hospital for cancer treatment.

  34. #34
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:37 pm, Auggie Dog said:

    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:12 pm, lgm said:
    Is there something wrong with a citizen heckling a representative?

    For every horror story about health care in the UK, there are two about care in the US

    And that OPINION is based on what?

    Also:
    USA population 305 million
    UK Population 58.7 million

    Thats a ratio of 6 to 1. So 2 to 1 in complaints doesn’t seem so bad. If it was a real stat.

    I don’t agree, So I’ll make up some facts. The liberal motto.

  35. #35
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:37 pm, spaceycakes said:

    Stacks of unconfirmed anecdotes are not the same as real systematic data.

    from your mouth to, um, your ears.

  36. #36
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:39 pm, Freddy said:

    Lets take a tiny look at births in the US vs UK.

    In the UK, they admit to having ‘issues’ covering births. They have both anecdotal reports of thousands giving birth in places outside of the hospitals normal places, as well as a push by their NHS promoting the use of mid-wives.

    In the US, we have thousands of women crossing the border to have their babies in US hospitals. I have NEVER seen ANY story of someone NOT getting proper care.

    So, as far as ‘birth care’ goes, the US is able to not only handle their own population, but thousands of people coming here specifically to give birth in a hospital!

  37. #37
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:40 pm, flmom said:

    Bachmann says she would rather receive care in the US than in the UK. Has she ever been in the UK? Has she ever seen a British doctor?

    Probably not, lgm, but I sure have. I gave birth to my first child in the UK and the other three were born here in the US. There is no comparison. US is the best.

  38. #38
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:40 pm, California Red said:

    Stacks of unconfirmed anecdotes are not the same as real systematic data.

    … Has she ever been in the UK? Has she ever seen a British doctor?

    Wouldn’t that just be more anecdotal evidence for you to ignore?

  39. #39
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:45 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    British Health Care? The dentists work for the National Health Service. Photographers in the UK NEVER say “Big Smile:

  40. #40
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:45 pm, granite said:

    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:25 pm, sonofdy said:

    Bachmann says she would rather receive care in the US than in the UK. Has she ever been in the UK? Has she ever seen a British doctor?

    I have lived both this system and New Zealands system which is about the same as the UK’s. I would rather go here as well.

    What we must always remember, but what seems hardly ever to be put front-and-center, is that the burden of proof is on the dangerous, socialist, America-hating loons who want to changedestroy things.

    They must prove that what they want to do to us and to our nation is better than the current situation.

    We are not obligated to justify the status quo; we are not obligated to prove that it is better.

    I think of it as sort of similar to boxing: the champ doesn’t have to justify why he’s champ; the challenger has to beat the champ…not tie him, but beat him.

  41. #41
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:46 pm, moonshot said:
  42. #42
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:47 pm, right_on said:

    I saw this….Mrs. Bachmann…take no prisoners!

    She is another bright light for America’s future! The cream really does rise to the top…we’ll be able to gauge her effectiveness based on how much more the left attacks her, personally. We know they can’t attack her message.

  43. #43
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:49 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Got to meet her on the Hill last month. Here’s a pic.

    Doesn’t that leave out one other conservative woman to make the photo complete?

  44. #44
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:50 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    It seems like the only conservatives with any balls these days are women.

  45. #45
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:52 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I gave birth to my first child in the UK and the other three were born here in the US. There is no comparison. US is the best.

    Unconfirmed anecdote – heh :)

  46. #46
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:55 pm, John Deaux said:

    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:12 pm, lgm said:

    Bachmann says she would rather receive care in the US than in the UK. Has she ever been in the UK? Has she ever seen a British doctor?

    I have and I’d rather receive care here than in the U.K.

    Next question.

  47. #47
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:55 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    Michele Bachmann, like Michelle Malkin, has a little flaw in terms of being a conservative spokeswoman, namely that she speaks exclusively to the committed converted. But whatever floats your boat.

  48. #48
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:57 pm, flmom said:

    AlohaGuy said:

    Could be, I might have been having an out-of-body experience.

  49. #49
    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:57 pm, spaceycakes said:

    Are you paying taxes on that boat, RSS?

    Has said boat been fitted to meet ‘green’ standards?

  50. #50
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:02 pm, AmericaFirst said:

    2012
    President Sarah Palin
    Vice President Michele Bachmann

    Michele Bachmann receives just as much disgusting hate mail as Palin and Malkin. Why? Because they are true blood CONSERVATIVES. Bachmann is from my home state of Minnesota. The local media continuously mock her about every little trivial thing you can imagine and Never on substance… like giving President Bush a hug after one of his State of the Union Addresses. The liberal media thought that was news and innapropriate! I tell you, Michele Bachmann is one of the most amazing women. PLEASE put her on your donation list for the next election cycle. God knows the GOP would rather have a moderate in her place.

  51. #51
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:03 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    Can anybody make out what the heckler said?

  52. #52
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:03 pm, John Deaux said:

    Apparently, the left doesn’t read the congresswoman’s own web page.

    Additionally, I firmly believe the right to life extends to all people – including the born and unborn.

  53. #53
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:04 pm, sonofdy said:

    Red State Bigot said: I fear conservative women.

    moonshot: A WHO report also states that you are 4 times as likely to die of cancer, once disagonised, in europe than in the USA.

  54. #54
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:08 pm, GladzKravtz said:

    Lgm can defend the cause as much as he wants using these little tid-bits.
    But he will one day stand in the same health care ration line with the rest of us.
    Of all the causes, health care….

  55. #55
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:10 pm, sonofdy said:

    Correction, you are only roughly twice as likely to die from cancer in europe than the usa. My bad.

  56. #56
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:12 pm, dan708 said:

    One fortunate side effect of Obama’s socialist agenda is that some Repubs are finally remembering what got them into the majority in ’94. Give ‘em hell, Michele!

  57. #57
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:12 pm, twiggman said:

    ALOHAGUY…Is that Tammy or Julie Bandars?

  58. #58
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:12 pm, right_on said:

    Michele Bachmann, like Michelle Malkin, has a little flaw in terms of being a conservative spokeswoman, namely that she speaks exclusively to the committed converted.

    Have you ever wondered why the Democrat Party mascot is portrayed by a donkey?

    Thomas Nast, a famous political cartoonist, came to the United States with his parents in 1840 when he was six. He first used the donkey in an 1870 Harper’s Weekly cartoon to represent the “Copperhead Press” kicking a dead lion, symbolizing Lincoln’s Secretary of War Edwin M. Stanton, who had recently died. Nast intended the donkey to represent an anti-war faction with whom he disagreed, but the symbol caught the public’s fancy and the cartoonist continued using it to indicate some Democratic editors and newspapers.

    Main Entry: ass
    Part of Speech: noun
    Definition: stupid person
    Synonyms: blockhead, dolt, donkey, dope, dunce, fool, idiot, imbecile, jackass, jerk*, nitwit, numbskull, simpleton*, twit

    Although the Democrat Party continues to embrace the mascot, it has never officially recognized it as such. After all these years, the original reason for using the donkey to represent the liberal party hasn’t changed…still anti-war, still dominates the press, and still filled to the brim with fools!

  59. #59
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:14 pm, John Deaux said:

    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:10 pm, sonofdy said:
    Correction, you are only roughly twice as likely to die from cancer in europe than the usa. My bad.

    To the liberal mind, that’s properly quoted as “statistically even.”

  60. #60
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:15 pm, moonshot said:

    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:03 pm, John Deaux said:

    Apparently, the left doesn’t read the congresswoman’s own web page.

    ah, so she is pro-life but supports Roe v. Wade….

    Bachmann quote: That’s why people need to continue to go to the town halls, continue to melt the phone lines of their liberal members of Congress and let them know, under no certain circumstances will I give the government control over my body and my health care decisions.

  61. #61
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:18 pm, sonofdy said:

    Bachmann quote: That’s why people need to continue to go to the town halls, continue to melt the phone lines of their liberal members of Congress and let them know, under no certain circumstances will I give the government control over my body and my health care decisions.

    Is this supposed to be some sort of “gotcha”???

    EPIC FAILURE

  62. #62
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:23 pm, moonshot said:

    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:18 pm, sonofdy said:Is this supposed to be some sort of “gotcha”???

    EPIC FAILURE

    That’s not a gotcha at all. She either means what she says or she’s a hypocrite.
    I suspect the latter but I could be wrong and she supports Roe v. Wade.

  63. #63
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:26 pm, RogerCfromSD said:

    Moonshot, your investment in YOUR interpretation of Congresswoman Bachmann’s views still doesn’t make it the truth.

  64. #64
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:26 pm, sonofdy said:

    No moonshot, you are just an idiot. It is not hypocritical to oppose government control of your healthcare and abortion. They are 2 seperate issues. Stop smoking crack and it will become clear to you.

  65. #65
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:27 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:55 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    Michele Bachmann, like Michelle Malkin, has a little flaw in terms of being a conservative spokeswoman, namely that she speaks exclusively to the committed converted. But whatever floats your boat.

    That’s not especially true. The RNC was ready to ditch her after her little dust-up with Chris Matthews. I’m farther right on the political wedge than almost everybody here, including our gracious hostess, but I think I might be able to vote for Bachmann someday.

    However, for me it remains to be seen if Bachmann is a small government constitutional conservative or just another trash-talking Republican. For example, she’s all for taking away 10th Amendment state’s rights as far as regulating insurance goes, which, although a popular talking point, is essentially just another form of federalizing yet another financial system.

    Nobody that I’ve seen promote that concept actually addresses how that would turn out any better than the removal of similar constraints on the banking industry. There, we were told competition would increase and fees would go down. But thanks to the huge government imposed entry barriers and lending mandates, all we got was consolidation, resulting in less choice, higher fees, and a top-down collapse.

    But I haven’t given up on Bachmann yet. People I trust have worked with her, and they tell me that she’s known to be a person who actually listens to other viewpoints, and even grows intellectually as a result.

    So, I’m among the unconverted, but will vouch that she indeed speaks to us.

    If you, however, meant that she doesn’t speak to the left…well, that’s a feature, not a bug.

  66. #66
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:27 pm, John Deaux said:

    Biiiiiiig stretch. Context?

    Nope, she’s a hypocrite.

    /moonshot

  67. #67
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:29 pm, Jaded said:

    She is just FANTASTIC, I am jealous of her constitutents, I want her to be my Congressperson!!! Love her.

  68. #68
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:29 pm, lgm said:

    Another point: the health care reform bills do not call for a system like Britain (health care provided almost exclusively by government employees). It’s more like the French system (private employees, government pays), except that US health care will also not move us to single payer. French care is supposed to be better than British, though I don’t know details. If you’re interested (surprise me), you can google for statistics.

    Be clear: what’s being proposed is a competition between insurance companies — one of which is “public”. Actual providers will be almost all in the private sector.

    Be clear also: our existing French style system (single payer, private provider) is so popular that Republican politicians are falling over themselves promising to protect it — that’s Medicare. Of course, they were against it before they were for it.

  69. #69
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:31 pm, FruNobulux said:

    On August 28th, 2009 at 1:25 pm, sonofdy said:

    I have lived both this system and New Zealands system which is about the same as the UK’s. I would rather go here as well.

    Canada & Australia for me. In both countries, those who can afford it come here to the US for life & death stuff, Thailand & India for blepharoplasty, face-lifts, and other cosmetic surgery.

    Australia has a hybrid private/public system: it isn’t illegal to have private insurance like it is in Canada. The “private” hospitals have adequate nursing, the best doctors, newest equipment, etc. Their public counterparts are hotbeds of infection, are under-staffed, and have ancient equipment and deteriorating buildings.

    I had a cycling accident in Australia and went to an emergency room in a major metropolitan public hospital (private hospitals don’t tend to have ER). Despite the fact that they couldn’t be bothered to even clean my wounds, they practically begged me to stay overnight for “observation” because they would get more money from the private insurance than they would giving that room to a “public” patient.

    Interestingly, Australia also has a thriving private school sector. My daughter went to private school, while my wife worked as a nurse in a public school. Private school classrooms were quiet and orderly, with the students addressing the teachers as “Sir/Ma’am” (as appropriate), and actually trying to learn. Why? The bad apples were shown the door quickly and without ado. There was no right of appeal; the Headmaster’s decision was final. The ejected student was then free to attend whatever school would have them. Granted, there were anecdotes about the kids of big donors getting away with “murder”, but the general case is that private schools were so superior that public school teachers would send their kids to private school, if they could.

    By contrast, the public school classrooms were bedlam, with kids talking amongst themselves and on cell phones and listening to their ipods while the teacher was trying to teach.

    I know I’ve made a short story long, but the point is that competition improved the private schools and hospitals, but not the public.

  70. #70
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:34 pm, rightwingrocker said:

    I’ll have to check into this woman’s record. If she’s really conservative overall, I’ll say run her in 2012.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  71. #71
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:34 pm, cheapseat said:

    rss says conservatives speak only for the choir. and nancy speaks for the conservative blue dog democrats? you moderate your communists and we’ll moderate our fascists, but we nominated 5 moderate presidential candidates in a row, how many moderate dems have you nominated (clinton)

  72. #72
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:35 pm, moonshot said:

    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:27 pm, John Deaux said:

    Biiiiiiig stretch. Context?

    Explain the difference then. She clearly stated that the government has no right over her body. *shrug*

  73. #73
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:36 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    lgm, I prefer Singapore’s system. Would you go for that? By all metrics, it’s even better than France.

  74. #74
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:39 pm, sonofdy said:

    LGM:
    You are wrong on several fronts.
    1/ We already have competing healthcare plans.
    2/ The bill also forces insurance companies to provide services that will bankrupt the smaller ones and almost bankrupt the bigger ones thereby reducing the number of plans available. That reduces competion. The standards will mean all health insurance palns will be almost identical, also reducing competion.
    3/ Medicare is only popular because its basicaly the only game in town. It is bad enough that if it were a private insurance it would have almost no customers. It is also bankrupt.

  75. #75
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:39 pm, John Deaux said:

    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:35 pm, moonshot said:

    Explain the difference then.

    Okay, one doesn’t involve the certain death of a living thing, the other does.

  76. #76
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:43 pm, sonofdy said:

    Moonshot probably doesn’t think that an entity that breathes, moves, reacts to stimulus, and pumps its own blood is alive.

  77. #77
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:44 pm, rightwingrocker said:

    except that US health care will also not move us to single payer.

    I’m calling BS on this one. There’s no point in the libs pushing for this unless the goal is “single-payer”. Obama is for single-payer, and so is Pelosi, et. al. The whole idea of the “public option” is to put private insurers out of business. The government runs the public company, and writes regulations that make it impossible for private insurers to compete – forcing all but the public company out of business. If you don’t see this, you are a blind fool.

    There’s nothing stopping the government from doing this, and those who have read the various proposals have seen the deception in Obama’s words, “If you have insurance and like it, you can keep it.”

    All of the proposals allow you to keep your current insurance, but if and when you decide to change, the “public option” is your only option. You can’t make changes to your current policy and you can’t switch to a different private insurer. Eventually, everyone winds up on the public option, at least under the plans that are on the table.

    More importantly, there is no authorization in the Constitution for the government to be doing ANY of this, and the right procedure would be for the government to divest itself of the intrusion it is already committing in direct violation of its Constitutional limits.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  78. #78
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:45 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    lgm said: Be clear: what’s being proposed is a competition between insurance companies — one of which is “public”. Actual providers will be almost all in the private sector.

    There are already more than 1,000 health insurance providers. We aren’t short on competition.

    The public option isn’t “competition” – it’s socialized medicine.

    If competition is suddenly so important to the left, then can we discuss eventually privatizing some portion of Social Security?

    After all, if the private sector handled my retirement money like the government did, people would be in jail for running a Ponzi scheme.

  79. #79
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:45 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    However, for me it remains to be seen if Bachmann is a small government constitutional conservative or just another trash-talking Republican. For example, she’s all for taking away 10th Amendment state’s rights as far as regulating insurance goes, which, although a popular talking point, is essentially just another form of federalizing yet another financial system.

    I’d like to hear more about this. Not an issue I’ve heard about before — whether the feds should be involved in insurance at all, that is. Of course securities are heavily regulated by DC, making that a very federalized financial system, but I can’t see how our financial system would even function without the disclosure and fraud protections of the 1933 and 34 securities/exchange acts. (In-state sales aren’t covered, since they’re protected by the 10th amendment.)

  80. #80
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:46 pm, moonshot said:

    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:39 pm, John Deaux said:
    Okay, one doesn’t involve the certain death of a living thing, the other does.

    Oh, okay. She means the government doesn’t have a right to anyone’s body except women…when they become pregnant.

  81. #81
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:51 pm, sonofdy said:

    Oh, okay. She means the government doesn’t have a right to anyone’s body except women…when they become pregnant.

    See I was right.

    Listen dumbass, they are 2 seperate topics.

    Liberals. Dumbest political movement ever.

  82. #82
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:52 pm, John Deaux said:

    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:46 pm, moonshot said:

    Oh, okay. She means the government doesn’t have a right to anyone’s body except women…when they become pregnant.

    When you’re driving a car, you’re responsible for the occupants’ safety. Same thing.

  83. #83
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:53 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    rss says conservatives speak only for the choir. and nancy speaks for the conservative blue dog democrats? you moderate your communists and we’ll moderate our fascists, but we nominated 5 moderate presidential candidates in a row, how many moderate dems have you nominated (clinton)

    I’m really not talking about who in your party or my party is radical or moderate. I’m just saying that some are better than others at changing people’s minds.

  84. #84
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:58 pm, lgm said:

    Some of you think you know everything about everything. You know the hearts of liberals. You (like President Bush) can look into the souls of men, particularly liberals. Like Jeremiah you can see the imminent destruction of America. Wake up, you can’t.

    Present health care bills do not call for a single payer system. You are welcome to oppose single payer when it is proposed (e.g. Hillarycare). Saying “I oppose this because I know some people really want single payer.”, well, … pretty arrogant.

    As for competition.

  85. #85
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:58 pm, Rob Roy said:

    I HEART Michele.

    She is the real deal.

    Is there a pair of men in the Republican party as appealing (philosophically) as Michele and Sarah?

  86. #86
    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:59 pm, moonshot said:

    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:51 pm, sonofdy said:
    See I was right.

    Listen dumbass, they are 2 seperate topics.

    Liberals. Dumbest political movement ever.

    I never call people names. It’s a sign of weakness and lack of character.

  87. #87
    On August 28th, 2009 at 3:02 pm, John Deaux said:

    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:59 pm, moonshot said:

    I never call people names. It’s a sign of weakness and lack of character.

    I can vouch for sonofdy’s strength and character and strength of character.

    You would do well to choose another course of action.

  88. #88
    On August 28th, 2009 at 3:03 pm, sonofdy said:

    LGM: Did you really link to a radical anti-competition website like that?

    They are pushing to destroy private insurance.

    moonshot, Do like it? then stop acting like a dumbass.

  89. #89
    On August 28th, 2009 at 3:07 pm, sonofdy said:

    moonshot: You are consistantly linking 2 things that are not actualy linked. I have pointed this out 3 times. You ignored this. This makes you a dumbass.

    If you want to debate abortion, fine. But this debate is about healthcare not abortion which will exist reguardless of the outcome here.

    John Deaux : thanks.

  90. #90
    On August 28th, 2009 at 3:10 pm, hunter said:

    I never call people names. It’s a sign of weakness and lack of character.

    This makes you a dumbass.

    Perfect!

  91. #91
    On August 28th, 2009 at 3:11 pm, spaceycakes said:

    Can you all be clear?!

    I mean, ’cause lgm said so.

  92. #92
    On August 28th, 2009 at 3:11 pm, moonshot said:

    On August 28th, 2009 at 3:02 pm, John Deaux said:
    I can vouch for sonofdy’s strength and character and strength of character.

    You would do well to choose another course of action.

    I would say that is very debatable since I have read many vile comments here and else where. I do know many on the left can be just as vile but I guess both extremist sides are pretty much equal.

    I have been commenting here for quite some time and not once have I ever personally insulted someone or called them the typical Daily Kos/Hotair standard names.

  93. #93
    On August 28th, 2009 at 3:13 pm, spaceycakes said:

    I never call people names

    but you just did: you called him ‘weak’ and ‘characterless’.

  94. #94
    On August 28th, 2009 at 3:14 pm, sonofdy said:

    Moonshot: Are you ready to admit that abortion and healthcare are 2 seperate issues?

  95. #95
    On August 28th, 2009 at 3:17 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    On August 28th, 2009 at 2:58 pm, lgm said:

    Some of you think you know everything about everything. You know the hearts of liberals. You (like President Bush) can look into the souls of men, particularly liberals. Like Jeremiah you can see the imminent destruction of America. Wake up, you can’t.

    Actually, history is pretty much exclusively on our side.

  96. #96
    On August 28th, 2009 at 3:19 pm, moonshot said:

    On August 28th, 2009 at 3:13 pm, spaceycakes said:

    I never call people names

    but you just did: you called him ‘weak’ and ‘characterless’.

    yeah, because calling someone out for calling people curse word names and pointing out its a sign of weakness is SO totally the same thing.

  97. #97
    On August 28th, 2009 at 3:20 pm, chotii said:

    I am entirely unclear how it automatically means ‘abortion’ if you say ‘my body, my choice’. Yes, yes, the “pro-choice” people have used that line for so long that it is instantly associated with abortion. But why does it not also apply to other medical choices?

    “My body, my choice” ought to apply to all of us, except when a clear, present, urgent, inarguable threat to the populace exists (such as a case of ‘Typhoid Mary’).

    I’d like to see those four little words taken away from the “pro choice” folks and made to apply to everyone, male and female, from birth through death.

  98. #98
    On August 28th, 2009 at 3:22 pm, sonofdy said:

    I have never claimed to be a diplomat moonshot. I never will be. I call them as I see them. Now for the shocker. I do not support publicly funded abortions nor do I support abortions under the age of 18 without a court order. (With the exception of life saving abortions in those cases).

    BUT I do not believe the procedure should be illegal. Women should be able to get the procedure but I sure as hell don’t want to pay for it.

    So stop trying to create a hypocracy where none exists.

  99. #99
    On August 28th, 2009 at 3:22 pm, spaceycakes said:

    What’s with the ‘Jeremiah’ kick?

    Here, I have a few verses for you…
    Jeremiah 10:14-15

    for those who don’t want to look it up:

    Every man is brutish in his knowledge: every founder is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them.
    They are vanity, and the work of errors: in the time of their visitation they shall perish.

  100. #100
    On August 28th, 2009 at 3:23 pm, moonshot said:

    On August 28th, 2009 at 3:14 pm, sonofdy said:
    Moonshot: Are you ready to admit that abortion and healthcare are 2 seperate issues?

    Nope. I know what she meant by it…but its the same silliness as saying you don’t want government-run health care but keep your hands off my Medicare.

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