“I believe Jesus would vote yes for a public option”
MSNBC leftists are now injecting Jesus into the Obamacare debate.
What would Jesus do? Well, Ed Schultz thinks he knows – that is on health care reform at least.
Schultz, on his Sept. 2 MSNBC program, “The ED Show” told viewers he believed Jesus would vote for a government public option. That, he said, was to the dismay of some on religious right, or what he used the pejorative “Bible thumpers” to describe.
Where are Barry Lynn and the anti- “theocracy” crusaders now?
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What on earth is wrong with the site?
Monster thread is gone and this one shows 798,809 responses… with a selection for ‘older comments’…
Did Monster Thread break MM’s site??? Yikes if it did.
It’s all Joy’ fault due to the shameless self promoting of her excellent photographic work!
I call for beheadings!
We didn’t mean to break your site MM!!
Oh dear, oh dear…
right4life…easy on the commas. I don’t have a savior. Which bums me out. Because I don’t have a “theocracy” to look forward to. But don’t let me rain on your parade. I know you’re excited.
On September 3rd, 2009 at 5:53 pm, purealchemy said:
Kind of Harsh in your assessment aren’t we? zero being zero does not make him a posting attention wh*re now does it?
Monster threader migration. Must be that time of year.
KF:
Well, I certainly don’t post links to my own blog (RedPill). Geez, talk about attention whoring.
Isn’t that the root of all of the problems in America today?
Libs have no God, they have to believe in something and they picked Barry Hussein obama as their ‘highest power’.
No real enduring altruistic Good can EVER come from that base of belief system.
They must rely on smiles, ‘personality’, creative speaking and artwork, brute force, deceit, denial and slight of hand (lies) to get their message across to the masses. The masses, the vast majority, don’t buy the nonsensical rhetoric for any length of time…hence the habitual rush to completion for this admin.
False prophets and gods… a belief system that is utterly devoid of any real systemic TRUE HOPE.
On September 3rd, 2009 at 4:53 pm, zeroangel said:
“We“? Are we supposed to believe you are a conservative, zeroangel?
Where is the mega thread???
I lost track of which it is again, & are we migrating…really?
RedPill:
Already addressed, try and keep up. Now then, faith healers should goto jail after someone dies for lack of actual medical care, yes or no?
ALCON:
Also, how many times are we going to address this stupid, “all rights come from god, if you don’t believe in god you don’t believe in rights,” nonsense?
Skippy Gates “Yeah, I’ll speak with yo mamma outside” thread from 7/23. Just topped 10000 posts, but now does not come up.
It’s gone Swede… and we killed MM’s site…
And it just ate my previous post too. And I didn’t even have any links in it.
On September 3rd, 2009 at 5:30 pm, swede said:
It’s not a “birther thing“,
it’s a “dualer thing“.
Follow the link. It’s NOT to my blog.
Joy, relax, it’s not your fault. zero has brought a curse on it from the leprechauns I think.
On September 3rd, 2009 at 7:03 pm, zeroangel said:
Doesn’t change the fact that you are not a conservative, but pretended to speak for all conservatives.
Show me in the Constitution where the government has the authority to send someone to jail for what they believe.
798,829 <— Now THIS is a Monster Thread!! lol
RedPill:
Apparently, some of the sane ones in this thread agree with me.
Where pretty much all power goes to the state. I am sorry, but if you let your son die a painful from appendicitis you belong in jail just like anyone else that is guilty of such negligence when it doesn’t involve religion. Your fundamentalism doesn’t give you a pass. This is a recent case, do I have to find the news article?
OK dinner. BBL.
There is no NATIONAL conservative party, that’s true. There are states, however (like mine) that have a conservative party that occupies a line ofn ballots. If you prefer to refer to a conservative “wing” of the Republican Party we are in agreement. I was a registered REP before I was a registered CONSERV, and then decided I didn’t fit either label and registered as an Independent. So tell me what in your estimation makes a “true conservative” as you call yourself? Does a “true conservative” march in lock step only where Christian principles apply? I disagree. I won’t be button-holed by anyone of any affiliation because I don’t agree with everything they do. I also don’t need to be lectured to by Mr. Middleton on the roots of religion or conservatism. I’ve been both for all my 63 years and know the difference between what I believe to be true and what I believe to be untrue.
Yes – Mr. Middleton – I “conveniently” discriminate between different application of abortion. There is a distinct difference in my view between some roundheel bimbo getting knocked up and wanting an easy way out or her “dilemma” and a case where a woman is raped being forced to carry the rapists child just to suit your beliefs. The same would apply to a woman impregnated by incest … or the case of a woman who would likely die while delivering a baby. You have a problem with that? Doesn’t fit your agenda? You’d happily sacrifice your wife or daughter to you version of the Bible? I guess I’m what you call a bigot, then.
God is not the source of my freedom – I AM – and what I’m willing to fight for. I believe in God. I pray to him. I’ve been given the Last Rights of the church even though I am not Catholic. I’ve been prayed over and prayed with priests, pastors of all Protestant stripes, and even a Rabbi. I have flat-lined twice, and I know exactly what my future is. Don’t even THINK you can lecture me about God, belief systems, or conservative principles, sir. Your view is your view. I am not required to agree in order to fit what you perceive to be “Christian Principles.”
On September 3rd, 2009 at 5:42 pm, Bruce said:
Silly Bruce, you seem to forget that the most successful years for conservatism were under Ronald Reagan, who thought very much like I do.
Read his words…
Interesting, but I have my doubts this will gain traction either. And if it did, President Biden doesn’t sound very exciting. Out of the frying pan…
Dear Leader is dying fast. Best hope I think is cut him off at the knees in ‘10, then boot him in ‘12.
Zero:
BIG LOL: Now to catch up with this exploding thread…
Funny thing about the mid terms. Clinton and the Dem majority was leading to hell in a handbasket esp with Hillary-Care. When Newt and the Contract with America reps gained the majority, it mellowed out the left leaning Clinton making him appear more centrist and politically desirable (:shudder:) with his policies.
Kingfish
Be vewy careful! zero’s uber intellectual mindstream is pulsing through this new thread like a juggernaut, mercilessly crushing lesser life forms like us into quivering masses of jello. Or not.
Swede:
Be wery wery qui-et. We’re hunting statists.
I told you they’d be back. Let’s just hope they didn’t bring the Sandinistas with them.
Kingfish is still here?????
Joy is here??????
swede is here???????????
zero is here??????????????
Oh, God, I just totally lost it on the phone with KF about the monster thread being lost.
I am such a weenie.
Apparently, I’m invisible.
I’m going to go watch a movie with my wife. I’ll be back later.
Sh#t!
I’m sorry JD.
just when you think it can’t get any worse.
I am SO sorry. I was scanning the unnumbered page as it now appears.
or did appear at 8:12pm to me.
How ’bout I just shuffle away?
Good plan.
On September 3rd, 2009 at 7:26 pm, zeroangel said:
1) I personally had appendicitis and went to a doctor to have my appendix surgically removed.
2) Given what you have said, if you are consistent, then you must think that the people who intentionally denied WATER to Terri Schiavo, and let her die a painful death by dehydration as a result of their criminal negligence, belong in jail. But my guess is that you are not consistent, and you will make up some excuse why you think denying medical care is criminal, but denying water is OK.
you have your heaven on earth now with your new bi-racial messiah obama!!
wishful thinking…but better excited than stupid..
As she has apologized may I humbly suggest we merely bite off a finger? That would be the finger she used to break the site.
RedPill:
Nice dodge. No answer I see, just speculation on what my position might be on the Schiavo case because you can’t imagine anything other than a two-sided debate and adherence to the party line.
So, are you going to answer the question or not?
Should faith healers that let children with appendicitis die go to jail or not?
RedPill:
…and comparing an adult that may or may not be brain dead to a child that absolutely will live a full (alert) life if given proper medical care is a stretch at best. Nice try though.
Obama’s bi-racial? I hadn’t heard. Guess I need to visit this site more.
We posted at the same time. My last post was hours earlier. I was just messing with you.
Once the comment number thing is fixed, I’m sure Monster Thread will be back up.
Dear Leader is also bipartisan, bilingual, bipolar, bifurcated and has big biceps.
Bye now.
Thanks. I feel better.
Feeling like I’m having one of those “Clueless” days where everything I do is WRONG!
maybe
At least Fox News is cheering me up and my cat is happy.
Griff Jenkins was interviewing some of the Tea Party Express people. Asked one guy, “If you could tell one thing to your people in Congress, what would it be?”
He said, “Pack up.”
John – I sat under a pyramid all night with my whee-lo invoking the leprechauns and singing Sandinista songs, and still aged another year. What am I doing wrong?
pure – Cheer up! You are the monster matriarch! You make it happen and keep it alive. Shine on.
zeroangel,
You’re in a tizzy because 1 father let 1 child die from appendicitis, but you don’t care about the millions that have been killed by abortion?
Reagan on Socialized Medicine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYrlDlrLDSQ
RedPill:
Remind what is it that liberals do when they can’t answer a question?
Oh right! Dodge the question! Why are you acting like a liberal?
Nice work. I’m not the one in a tizzy. You can’t answer a simple question, but based on your replies so far, I am guessing you think it’s OK to let a child die of appendicitis, but only when it’s a religious question.
I usually leave the site for a few hours, pretending I am busy at something else, and hope the issue goes away.
Uh oh…here we go again. Zero puts Jesus in the crosshairs…
I THINK WE GET IT.
YOU DON’T BELIEVE.
SO BE IT.
zeroangel,
It’s fairly clear that you are a liberal who likes to Moby around here.
The government does not have a right to tell parents how to educate their own children.
The government does not have a right to tell parents what to feed their own children. (Or to tell a parent that they aren’t allowed to give food or water to their dependent child!)
The government does not have a right to tell parents how to provide medical care for their children.
The parent who lost their child because they refused medical care for their child must live with the consequences of their decision for the rest of their life. That is punishment in its own right.
You think the government has a right to put that parent in jail. I don’t.
You think the government should put that parent in jail. But if that same parent had killed that same child in the womb, you’d be totally cool with that? You’d defend their “right” to actively kill their child?
If anyone wants to talk about what Jesus would say or do, let’s look first at what he actually did say and do.
Try this for starters:
Those who can’t handle the truth,
try to silence those who speak it.
RedPill,
Couple questions:
1. Does the government have the right to stop female genital mutilation?
2. You say that the government does not have the right to tell parents what to feed their children. Okay. If that is the difference between McDonalds or Burger King. But what about purposely starving a child? Because that is the appropriate analogy to so called “faith healing.” That doesn’t mean choosing between different treatment options. You can believe faith healing works or doesn’t but in either case it is NOT medical.
jangar:
You want to chime in? We aren’t talking about Jesus, we are talking about people that let children die because they refuse to get medical care.
RedPill:
Then you weren’t paying attention when the death penalty or the war came up. I have never voted Democrat. Ever.
Glad I don’t live in your dream state. Seems you think it’s OK for people to starve their children or refuse them medical care.
…and the child doesn’t live.
So, what’s your take on honor killings?
BTW, the abortion issue is a dodge, nice try, again. See you tommorrow.
I’m with Chap and Zero on this one ITTRP…
Intentionally withholding life-saving medical care should be criminal, just as physical abuse is. I don’t like how much control government has over our children, but where the child’s life is lost due to parental neglect, they should be charged.
By ALL MEANS pray for the child and have faith, BUT get medical attention as well. Sheesh, this should be a no-brainer.
How can you Red Pill, argue for abortion to be illegal, but death by ‘faith healer’ be okey-dokey?
Chap, don’t belong to the state. It’s that simple. For every case of parents harming their child, there are 3 cases of foster care abuses.
And the federal “protection” system actually and literally pays a bounty to the state organizations when officers of those organizations remove children from their homes.
Left to their own devices, people will do a lot of things wrong, but they’ll do a lot more things right. Leave people alone, and let them raise their own kids.
I agree with you.
1) It’s not “death by ‘faith healer’”. The person responsible for the decision regarding medical care was the parent.
2) If the parent is going to be sent to jail for the death of the child, then be consistent and apply that standard to parents who actively choose to have their child killed in the womb.
3) Be cautious about allowing the government to mandate the health care decisions regarding your children. If the government mandates that your children get a swine flu shot, and you suspect the shot is more fatal than the disease, does the government have the authority to put you in jail for refusing to allow your children to be vaccinated?
Beware the high levels of Squalene being put in the vaccines. Do your own research on the “unintended consequences” of high levels of Squalene.
Red Pill – There’s a huge difference in refusing a non-tested vaccine that is as unsafe as the flu is, and refusing a life-saving procedure like an appendectomy which has stood the test of time and has a guarantee of death if you don’t get it
I understand the point you’re trying to make. I don’t agree that there is a moral equivalence. Two completely different scenarios.
Faith healers, virus deniers and ignorant parents…these are all isolated incidents and must not be categorized with honor killings and suicide bombers. 99.9% of parents love their children and do what they can to provide them proper care, and they’ve done it for thousands of years, long before government got the idea to socialize the concept.
I gotta go with chap and zero and stand on the side of common sense.
Ummm. Granted, each represents a very very small number, but I’ll bet dollars to doughnuts there are more people in the US that believe in faith healing than engage in honor killings. Every study I have seen places the number of children that die because of lack of medical care due to parent’s religious believfs at around 12-60 per year (wide variance, I know, but even the low end is disturbing).
The problem is that people blame religion instead of the parent. An average of 283 children under 5 die each year from accidental drowning, but people don’t get made fun of for having a pool, do they?
People who believe that faith can take the place of medicine are mentally ill and should be treated as such.
Hi, zero.
I’ve had a few glasses of wine, so any post of consequence would be of lgm quality. Otherwise, I would get involved.
Hope you, wife, and baby are doing well.
I still don’t have a job, but I’ve got four opportunities that look like sure hits. I recently sprang for Visual Studio 2008 Professional. Microsoft was running a special which allows purchase of the full version for the upgrade price – saving $250! They may still be running the special, so check it out.
[previous post formed last night, but just now sent]
Fair point. What I mean to say is that a parent’s religious beliefs should not absolve them, legally or otherwise, from their criminally negligent behavior.
I was going to say, man you start earlier than I do!
So what is your opinion? I use VS 2005 and so far, you’re the first person I know of that made the leap.
John:
RedPill might take issue with you there.
The question then becomes just how negligent do you have to be before you are considered mentally ill? Do you need to let your child die? What about leaving a serious non-life threatening ailment go untreated? How about a not so serious one? To what extent does religion absolve these things? I say not at all, but I’ll bet some might beg to differ.
Jet:
Hey man!
John, I’m not a good candidate to review the differences between 2005 and 2008. I’m just learning it. I only had a little bit of experience using 2005 at work. So far, I haven’t noticed anything that’s different other than Microsoft’s decision to drop J# support. They said there was not enough interest to carry it forward.
WASHINGTON (CNN) — President Obama and top aides have quietly stepped up talks with moderate Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine on a scaled-back health care bill, according to two sources familiar with the negotiations.
Sen. Olympia Snowe is part of the bipartisan so-called “Gang of Six” negotiating on health care.
The compromise plan would lack a government-run public health insurance option favored by Obama, but would leave the door open to adding that provision down the road under an idea proposed by Snowe, the sources said.
One of the sources said White House officials are “deep in conversations” with Snowe on a much smaller health care bill than Obama originally envisioned.
The modified proposal would include insurance reforms, such as preventing insurance companies from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, according to the source.
The potential deal would give insurance companies a defined period to make such changes in order to help cover more people and drive down long-term costs. But if those changes failed to occur within the defined period, a so-called “trigger” would provide for creating a public option to force change on the insurance companies, the source said.
Snowe is pivotal to the debate because she may be Obama’s last possibility for getting a Republican senator to support his push for a health care overhaul.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/02/health.care.compromise/
“Conversations are taking place on her safety-net fallback option as they have throughout the debate this year, as well as other approaches to make certain people have access to affordable options,” said Snowe’s spokesperson, Julia Wanzco. “The Senator has had an open line of communication with the White House over the course of the past few months, and looks forward to participating in tomorrow’s tele-conference call with the Gang of Six — as the Senator’s foremost goal remains to achieve bipartisan consensus among the six members of the group on a path forward for meaningful health care reform.”
All six of the Finance Committee negotiators – three Republicans and three Democrats – are expected to take part in a conference call scheduled for 90 minutes on Friday at 10:30am. While the lawmakers have been in their respective states during the August recess, staffers have reportedly been hard at work on the secretive compromise.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009/09/more-on-the-snowe-trigger.html
It was back in the Spring that Snowe first floated her idea to create a public health insurance option, but only trigger its creation if the private market does not meet benchmarks to extend coverage to all Americans. After a meeting at the White House in July, Snowe elaborated a bit on her vision for the trigger plan: “This option would be available from day one in any state where – after market and insurance reforms are implemented – affordable, competitive plans still do not exist. And finally, I told the President that we appreciate and are anxious for his support as we tackle one of the most difficult aspects of any major legislation – finding the means to pay for it.”
Thanks swede. The monster thread is still dead. Probably should start refering to it as the “Cannot Find Server” thread. Would be nice if someone would perform an autopsy.
Meanwhile, I’m in mourning. Kingfish says I should knock it off with the black crepe paper routine.
Nobody cares! Boo hoo!
Mr. Ed — the talking horse’s ass.
I believe Jesus would have just healed everyone. He never was on record for big government, and you don’t get points for being generous with other people’s money.