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benefits of only getting compensated for what you truly deserve

No. You just have very out of the mainstream views on what people deserve. Just give em a band aid and a lollipop to stick in their mouth so they will shut the hell up about the surgical sponge left in their gut.

I looked up Texas, all of the studies saying that the malpractice cap was a failure was done by attorney and law groups.

Ah. The old “consider the source” argument. The last refuge of a flailing argument. Ummm….care to find one saying that it has effectively brought health care costs down? Its pretty hard to manipulate raw data like that. If you think the statistics are wrong. Please provide some alternate ones.

benefits of only getting compensated for what you truly deserve

Guess you missed that. I looked up Texas, all of the studies saying that the malpractice cap was a failure was done by attorney and law groups. I am all for measured litigation, I am not for outrageous judgements. I remember some years back how rabidly Sen Edwards was against tort reform, can you guess why?

I am not proving your point, what I am saying is that medical malpractice reform and caps is not showing its potential because of the driving costs of medicine for illegals and the new programs of allowing people across the border to get treatment on taxpayer’s dime.

There is no true potential. You think Texas is the only example? Study after study has all said the same thing. Here is a nice summary:

“Our study also shows that states that have passed severe medical malpractice tort restrictions on victims of medical error have rate changes similar to those states that haven’t adopted these harsh measures. Finally, our research makes clear that medical malpractice claims and premiums have almost no impact on the cost of health care. Medical malpractice premiums are less than one-half of one percent of overall health care costs, and medical malpractice claims are a mere one-fifth of one percent of health care costs. If Congress completely eliminated every single medical malpractice lawsuit, including all legitimate cases, as part of health care reform, overall health care costs would hardly change, but the costs of medical error and hospital-induced injury would remain and someone else would have to pay.”

You are wrong about the effectiveness of tort reform and trying to deflect your wrongness by making this about me wanting to line the pockets of attorneys I don’t know or care about.

And if you don’t think that pain and suffering is not a legitimate component of damages, that is fine. But know you are in the radical minority (but we already knew that, didn’t we) and flying in the face of hundreds of years of English and American jurisprudence. And you clearly know nothing about the positive deterrent effects of the tort system. You basically want to allow bad doctors to go unpunished and injured people go uncompensated out of a childish spite you have for attorneys.

I am not proving your point, what I am saying is that medical malpractice reform and caps is not showing its potential because of the driving costs of medicine for illegals and the new programs of allowing people across the border to get treatment on taxpayer’s dime. The addition of extra doctors could only end up driving costs down, if the market is left alone and the benefits of only getting compensated for what you truly deserve in cases of malpractice and not millions of dollars for “pain and suffering” will definitely help.

I know you want attorneys to still get pain and suffering payments, I get it. That does nothing to help anyone and hinders any true reform. The Health Care Reform Bill as is is a sham, 52% of Americans know this now.

And seeing as I am not a med mal attorney, I don’t see how this is really “agenda driven”.

Oh, this is why Texas has that paycheck to premium thing you lamented. Forget about these people, Chap?

Why do you insist on proving my point? If this is the cost driver, how will tort reform help?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/05/us/05doctors.html?ex=1349236800&en=ead865d1a514aba8&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

http://www.setexasrecord.com/printer/article.asp?c=208642

Huh? How can this be?

“I love how the medical malpractice reform has stopped attorneys from taking cases because they can’t get the high dollar value ‘pain and suffering’ bs that pays out way too much. I have pain and suffering everytime I read Chap’s agenda driven drivel. Where is my check?”

Oh, this is why Texas has that paycheck to premium thing you lamented. Forget about these people, Chap?

http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/2003/feb03/psrfeb03.shtml

I call you out on character flaws, yes, but have I ever called you stupid?

No. You only called me a soldier killer. So forgive me if I have low esteem for your level of intelligence.

You have an agenda, as evidenced when I say that attorneys are a big reason the economy is in shambles and the country is in trouble, you really hate it when I say that.

I generally hate when people say things that are patently absurd. Medical malpractice is not even close to being the primary reason health care is in danger. Take a look at Texas where they instituted caps on med mal in 2003. And then ask yourself why, in 2008, Texas had the 10th worst paycheck-to-premium increase. Tort reform is a canard. I’d throw it in to real health care reform just to shut people like you up.

I debate very hard with you, because I believe you are dangerous.

That’s right! frontier…guy. I am dangerous.

You pulled yourself out of poverty, that is fantastic and whether you like it or not, a very conservative value. You should champion others to do the same, no matter what higher educational institute they attend. Get over yourself and the school you attended. You are a snob, it is a very unappealing character trait.

You have never made me angry. I live in a Blue State. I would walk around in a constant state of madness if I let the liberals here get to me. I know that the majority of liberals are just very misguided, more concerned with the “change” rather than substance of the “change”. They only want to know where American Idol auditions are or who is dancing with a star this week. It is why California is bankrupt, liberal policies are failures.

I believe that you are smart, and therefore dangerous. I have never read a post where you admit liberal policy dangers, only ones where you defend them. The fact that you are smart means that you have an agenda. Such as the health care bill, to say that Tort Reform is a small percentage and should not be considered, really? That is just one example of quite a few. I get over many Californians, they really do not know anything. You have an agenda, as evidenced when I say that attorneys are a big reason the economy is in shambles and the country is in trouble, you really hate it when I say that. You attack me along with what I said. I think you can’t help yourself, this forum is much more friendly to my values than yours and you are not going to convince the majority of posters here that the government and trial attorneys do not have a huge, scratch my back, i’ll scratch yours thing going on. You do try though, but like me going to an organic food shop here and arguing with a liberal buying overpriced apples that global warming is a hoax, it ain’t going nowhere.

I debate very hard with you, because I believe you are dangerous. You are the liberal whose compromises always end up in much more of your favor. This country cannot afford more bankrupted states. With people like you in charge, there will be many more. It must be stopped.

You call me a “limousine liberal”? Hah. I didn’t even have a limo for my own wedding. I grew up working on a family owned dairy farm in one of the poorest areas of the country, shoveling sh1t that was not nearly as offensive as you and throwing bales of hay that had more intellectual heft than you could ever hope to achieve. And worked for a full scholarship to a very good college and worked part time during college because my folks could not afford to put one red cent toward my education. And took out massive loans to put myself through the best law school I could get into. Which happens to be one of the best in the country. But of course, I had help. When my mother was divorced and we were poor, I went to Head Start, which fostered my intellect and creativity. I am sure we also got some sort of WIC or food stamps or something. I also was the beneficiary of government subsidized student loans for law school. All so I could actually afford to become a really good lawyer.

I AM the American dream, you tool. It is just so incredibly shocking that you can’t imagine that anyone who comes from a humble background could actually disagree with your particular brand of pseudo-”blue collar” politics. THAT is true snobbery. And pitiful. But we already knew that about you, didn’t we?

BTW, that last post sounded a bit angry. I didn’t see a single LOL! Maybe if you threw in a few we could really see how cool and collected you are! Watch yourself lest you become that which you condemn.

But make no mistake. I am not angry at you. I find your diatribes perversely amusing. For me to be angry at that would be like Stephen Hawking getting angry at the imbecilic ramblings of a 13 year old who thinks that knowing all of the planets of the solar system makes him an astrophysicist.

When someone tells or says something that has no truth to it, people ignore it.

So when I called you an idiot, and you replied to that comment here:

When you call someone out, watch out, they get angry and will call you names, like stupid or your not intelligent, we all know those types and they are usually liberals.

What does that say? Most people are at least self aware enough not to fall into a trap that they themselves set. But something tells me you are not self aware enough to tie your own shoes.

BTW, I am super sorry you had a bad experience with a lawyer. You should have been smart enough to know ahead of time what his billing policy was and to ask for a detailed itemization of the bill.

And I am especially sorry the second one did not get the result you desired. But really, there is only so much a lawyer with a University of Phoenix JD that he printed off his home computer can do about an incest charge. Those laws are pretty clear cut and strict, as you do doubt discovered.