“I believe Jesus would vote yes for a public option”
MSNBC leftists are now injecting Jesus into the Obamacare debate.
What would Jesus do? Well, Ed Schultz thinks he knows – that is on health care reform at least.
Schultz, on his Sept. 2 MSNBC program, “The ED Show” told viewers he believed Jesus would vote for a government public option. That, he said, was to the dismay of some on religious right, or what he used the pejorative “Bible thumpers” to describe.
Where are Barry Lynn and the anti- “theocracy” crusaders now?
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You keep your faith, RedPill.
I’ll keep the penicillin.
I seriously doubt that
but I like to think He would cast the devils out of these bill(s) and cause them (the devils, that is) to infect the spending swine who are bankrupting the country.
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No reason you cannot have both faith and penicillin, Chap.
Where in the bible did Jesus ever tell his disciples to take their neighbors’ resources through taxation and then to use the collected taxes/confiscated resources to pay for Ceasar’s programs they liked but their neighbors thought would not work and would only make things worse? Can someone point me to the chapter and verse?
On September 3rd, 2009 at 11:38 am, TigerLady said:
Exactly.
Note that Barack Hussein Obama has never publicly confessed with his mouth, “Jesus is Lord.”
Saying “I am a Christian” does not make you a Christian.
Saying “Jesus Christ died for my sins” does not reveal whether or not you believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead.
Obama has never said the words “Jesus is Lord, and I believe God has raised Him from the dead.”
But…
The opening lines of that prayer, which Obama recited with a first-rate Arabic accent, are translated to English as:
Yet Obama has never said, “Jesus is Lord, and I believe God has raised Him from the dead.”
The confessions of Obama’s own mouth reveal him to be a Muslim, not a Christian.
Paraphrazing Jesus–Go, sell your possessions and give the proceeds to the poor…. He said “YOUR” not “YOUR NEIGHBORS’.”
I love how libs play the Jesus card when it’s convenient for them – just like during the elections when those stupid emails came out that Jesus was a community organizer and Pilate was a governor.
Be careful! There are posters here who are tired of all the Biblical quotations.
Guess they’re afraid they might have an encounter with Jesus on their personal road to Damascus.
Ummm. Exactly why do you need penicillin, chap?
I would be if I knew what that meant.
Just kidding. Didn’t he ride a donkey or something?
:sigh: Where’s monster thread when you need it?
The Damascus Road
Why were these two questions tough For Obama to answer?
Guys like Schultz love it when the literalist bible thumpers jump on the debate. They know that automatically wins them the argument with the people who might actually change their minds.
What guys like Schultz actually FEAR is the argument staying in the zone of reasoned discussion wherein his hypocrisy and his worship of the State becomes revealed in all of its squirming, maggot infested glory.
This may be the new monster thread if Word Press doesn’t raise the original from the dead.
I was supposed to index it when it hit 10,000. Oi !
Onward to post 1000000! Chappy did a fine job with the last one, let’s see if he can repeat.
Chapoutier:
Just kidding. Didn’t he ride a donkey or something?
I think you’re confusing the donkey with Balaam’s talking ass.
How did Barney Frank get in here?
Next, some lib will say that Jesus would have wanted to trade his clunker donkey for a hybrid so the government should pay him 4 K to do it!
I was trying to be polite
That would be a mule.
But I don’t want to lose the old thread. Way too much good material there.
No need. I happily admit ignorance of the Bible.
I would think that the Left would be embarassed to have to bring religion into any political debate,but then again nothing embarrasses the Left.
One has to have scruples to feel eembarassment.
Save our thread!
Did anyone actually watch the segment? I just did and it sounded like it was a pretty reasonable exchange between Schultz and his guest. More reasonable than you’d find on Hannity, in any case.
There are two problems with Shultz’s argument.
First, it was pure hypocrisy. The left tries to say that religion has no place in the debate. Then he went ahead and used “religion” in the debate.
Second, it wasn’t even an accurate use of “religion”. In fact, his claims are contrary to the Bible’s teachings. For example, to illustrate how the Second Greatest Commandment should work (love your neighbor as yourself) he used an example of health care: the parable of the Good Samaritan.
So in this parable, the Good Samaritan came across the robbery victim then rode as fast as he could to the local government office to call for help. No, wait, that’s not it. He took the victim to the closest government hospital for help. No, wait. That’s not it either. He took the guy to private care, then robbed other people to pay for the care. Wait, that’s still not it. He took up a collection? Nope. Not that either.
Here’s what Jesus said was the proper application of “Love your neighbor as yourself.” He had the Samaritan stop, take his own time to help the beaten man, including treating the wounds himself, taking him to where he could convalesce, taking care of him there for a period of time, then paying for the man’s additional care, plus a promise of more payment if necessary. In other words, Jesus had the Good Samaritan reach into his OWN pocket and spend his OWN time to help the victim. Jesus did NOT teach us to punt health care to “the government”, but that each one of US (that’s as individuals) are to step up to meet another’s needs.
That’s directly contrary to Schultz’s assertion about what Jesus would do.
Kevin – I join the others in wishing you and your buddies God speed in the sandbox. In addition – if you send me your mil adrress – I will send you and your buds a box or two of gatorade powder for hydration. Been sending it to my Marines for a few years now. Hit my blog link and drop a comment with it somewhere.
Mr. Schultz acknowledged Jesus, it’s a start.
RedPill … must you endlessly and shamelessly try to promote your blog in virtually every post you enter? It’s getting rather annoying.
Everyone.
I mention Chapoutier in my prayers.
I hope you all will, too.
Mock me if you want, Chappy.
Maybe because…
Wouldn’t Jesus just heal us all if he came back?
If he wants to say as a Christian I feel obligated to use the power of Caesar to make citizens pay for the health care of others then so be it.
darwiniacs like chappy think you shouldn’t use medicine unless you bow at the alter of his hairygod darwin, whom he thinks invented medicine…what a moron.
“Please don’t let him move in next door” doesn’t count.
Thank you, Tiger Lady. I haven’t been here that long, and I’ve tried to keep what I do out of these posts, so you also told me that I have succeeded in that, for which I also thank you.
You go, Red Pill! To heck with the “public option”, Jesus cuts to the chase and just heals the person. Yes!!!!
Certainly not. But to say that Jesus would oppose government health care is one thing. To say that Jesus would oppose ANY health care because “all you need is faith” as RedPill seemed to be claiming, is quite another.
Silly right4life. Darwin didn’t invent medicine. Our Lord and Savior Obama transported back in time and did it. Glory be to Him.
Stay safe KevinK. Support you 100%.
‘Talk’ more to us sometime, OK?
Always want to hear what our brave men/women are thinking.
And they always leave out that Judas was a community organizer that went into politics.
I wish you well too, Kevin K.
And don’t let me catch you in my neighborhood.
Hint Hint: I live a half mile from a rather large and well known place that rhymes with “Halter Mead”.
That’s right; don’t forget, Luke was also a physician.
He will, but most of the people who are clamoring for Universal health care won’t be around long enough to enjoy it.
Good point. Our loons can be as nutty as yours.
Good thing RedPill isn’t our President, eh?
Ya gotta love these frickin MSNBC nitwits. They are too stupid to even understand the word hypocrisy. Can you imagine Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh or any Repub for that matter stating that Jesus would want a certain piece of legislation passed??? Ha!!! There would be mass fainting at the MSM: “oh there go those religious fanatics again!!!!”
Really… REALLY… is it me, or are liberals really that totally, comprehensively, infinitely, mind-numbingly stupid??
“Where in the bible did Jesus ever tell his disciples to take their neighbors’ resources through taxation..”
Not only did Jesus never say such a thing so you won’t find it, He concerned himself very little with the politics and civic issues of His day. He is very clear that the critical matter is the inside of a person and when a person’s soul, spirit, insides, is rightly related to God, the other stuff takes care of itself. The left always wants to force itself on people which in the end may make things look good, but on the inside they are not good.
sbw, yep, they really are just that stupid.
“all you need is faith”
Pretty sure you’d find folks who feel that way also supported Obama. There is nothing particularly conservative nor right wing about the “name it and claim it faith” folks. Their theology does not automatically line them up with either side politically.
When you have folks who are dispensation pre-mil who thing the current nation of Israel is THE Israel as referred to in Bible prophecy, etc., yes those folks tend to fall on the right if only due to the protection of Israel as a nation that gets mixed into their politics.
But folks who are by faith claim your healing types, not necessarily right wing. I dare say some of the inner city black religious folks who are of the “name it and claim it” group theologically tend to be left wing Obama supporters.
I never claimed it did.
I’ve also heard liberals say “Jesus wouldn’t torture.” I heard a liberal caller on a talk show make that claim. The host asked her if God would be opposed to waterboarding if it resulted in preventing another 9-11 type terrorist attack and saved thousands of people from suffering horrible deaths. She answered by saying that God would condemn them. She believed that those who did the waterboarding and those who permitted it would all go to hell.
As an admitted Christian, how does she square such a belief with scripture? The Bible tells us that God sent his son as a sacrifice for sin, which resulted in Jesus being tortured to death to save others. This torture was much worse than waterboarding. “Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him” (Isaiah 53: 10).
If this woman is consistent in her beliefs, then she should condemn God to hell for sanctioning the torture of his son, even if it was done to save people. Like most liberals, she has her priorities out of wack. Preserving the most lives should be the highest priority.
Well said.
On September 3rd, 2009 at 2:46 pm, Bruce said:
I don’t link to promote my blog.
I link to save space here.
In other words, I’ve already written something substantial on the topic, and it’s much more efficient to just link to it than to recreate that content here.
If you don’t want to read what I’ve written, it’s much simpler to skip over a link than it is to skip over multiple paragraphs of text submitted here.
Take your pick.
Guys,
I met Jesus at the Home Depot today.
He was checking out lumber for his carpentry project.
I asked him about heated debate on Health care reforms.
He said he is for the “Single payer” universal coverage.
Just give all Americans the IDENTICAL coverage and the terms as the CONGRESS and the PRESIDENT have.
This should end the debate.
No guaranties, though, as most of the Liberals don’t have faith in him, and he has no control over their beliefs anymore.
Don’t shoot me. I am just a messenger.
I am simply paraphrasing what Jesus told me.
“Jesus wouldn’t torture.”
They operate from the “Jesus” they need to imagine Jesus is, not who the Bible says Jesus is.
God would not have to torture. He would already know what a person’s secrets are.
It is an absurd construct to imagine you know God would do this or that based on your politics unless a thing is clearly spelled out. Like adultery, taking innocent life, lying, etc.
When a person crosses over from what we know has been revealed to us in God’s Word to what we imagine God believes, would do, would say, etc., a person is treading on shaky ground.
When a person does such a thing it is not only an act of desperation, it is also an attempt to control the dialog and the opinion of others by using two strategies. The “Bring in an authority from the outside with whom you can’t argue with…” AND the “guilt strategy”.
Folks like Jim Wallis of Sojouners are Christian brothers and are well intentioned. I also would like the world and America to look like and treat people like Jim Wallis envisions. The problem is not the vision or the goal, the problem is the strategy. You will not get to a just and right world through liberalism and socialism. History is full of evidence that neither brings about the intentions of its early advocates not the intentions of many advocating it now. In fact the result is 180 degrees opposite and ends up being oppressive and coercive and destructive with less freedom and less liberty and less prosperity and less justice.
Nap time.
On September 3rd, 2009 at 2:53 pm, tmitsss said:
No, he didn’t heal everyone when he walked the Earth the first time.
Who didn’t he heal?
Those who didn’t have faith.
But he did heal everyone who had faith to be healed.
I don’t think he is. his ‘jesus’ is a communist revolutionary….
On September 3rd, 2009 at 3:06 pm, chapoutier said:
Please don’t use quotes around words I never said.
I have nothing against using health care, and have used it myself when necessary.
You act like I am against all forms of health care. I’m not.
Oh wow. One could only hope! Then I would be a proud daddy twice over.
Sorry I missed this thread guys. I see plenty of good derailment material here and certainly a heaping of the standard stock-hatred of atheists. Bravo! Do I need to get involved?
On September 3rd, 2009 at 4:20 pm, right4life said:
The very essence of “Liberation Theology” is the wolf of Marxism-Leninism dressed in sheeps clothing.
Then what exactly was the point of your string of Bible quotes saying people were healed by faith alone?
And how am I to take this?
Those times when you used health care, did you not have enough faith?
Chap:
RedPill thinks the Bible is magical. By quoting it he believes he is invoking the creator of the universe and that the words themselves will impart some kind of transcedent knowledge, namely that you are wrong because you are a liberal.
Have a blessed day.
…oh and any politician invoking the creator of the universe is being a d|ck.
RedPill:
Riiiiiiiiiiiiight… and those folks calling my house that start off with, “We are not in sales, you have won a free vacation” are not trying to sell me something.
Has anyone been to RedPill’s blog? I have. Wow.
zero - The poor persecuted atheist. You are utterly predictable, rude and rather tedious. Other than that I really like you dude.
Again, your crusade to enlighten us ignorant masses may be more effective sans the personal trash talk. But perhaps it’s just my intellectual inferiority. Shine on O enlightened one.
swede:
Text is sterile. This (which I think is what you are refering to):
…was a joke. I really didn’t see much hatred at all. One or two silly comments lumping atheists as liberals or vice-versa, but nothing terrible.
Political trash talk? Where? I was just mainly going after RedPill’s lunacy and I am not the only one in this thread. If conservatives ever want to be taken seriously again we need to jettison his ilk.
Have you ever been to his blog? That way madness be…
Swede:
…I like you too. Other than, you know, being rude, predictable, tedious and stupid.
*smile*
chapoutier wrote:
LOL! Think about whose words RedPill was quoting, and about how the word “alone” was never among them.
You really should take some time to read the world’s all-time bestseller, even if you never believe a word of it.
zeroangel wrote:
I was probably the first one in the thread to use the word “atheist”, but it was a compound word – “quasi-atheists”. I have no hatred of atheists per se. As implied by the term I used, I detest the atheists who hypocritically use religion as a way to fool people whom they perceive are weak-minded, presumably because said people follow a religion.
Maybe “crypto-atheist” is a better term.
At any rate, it’s not like I was hating on you, you’re upfront and honest about what you believe. I happen to think you’re wrong, just like you think I am, but that’s not hate.
angryoldfatman:
As mentioned above, I was teasing. I didn’t take your comment as an attack.
I detest more or less any politician who hypocritically uses people’s fears, beliefs, and passions to advance their agenda (be it a good or bad one). This basically means all politicans.
You said recently you are slightly right leaning left, yet didn’t vote for the guy that fits that scenario perfectly. That hardly makes you conservative, and someone who believes in God is no threat to conservatism. Truth is most conservatives are people of faith. Check the polls.
Cool. You posted that as I was typing out my comment. I’m slow (in so many ways lol).
This is definitely where we have some huge common ground.
I think RedPill nedds some defense here. RedPill did not advocate “Faith Healing,” he simply made a point to ponder.
That is: Ed Shultz, does not entirely understand the reasons Jesus healed people.
swede:
I don’t really think “conservative” fits me perfectly, that’s true. I don’t really like labels anyhow. I take things issue by issue. This polarized debate (your side vs. my side) is stupid IMHO and forces people into little boxes.
So? It doesn’t make it right for anyone (liberal, conservative, non-believer, or person of faith) to stand up on his government platform and invoke any deity. Good ideas don’t need help from Allah, Yahweh, or Vishnu (or others). Good ideas can stand on their own merit.
I can’t stand it when Muslims declare that, “god wants so and so” then I turn around and see our own politicians (from both sides) doing the same thing. It’s hypocritical and stupid.
The absolute height of arrogance is when someone tells another person what the most powerful being (god) in the universe wants us to do.
It’s about a million times worse when a politician does it.
RedPill is not only a d|ck for advocating hateful and stupid ideas that when Jesus comes back only the good Christians get healed and presumably everyone else gets to suffer (doesn’t sound like a very nice thing to do).
He is also a jerk for shamelessly and consistently promoting his own blog on this site. Not only does he do this with absolutely no remorse, when called on it, instead of apologizing and ceasing, his tries to justify it to himself and us.
OK, I am going, have at it guys! I might be on later!
PS. People that let their children die because they insist on ”faith healing” and don’t have the good sense to go to a doctor belong in jail. Is RedPill such a person? Probably not, but I am willing to bet he might say those people don’t belong in jail. Maybe he will clue us in otherwise?
Well, I didn’t see any doctor or medication or even leeches and a good old fashioned blood letting mentioned in those passages. If I am missing something, please point it out.
I have not and WILL not – based on what he normally writes here. Despite his claim, he absolutely DOES promote his blog here on Michelle’s, which in my opinion (as a blogger also) is in extremely poor taste. saying he only provides “links” to his writing is at best dishonest.
I suspect in the dark ages
ambulancewagon chasers like yourself would have done quite well. Tort Reformation!Whoooaa .. deja vu! LOL!
I read RedPill’s posts on this thread and NOWHERE does he advocate “faith healing,” so why are you all acting like he does?
As for his blog, its not so bad. Better than all the profanity at huffpo.
My only beef with RedPill was the birther thing, which he has largely backed off from. I don’t see the problem with the blog link. I just don’t click it. Like everyone else here, I appreciate his contribution. When I dissagree I tell him so and move on.
I might also mention – with props to zeroangel – that one of the main reasons the conservatives have difficult with credibility is because of the ranting of Christian Fundamentalists like RP. My opinion is that the ranting of those like him are just as poisonous to the conservative agenda as those of avowed racists, skinheads, etc, who the left have tried for years to associate with us.
He and others who think like him are entitled to their views, but trying to make their thinking the driving force behind the conservative party banner is counter-productive. We are NOT a single agenda party. I left my state conservative party because their entire agenda was anti-abortion. I happen to believe abortion on demand is wrong, but under certain circumstances I believe it is advisable.
Ah! but who’s the “Single payer”?
I think Paul gives us the answer: this is universal life care you can trust.
“I don’t think he is. his ‘jesus’ is a communist revolutionary….”
Jim Wallis thinks Jesus is a communist revolutionary? You’ll have do show me that one.
Jesus is a revolutionary. The Kingdom of God Jesus describes I guess could be compared to what Marx was hoping the world would become. Of course folks like Marx fail to account for sin, sinfulness of man, the need for redemption, the reality of evil, etc., in the world.
But to say because what Jim Wallis sees in terms of the core of Jesus message and the Kingdom of God means Jim Wallis believes Jesus is a communist revolutionary is a bit of a leap.
Jim Wallis’s politics are wrong. No doubt. But I am not ready to say Jim Wallis believes that Jesus is anything close to a communist revolutionary.
Tort Reformation!
AMEN!
zero,
I am really hurt and offended that you are prostituting yourself on this rogue thread with no loyalty whatsoever to the monster thread that made you who you are.
BTW I’m not telling anyone else what to believe; I can only tell you what I believe, based on a lifetime of experience and careful observation of the alternative.
Paul also wrote (and this is from memory), I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I’ve committed unto Him against that day. (I guess the old memory isn’t half bad after all…)
Bruce – What party are you referring to? There is no conservative party at this point, which is precisely the problem. Most true conservatives, like Pasadena Phil and myself are no longer affiliated with the Republican party, for that very reason. That most conservatives are also Christians is simply reality. True conservative values are Judaoeo Christian values. Sorry. Well, no I’m not.
pure
The lost monster threaders, pilgrims in a strange land with no place to rest their heads.
“make their thinking the driving force behind the conservative party”
Well good for you bruce. You just be the bigot your “their” implies and feel all moderate and open minded about it.
Conservativism has its roots and foundation in a Biblical world view. A Biblical world view that is shared by Conservative Evangelicals and Conservative Christian non-evangelicals such as Catholics. That Biblical world view looks like this in our founding documents…
All men are CREATED equally….
God is the source of our freedom and the only thing government can do is take some of that freedom away. We willingly give up some of that freedom for the good of our country BUT the only way to manage the reality that government takes away freedom is to keep government as small as it can be. ALL of that flows from a belief system as noted that is “conservative” in nature and is rock solidly focused on and stands on a Biblical world view.
You can’t separate the two matters bruce. When you remove the one, the conservative Christian view of God and our existence, your replace it with a truth on which liberalism is based.
But hey, good for you. I’m sure everyone who cares about you is so proud you followed your moderate open minded value system and left the party that is against abortion TOO much and decided to be for abortion just a little bit.
CREATED equally….
No, it is not equally… My bad.
“WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF-EVIDENT, THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, THAT THEY ARE ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS, THAT AMONG THESE ARE LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.”
zeroangel, in this particular point I am in your corner; I have known a great many people who choose not to believe in God, yet are committed to what most of us would recognize as conservative issues (sorry, best label I can muster right now – I don’t much like labels either).
Conversely, I know just as many people of faith, committed Christians, who either haven’t taken the time to look more closely at the issues (intellectual laziness IMHO) or honestly see Jesus as a liberal savior a la Schultz (sp?).
People of good will can and do have differing opinions. That doesn’t mean we have to tear each other apart in the process of discussing them.
And that’s not an indictment of anyone here, just so we’re clear. I rather enjoy the give and take that goes on here (most of the time).
Dinner’s on, so I have to go.
Peace to you all.
Uh…guys? Shouldn’t you already know what Jesus thinks of the public option? Or did Dubya’s connection get lost when he left office? Isn’t Michelle Bachmann in frequent contact with the Christ, re: all future political endeavors? So, why even bother with the Bible. Just ask someone who talks to the guy and find out.
Not exactly. There is a thing called “Natural Law” in which most non-religious conservatives put a great deal of stock, and which the modern faux liberals who have perverted the meaning of the word often hate even more than Christianity (though 200 years ago adhering to the philosophy of Natural Law was exactly what being a ‘liberal’ meant).
It’s true that our perception of what Natural Law is has been largely guided by and developed from Christian philosophy, but that does not mean it is Christian or that we must be Christians. Game Theory also informs Natural Law.
Well said. Per Rep Thaddeus McCotter, there are five basic conservative tenets:
Works for me.
why don’t you ask your savior Obama, who is, God’s partner??? hmmmmm??
given his radical marxist/communist ideology…yes, absolutely…otherwise he wouldn’t believe the drivel and lunacy that he does.
not a chance…you should try reading the bible sometimes…
the kingdom of God will be a theocracy…not a hellish ‘people’s paradise’
What on earth is wrong with the site?
Monster thread is gone and this one shows 798,809 responses… with a selection for ‘older comments’…
Did Monster Thread break MM’s site??? Yikes if it did.
It’s all Joy’ fault due to the shameless self promoting of her excellent photographic work!
I call for beheadings!
We didn’t mean to break your site MM!!
Oh dear, oh dear…