Wackjob science czar to appear on David Letterman
According David Letterman’s website, wackjob science czar Dr. John Holdren is scheduled to appear Wednesday night, September 2.
Holdren has been a guest on Letterman before. He visited in April 2008 to ply global warming scare propaganda.
Not a peep from Letterman about Holdren’s spectacularly wrong predictions and irresponsible alarmism.
And we certainly won’t expect a peep from Letterman about Holdren’s extremist musings on forced abortions, mass sterilizations, and undesirables.
Wouldn’t want to be accused of “defamation” by the left-wing blogs, eh, Dave?
Holdren’s office has gotten away with stonewalling questions about the science czar’s promotion of his colleague and mentor, eugenicist Harrison Brown.
These are the questions I asked last month — and which many readers also asked of Holdren’s office to no avail:
1) Does Dr. Holdren disavow the population control extremism of his intellectual mentor and colleague, Harrison Brown or not?
2) Does Dr. Holdren also view the world population as a “pulsating mass of maggots?”
3) Was Dr. Holdren unaware of Harrison Brown’s views when he paid homage to him at the AAAS keynote address in 2007?
Internet investigative blogger Zombie spotlighted copious passages from one of Holdren’s favorite books by Harrison Brown, The Challenge of Man’s Future, which openly advocates a “broad eugenics program” — and also featured Holdren’s own praise for the book:
I should emphasize, therefore, that my contribution is written in what I take to be the spirit in which Harrison wrote The Challenge of Man’s Future—that is, the conviction that it is necessary to dwell on the perils in order to stimulate timely action to avoid or minimize them.
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To put too much emphasis on the correctness or incorrectness of particular predictions, however, is to miss the main point of writing usefully about the future. The idea is not to be “right,” but to illuminate the possibilities in a way that both stimulates sensible debate about the sort of future we want and facilitates sound decisions about getting from here to there. This philosophy has informed Harrison Brown’s writing about the human future throughout the four decades in which he has been doing it. Our understanding of the dimensions of the human predicament—and of what might be done to alleviate it—is much the better for his effort.
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The mid-twentieth-century revival of Malthus’s insight that no combination of good technology and good management can cope with unlimited population growth on a finite planet (a revival to which Harrison Brown’s 1954 book, The Challenge of Man’s Future, was the most eloquent and comprehensive contribution) is more relevant in the 1980s than ever.
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In the spirit in which Harrison Brown wrote The Challenge of Man’s Future some thirty years ago, this chapter has been written as a contribution to the continuing effort to help create that consensus.
Zombie notes:
The first paragraph of this long quote confirms what some of Holdren’s defenders claimed about his statements in Ecoscience — namely that Holdren proposes extreme measures simply as scare tactics. When he says “it is necessary to dwell on the perils in order to stimulate timely action,” it’s his way of saying that we should terrify the populace into going along with his proposals by painting a dire picture of what the alternatives might be. (Global warming, anyone?)
I found the next paragraph particularly amusing, especially his claim that it’s not important to make accurate predictions about the future, but simply to make any predictions at all — the wilder, the better, apparently — to “stimulate debate.” (Global warming, anyone?)
And the rest of the quote is the by-now-familiar groveling by Holdren at the altar of Brown.
Will Letterman crack jokes with Dr. Holdren about “de-development?”
Perhaps they’ll share a laugh about the prospect of “zero economic growth” or Holdren’s views regarding newborn babies not being fully human.
Yep. Late Night With The Population Control Freak and the Perv.
Should be riveting television.
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I am again reprinting what I reported last month on Holdren and Brown as a reminder of what the science czar refuses to talk about:
Well, I have indeed read one of Holdren’s recent works that reveals his clingy reverence for, and allegiance to, the gurus of population control authoritarianism. He’s just gotten smarter about cloaking it behind global warming hysteria. In 2007, he addressed the American Association for the Advancement of Science conference. Holdren served as AAAS president; the organization posted his full powerpoint presentation (you can download the whole thing here.)
Take a gander at the opening slide that set the tone for his entire speech. Holdren admitted that his “preoccupation” with apocalyptic matters such as “the rates at which people breed” is a lifelong obsession inspired by scientist Harrison Brown:
Who is Harrison Brown? And what’s in “The Challenge of Man’s Future?” Holdren’s hero was a “distinguished member” of the International Eugenics Society. And, lo and behold, Harrison Brown advocated the same population control-freak measures Holdren put forth in Ecoscience.
Harrison Brown, writing to us from the year 1954 in his book, “The Challenge of Man’s Future,” suggests a method that would strike us as a crass violation of the rights mentioned above:
Let us suppose that in a given year the birth rate exceeds the death rate by a certain amount, thus resulting in a population increase. During the following year the number of permitted inseminations is decreased, and the number of permitted abortions is increased, in such a way that the birth rate is lowered by the requisite amount. If the death rate exceeds the birth rate, the number of permitted inseminations would be increased while the number of abortions would be decreased. The number of abortions and artificial inseminations permitted in a given year would be determined completely by the difference between the number of deaths and the number of births in the year previous.
But that wouldn’t be all. If we are to maintain a worldwide sustainable industrial society, we will need to control population across current borders. If we don’t, many members of overpopulated societies will soon be knocking at our doors asking for assistance or even entry.
Brown also suggests that such control over reproduction might be used to slow down the deterioration of the human species. This has occurred in industrial society because humans are no longer subject to natural selection to the same degree that they have been in the past. Those who are healthy and able might be encouraged through incentives to have several offspring, while those who have deficiencies, say, of sight or hearing or mental ability might be discouraged. The problem, he notes, is in deciding what really constitutes “fit” or “unfit” and overcoming our revulsion to such a eugenics scheme. Still, he adds, when one considers the bald evolutionary facts, it behooves human societies, if they want to remain resilient in the face of changing conditions on Earth, to somehow replace nature’s cruel hand in pruning the so-called “unfit” with something less drastic. It’s that or face eventual extinction.
Brown acknowledges that none of this will seem acceptable to the vast majority of his readers. But, he is concerned that unless population stability and other problems are addressed head on, arrangements that are far more restrictive and objectionable than the ones he proposes may be implemented in their place.
Harrison Brown’s book — the book that inspired Obama science czar John Holdren — also infamously likened the world’s growing population to “a pulsating mass of maggots.” Don’t just believe me. Believe your own eyes:
A Time magazine profile of Brown published when his book came out in 1954 reported: “Scientist Brown is not confident that anything can be done, but he insists that population control is the first and essential measure; only by cutting their birth rates drastically can the crowded agricultural countries hope to enjoy the benefits of industrialization.”
If, as the White House claims, Holdren no longer believes that “that determining optimal population is a proper role of government,” then why does he still pay homage to one of the country’s most renowned population control advocates and plug his half-century-old tome advocating better-living-through-engineered-abortions? Don’t just take my word. Believe your own eyes:
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Commenter Rogue Cheddar on Letterman and Holdren: “So if these two maggots get together, does that constitute a pulsating mass?”
Bracing for Letterman and Holdren’s “Top Ten Methods of Ridding the Planet of Undesirables”…
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Unfortunately the low birthrates in the countries you mention are having no effect on the growing population in the USA. In the case of Japan and Europe it makes sense that small countries with a very large population would try to stabilize their population. How they are doing this, i.e., is it only through education, I don’t know.
In the USA most of the rapid population growth is from immigration, both legal and illegal. It has been proven that virtually nothing is going to be done by the US government to limit immigration. If education means people will voluntarily limit the number of offspring they have, (and yes, I believe it does), then the result is going to be a continued rapid increase in those who have less education. This is what is happening now, and it’s a big reason why Obama is president and trying to impose a socialist/marxist agenda at warp speed. If, as predicted, the US population reaches more than 1 billion by 2100, the prospect for a conservative majority will be much lower than it is today.
You cannot ignore propaganda. There are people who read here who do not know what lgm says is ludicrously wrong. If he makes some nonsensical or blatantly untrue comment, and what he says lies undisputed, the casual and largely uniformed reader (the one trying to learn and make up their minds … the one whose opinion most might actually change) often assumes what was said must have been true.
That is why propaganda works.
On the other hand, like you I sometimes get exasperated by the number of responses he gets …… including yours and mine.
I know the answer is not mass abortions, but the world population went from about 3 billion in 1970 to almost 7 billion 40 years later. Hundreds of millions of human beings are starving, and do not seem scientifically or intellectually capable of feeding themselves. I dismiss this guy and his “mentor” as wackjobs because their solutions are deranged. But that doesn’t mean the problem isn’t real: it is.
He is a useful idiot; a constant reminder of what this world would be like with people who think like him making policy. Thus he reminds me to be vigilant and active in doing what I can to keep conservatives in office.
I agree.
You are quite simply wrong. The reality is that as populations become wealthier and individuals become less dependent on having children to add to the ‘tribe’ (for its survival) and to take care of them in their old age, the people stop breeding. Sometimes entirely.
That is not a theory. We see it happening right now throughout the developed world. It is a proven FACT.
Spread freedom of enterprise (capitalism) and the prosperity it brings, and the population problem will be in the OTHER direction.
The huge problem with BOB’s argument is that in the 200 years since Malthus the human population has vastly increased, but the percentage of people still immured in poverty has DECLINED, while the rest, even “the poor”, lead lives vastly better than the lumpen Malthus wrote about. Fifty years ago sociologists like Gunnar Myrdal wrote books entitled “Asian Drama….The Poverty of Nations”, predicting that countries like India and China would NEVER escape their misery. Look what happened.
As for these “hundreds of millions of starving people”, where are they? Get gawddamn specific, will you? And then separate out the situation where the starving are NOT in that condition because of actions of their governments, NOT overpopulation.
What the hell kind of prognostication is it that has continued for 200 years now, starting with Malthus, and has yet to come to pass???? Who you gonna believe: Malthus, Brown and Ehrlich, or your lying eyes??
As for responding to lgm: often it’s a waste of time. But here the comments have shown just how wrong-headed and inconsistent he is being. He is thus our “useful idiot”.
The average life expectancy on the continent of Africa is around 40 years old. Geography does make a difference Industrial Nations have shown they extend the life span of a human being that is a good thing not a bad thing.
http://www.sitesatlas.com/Thematic-Maps/Death-rate.html
Eugenics isn’t about how many, it’s about WHO they will allow to live, they are trying to rig the playing field in their political favor.
We fought these people in WWII, and won. They are nothing more or less than Soulless Ghouls.
This is OT, but please read and act accordingly. This indoctrination should not stand!
Here is the link:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/10582301/President-Obama’s-Address-to-Students-Across-America-September-8-2009
Here is another link from http://www.ed.gov
http://www.ed.gov/admins/lead/academic/bts.html
This is very scary.
just came here to post this. MY kids will be absent that day, without question.
Both China and India now have populations of more than 1 billion. India’s population growth is about three times that of China. Even China’s population growth is higher than they want….and it didn’t get were it is today from the wealth of the average Chinese citizen. It got there by government control limiting the number of children a couple is allowed to have.
2008 population growth rates/country:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/peo_pop_gro_rat-people-population-growth-rate
BOB: what’s your point? China limited its population by government fiat, and has made dramatic economic progress with health/longevity improvements that go with it. That one-child policy has resulted in many female infants being killed, leaving millions of men without prospects for married life.
India did NOT limit its population, and has made dramatic economic progress with health/longivity improvements that go with it.
If anything, India’s experience shows that draconian social measures are NOT a necessary condition to increasing wealth and health. For one thing, India dropped socialism for capitalism, while china continues to hobble itself with state-ownership of many industries, and de facto control of the rest.
I always thought of “him” as being the result of a open computer in the boy’s lavatory in a grammar school with a big sign over it saying: “write whatever you want.”
Besides, answering lgm is like shooting puppies in a barrel.