Wackjob science czar to appear on David Letterman
According David Letterman’s website, wackjob science czar Dr. John Holdren is scheduled to appear Wednesday night, September 2.
Holdren has been a guest on Letterman before. He visited in April 2008 to ply global warming scare propaganda.
Not a peep from Letterman about Holdren’s spectacularly wrong predictions and irresponsible alarmism.
And we certainly won’t expect a peep from Letterman about Holdren’s extremist musings on forced abortions, mass sterilizations, and undesirables.
Wouldn’t want to be accused of “defamation” by the left-wing blogs, eh, Dave?
Holdren’s office has gotten away with stonewalling questions about the science czar’s promotion of his colleague and mentor, eugenicist Harrison Brown.
These are the questions I asked last month — and which many readers also asked of Holdren’s office to no avail:
1) Does Dr. Holdren disavow the population control extremism of his intellectual mentor and colleague, Harrison Brown or not?
2) Does Dr. Holdren also view the world population as a “pulsating mass of maggots?”
3) Was Dr. Holdren unaware of Harrison Brown’s views when he paid homage to him at the AAAS keynote address in 2007?
Internet investigative blogger Zombie spotlighted copious passages from one of Holdren’s favorite books by Harrison Brown, The Challenge of Man’s Future, which openly advocates a “broad eugenics program” — and also featured Holdren’s own praise for the book:
I should emphasize, therefore, that my contribution is written in what I take to be the spirit in which Harrison wrote The Challenge of Man’s Future—that is, the conviction that it is necessary to dwell on the perils in order to stimulate timely action to avoid or minimize them.
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To put too much emphasis on the correctness or incorrectness of particular predictions, however, is to miss the main point of writing usefully about the future. The idea is not to be “right,” but to illuminate the possibilities in a way that both stimulates sensible debate about the sort of future we want and facilitates sound decisions about getting from here to there. This philosophy has informed Harrison Brown’s writing about the human future throughout the four decades in which he has been doing it. Our understanding of the dimensions of the human predicament—and of what might be done to alleviate it—is much the better for his effort.
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The mid-twentieth-century revival of Malthus’s insight that no combination of good technology and good management can cope with unlimited population growth on a finite planet (a revival to which Harrison Brown’s 1954 book, The Challenge of Man’s Future, was the most eloquent and comprehensive contribution) is more relevant in the 1980s than ever.
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In the spirit in which Harrison Brown wrote The Challenge of Man’s Future some thirty years ago, this chapter has been written as a contribution to the continuing effort to help create that consensus.
Zombie notes:
The first paragraph of this long quote confirms what some of Holdren’s defenders claimed about his statements in Ecoscience — namely that Holdren proposes extreme measures simply as scare tactics. When he says “it is necessary to dwell on the perils in order to stimulate timely action,” it’s his way of saying that we should terrify the populace into going along with his proposals by painting a dire picture of what the alternatives might be. (Global warming, anyone?)
I found the next paragraph particularly amusing, especially his claim that it’s not important to make accurate predictions about the future, but simply to make any predictions at all — the wilder, the better, apparently — to “stimulate debate.” (Global warming, anyone?)
And the rest of the quote is the by-now-familiar groveling by Holdren at the altar of Brown.
Will Letterman crack jokes with Dr. Holdren about “de-development?”
Perhaps they’ll share a laugh about the prospect of “zero economic growth” or Holdren’s views regarding newborn babies not being fully human.
Yep. Late Night With The Population Control Freak and the Perv.
Should be riveting television.
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I am again reprinting what I reported last month on Holdren and Brown as a reminder of what the science czar refuses to talk about:
Well, I have indeed read one of Holdren’s recent works that reveals his clingy reverence for, and allegiance to, the gurus of population control authoritarianism. He’s just gotten smarter about cloaking it behind global warming hysteria. In 2007, he addressed the American Association for the Advancement of Science conference. Holdren served as AAAS president; the organization posted his full powerpoint presentation (you can download the whole thing here.)
Take a gander at the opening slide that set the tone for his entire speech. Holdren admitted that his “preoccupation” with apocalyptic matters such as “the rates at which people breed” is a lifelong obsession inspired by scientist Harrison Brown:
Who is Harrison Brown? And what’s in “The Challenge of Man’s Future?” Holdren’s hero was a “distinguished member” of the International Eugenics Society. And, lo and behold, Harrison Brown advocated the same population control-freak measures Holdren put forth in Ecoscience.
Harrison Brown, writing to us from the year 1954 in his book, “The Challenge of Man’s Future,” suggests a method that would strike us as a crass violation of the rights mentioned above:
Let us suppose that in a given year the birth rate exceeds the death rate by a certain amount, thus resulting in a population increase. During the following year the number of permitted inseminations is decreased, and the number of permitted abortions is increased, in such a way that the birth rate is lowered by the requisite amount. If the death rate exceeds the birth rate, the number of permitted inseminations would be increased while the number of abortions would be decreased. The number of abortions and artificial inseminations permitted in a given year would be determined completely by the difference between the number of deaths and the number of births in the year previous.
But that wouldn’t be all. If we are to maintain a worldwide sustainable industrial society, we will need to control population across current borders. If we don’t, many members of overpopulated societies will soon be knocking at our doors asking for assistance or even entry.
Brown also suggests that such control over reproduction might be used to slow down the deterioration of the human species. This has occurred in industrial society because humans are no longer subject to natural selection to the same degree that they have been in the past. Those who are healthy and able might be encouraged through incentives to have several offspring, while those who have deficiencies, say, of sight or hearing or mental ability might be discouraged. The problem, he notes, is in deciding what really constitutes “fit” or “unfit” and overcoming our revulsion to such a eugenics scheme. Still, he adds, when one considers the bald evolutionary facts, it behooves human societies, if they want to remain resilient in the face of changing conditions on Earth, to somehow replace nature’s cruel hand in pruning the so-called “unfit” with something less drastic. It’s that or face eventual extinction.
Brown acknowledges that none of this will seem acceptable to the vast majority of his readers. But, he is concerned that unless population stability and other problems are addressed head on, arrangements that are far more restrictive and objectionable than the ones he proposes may be implemented in their place.
Harrison Brown’s book — the book that inspired Obama science czar John Holdren — also infamously likened the world’s growing population to “a pulsating mass of maggots.” Don’t just believe me. Believe your own eyes:
A Time magazine profile of Brown published when his book came out in 1954 reported: “Scientist Brown is not confident that anything can be done, but he insists that population control is the first and essential measure; only by cutting their birth rates drastically can the crowded agricultural countries hope to enjoy the benefits of industrialization.”
If, as the White House claims, Holdren no longer believes that “that determining optimal population is a proper role of government,” then why does he still pay homage to one of the country’s most renowned population control advocates and plug his half-century-old tome advocating better-living-through-engineered-abortions? Don’t just take my word. Believe your own eyes:
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Commenter Rogue Cheddar on Letterman and Holdren: “So if these two maggots get together, does that constitute a pulsating mass?”
Bracing for Letterman and Holdren’s “Top Ten Methods of Ridding the Planet of Undesirables”…
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Well of course. Letterman would like to know where he fits in the ‘scheme’ of things.
Please don’t make me watch David Letterman!
So if these two maggots get together, does that constitute a pulsating mass?
Global Warming Alarmism has NOTHING to do with science and everything to do with radical politics. It is time the Republican Party at least come out full square against. I still am sickened by the sight of Newt with Pelosi spreading such nonsense.
The Marxists are getting brave …
Score.
An apt description since Letterman’s show is dead meat. That’s where maggots will gather.
I can hear the channels changing from here.
Note to Dave: Substituting a political agenda for news has been a train-wreck for your colleagues down the hall. Substituting a political agenda for entertainment will be worse.
This Admin has ‘got to go”. The sooner the better.
and………..
Letterman’s a Babbling I.D.I.O.T.
Well, Washington DC has the highest population density, and it could use some thinning, particulalry among the political demographic.
Rounding out the top 11 (simply to include California) New Jersey, Rhode Island, Mass, Conn, Maryland, Delaware, New York, Florida, Ohio, and California.
Let’s call his bluff and let the culling begin !
Will Letteman have Holdren do the ‘top ten’ list this time?
Top Ten Reasons to Rid the Planet of Humans:
#1–Letterman, David.
No other reasons needed.
WTF!!!!
The guy would force birth control on everyone, AND the so-called “right to choose” would be tossed out the window.
Oh, the feminazis are gonna love that one —if they would only notice.
Like Glenn Beck we need to keep pointing out what fascistic thugs and whackjobs Obama is trying to foist off on us as “expert advisers”.
Letterman is in NYC…64 degrees in NYC this morning. Could use a little warming. It IS still August. Reminds me of where ever Algore is giving a speech, that city has a cold spell.
I understand that Letterman is taping the show live from Buchenwald, to give it the appropriate vibe…
Apologies to Michelle re: ‘top ten’ list.
I’ll be sure to miss it
I don’t watch Letterman I have absolutely no interest in who he books. But I am not surprized that CBS is trying to use his show to help with damage control…expect him to show up on the Today show NBC and Curic CBS next…and again I won’t be watching.
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John Holdren sounds like he supports the Chinese communist ONE CHILD PER FAMILY plan–which has penalties and forced abortions for those women who violate the policy.
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I have known a lot of very highly educated fools in my lifetime. You can send a fool to college–but you can’t make him any smarter–only better educated.
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The democRATS / liberals / socialists / statists / marxists / communists are all PRO-CHOICE–provided that the “choice” under discussion is ABORTION. Any other choice is off the table–they will choose for us.
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John Bibb
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Letterman has fully qualified himself as a “useful idiot“.
To me, he is just a waste of time.
I’ll watch Beck instead. TG for tivo.
And lgm will claim all these long dissertations on population control were “taken out of context.”
This is doubtless an effort to “de-stinkify” this guy by the administration by slathering him around as a jolly good Joe with friendly media types like gap-toothed grampa.
I have a prediction. Wed’s show will be all softballs and apologetics.
I know I’m going way out on a limb here…
So that is what liberals call entertainment?
I mean it is supposed to be entertainment TV isn’t it?
one of the smartest inspirational speakers i ever saw was a black man named brown. he was absolutely awe inspiring and his most rational thought was ” if you want to be a loser, hang around with losers, if you want to be successful, hang around with successful people.” obama has surrounded himself with crazy communist whackjobs, what does that make him?
The Obama website has labeled opponents of ChappaquiddiCare “heirs of bin Laden.
It’s good thing they are restraining themselves from making outrageous accusations.
DITTO!!!
How do I kill maggots,I’ll try anything!!!??? - Yahoo! Answers
They are in our trash bin outside. I DONT want them in the house. … Bleach will kill them. I’ve done it. … i have found an answer first spray them with wasp …
answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid..
See Rogue Cheddar- there are answers to every problem
Sadly WackJob John Holdren is not atypical of this Obamination. We are indeed known by the company we keep.
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Let your sidearm be like MasterCard
Don’t leave home without it
What this all comes down to is whether Hope-a-Dope can pull off a repeat of, “It’s the Economy, Stupid.”
Clinton’s detractors tried to awaken the electorate to his character flaws and to the corruption in his administration, but to no avail because as long as the economy grew there was little appetite for that knowledge.
The same thing is applicable today. If the economy is on the mend by this time next year, the electorate won’t care if Hope-a-Dope staffs his entire administration with serial killers. And if the economy is still on the skids at that time, nothing else will matter.
Maggots are the larval stage of flies and will not migrate into the house until they are adult flies. My guess is the wasp spray is just for fun. (Former pest control guy.)
I don’t watch Letterman. I never thought he was anything but condescending and arrogant, cruel and not funny.
He’ll probably find a way to make a cut involving Sarah Palin and her son Trig.
ChappaquiddiCare
But He Whose Name is Hussein Shall Not be Mocked-except by us of course.
When Homeland Security’s New Black Panther Party Immortals come for you throw a baggie of salt out the door–they will kill each other trying to get to it.
Hey spacey!
We are closing in on 10,000 on the monster thread. We want you to show up for the milestone event.
Did you get offended by something?
What happened to Joy?
I desparately miss Johnny Carson!! He may have been a liberal (I don’t know) but he NEVER mixed politics with humor. He was an entertainer. And, late at night, watching him was such a treat. Now, if I accidentaly tune in to one of them, my blood pressure goes up and I can’t sleep. Why would they do this to late night “entertainment”??? They are killing their networks. Only the far left loonies watch any more. And David Letterman hasn’t been funny or entertaining for years. A useful doofus indeed.
Population control??? Why not start by kicking out the illegals and their anchor babies?
Hi, spacey!
Not sure where you saw previous post. Leaving bread crumbs,
Thanks. I remember that.
Don’t blame you not letting zero have the satisfaction of seeing you crawl back.
If depopulation was really their main concern, they would all send themselves to carousel. That’s called leading by example, since they are all still using up my air, I take their assertions about population control to be insincere.
They are remaking Logan’s Run it is due out in 2010 how timely
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0402344/
For Pete’s sake, the last scanned quote is undeniably true. The earth had a stable human population because four out of every six children born never reached adulthood. Modern medicine changed that. The earth cannot sustain an exponentially growing population (someone with a math/science background: please explain exponential growth). The earth is finite and exponential growth is not.
Exponential population growth will not continue indefinitely, not even for ten generations. The question is not “will it stop?”, but “what will stop it?”, or “what is the best way to stop it?” Brown and the others are laying out the choices: war and famine, reversion to pre-industrial health care, or simple birth control. You choose.
Don’t you mean let the Government choose? Wasn’t that Hitler’s argument? What methods would you prefer? What criteria would you use to decide who lives and who dies? Would there be a “Death Panel”?
I’d rather watch reruns of GB than letterman….let’s see 2 morons on the same show = complete waste of air time….
The Sierra Club those must be one of those right wing extremist radical groups.
Folks ridiculed people for suggesting that the entire world population could fit in Texas, but at the density level the Sierra Club was advocating, all 6 billion people in the world today would be able to fit in an area just 2 percent as large as Texas. The state could hold upwards of 300 billion people at that level of density.
Responding to criticism, the Sierra Club quickly took the page down and retooled it, defining efficient urban density as only 100 households per acre. But that’s still a population density of 153,600 people per square mile, or a density high enough to put every single man, woman and child in Texas almost 7 times. Forget Texas, the entire world population could fit in Virginia!
It is almost beyond belief to see a mainstream environmental organization actually advocating population densities that exceed those proposed by the Texas thought experiment. At least the critics of overpopulation claims never actually advocated such an absurdity.
http://www.overpopulation.com/articles/2001/could-the-entire-world-live-in-texas-part-ii/
I choose retroactive birth control, for you!
Actually, that would be for your Mom.
It is an odd marriage between labor, Green and their allies Zero Population, Socialist and too many in business and banking. It is an odd marriage but they would kill millions of us to achieve their common goals. These are the people who claim Stain’s Gulag were merely labor camps akin to the Work Progress Administration or the Boy Scouts and the Ukraine Famine never happened.
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Paranoia is a good thing when they really are after you
Funny how population control always needs to be visited upon those with a higher melanin count and don’t live in the Upper West Side or Pacific Heights.
Overpopulation is one of the biggest scams ever dumped on the public. All it is a push for eugenics.
lgm, what you and the other fools who swallow down this kind of stuff forget is that Brown first paraded out his litany of horribles 55 years ago, about 120 years AFTER Malthus offeree HIS litany of horribles.
Since Malthus’s time the human population has more than quadrupled, yet the health and lifespans of humans have vastly increased, not decreased.
What would have happened if we had listened to Brown? Would he, for example, have killed Norman Borlag’s “Green Revolution” research yielding genetically robust crops, so that the extra billion people alive today thanks to abundance of food would never have been born?
Is that your preferred outcome, lgm?
As for what will stop the growth, governments in the West are already doing their part by taxing the carp out of people so they have less money left to raise children.
Mother Nature also has her methods, though they tend to be drastic. But even if natural forces eventually cause humans to die off in droves there will be some point where a new equilibrium will be met.
Not so with you grandiose Human Engineering types, who would NEVER admit having achieved your goal, in that it would mean you would have to give up power and control.
(c.f. global warming)
I thought lgm was supposed to be some kind of maths teacher. He really seems to lack any sort of aptitude for it.
Definitely a graduate of the Josef Mengele School of Medicine, Ayman Zawahiri Pediatric Department.
With modern medicine, it would be easy for our population to double every generation — child producing couples could have an average of five kids. If that would happen, our population would grow by a factor of a thousand (actually 1024) in ten generations. That would turn 6.6 Billion into 6.6 Trillion (which is more, numbnuts). It would be a factor of a million in twenty generations.
lgm, did any of your mother’s children live?
Letterman is outclassed by an interview with Paris Hilton. You don’t expect him to challenge someone that graduated high school, do you?
You are being disingenuos once again. It is the Global Government chooses.
I guess my wife and I made our choice by not having children. As far as Global population, I would rather let God choose.
Well, that explains why liberals worked so hard to eradicate DDT: mosquito borne population control! And letting illegals into the country with no health clearances? More population control!
So let him go to India or China, where population pressures are high, not here, were we barely have a replacement birth rate.
Why (once again) should the U.S. be the one to bear the brunt of liberal socialist social experimentation and human engineering?
Oh yeah: because these losers would be shot in China and laughed off the street in India.
Anyone who really believed liberal government interference with one’s private life would end at the bedroom door is deluded.
The desire to control others is not satisfied until it is absolute.
Mister P said (#52):
That’s lgm quality spelling thar.
Why do people use ridicule as a form of argument?
G-d in his wisdom gave us free will. Starting with Adam, we’ve made some dubious choices. Maybe we can get this one right, for a change.
This Holdren is a bureaucratic version of Ted Bundy. A psychopath with governmental power behind him. How scary is that?
And the Left was terrified of Joe McCarthy? Butterflies and land mines by comparison.
Like Malthus and Brown before him, lgm commits the logical fallacy that begins with, “if present trends continue”.
Who says they will?
What is the evidence THUS FAR that Malthus and Brown are correct?
THAT kind of reasoning gets all sorts of speculators KILLED in the stock market.
The answer has already been given to us. Countries which have little poverty have much lower birth rates.
The answer is wealth.
For LGM and other dimwits: Capitalism creates wealth!
That is why I am suspicious of the swine flu shots. Call me paranoid, I don’t care. I am NOT a paranoid schitzophrenic like everyone thinks I am…and neither am I, and neither am I. Actually, I do think we need to question the whole swine flu thing!
Ha.
Maybe this guy will be part of a Stupid Pet Tricks segment.
Because it makes me feel alive!
lgm, do you still think all this is being taken out of context?
What about all the people who are dying daily of natural causes ect – the death rate…..you are only looking at one side of the equation.
He gave individuals free will, and it is not for the government to take it away playing God.
So LGM tell us, what is YOUR solution? Are you willing to neuter all your children and grandchildren, or is this only for other people?
On August 31st, 2009 at 10:49 am,
NBC put Conad O’Brian on the Tonight Show to help David’s ratings.
This guy sounds just like a CHI-COMM. I’ll bet money the CHI-COMMs are the example for the New World Order.
The state tells you how many children you can have, what is right and wrong, takes more of your money, is the only institution that can teach your children,(5yr olds about masterbation), and allows you healthcare if you are not to old.
U.S. Population expected to exceed 1 billion by 2100:
http://www.flsuspop.org/docs/americaburstingattheseams.htm
OK, at 66 years old this won’t affect me, and I’m sure everyone can still fit in….but will it be fun?
Moonbats like lgm are simply amazing:
On Monday, Wednesday and Friday they tell us our medical care is too good, that it’s created a Population Bomb requiring draconian solutions.
The other days of the week they tell us our infant mortality and longevity stats are worse than the rest of the developed world, requiring….wait for it… better health care!!!
I’d tell lgm to make up his frackin mind, but by now we know there’s nothing between his ears but a hard vacuum.
Eugenics = Government Selection.
If healthcare reform is passed and even remotely resembles what is in the bill(s) now, especially with all medical records going directly to D.C., whether it’s this regime or another down the road – how long before DNA testing is mandatory and anyone predisposed for certain diseases will be denied treatment for any care since they’re already at risk? Nobody will have to consider ovens. Package it right and the policy of natural selection won’t even raise a blimp on the radar….
Package it right and the policy of natural selection won’t even raise a blimp on the radar….
I think it’s supposed to be a “blip” on the radar, but in a cockeyed way I like your version better!!
Droolcup #71
You are so right – and I even used preview this time! Back to the kitchen for me.
Oh don’t pretend!
We are learning from your leader…
Well, not until 2010 anyway…
Tried to watch a Letterman show several years ago. Found it to be juvenile, unfunny, and a complete waste of time. Never tuned in again. Extremely low probability that Holdren’s appearance will reverse that trend.
Oh good . . . one whack job interviewing another whack job. If this country and its inept. incompetent leadership make you feel a little insecure you’re probably not alone.
I choose you, to tell the lesbians to give up their turkey basters!
Letterman became a baby boomer liberal a long time ago. He was interviewing Jane Fonda a while back and Letterman became emotional and said “Of course you were right about VietNam. We had no business being there”. The gist of Letterman’s interview with Fonda was that Fonda was right to root for an American defeat and then Dave went on ad nauseum about how much Jane had sacrificed of her career to help VietNam veterans. The fact that the veterans, to a man, hate Fonda’s guts meant nothing to dimwitted Letterman. He has still not told even one joke at Obama’s expense. At least with Clinton, he told fat jokes. Letterman showed his shallowness when after 9/11/2001, Letterman brought Dan Rather on the show and pronounced Rather a hero of 9/11 and an expert on US foreign policy. Rather agreed on both counts.
Meanwhile Senator Begich is bringing a coalition to Alaska to investigate “global warming hotspots”. I kid you not. I guess Bristol Bay would not be one of those “hot spots” as it is 45 degrees with fog and rain today. We could use a little warming here!
A question for our congress.
I am aware that the president can ask advice from any source he chooses, including special appointed individuals designated as Czars. I have the following questions.
1. What is the function of these appointed Czars. Are they in an advisory capacity only or can they independently dictate policy?
2. What is the role of our elected officials in congress with regards to these Czars?
3. Does congress have oversight into the function of these none elected Czars?
4. By what laws or dictates are corporations bound to follow the dictates of these Czars?
5. Who is footing the bill for these Czars, if they are federally funded, has the payment of salaries and wages been authorized by congress? If yes, does this imply that congress has given its approval of these Czars?
6. What insight does the American public have into activities of these appointed Czars?
7. Do the American people through congress have input into the policies formulated and or implemented by these Czars?
Thank you
Please explain how Japan and Europe don’t even have a birthrate that will sustain them is “exponential”. If you need help with the math, please ask one of your colleagues.
…then I’ll explain my grammer…
On August 31st, 2009 at 1:24 pm, lgm said:
This is 2009, not 1970, you dolt. Have a look at wealthy evil capitalist country’s birthrates versus third-world socialist nations and dictatorships. Most of Europe is experiencing negative birthrates, America is holding its own.
Third world? Kenya, for instance? Exploding.
Statistically, people reduce their own birthrates out of their own free will when they are wealthy, healthy, and most of all, free. You would know this if you were living in 2009, not 1970.
But forgetting that point for a moment, since you are a moron and probably didn’t understand it to begin with, consider this statement:
No man or woman on earth should have the political power to decide how many children an entire population should or shouldn’t have.
That is the kind of power given to Stalin, Mao, Hitler.
That kind of power is tyrannical and dictatorial. It doesn’t matter if it’s to save puppy dogs and happy happy joy joy. That kind of power is too much for any human or collection of humans to wield without it causing absolute corruption.
And anyone who advocates giving that power to someone else – for any reason no matter how “noble” it may seem – is at best an idiot, at worst a controlling and fascistic monster.
You choose which you are.
lgm – Education is also an answer. The better educated have less poverty and and lower birthrates. They do so by choice. No need for draconian methods, unless one is on a power trip.
Why do so many of you respond to lgm? We all know that individual is an absolute moron. You just encourage this idiot. If he REALLY believed all his dribble, he would slit his wrists and rid the world of one more over-consuming, polluting, procriating (God forbid) human. Like my mother told me as a child, just ignore him and maybe he will go away.
Please…it is bad enough he comments, but then I have to read all of your responses to HIM. My dog has better sense (then again, my dog listens to Rush and Mark Levin).
Also, I do not believe lgm is one person but a staff over at Huff & Puff Post that’s sole purpose os to annoy us on different sites. Just ignore them. Ignoring them is to them what they seem to do to you…..annoy and frustrate.
letterman did some nasty jokes about cheney tonight. jokes about a medical condition qualify as humor to him. the audience did laugh.
Letterman sucks
Forced abortions, mass sterilizations; oh yes the Progressives Racial Hygiene born anew. Elimination of the Unfit such as Imbeciles, dyslexic, Epileptics, Mongoloids. From Sanger to Eichmann to Dr. John Holdren murder and brutality in the name of A Brave New World, New World Order or New Social Contract, whatever.
But then we are a Fallen Race.
And I am sure we have all studied the Exponential Rules and Logarithms-not majored in but studied. And if you are over 50 or so you probably had a semester-maybe more- of Greek and or Latin. Aculei irriti – it’s all I can remember
Yes I know-we should ignore the little jerk Whose Name I Did Not Mention.
That says a lot about his studio audience-none of it good.
On September 1st, 2009 at 1:37 am, BobonStatenIsland said:
Exercise.
Letterman & Holdren – 2 peas in a pod.
The last time Letterman was funny was when he stuck alka-seltzers all over his body and got into a tank of water. Too bad he didn’t completely dissolve.
I felt some compassion for him during his heart condition, but since then he’s forgotten from where his blessings come from…if he ever knew in the first place.
Unfortunately the low birthrates in the countries you mention are having no effect on the growing population in the USA. In the case of Japan and Europe it makes sense that small countries with a very large population would try to stabilize their population. How they are doing this, i.e., is it only through education, I don’t know.
In the USA most of the rapid population growth is from immigration, both legal and illegal. It has been proven that virtually nothing is going to be done by the US government to limit immigration. If education means people will voluntarily limit the number of offspring they have, (and yes, I believe it does), then the result is going to be a continued rapid increase in those who have less education. This is what is happening now, and it’s a big reason why Obama is president and trying to impose a socialist/marxist agenda at warp speed. If, as predicted, the US population reaches more than 1 billion by 2100, the prospect for a conservative majority will be much lower than it is today.
You cannot ignore propaganda. There are people who read here who do not know what lgm says is ludicrously wrong. If he makes some nonsensical or blatantly untrue comment, and what he says lies undisputed, the casual and largely uniformed reader (the one trying to learn and make up their minds … the one whose opinion most might actually change) often assumes what was said must have been true.
That is why propaganda works.
On the other hand, like you I sometimes get exasperated by the number of responses he gets …… including yours and mine.
I know the answer is not mass abortions, but the world population went from about 3 billion in 1970 to almost 7 billion 40 years later. Hundreds of millions of human beings are starving, and do not seem scientifically or intellectually capable of feeding themselves. I dismiss this guy and his “mentor” as wackjobs because their solutions are deranged. But that doesn’t mean the problem isn’t real: it is.
He is a useful idiot; a constant reminder of what this world would be like with people who think like him making policy. Thus he reminds me to be vigilant and active in doing what I can to keep conservatives in office.
I agree.
You are quite simply wrong. The reality is that as populations become wealthier and individuals become less dependent on having children to add to the ‘tribe’ (for its survival) and to take care of them in their old age, the people stop breeding. Sometimes entirely.
That is not a theory. We see it happening right now throughout the developed world. It is a proven FACT.
Spread freedom of enterprise (capitalism) and the prosperity it brings, and the population problem will be in the OTHER direction.
The huge problem with BOB’s argument is that in the 200 years since Malthus the human population has vastly increased, but the percentage of people still immured in poverty has DECLINED, while the rest, even “the poor”, lead lives vastly better than the lumpen Malthus wrote about. Fifty years ago sociologists like Gunnar Myrdal wrote books entitled “Asian Drama….The Poverty of Nations”, predicting that countries like India and China would NEVER escape their misery. Look what happened.
As for these “hundreds of millions of starving people”, where are they? Get gawddamn specific, will you? And then separate out the situation where the starving are NOT in that condition because of actions of their governments, NOT overpopulation.
What the hell kind of prognostication is it that has continued for 200 years now, starting with Malthus, and has yet to come to pass???? Who you gonna believe: Malthus, Brown and Ehrlich, or your lying eyes??
As for responding to lgm: often it’s a waste of time. But here the comments have shown just how wrong-headed and inconsistent he is being. He is thus our “useful idiot”.