IBD poll: 45% of doctors would consider quitting under Obamacare
Here’s a glimpse of the grim future under Obamacare. It’s not just about patients and consumers getting screwed. It’s about the enormous disincentives government-run health care would bring to the medical profession.
Investor’s Business Daily reports on the results of its heart-stopping poll of doctors:
Two of every three practicing physicians oppose the medical overhaul plan under consideration in Washington, and hundreds of thousands would think about shutting down their practices or retiring early if it were adopted, a new IBD/TIPP Poll has found.
The poll contradicts the claims of not only the White House, but also doctors’ own lobby — the powerful American Medical Association — both of which suggest the medical profession is behind the proposed overhaul.
It also calls into question whether an overhaul is even doable; 72% of the doctors polled disagree with the administration’s claim that the government can cover 47 million more people with better-quality care at lower cost.
Read the whole thing — and don’t expect Obama’s health care czar’s office to report this in its “reality check” series.
Doesn’t fit the Obamacare narrative.
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can you say big time rationing and your new doctor won’t speaky English….
That leaves a lot of room for the African, Caribbean, and Ukrainian, MD’d licensee’s. But, hey, that’s OK with bama. It’s not people’s health he’s concerned with.
WHO IS JOHN GALT?
Who is “Reality Czar?”
Yes, because if there’s a news source I would trust, it’s the one that reported that the very BRITISH Stephen Hawking “wouldn’t have a chance in the U.K.” because the National Health Service would allow him to languish. (Hawking — again, born, raised and a permanent resident of the UK — responded by stating he wouldn’t be alive without the NHS).
That’s quite a crack investigative team IBD has. I’d bet the poll takers behind these numbers are of the same caliber (because they couldn’t possibly be any worse).
I know most of you here place little to no value on the credibility of sources (e.g., “Two Million at Tea Party, Says Source We Just Arbitrarily Made Up!”), but I mean *really.”
Absolutely! More doctors would quit and more young people wouldn’t go into medicine, and at the same time the patient count would increase big time. Recipe for disaster.
Maybe we could get doctors from China.
They already own our currency.
AMA does not represent doctors. Its membership is largely made of medical students and a few academics. A survey done among currently licensed and working doctors showed that over 90% are opposed to obamacare. Honestly, I doubt even those who are AMA members support these AMA announcements.
Educate yourself about what kind of care Hawking really got, pal – had it not been for American foundations, he wouldn’t have had a chance:
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=336265511242167
The other third haven’t finished paying off their student loans yet.
I nominate Michelle (our gracious host).
If given no other choice people still will vote. They vote with their feet.
this bozo, Odopey, surely has committed violation/violations opening the door to impeachment…he has done nothing to protect American citizens which is his main function as president.
Wishful thinking I know, still dreaming of a non-violent military coup.
This doesn’t surprise me. I have a child who has the smarts to become a doctor. But I have concerns that she could be put in a position where they would tell her she couldn’t be a doctor if she doesn’t perform abortions. I know that over in the UK doctors were balking about this. and well they should. We MUST keep out single-payer. Because it’s perfectly reasonable to have these concerns, and hey–if they can’t run Medicaid and Medicare cost-effectively, why do we think they’ll be able to run EVERYONE’S medical are?
Try again on the Hawking story. He would not have survived if he had to depend only on NHS. He had huge assistance from independent sources.
What I place little or no value on is trolls like you.
Coming from a known incessant liar, we’d have to see your source and context for this claim. IBD is a pretty consistently accurate publication. It has to be – as a financial newspaper, it can’t survive without credibility, any more than the WSJ could.
Obama thinks he is Chavez and we are Venezuela.
America was founded on the over-throw of tyranny. We will do it again if necessary.
This poll just adds additional confirmation to the sharp ray of sunlight Joe Wilson released during the joint session.
@ simcoe- can’t wait for those Ukrainian doctors. My Dad’s ex-wife lives there and went in for surgery on her breast. She had to bring her own sheets and towels to the hospital. They also require you to bring your own tubing for the IV. They released her without any antibiotics and she almost died from an infection. Her “tumor” turned out to be misdiagnosed as well.
If Krugman and his ilk are such fans of National health Care why don’t they move to G.B and sign up, after all with out good health and health care what do you really have?
It was so dark in that joint session that Joe’s ray caused deep burns…ouch!
Um, Tired.
There will be no doctors. They will not work for less than what it takes to pay off their student loans and actually pay for a middle class lifestyle.
You MAY see a PA or an NP, but NOT an MD or DO. They will be too expensive. As it is, NP’s and PA’s can write scrip with a doctor’s supervision.
Unless you go to Mexico or India.
Personally, I like the Indians better (been there, done that), but the airfare it more expensive. Oh and the jetlag really sucks the big tubular thingy.
I have been misdiagnosed by several NP’s. Including being told I was definitely NOT hypothyroid, but peri-menopausal. I was right, but it took me TWO YEARS to get someone to test my thyroid. (The NP who ordered the test did it to shut me up, but wrote the scrip for the progestrerone because she was sure she knew more than me, even with a FAMILY HISTORY of thyroid disease.)
OT: I hope the Dr. Sydney Wolfe of the FDA and Dr. Kenneth Ain both become hypothyroid and NOTHING but USP Desiccated Thyroid works for them. He is – SURPRISE – playing politics with medications. I HATE them and they OBVIOUSLY hate Americans with thyroid diseases.
And don’t forget, you can ALWAYS VOUCH for their loyalty to the USA, and that they would never, ever become part of a terrorist cell….
Interesting. I wonder how many of the doctors in the the study participate in Medicare and Medicaid. It might be the reason so many doctors have apprehensions about overhauling the system.
Way to link to an IBD story to attempt to prove the truth of…an IBD story (that’s a bit like defining a word…using the word itself). I know you likely don’t read very many different news sources, but try referencing a publication that isn’t the very same, widely discredited one that printed the original error.
My daughter works for 7 doctors and they ALL have told her that if Obamacare passes they will either retire or find another profession to perform. Doctors can NOT afford to pay for medical school and then get paid peanuts for their services. Why do you think that Britain had the foreign doctors who were involved in the terrorist activity? It’s because British doctors can’t make a decent living in Britain under the NHS because the NHS has to keep the payments to doctors very low or the whole thing would have already bankrupted the whole country.
Read the link genius. They corrected the original story and expanded with sources, including Hawking himself.
True, I don’t read much MSM Obamedia swill, save Mo D’oh and Krugman for comedic value. I prefer credible, sourced information.
Widely discredited by…? You. Where are your sources O mighty arbinger of credibility? Produce something refuting the story rather than your ad hominem silliness or STFU.
Sorry, civility and decorum. STFU please, sir.
In America today, doctors are written off as so unscrpulously greed-driven that they would needlessly cut off limbs and rip out tonsils for the benefit of their bank accounts. And that’s just the attitude of the President. Yet it’s the doctors who will be charged with making the dreams of socialized medicine come true. So they would have to agree to carry on with their work under the terms of Obamacare. Do you think Obama would bet his own life on that happening? No, but his goal is to bet your life on it.
My daughter is one of the doctors that is so upset she may give up. She thinks Obama and his administration is going to ruin the whole health care system.
I nominate nyk for comedy relief czar.
Hey, NYK, come back to the Kanye West post. I provide links that prove a point and you disappear.
John D
Where is everybody from the Skippy thread? Monster withdrawl?
BTW, how’s your son’s recovery?
Odumbo knows nothing of the America spirit. He knows nothing of us and what we are truly made of.
I know he never started a business, or met a payroll, but I bet he also never once in his life fired a gun. Never went fishing or baited a hook. Never watched a John Wayne movie. Never chopped wood for the fireplace IN HIS LIFE. I bet he never drove a pick up truck on a dirt road IN HIS LIFE.
This is why it is a good idea to elect a President who is American.
Can’t be any worse than the one that works for the communist in chief. Seriously, you’d think with all the people being killed by evil insurance companies, they could have found someone who actually was killed by their insurance company.
You do realize that the NHS actually does have a huge doctor shortage directly attributable to their system, don’t you… which was the point of this thread, and the article. Hating on IBD doesn’t change that fact.
And whether or not you believe IBD’s poll isn’t relevant anyway….there is NO WAY IN HELL Obama can cover more people, with better care, with more efficiency, with fewer doctors, and for less money. Not…gonna…happen.
He can’t.
To a liberal, all it takes is some dumba$$ liberal saying something is discredited to discredit something.
Listening to liberals is how we got into this mess in the first place.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Where is YOUR proof that Hawking received any quality care at all? Your assertion is heavy with assumption. Spare us the idea that the NHS gives a damn about the disabled when this is the same system that is denying critical cancer meds and playing God with preemies. I mean, really, if any source refutes your idea of universal health care it must be, well, untrustworthy.
Again, if there is something wrong with the poll, could you at least bring up some substantive information that refutes it? I mean, this projection you have toward IBD is quite silly.
This post of yours is quite nonsensical. It’s also nice to see how little credibility you place in the protest of many, many people with legitimate reasons unlike the anti-war crowd who’d like to experiment with a little nihilist anarchy.
I love how those who support government health care aren’t the ones who participate in it, unlike military members and their dependents. Do you know how long waitlists are for those seeking mental health care treatment that should be readily available to VA patients? Do you know how frustrating it is to weed through the Tricare system, knowing you may never be seen by a REAL doctor? I’m lucky if I even get to see a PA. Don’t even get me started on prescription waitlists.
For someone so well-acquainted with the world, you seem very eager to take on it’s well-documented, failed, social experiments. Please, do a little more research… not that you or those who support universal healthcare give a damn about the American taxpayer or those, like myself, already living under government health care (or more specifically the government HMO).
It’s not fun. If it weren’t for civilian providers many military spouses would be lost.
I don’t have any of those but I have had two patients killed by government intervention in their care.
Everyone is a lefty till it hits them in the wallet. These Dr’s must have figured out that ObamaCare paychecks won’t pay the green fees at the country club, let alone make the car and house payment!
Here is a plan for the doctor’s that would quit if this monster of a bill becomes law. Don’t quit! Join with some of your colleagues and find a nice nation in the Caribbean a short flight from the USA that allows free enterprise. Set up your practice there. YOU WILL BE SWAMPED WITH AMERICANS WHO WILL PAY CASH! Why should we have to fly to India or Singapore? We can have our “safety outlet right next door.
(I like this idea. I think I’ll put it on my blog, too.)
Not to worry. Let them quit. Obama and his sychophants will find a way to dumb down the admissions requirements so they can train more, less capable physicians to replace them.
And, with their open borders philosophy, bring in more non-English speaking doctors so the patients can get more confused than ever.
And shoot, why not some voodoo practitioners? They have high unemployment in Haiti, let’s give them an opportunity. Spread the wealth sort of.
It’s not about health care – it’s about power and control.
I think doctors, nurses and all other health professionals should sign a letter to Obama promising that they will UNIONIZE if any government bill puts the DC bureaucrats in any more control of what they get paid.
If government is going to obliterate capitalism, monopolize the health care industry, then what other choice do health professionals have to insure they are paid what they think they are worth?
Firefighters and police make that same argument – nobody else pays them but government, so how will things be any different for health professionals if that becomes true for them as well?
Go for it doctors! Push BACK!
The Philippines are looking for more job placement for her health care pro’s. At 9 million Pinoys working overseas, they already have the largest legal migrant work force on earth. And they speak Elnglish.
thats English. i need a new keyboard…
Well, it would reduce health care costs.
Nevermind that you’d wait about a year to see a doctor.
That is an incredibly poorly worded question. How many doctors consider quitting early in any case? Is there any control in the polling for that number? From all indications, a large percentage of doctors already retire, or at least consider it, before 65.
The laws of supply and demand will come back to bite the ObamiNation.
Maybe Doctors as a group can sue to stop whatever passes? Doesn’t this sometimes happen when Congress passes a conservative bill and liberals get it stopped by the courts? Maybe fight bad bill with bad precident: Right to privacy between a doctor and a woman(/man) that was somehow found in the due process clause in constitution? I know it’s not plausible but wouldn’t it be funny if a liberal bad precedent stops a bad liberal bill!
Many of the docs that didn’t quit under ObamaCare would probably declare bankruptcy to get out from under their student loans. That’s one aspect the Dems keep overlooking.
deedledee @ #807444:
They somehow managed to find “separation of church and state” in the constitution; anything is possible!
You do know that student loans are the one thing that are almost impossible to get discharged in bankruptcy, right?
chap:
Yes, along with tax debts. But doctors might symbolically file anyway just to make the point.
Destroy their credit rating to make a symbolic point?
chapoutier replied:
If they’re unable to keep up their loan payments, that won’t help their credit ratings, either. What would they have to lose by filing?
My sister-in-law is currenly in her final year of nursing school. She says that if the health care bill passes, she certainly will not be working as a nurse in the govt system, and that’s what a lot of her classmates say too. She said she’ll go into health informatics instead. It’s a real shame because she will (would) make a great nurse.
I believe that the Gov’t would like to see many physicians quit. that would be the easiest way to impose rationing of care without having to directly do it themselves. They could also slowly repopulate the physician supply with a group that would come to accept a much lower rate of reimbursement and a lower standard of living.
The perfect response.
You beat me to it!
Also, folks, I believe the individual referred to in the “response” and in several earlier posts is not a male; but, rather, a very, very angry and nasty female.
nyk; even if you are 100% correct, steven hawking isn’t steven jones. steven jones is languishing in the hallway having his appendix burst while the nhs doctors and staff are attending to their national hero. oh, btw, all socialized medicine systems are over budget and under performing, and if they couldn’t just print more money, but actually had to operate out of their profits (like evil insurance companies) they would be out of business in one year.
I second that…
with the penchant the congress has for increasing foreign worker visas dear leader will just ask for an increase to bring in doctors from foreign countries to replace those homegrown doctors who quit or don’t go into the profession …they’ll work for less and they’ll speak in broken English if at all…
Some animals are more equal than others.
Hey!
Oh you mean the…sorry
I’m referring to the individual whose post is summarized (“On September 16th, at xx:xx am/pm, so-and-so said:….”) by the icon that is rolling its eyes!
“I’m sorry, but our hours are midnight to 8am. That’s the operating hours of your US government health care phone operations that have been outsourced to India.”
granite–I know what you meant; I was just beating someone else to the punchline (regarding myself)
self-deprecation: FAIL
Understood.
No sweat!
Saw that this morning.
Front page. Top Center.
At least IBD wasn’t afraid to report facts from the real world.
The NY Times however…. still in dream world.
I will not quit, but I will consider moving out of the USA to practice under more favorable conditions.
Obama CareThe Oregon Health Care program remits 40-50 percent of usual and customary fees. I can’t afford to accept it and hope to keep my office open. Under Obama care I don’t expect the situation to improve if a government option comes to fruition.In Poland, the socialized medical system is so bad that there is a thriving black market in medical services. A friend of mine’s parents live in Poland and were forced to use the black market because they were in need of immediate help but could not get it in a timely manner. Delays, rationing, and poor service are part of every day medical care in socialized Poland.
Has enough been said about HR3200’s Section 164, “Reinsurance Program for Retirees”? It is an outright give-away to bail out union pensions on OUR dime, it’s first order tax payer larceny.
It is all in the DEFINITION of that innocent sounding term they use, “retiree”, which likely does NOT mean YOU … unless you were a union member.
The definition appears on page ~67, (2) “Definitons” , is where a “retiree” is described (D) as an individual who … (ii) ” is not eligible for coverage under title XVIII of the Social Security Act”
And just WHO are these people NOT eligible for medicare .. mostly UNION PENSIONERS! Having qualified retirement plans, they did not pay into medicare or SS so they are about the only people who are “NOT ELIGIBLE”. (Very few non-union companies offer qualified retirement health care plans.)
Googling stuff I found a “fact versus fiction” page by LYING DEMOCRAT Congressman Gene Taylor from Mississippi who says:
He goes on to explain:
Yeah RIIIIGHT Gene – as though we would think any scheming weasel like you would be stupid enough to mention them directly? But answer THIS Gene, tell the TRUTH, the definition of “retiree” here in fact EXCLUDES almost all non-union retirees? Let’s hear some numbers of how many non-union ‘retirees’ are currently covered by an employer provided retirement health care plan versus how many union ‘retirees’ are so covered? Hmmm? Like spitting in the ocean!
So the union pensioner plans get bailed out so they can continue their cushy coverage while many of those who PAY for that bail out get the .. government option.
No wonder they wanted to pass it so fast – there’s tons of this crap buried in the bill.
Punked.
More – Detroit Free Press outlines 10 BILLION allocated to bailing out UNION health care pension benefits.
Wow. I mean, I know that we’re a nation of racial cowards, but these doctors are supposed to be edumacated. How can there be that many racist doctors in our lovely post-racial nation???
I doubt anyone is going to read this at this point, but just wanted to point out that Nate Silver has absolutely decimated the validity of this poll, not the least of which was noting that this was the exact same pollster that had McCain winning the YOUTH vote 74%-22%. Wow.