Left-wing eco-terrorists celebrate radio tower sabotage

By Michelle Malkin  •  September 8, 2009 02:05 PM

Since my days at the Seattle Times, I’ve tracked the increasingly destructive crimes of the Earth Liberation Front and Animal Liberation Front.

The left-wingers in the media who are so concerned with domestic terrorism conveniently omit the arsons, threats, sabotage, and violent campaigns waged by anarchic saviors of the planet.

Which is why you didn’t hear much about this last week:

A piece of heavy equipment was used to topple two towers for Everett radio station KRKO, and the national Earth Liberation Front says their members are responsible.

But an FBI spokesman now says it appears that only one person was responsible for knocking down the towers.

And a neighbor who chased that man away from the scene with a shotgun through the predawn darkness says he saw the suspect escape down a riverbank of the nearby Snohomish River.

As the new information came in about the circumstances surrounding the tower toppling incident, the ELF continued to take responsibility for the destruction.

“Due to the health and environmental risks associated with radio waves emitted from the towers, we applaud this act by the ELF,” Jason Crawford, a spokesman for the North American ELF Press Office, said in a prepared statement…

…Crawford confirmed Friday morning that the destruction was the work of the ELF.

He said there is evidence that AM radio waves cause adverse health affects including a higher rate of cancer, harm to wildlife, and that the signals have been interfering with home phone and intercom lines.

KRKO’s additions to its existing towers in Snohomish were completed in February, allowing the station to boost its AM signal to where it could compete with larger broadcasters in the Seattle-Tacoma area. That’s when the complaints from neighbors over telephone interference began.

The Skotdal family also plans to build two 199-foot towers at the same site for a new 5,000-watt AM station that would cover Snohomish County on another frequency.

A hearing examiner denied a permit for the towers, based on claims that radio signals could be dangerous to humans. But the council voted to reverse the finding, saying it was based on shaky scientific evidence.

A King County judge upheld the council’s decision on Aug. 14.

FBI 2008: Eco-Terrorism Remains No. 1 Domestic Terror Threat

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  1. #1
    On September 8th, 2009 at 2:13 pm, spaceycakes said:

    health and environmental risks associated with radio waves emitted from the towers

    oh, why can’t you just wear a tinfoil hat like the rest of your ilk??!

  2. #2
    On September 8th, 2009 at 2:16 pm, Flyoverman said:

    General Jack Ripper would be proud of these patriots.

  3. #3
    On September 8th, 2009 at 2:23 pm, et said:

    I’m an amateur radio station owner. So I guess I’m a target too.

  4. #4
    On September 8th, 2009 at 2:23 pm, John Deaux said:

    But, it’s okay to be an activist with an interest in your community.

  5. #5
    On September 8th, 2009 at 2:31 pm, J S Ragman said:

    …Crawford confirmed Friday morning that the destruction was the work of the ELF.

    1. Have all officers of this organization report to the state prison in Walla Walla to begin serving their terms.

    2. Rebuild the towers, at their expense.

    3. Repeat, as necessary, until the destruction stops.

  6. #6
    On September 8th, 2009 at 2:45 pm, RedDog said:

    Why in my home state? Why could California not have kept these kooks and their parents on their meds and behind high razor wire fences back in Cali? Washington and Oregon could have been spared a lot of trouble.

  7. #7
    On September 8th, 2009 at 2:46 pm, purealchemy said:

    Hey, John Deaux,left you my email on the end of that other U.N. thread.

  8. #8
    On September 8th, 2009 at 3:04 pm, Roland said:

    Washington and Oregon could have been spared a lot of trouble.

    Unlikely. I think you’ll discover most of the nuts up there are home grown.

    My leftist relatives in Washington regularly whine about all of the ‘right wing kooks’ who have fled to up there due to the growing immigrant population in California (a rational move since the discrimination against non-hispanic whites is far more damaging to its victims as the ‘minority’ population grows …. everywhere you go you bump up against de facto quotas shutting out or stalling the advance of working and middle class ‘anglos’ until the ‘minorities’ are the overwhelming majority, at which point they just plain discriminate in favor of other ‘minorities’ like themselves).

  9. #9
    On September 8th, 2009 at 3:08 pm, Wayfaring Stranger said:

    On September 8th, 2009 at 2:23 pm, et said:

    I’m an amateur radio station owner. So I guess I’m a target too.

    Amateur as in ham radio?

  10. #10
    On September 8th, 2009 at 3:16 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    I guess that speaks well for what would happen if these immature clowns actually got their way. They obviously place great importance in democratic solutions.

    They should talk to ACORN, LaRaza and the unions about the importance of public opinion.

  11. #11
    On September 8th, 2009 at 3:17 pm, tiredofit08 said:

    On September 8th, 2009 at 2:23 pm, et said:

    I’m an amateur radio station owner. So I guess I’m a target too.

    not immediately but wait they’ll eventually get to ya….

  12. #12
    On September 8th, 2009 at 3:21 pm, Hangfire said:

    Don’t these idiots realize that “ELF” is the abbreviation for Extremely Low Frequency?

    National Command Authority and the Submarine Force use ELF transmissions daily. It’s the opposite end of the spectrum from UHF.

    Can’t they think of a better acronym, such as DAFT?
    Dolts Against Fixed Transmitters

  13. #13
    On September 8th, 2009 at 3:25 pm, dan708 said:

    These sound like the same sort of folks who are terrified of satellite dishes and microwave ovens :-)

  14. #14
    On September 8th, 2009 at 3:36 pm, judybeth said:

    Jason Crawford, of the ELF, is a criminal who heads an organization with a goal of destroying property and progress he deams detrimental to the Eco-Zealots (Nat’l Wildlife Fed members) goals. Those goals involve stopping settlements, farming, ranching, so as to eventually create a “natural migration corridor that extends from Western Mexico (some even say as far south as western South America)! These groups have been and are involved in blocking the building of the security Border Fence! Domestic terrorists (Eco-Zealots)have been sabbotaging gas and oil pipelines, cutting off water supplies, registering “endangered species” on oil and gas rich lands to stop developments, while using massive media campaigns (school curricula, science journals, enviro-magazines, etc. to garner support from impressionable children, youth, college students (recruitment havens)for eco-zealot professors. Unfortunately, the eco-zealots are not confined only to the USA. The International Wildlife Fed tactics are just that – all over the World! Will our Dept of Interior do anything?? If you are brave, contact them. If you are determined, call your Congressmen and demand criminal charges be brought against Crawford and check out all of the inter-connected so-called environmentalist groups and their funding. Take this advice from someone who knows! We are busy with the Health Bill and the Cap & Trade. Please do not miss how these issues are related! They are! jb

  15. #15
    On September 8th, 2009 at 3:38 pm, John Deaux said:

    On September 8th, 2009 at 2:46 pm, purealchemy said:
    Hey, John Deaux,left you my email on the end of that other U.N. thread.

    I sent you a message earlier today, did you get it?

  16. #16
    On September 8th, 2009 at 3:38 pm, tre said:

    He said there is evidence that AM radio waves cause adverse health affects including a higher rate of cancer, harm to wildlife we just don’t like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, et.al.

    That’s what they meant to say.

  17. #17
    On September 8th, 2009 at 4:07 pm, RedDog said:

    On September 8th, 2009 at 3:04 pm, Roland said:
    Washington and Oregon could have been spared a lot of trouble.
    Unlikely. I think you’ll discover most of the nuts up there are home grown.

    Now… yes. But that’s why I mentioned their parents. There was a big migration of kooks in the 70s and 80s. Washington was always a Democrat state but never Marxist.

  18. #18
    On September 8th, 2009 at 4:16 pm, theloneranger said:

    Too bad the neighbor didn’t actually shoot the shotgun a few times.

  19. #19
    On September 8th, 2009 at 4:21 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Phoenix had our little ELF-Mountain Preserve Arsonist Mark Warren Sands. The cartoon character admitted to the fires, bragged to his friends about it, plead guilty and the Earth Liberation League both claims he was framed and is a hero/martyr.The punk cut a plea deal and got 5 years-for burning eight houses.

    ELF, Earth First and the others claim they are at war and we are the enemy; works for me. A Lefty is a Lefty.

    Dolts Against Fixed Transmitters are considered vermin-no closed season, no bag limit ;)

  20. #20
    On September 8th, 2009 at 4:46 pm, publiuswarmac9999 said:

    These ELFers are religious fanatics not unlike the Islamic religious fanatics. Anything is acceptable as long as it serves the ends regardless of whether the ends are 72 virgins or 72 freed rats.

  21. #21
    On September 8th, 2009 at 5:05 pm, Chief RZ said:

    Domestic terrorists. Lone bomber? Prosecute.

  22. #22
    On September 8th, 2009 at 5:23 pm, purealchemy said:

    On September 8th, 2009 at 3:38 pm, John Deaux said:
    On September 8th, 2009 at 2:46 pm, purealchemy said:
    Hey, John Deaux,left you my email on the end of that other U.N. thread.
    I sent you a message earlier today, did you get it?

    No, I didn’t.
    Try checking the spelling. Prairie is easy to misspell.

  23. #23
    On September 8th, 2009 at 5:30 pm, SpeakEasy said:

    I think hunters should adopt a new policy: for every act of eco-terrorism, kill and eat another animal. Oh, and send a picture of the dead carcass to PETA attributing the kill to their actions (or their friends). Actions have consequences. At least we do it for a reason (food). And our version is legal.

  24. #24
    On September 8th, 2009 at 5:37 pm, zyzzyg said:

    Vandalism in all forms, and done for any reason, is a bad thing.

    **

    Support the Troops. Enlist.

  25. #25
    On September 8th, 2009 at 5:41 pm, SPCOlympics said:

    On September 8th, 2009 at 2:23 pm, et said:

    I’m an amateur radio station owner. So I guess I’m a target too.

    Run full legal power and remove the tower grounding…

    In the morning you can sweep up the pile of ashes.

  26. #26
    On September 8th, 2009 at 5:54 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Run full legal power and remove the tower grounding…

    In the morning you can sweep up the pile of ashes.

    Electronic Dobermans-very nice.

    —OT
    There is a contest on Drudge-Two pictures of Nancy Pelosi and one of Michael Moore.

    Stare at all three simultaneously and see how long you can stay standing.

  27. #27
    On September 8th, 2009 at 6:17 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    Back in the 50′s, one home owner close to KDKA’s 50,000 watt tower could hear the station in his bathroom sink. Reportedly, another person could sometimes hear it inside of his mouth coming from his dental bridge.

    Healthwise though, holding a cell phone right to your head likely presents a much higher wattage per area radiation exposure than any radio station tower even only 100 feet away, (unless you do something stupid like climb up one).

  28. #28
    On September 8th, 2009 at 6:19 pm, PKAmmoTroop said:

    Michael Crichton was right, the number one danger to the environment is environmentalists.

    And I’m an amateur also. To paraphrase Charlton Heston:

    You can have my RF transmitter when you pry my fingers from your cold dead throat.

  29. #29
    On September 8th, 2009 at 7:08 pm, Teddy Kennedy said:

    Errah they should follow the wooden bicycle tracks back to their Kazinsky palaces and hang the SOB’s with 100% pure hemp ropes!

  30. #30
    On September 8th, 2009 at 7:14 pm, mattm said:

    And how do radio waves harm the animals? Please tell me. If the AM transmitter, hmmm talk radio is on AM, was really causing issues wiht phones that is what the FCC is supposed to enforece. Bring it to them.

    You don’t see Consertatives doing ths stuff, only the so called “peaceful non-violent” types who burn down houses, etc. in the name of the enviroment.

  31. #31
    On September 8th, 2009 at 7:28 pm, greenLibertarian said:

    Until I see unbiased evidence, or at least evidence from multiple unconnected scientific sources, that the AM waves are relatively harmful, i.e. significantly increase the risk of EM wave health problems that exists from other sources, I don’t condone this action.

    But I try to understand the mindset of the eco activists – who are distressed by the multiple threats to our life support system – the environment, and may have knee-jerked on this issue. After all, many of you on this site knee-jerk negatively to any efforts regarding conservation or environment protection – even if they are win-win and clearly beneficial. This seems to be the conservative version of political correctness.

  32. #32
    On September 8th, 2009 at 7:45 pm, TigerLady said:

    Until I see unbiased evidence, or at least evidence from multiple unconnected scientific sources, that the AM waves are relatively harmful, i.e. significantly increase the risk of EM wave health problems that exists from other sources, I don’t condone this action.

    I don’t condone it either way. There is nothing that gives someone the right to vandalize and destroy someone else’s property.

  33. #33
    On September 8th, 2009 at 7:47 pm, greenLibertarian said:

    Oh really, TigerLady? How about if I own a dangerous pitbull, or use toxic chemicals in my backyard, and you are my neighbor? I think you would the right to eliminate the danger.

  34. #34
    On September 8th, 2009 at 7:48 pm, TigerLady said:

    I think you would the right to eliminate the danger.

    Huh?

  35. #35
    On September 8th, 2009 at 7:49 pm, TigerLady said:

    If you’re trying to make the argument that I would have a right to take the law into my own hands you’ve failed. I would go through the channels that the law provides.

  36. #36
    On September 8th, 2009 at 7:53 pm, greenLibertarian said:

    OK, that kind of thinking may put you and your family at serious risk, to each their own. Love Canal, PG&E / Erin Brockovich?

  37. #37
    On September 8th, 2009 at 7:59 pm, Socky said:

    Erin Brockovich?

    People who reference Hollywood films featuring women who look like cheap table dancers always impress me as intellectual heavyweights.

    Another “I’m a libertarian except when it comes to my personal bailiwick, in which case, I’m totally for using state power to usurp other people’s rights” poseur. Yawn.

  38. #38
    On September 8th, 2009 at 8:03 pm, greenLibertarian said:

    Where did I miss the right to poison or harm my neighbor in the Consitution?

    The environment is a shared resource, it cannot be damaged without affecting all of us – unless you create an disaster-proof hermetic and Em seal above and below ground around your property.

    Yawning beats using your mind fully, yeah?

  39. #39
    On September 8th, 2009 at 8:11 pm, twofoot said:

    After all, many of you on this site knee-jerk negatively to any efforts regarding conservation or environment protection – even if they are win-win and clearly beneficial. This seems to be the conservative version of political correctness.

    When people on this site start tearing down the towers of Scare America, when the people on this site start burning down the houses of treasonous members of congress and the courts, when the members of this site start hunting down union leadership, then you will have a leg to stand on.

    As for “understanding” the mindset of terrorist swine, sorry, don’t care. Being “distressed” does not give you the right to destroy private property. Although it can-and should-lead to a lesson in the Second Amendment rights of Americans to defend themselves and their property.

  40. #40
    On September 8th, 2009 at 8:12 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Left-wing nitwits: Just doing the jobs that illegal immigrants won’t do!

  41. #41
    On September 8th, 2009 at 8:14 pm, TigerLady said:

    And they wonder why we call them wackos.

  42. #42
    On September 8th, 2009 at 8:15 pm, right4life said:

    On September 8th, 2009 at 8:03 pm, greenLibertarian said

    green on the outside, red as hell on the inside…typical fascist stooge.

  43. #43
    On September 8th, 2009 at 8:16 pm, greenLibertarian said:

    Stereotyping is what the Left is most guilty of, a shame to see it here. I am not left-wing, I only have a common-sense desire to protect our life support system, the environment, and my health and life.

    What was the Boston Tea party, was it not destruction of the property of others because of distress over the state of the colonies?

  44. #44
    On September 8th, 2009 at 8:17 pm, John Deaux said:

    pure,

    I spelled it correctly. (Cut and paste)

    Try me at johndeaux08 (at) gmail (dot) com

  45. #45
    On September 8th, 2009 at 8:21 pm, right4life said:

    On September 8th, 2009 at 8:16 pm, greenLibertarian said

    gee lets take this to the next level…what if you think my politics and beliefs are a THREAT to your family or way of life???

    what then??? hmmmmm??

  46. #46
    On September 8th, 2009 at 8:27 pm, greenLibertarian said:

    I am not doing that, r4l, only physical harm is the issue. Putting words into my mouth is not a very strong argument.

    And I have yet to see any substantive rebuttal to the points I made. It’s a shame many of you don’t appreciate the efforts of those who fought to protect you from many sources of physical harm – from dangerous industrial chemicals of various kinds, lead poisoning, mercury poisoning, … Any of you who think those are not harmful are welcome to imbibe of them and then tell us how it went.

  47. #47
    On September 8th, 2009 at 8:28 pm, Republicanvet said:

    I suppose someone has posted a similar comment but,

    Gee, I thought it was the right wing that were the terrorists.

    …and the ones who bite off fingers.

    Napolitano is worried about returning veterans, but not a peep from that old bag about this.

  48. #48
    On September 8th, 2009 at 8:31 pm, right4life said:

    On September 8th, 2009 at 8:27 pm, greenLibertarian said:
    I am not doing that, r4l, only physical harm is the issue. Putting words into my mouth is not a very strong argument.

    oh please, its a small step from destroying property to attacking people….and we’ve seen the leftist playbook before…those who disagree are ‘enemeies of the people’ and deserve to be ‘reeducated’ or killed…for the good of the ‘people’

    It’s a shame many of you don’t appreciate the efforts of those who fought to protect you from many sources of physical harm – from dangerous industrial chemicals of various kinds, lead poisoning, mercury poisoning, … Any of you who think those are not harmful are welcome to imbibe of them and then tell us how it went.

    oh yes how would we survive without you do-gooder liberals to protect us? us po dumb people are just too stupid to take care of ourselves…and we need a good liberal massa to watch over us…right…

    your arguments are idiotic. you have no right, except in your own sick little mind, to go destroying property, because you think its harming you. if you don’t like where you are at…sue them, or move….otherwise you’re just another little fascist.

  49. #49
    On September 8th, 2009 at 8:32 pm, TigerLady said:

    And I have yet to see any substantive rebuttal to the points I made.

    What would be the point?

    And by the way, I don’t need you to look after my well being.

  50. #50
    On September 8th, 2009 at 8:34 pm, right4life said:

    oh and uh REDlibertarian…where do you get the ‘right’ to think you can go destroy someone else’s property because you think its harming you?

    its not in the constitution…it sure isn’t a libertarian doctrine…its not in the Bible…let me guess…its in ‘rules for radicals’ by your hero Alinsky!

  51. #51
    On September 8th, 2009 at 8:36 pm, John Deaux said:

    I think there’s a serious difference between Love Canal and most of the things environmentalists are complaining about today. Their struggle to remain relevant has caused unnecessary alarmism in place of informed concern.

  52. #52
    On September 8th, 2009 at 8:46 pm, greenLibertarian said:

    Thanks, JD, that is a reasonable argument. That is why I stated I don’t condone what was done to the towers – given that there may be no evidence that the towers increased EM radiation risk to significant levels. And I agree that knee-jerk environmentalists can harm their cause – which is why I refrain from doing that. I only said that environmentalists, like all of us, may be susceptible to propaganda and misinformation, and given the amount of real and imagined environmental risks they have been exposed to I can understand the extreme behavior.

  53. #53
    On September 8th, 2009 at 8:49 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On September 8th, 2009 at 2:31 pm, J S Ragman said:

    Crawford confirmed Friday morning that the destruction was the work of the ELF.

    1. Have all officers of this organization report to the state prison in Walla Walla to begin serving their terms.

    This nutball should be held as a material witness until he coughs up the names of the other lunatics involved.

    It’s obvious he is in contact with some of them.

    …then 2 and 3.

    Yet we have cops more concerned over a picture on a protest sign.

  54. #54
    On September 8th, 2009 at 9:20 pm, right4life said:

    On September 8th, 2009 at 8:46 pm, greenLibertarian said

    yeah bet you think its our fault that 9/11 happened too…wacko.

  55. #55
    On September 8th, 2009 at 9:20 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On September 8th, 2009 at 8:03 pm, greenLibertarian said:

    The environment is a shared resource,

    Shared only in the sense that everyone else comply with whatever some eco-wacko wants.

    You mentioned knee-jerk responses earlier. Most of the enviro-wacko causes in the past 30 years have been knee-jerk responses by them to some issue.

    Building a fence along the southern border is one example. Rather than build the fence, enviro-wackos are oh-so-concerned about some environmental damage due to building the fence.

    You never consider the amount of trash and damage done to the environment by thousands of Mexicans wandering over the land day after day, year after year.

    Nuclear energy is another example. Rather than building nuclear plants to provide energy, you would rather people put up with brown and blackouts. You would rather whine about coal or natural gas fired electric plants and continuously put more demands on them causing people to pay more for what they receive.

    Leftists whine about joining the other industrialized nations when it comes to passing socialized health care, yet ignore those same nations who have a much higher nuclear energy production than we have.

    If you were not so contradictory in so many areas, perhaps more than a few brain-washed morons would see your point of view.

  56. #56
    On September 8th, 2009 at 9:28 pm, Republicanvet said:

    On September 8th, 2009 at 8:46 pm, greenLibertarian said:

    I only said that environmentalists, like all of us, may be susceptible to propaganda and misinformation, and given the amount of real and imagined environmental risks they have been exposed to I can understand the extreme behavior.

    So imagined risks gives one right to extreme behavior?

    What is unfortunate for the rest of us is the disproportionate number of people with your views who are “susceptible to propaganda and misinformation”.

  57. #57
    On September 8th, 2009 at 9:51 pm, travlinman said:

    On September 8th, 2009 at 8:11 pm, twofoot said:

    After all, many of you on this site knee-jerk negatively to any efforts regarding conservation or environment protection – even if they are win-win and clearly beneficial. This seems to be the conservative version of political correctness.

    When people on this site start tearing down the towers of Scare America, when the people on this site start burning down the houses of treasonous members of congress and the courts, when the members of this site start hunting down union leadership, then you will have a leg to stand on.

    As for “understanding” the mindset of terrorist swine, sorry, don’t care. Being “distressed” does not give you the right to destroy private property. Although it can-and should-lead to a lesson in the Second Amendment rights of Americans to defend themselves and their property.

    Amen to your reply twofoot! Best thing I have read or even heard all day.

  58. #58
    On September 8th, 2009 at 10:28 pm, HotWeaver said:

    What is ELF’s scientific opinion of the electromagnetic effects of lightning? Has ELF taken action to stop lightning?

  59. #59
    On September 8th, 2009 at 11:34 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Does ELF realize how much radiation the sun emits on a daily basis! I suggest that every single member of ELF immediately travel to the sun and begin efforts to extinguish it! This would help with “man-made global warming” and the radiation that the sun emits.

    Don’t wait. All those furry little bunnies are counting on you!

    Now I realize this could be dangerous so I suggest that ELF takes their trip to the sun at night…

  60. #60
    On September 8th, 2009 at 11:39 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Of course, the difference is, greenLibertarian, is that when I am misinformed I don’t go around blowing up other people’s property, engaging in arson, vandalism or mayhem. I write my local government and protest peacefully.

    The fact that these nitwits are too stupid to sort out the facts from the propaganda, which they create and spread for the most part, is THEIR problem and in no way justifies criminal acts. Being stupid is not a valid legal defense…

    On September 8th, 2009 at 8:46 pm, greenLibertarian said:

    I only said that environmentalists, like all of us, may be susceptible to propaganda and misinformation, and given the amount of real and imagined environmental risks they have been exposed to I can understand the extreme behavior.

  61. #61
    On September 8th, 2009 at 11:49 pm, Azygos said:

    Another amateur here also. Wonder how much energy and pollution will be generated in the manufacture, transport and construction of new towers?

  62. #62
    On September 9th, 2009 at 12:57 am, forest said:

    A hearing examiner denied a permit for the towers, based on claims that radio signals could be dangerous to humans. But the council voted to reverse the finding, saying it was based on shaky scientific evidence.

    I thought the Telecom Act of 1996 took care of the tinfoil hatters.

  63. #63
    On September 9th, 2009 at 1:07 am, tbear44 said:

    Eco-idiots might be more appropriate.

  64. #64
    On September 9th, 2009 at 10:08 am, longbow said:

    So, I guess the envirowackos’ next targets will be the horrible wind farms with windmill blades that kill hundreds of thousands or even millions of birds a year, and blot the landscape like a nightmarish rendition of giant ugly viruses? And that suck up taxpayer money like monster Hoovers while supplying only a minuscule amount of energy?

  65. #65
    On September 9th, 2009 at 11:17 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    longbow said:

    :) Screw the birds and bats, we have to save the planet! (unless it’s off the coast of Cape Cod of course)

  66. #66
    On September 9th, 2009 at 11:34 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    OH! And hey there Mr. GreenLib, many windmill farms have to be built in remote areas where the wind is greatest so that means LONG POWER TRANSMISSION LINES.

    Do these eco-nitwits have ANY idea of how many orders of magnitude the loss radiated from lines carrying megawatts of AC electrical power is greater than the output from a small AM radio station?

    So forget the birds – why doesn’t ELF vandalize the wind farms for their generation of EM ‘pollution’? HMMM?

  67. #67
    On September 9th, 2009 at 11:48 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    greenLibertarian said:

    Oh really, TigerLady? How about if I own a dangerous pitbull, or use toxic chemicals in my backyard, and you are my neighbor? I think you would the right to eliminate the danger.

    No.. You don’t have that right. This is not a immediate threat like someone sticking a gun in your face.

    What you have the right to do lodge a complaint in our legal system.

    What these people do and what this guy says…

    “Due to the health and environmental risks associated with radio waves emitted from the towers, we applaud this act by the ELF,” Jason Crawford, a spokesman for the North American ELF Press Office

    …makes them both Terrorists.

  68. #68
    On September 9th, 2009 at 12:14 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    Somebody check my math – Say 50,000 watts but treated as a point source. Standing 100 feet=1200 inches away, 4(pi)r^2, 50000 / 18095573 = .028 watts per square inch.

    Human silhouette area (rough calc) = 1000in^2 * .028 = 28 watts (assuming it is all absorbed which it is NOT because the lower the frequency the more EMR just passes right through you). I weigh 80 kg so 28/80= .35 watts per kg.

    Cell phones are measured for the same affect and look, Drudge just posted an article for me! The maximum allowed is 1.6 watts per kg – over 4 times the maximum I could receive standing 100 feet away from a 50KW station, (and the one these nitwits tore down is only 5KW).

    And what about those radio transmitter collars they attach to wild animals to track migration? That just plain torture! HORRORS!

  69. #69
    On September 11th, 2009 at 9:20 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    longbow said:

    So, I guess the envirowackos’ next targets will be the horrible wind farms with windmill blades that kill hundreds of thousands or even millions of birds a year, …

    Well looky here!

    On Aug. 13, ExxonMobil pleaded guilty in federal court to killing 85 birds that had come into contact with crude oil or other pollutants …..federal officials have brought hundreds of similar cases against energy companies….

    Yet there is one group of energy producers that are not being prosecuted for killing birds: wind-power companies. And wind-powered turbines are killing a vast number of birds every year.

    A July 2008 study of the wind farm at Altamont Pass, Calif., estimated that its turbines kill an average of 80 golden eagles per year. The study, funded by the Alameda County Community Development Agency, also estimated that about 10,000 birds—nearly all protected by the migratory bird act—are being whacked every year at Altamont.

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