The era of post-racialism is dead

By Michelle Malkin  •  September 15, 2009 03:28 PM

It never had a chance.

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  1. #1
    On September 15th, 2009 at 3:35 pm, thetoysurgeon said:

    I had hope with Obama that he would bring us into a new era of race relations by whathe said in the campaign. He and his cronies are doing the complete opposite of what he intended. Their true racist colors are flying and they keep digging their hole deeper. The race card is old hat and everyone sees thruogh it. I think the time has come finally that whites are speaking their mind..

    BUCHANAN TO
    OBAMA

    By
    Patrick J. Buchanan

    Barack says we need to have
    a conversation about race in America . Fair enough. But this time,
    it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard
    from, not just lectured to.. This time, the Silent Majority needs to
    have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them
    are these:

    First,
    America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was
    here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships,
    grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian
    salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity
    blacks have ever known. Wright ought to go down on his knees and
    thank God he is an American.

    Second, no people anywhere
    has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold
    trillions have been spent since the ‘ 60s on welfare, food stamps,
    rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans,
    legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty
    programs designed to bring the African-American community into the
    mainstream. Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in
    discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action,
    contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over
    white applicants. Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and
    individuals all over America have donated their time and money to
    support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and
    nursing homes for blacks.

    We hear the grievances.
    Where is the gratitude???

    Barack talks about new
    ‘ladders of opportunity’ for blacks. Let him go to Altoona ?
    And Johnstown , and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many
    were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out
    scholarships for ‘deserving’ white kids.? Is white America really
    responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for
    African-Americans are seven times those of white America ? Is
    it really white America ‘s fault that illegitimacy in the
    African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout
    rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50
    percent?

    Is that the fault of white
    America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community
    itself?

    As for racism, its ugliest
    manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial
    crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals
    choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose
    white victims 45 percent of the time?

    Is Barack aware that
    black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse,
    that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first
    three years of this decade as the reverse?

    We have all heard ad nauseam
    from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena .
    And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black
    assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

    Sorry, Barack, some of us
    have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars
    ago.
    We are a Christian Nation even if
    Mr. Obama says we are not.
    This needs to be passed
    around because, this is a message everyone needs to
    hear!!!

  2. #2
    On September 15th, 2009 at 3:35 pm, thetoysurgeon said:

    Geez I wish I could Spell.

  3. #3
    On September 15th, 2009 at 3:42 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Message to Rep. Hank Johnson:

    “Everyone has a right to their opinion, but no one has the right to be taken seriously.” – Will Rogers

  4. #4
    On September 15th, 2009 at 3:45 pm, Hangfire said:

    Blacks should be ashamed for frightening Barack’s grandmother.

  5. #5
    On September 15th, 2009 at 3:46 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 3:35 pm, thetoysurgeon said

    Great column. Buchanan has the b*lls to tell it like it is, and back it up with facts. But as usual, the libs will gloss over, or make excuses for, the facts.

    Reality check for libs. It is you that brings race into every conversation. That only serves to exacerbate the racial divide, not narrow it.

  6. #6
    On September 15th, 2009 at 3:46 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    Barack Obama, the PMost Racial President

  7. #7
    On September 15th, 2009 at 3:46 pm, spaceycakes said:

    What is that in the video?! A mannekin? Something from a wax museum?

  8. #8
    On September 15th, 2009 at 3:47 pm, PhredE said:

    Oh puh-leeeeeze. Spare me the overly emotional and alarmist nonsense.

    Here’s his official web site:
    http://hankjohnson.house.gov/

  9. #9
    On September 15th, 2009 at 3:47 pm, jsr said:

    Let’s face it. Dissent is no longer patriotic. Dissent is racist.

    Hank Johnson is my rep. Sad too say but he actually is an improvement over Cynthia McKinney and was presented as a middle-of-the-road Democrat. That says a lot about so called moderate Democrats

  10. #10
    On September 15th, 2009 at 3:51 pm, RobM1981 said:

    When Obama and his followers said “Post Racialism,” they were referring to a breakfast cereal.

  11. #11
    On September 15th, 2009 at 3:52 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    OT, I’m flabbergasted by this headline on Foxnews.com:

    Swedish Man Gets Life in Prison for Plot to Open Terror Training Camp in Oregon

    Are you imagining a tall, strapping blonde-haired man named Sven? Well…

    A Lebanese-born Swede has been sentenced to life in prison for plotting to open a terrorism training camp in the western state of Oregon.

    U.S. District Judge John Keenan sentenced Oussama Kassir on Tuesday in New York.

    Is it just me? I don’t really consider a Lebanese guy that became a Swedish citizen to be a “Swede”. I know… RACIST!!! I’m bad.

  12. #12
    On September 15th, 2009 at 3:54 pm, thetoysurgeon said:

    It’s like when sterotyping becomes the truth

  13. #13
    On September 15th, 2009 at 3:55 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 3:51 pm, RobM1981 said:

    When Obama and his followers said “Post Racialism,” they were referring to a breakfast cereal.

    I thought they were referring to that period between races where you’re collecting your winnings at the window.

  14. #14
    On September 15th, 2009 at 3:56 pm, Hangfire said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 3:52 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    Swedish Man Gets Life in Prison for Plot to Open Terror Training Camp in Oregon

    “Allahu Akbar, ja shoor, ya betcha.”

  15. #15
    On September 15th, 2009 at 3:56 pm, Cogs said:

    Oh come-on; Obama’s been upset with white people ever since he learned that he was half one.

  16. #16
    On September 15th, 2009 at 3:57 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 3:52 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    LMAO. The first time I saw the headlines (several days ago), I immediately thought, swedish immigrant. Not too many tall blonde muslims. Sure enough, I saw the name and confirmed my suspicion. Of course, we are racist for properly profiling.

  17. #17
    On September 15th, 2009 at 3:58 pm, backwoods conservative said:

    I could have sworn that what I heard Joe Wilson say “You lie!” Apparently a lot of other people think the second word was something that started with an “n”.

  18. #18
    On September 15th, 2009 at 3:58 pm, thetoysurgeon said:

    stereotyping

  19. #19
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:01 pm, kbiel said:

    I’m pretty sure it was a still birth.

  20. #20
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:02 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    The same Joe Wilson who led an effort to keep the Confederate flag flying at the SC Capitol (saying “the Confederate heritage is very honorable” (!)), who worked as an aide for Strom Thurmond, and who denounced the claim of a mixed race woman that she was Thurmond’s daughter a “smear” and an attempt to destroy his legacy?

    Wow, and you wonder why people assume the worst about southern Republicans.

    The choice is yours: denounce this racist scum, or join him.

  21. #21
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:05 pm, spaceycakes said:

    other people think the second word was something that started with an “n”.

    Narcissist?

    Nosferatu?

  22. #22
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:05 pm, MTConservative said:

    I don’t even listen to “racism” comments and charges by blacks any more. I gave up on them a long time ago. They have no credibility. The ones that, year after year, are permitted to speak for the black community (Jackson, Sharpton, you know, the usual cast of clowns) cry racism so much, the word has no meaning any more. After all, if all whites are racists, no whites are racist.

  23. #23
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:06 pm, spaceycakes said:

    The choice is yours: denounce this racist scum, or join him.

    So, by your own admission, you are joined with Byrd?

  24. #24
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:08 pm, UrbanSpaceman said:

    PhredE – I have already sent Mr. Johnson my thoughts even though I live in Illinois. Mr. Johnson is an idiot if he thinks race has anything to do with this.

    Dexter Alarious – If that person became a Swedish citizen and was still one when arrested, I would call him a Swede. Similarly, I call anybody a US citizen an American, regardless of their ethnicity. If a country allows you to be a citizen, then you are a citizen of that country–none of this hyphenated stuff (like Lebanese-Swede or worse, African-American (if they are going to use this label, why can’t they use their country of origin instead of the continent?)).

  25. #25
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:09 pm, GladzKravtz said:

    “Racist
    Takes one to know one.”

    There ya go again Mom, talking to me from the grave.

  26. #26
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:10 pm, Elm Creek Smith said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:02 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    Well, since it has since been proven that Joe Wilson was telling the truth when he said, “You lie!” I suppose you’re damning him as a ra-a-a-a-acist on past associations. Did you give President Obama a pass on his past associations, and, if so, why? Is he to be judged differently than Joe Wilson for some reason, and, if so, what would that reason be?

    The choice is yours: denounce this racist scum, or join him.

    Your premise is faulty, sparky.

    ECS

  27. #27
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:10 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    So, by your own admission, you are joined with Byrd?

    Robert Byrd has long since renounced his past. Joe Wilson only embraces it.

    And obviously, since y’all love to raise Byrd’s spector, why don’t you take the opportunity to put your money where your mouth is and shun this POS.

  28. #28
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:13 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    Did you give President Obama a pass on his past associations, and, if so, why? Is he to be judged differently than Joe Wilson for some reason, and, if so, what would that reason be?

    Nice try. If Obama were really that similar to Bill Ayers or Reverend Wright, you would have some similar incendiary rhetoric from him.

    With Joe Wilson, you have it right there out of the horse’s mouth. Just try and find a way to explain “the Confederate heritage is very honorable.”

  29. #29
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:14 pm, swede said:

    Dexter Alarious – If that person became a Swedish citizen and was still one when arrested, I would call him a Swede. Similarly, I call anybody a US citizen an American, regardless of their ethnicity.

    I resemble that. I am a Swedish American, a minority, and I demand my stimulus check.

    BTW, Hank Johnson acted stupidly.

  30. #30
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:18 pm, Salt said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:02 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    In context from the site you link:

    But local lawmakers, like Republican senator Joe Wilson say it is all about pride and history, and nothing to do with racism and hate. He finds comparisons with Nazis odious.

    “That’s offensive to me that they would take my heritage and make it into a Holocaust era type description. I find that very offensive, and it’s not true,” Senator Wilson said. “The Southern heritage, the Confederate heritage is very honourable.”

    You made it sound as though he was supporting slavery.

    …who worked as an aide for Strom Thurmond…

    What does being an aide have to do with it (more specifically, he was a page)? Should we think the same of any of Robert Byrd’s aides?

    …and who denounced the claim of a mixed race woman that she was Thurmond’s daughter a “smear” and an attempt to destroy his legacy?

    So, because she’s of mixed race, Wilson should have not even think to defend claims of infidelity of Thurmond (who was not around to defend himself)? An emotional reaction, sure, but there’s very little that I have seen that says this is racially motivated.

    Why does it have to be about her race except to now attempt to paint a picture of him as a racist?

    Several people here mocked that Wilson would be called a racist. Some might even have thought it was a hyperbolic joke.

    Perhaps I’m missing the big gotcha here, but from what I’ve read of his statements I don’t see a racially charged angle:

    Rep. Wilson, a former page of Thurmond’s, immediately told The State newspaper that he didn’t believe Williams. He deemed the revelation “unseemly.” And he added that even if she was telling the truth, she should have kept the inconvenient facts to herself:

    “It’s a smear on the image that [Thurmond] has as a person of high integrity who has been so loyal to the people of South Carolina,” Wilson said.

    Sure, we can debate whether or not he should have questioned her coming forward, but why make this into his being a racist? This is knee-jerk reaction from the likes of Alan Colmes and others looking to backfill some story around what is more and more becoming a joke: namely the Democratic indignation over Wilson’s outburst.

    He apologized for it and the President accepted it. The continued beating of the drum of this seems more like a fear reaction that an already disquieted populace might actually consider if President Obama was, in fact, lying.

  31. #31
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:27 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:08 pm, UrbanSpaceman said:
    Dexter Alarious – If that person became a Swedish citizen and was still one when arrested, I would call him a Swede. Similarly, I call anybody a US citizen an American, regardless of their ethnicity.

    That really only works with immigrant nations like the US, Canada and, to some extent, Britain. To me, the descriptors Swedish, German, Japanese, etc., refer more to ethnicity than to citizenship. The headline as written was misleading. I would have written: “Lebanese-born Swedish Citizen…” or “Swedish Citizen of Lebanese Descent…”.

    Of course, they wrote it the way they did on purpose. First, to be politically correct by not highlighting the fact it was really a Lebanese Muslim, and second to make people go “What the…?” and read the story.

  32. #32
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:30 pm, madshark said:

    Second, no people anywhere
    has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold
    trillions have been spent since the ‘ 60s on welfare, food stamps,
    rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans,
    legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty
    programs designed to bring the African-American community into the
    mainstream. Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in
    discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action,
    contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over
    white applicants.

    There are times when I consider Patrick Buchanan brilliant, and there are times when I consider him a dunderhead. That statement about all of the government programs designed to help blacks falls into the latter category. While those who created the programs may have done so with the best of intentions, I believe that the law of unintended consequences has come into play and that many of these programs has hastened the breakdown of the black family, as Patrick Moynihan asserted.

    These “government programs” are much more destructive to the black community than the State flag of South Carolina.

  33. #33
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:31 pm, swede said:

    OT, but sooooooo sweet!

    Rasmussen: Reed trailing by 10 points in Nevada.

    It’s good news week! Latest ACORN affirmative action child prostitution pimp entitlement video, episode 4 in 3…2…1…

    We are so un-screwed!

  34. #34
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:31 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    He finds comparisons with Nazis odious.

    “That’s offensive to me that they would take my heritage and make it into a Holocaust era type description. I find that very offensive, and it’s not true,” Senator Wilson said. “The Southern heritage, the Confederate heritage is very honourable.”

    The Confederate heritage is anything but honorable, and only a racist would say such a thing. If you need to compare it to Nazi Germany to make it look good, that’s beyond pathetic.

    And I’ll concede that by calling the accusations of his illigitimate black daughter a smear doesn’t necessarily amount to racism because they would be unseemly even coming from a white woman. However, Wilson also said, they were “diminish Thurmond’s legacy.” Strom Thurmond’s legacy is leading the segregationist Dixiecrat ticket for President. Again, only a racist would find anything in his legacy that could be diminished.

  35. #35
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:32 pm, prendad said:

    It takes a special kind of idiot that can turn “YOU LIE” into “racists dressed in white robes riding through the countryside again intimidating black people”. I suppose that when Rep. Hank Johnson’s comments get back to his folks at home in Georgia that they will be awful glad that he stuck it to whitey real good. Thanks Rep. Johnson for going out of your way to throw some extra gas on the fires of racism to make sure they keep burning bright.

  36. #36
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:32 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    If a nazi slave-holder called Obama a liar, would it be any less true?

  37. #37
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:33 pm, John Deaux said:

    So, by your own admission, you are joined with Byrd?

    And Murtha.
    And Frank.
    And Jefferson.
    And Rangel.

    RSS, clean your own house before you tell me mine’s dirty.

  38. #38
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:34 pm, prendad said:

    Thanks Rep. John Boehner for standing up and calling this event what it is: Nothing more than a partisan stunt.

  39. #39
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:34 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    It is racist to vote against or for someone because of their skin color.

    There are many more racists in this country who voted for Barack Obama because of his skin color than there are racists who voted against Barack Obama because of his skin color.

    One of them, sadly, is my racist friend.

  40. #40
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:35 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    RSS, clean your own house before you tell me mine’s dirty.

    Right back at ya.

  41. #41
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:35 pm, Hangfire said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:31 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    The Confederate heritage is anything but honorable, and only a racist would say such a thing.

    So, you think all Confederates owned slaves, eh?

  42. #42
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:35 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    We are so un-screwed!

    I worry that we’re peaking too soon. Will the momentum hold for another year?

  43. #43
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:37 pm, corkie said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:31 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    And I’ll concede that by calling the accusations of his illigitimate black daughter a smear doesn’t necessarily amount to racism because they would be unseemly even coming from a white woman.

    It’s good to know that you’ll concede the incredibly obvious.

    Strom Thurmond’s legacy is leading the segregationist Dixiecrat ticket for President.

    Do you have a source for this?

  44. #44
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:38 pm, TigerLady said:

    prendad said:
    It takes a special kind of idiot that can turn “YOU LIE” into “racists dressed in white robes riding through the countryside again intimidating black people”.

    Try not to be so hard on RSS. Being a special kind of idiot has its rewards.

  45. #45
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:39 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    By the way, I have zero problem with Joe Wilson’s outburst last week. You can’t tell me the founding fathers had polite, uninterrupted lovefests. American politics has always been about passion above all else.

    I absolutely loathe the House leadership’s attempts to milk those two words for whatever political gain they can get.

  46. #46
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:40 pm, Southpaw said:

    The vast majority of Americans have been post-racial for decades. The problem is, there is no profit in Post-Racialism for the race baiters and victimhood hustlers.

    Calling a person a racist has been so overused in this country, it no longer has any impact.

  47. #47
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:42 pm, John Deaux said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:35 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    RSS, clean your own house before you tell me mine’s dirty.

    Right back at ya.

    I’m not telling you that you have to denounce anybody. See the difference?

    Trying to turn Joe Wilson’s statement into a racial issue means that you can’t argue with the substance of the message.

    As far as racial intimidation, the only exhibit I’ve seen today was on a bus in Belleville. Would you care to provide another example?

  48. #48
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:42 pm, swede said:

    Dexter Alarius said:
    I worry that we’re peaking too soon. Will the momentum hold for another year?

    At least partially up to us, no? Set pressure on high. Maintain.

  49. #49
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:43 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

    -The Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

    Telling Obama, “You Lie!” is judging the content of Obama’s character, not the color of his skin.

    Joe Wilson is a fulfillment of King’s dream… he judged Obama by the content of his character.

    Hank Johnson is the antithesis of King’s dream, still making every conversation a discussion of skin color, more than 40 years after King’s death.

  50. #50
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:43 pm, Hangfire said:

    There is not a racist bone in my body.

    But feel free anytime to ask me about my ethnocentricities.

  51. #51
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:44 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:37 pm, corkie said:

    Strom Thurmond’s legacy is leading the segregationist Dixiecrat ticket for President.

    Do you have a source for this?

    Are you kidding?

  52. #52
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:45 pm, bmac727 said:

    “Post-Racialism” was always just Double-speak for waitin’ to play the race card – over & over again!

  53. #53
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:45 pm, backwoods conservative said:

    And the little boy cried, “Wolf! Wolf!” “Racist! Racist!”

  54. #54
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:45 pm, Salt said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:31 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    The Confederate heritage is anything but honorable, and only a racist would say such a thing. If you need to compare it to Nazi Germany to make it look good, that’s beyond pathetic.

    He didn’t compare it to Nazi Germany. He was reacting to it being compared to Nazi Germany.

    I’ll agree that his choice of wording might have been better, but personally I read this as a defense of Southern heritage and not a proclamation that he believed slavery was honorable.

    It’s a dicey thing. Sure, you can look at the bad and claim there was no honor in any of the people that lived in the region of the time, but you would have to apply that same measurement evenly. By that same standard, most of the forefathers would also have to be labeled as without honor.

    And I’ll concede that by calling the accusations of his illigitimate black daughter a smear doesn’t necessarily amount to racism because they would be unseemly even coming from a white woman. However, Wilson also said, they were “diminish Thurmond’s legacy.” Strom Thurmond’s legacy is leading the segregationist Dixiecrat ticket for President. Again, only a racist would find anything in his legacy that could be diminished.

    Dixiecrat is an interesting way of pointing out that Thurmond started out as a Democrat.

    Thurmond was a complex character with flaws. Wilson didn’t know him until much later on in his career. You concede that you might understand why Wilson might defend someone he had considered a friend without it being directly tied to being racist. Why then jump automatically to the “Thurmond was racist, therefore Wilson is, too” card?

  55. #55
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:46 pm, Rob said:

    I have always considered myself to be very understanding, tolerant and non-racial. However, lately I am having thoughts and feelings that I really don’t like. I see Jeremiah Wright, I hear Barack Obama, I see the people of ACORN, I learn about Van Jones, I hear myself called “racist, terrorist, redneck, ignorant, stupid, etc.” and I am starting to think that maybe it IS time to take my country back…

    I don’t like these thoughts, but in this era of “the great uniter”, the era of the “post racial” president, I AM having them….

  56. #56
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:46 pm, Salt said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:39 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    By the way, I have zero problem with Joe Wilson’s outburst last week. You can’t tell me the founding fathers had polite, uninterrupted lovefests. American politics has always been about passion above all else.

    I absolutely loathe the House leadership’s attempts to milk those two words for whatever political gain they can get.

    We definitely agree on this.

  57. #57
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:46 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    Trying to turn Joe Wilson’s statement into a racial issue means that you can’t argue with the substance of the message.

    I have done nothing of the sort. I am simply making the point that Joe Wilson is a racist, regardless of his behavior, and by failing to denounce him, as you piously do of jackass democrats, you are not only hypocrites but enabling the stature of a confirmed bigot.

  58. #58
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:47 pm, sonofdy said:

    Red State Bigot: The only one in the congress currently who has a KKK pass is byrd.

    So s.c.r.e.w your comparisons because its YOUR party that has the racist links.

    You only think Wilson is a racist because thats what you were told to think.

    Now prove he is a racist (being proud of his states history doesn’t make him racist)

    Prove it or STFU.

  59. #59
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:47 pm, sonofdy said:

    Red State Bigot, Screaming racist at a person doesn’t prove anything.

  60. #60
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:49 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:40 pm, Southpaw said:

    The vast majority of Americans have been post-racial for decades. The problem is, there is no profit in Post-Racialism for the race baiters and victimhood hustlers.

    Calling a person a racist has been so overused in this country, it no longer has any impact.

    Getting over any fear of being called “racist!” by projecting racists is an important step toward true post-racialism.

    Those who are still afraid of being called “racist!” cower and allow the projecting racists to further their racist goals.

  61. #61
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:50 pm, Salt said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:46 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    I have done nothing of the sort. I am simply making the point that Joe Wilson is a racist.

    That’s your opinion. I remain unconvinced.

    Does this mean that you agree with the statement that “[i]f we don’t censure Joe Wilson, the KKK will ride through the countryside”?

  62. #62
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:51 pm, PhredE said:

    “I have done nothing of the sort. I am simply making the point that Joe Wilson is a racist, regardless of his behavior,..

    Then how can you KNOW he is a racist by examining only things that are NOT behavior (eg. aren’t readily observable behaviors the single-most effective way to discern a racist or not?).

  63. #63
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:52 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:35 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    I find your swipe at the Confederacy (and by that YOU REALLY mean southerners) disgraceful. Further, your broad brush swipe that all southerners are racists and therefore should never honor their heritage proves who the true biggots are. It is libs like yourself. You do realize the primary reason for the civil war was not slavery, it was primarily the economic and social differences between the sides? So, fly that Confederate flag with pride and don’t let the thin skinned, find race as an issue in all disputes, liberals take that from you. If that makes me a ricist, then so be it. I’m a racist. So what.

  64. #64
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:53 pm, thetoysurgeon said:

    I have lived the confederate flag issue in SC. It was removed from the State house to a memorial on the state house grounds. Still that wasn’t enough. The south holds the confederacy as a honor badge. I am a son of several confederate veterans. I also had blue bellies in my family tree. They fought and died for STATES RIGHTS which you enjoy now. If you ask any of the yankees who fought the civil war it was to preserve the union not to free slaves. I am honored by my ancestors fortitude and committment. The war between the states had to be fought to progress this nation. If you check your history books, New England was the impetus behind the slave trade. Why aren’t they considered racist confederate bastards too?

  65. #65
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:54 pm, Jeddite said:

    Sup dudes, I likes me some false dichotomies.

  66. #66
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:54 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Over a year and half ago, when the Jeremiah Wright scandal became big news, Obama gave what the MSM called “an important speech on race”.

    Except that speech wasn’t really about race. It was really about Socialism, and merely using false charges of racism in order to further those goals.

    This is rather long, but I analyzed his entire speech:

    Obama Nation:
    Using Racism In Order To Form A More Socialist Union

  67. #67
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:55 pm, backwoods conservative said:

    Unfortunately there are still those who are so consumed with thinking about the slavery issue that they can’t be bothered to delve any deeper into the history books and learn about any of the other factors that led to the Civil War. I would not attempt to claim that slavery was not an issue, it was. But there were a lot of other sources of friction between the northern and southern states and between the southern states and the federal government. Resentments between those entities had been festering for a long time. To remain focused on the issue of slavery to exclusion of all others is to be deliberately ignorant.

  68. #68
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:56 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:45 pm, Salt said:

    I’ll agree that his choice of wording might have been better, but personally I read this as a defense of Southern heritage and not a proclamation that he believed slavery was honorable.

    Notice he specifically defendend Confederate heritage (and not just by his words, but by campaigning to keep the stars & bars flying at the state house). I love the South, and there’s a lot to be proud of in Southern history, but by praising Confederate history as “very honorable” you’re not talking about Booker T. Washington or the Wright brothers. Sorry, that just doesn’t pass the smell test.

    Thurmond was a complex character with flaws. Wilson didn’t know him until much later on in his career. You concede that you might understand why Wilson might defend someone he had considered a friend without it being directly tied to being racist. Why then jump automatically to the “Thurmond was racist, therefore Wilson is, too” card?

    I take issue at his defending Thurmond’s legacy, and everyone in South Carolina knows what that legacy is.

  69. #69
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:57 pm, sonofdy said:

    RED STATE BIGOT

    PROVE HE IS A RACIST OR STFU.

    Your bigotry is not the same as reality.

    Put up or shut up.

  70. #70
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:58 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    The south holds the confederacy as a honor badge.

    Funny, you don’t see too many black folks flying the stars and bars (except ironically).

  71. #71
    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:59 pm, thetoysurgeon said:

    No Red State they fly the flag of Liberia …red green and black ..is that any different?

  72. #72
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:01 pm, sonofdy said:

    No they fly the american flag which all used to allow slavery. Pride in state does not equal racism.

    When are you even going to attempt to prove your point?

  73. #73
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:01 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:50 pm, Salt said:

    I remain unconvinced.

    To convince most of you that one of your own is a racist would take finding a sworn affidavit proclaiming that he loves Hitler like a brother, and even then you’d wonder what the context was. That you endlessly play the associations game, but brush aside the associations of your own is the height of disingenuousness.

  74. #74
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:02 pm, Thomas said:

    If Joe Wilson was a bigot, then anything that he had even remotely said or done would be on the front page of the huffington post and democrat underground. (as well as NBC, with charlie gibson making it the lead story on his broadcast) Because Joe Wilson is the current republican the left needs to take down.

    But of course, there’s nothing. The best they can do is report that he has taken no doze caffine supplements. Of course Joe Wilson is not a racist.

  75. #75
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:02 pm, sonofdy said:

    red state bigot.

    When are you going to try to prove your point using facts?

  76. #76
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:03 pm, sonofdy said:

    Every northern state also used to allow slavery, does being proud of them make red state bigot a racist???

  77. #77
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:05 pm, thetoysurgeon said:

    It is human nature to love one’s own race. It has been proven through out history. What is the fix? To sell out ones own race to another? No , its to treat everyone equally, which I do not see from the other side. Therefore racism exists and will exist forever. Nothing you can do to stop it. You might talk the talk but you will never be able to walk the walk.

  78. #78
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:05 pm, sonofdy said:

    RSB – so is any dissent now racism??

    Because it has ALL been called racism.

  79. #79
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:07 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:02 pm, sonofdy said:

    He feeeeeeellls it. Therefore, it must be fact.

  80. #80
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:08 pm, cicerokid said:

    But Hank is such a man of integrity.

    I suppose if you don’t openly stand for anything, well, you can’t do any wrong!

  81. #81
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:09 pm, sonofdy said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:07 pm, Weary Citizen sa

    We have to call them all on this because if we don’t dissent will be crushed under the weight of political correctness.

  82. #82
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:10 pm, thetoysurgeon said:

    The race card is an easy retort when ones doesn’t face the truth nor has the fortitude to find the faults with their own race. Its always the other guy.

  83. #83
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:10 pm, cicerokid said:

    I’m so sorry, Hank. You’re just misunderstood. I guess you support abortion fairly consistently.

  84. #84
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:10 pm, spaceycakes said:

    what exactly are you asking us to do in ‘denounce him or join him’? hmmm?

    Oh, and please refrain from giving me any more rubbish about his past rhetoric, because, you know, it’s not like the dhimmicrats have a moral leg to stand on or anything.

  85. #85
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:12 pm, thetoysurgeon said:

    Political correctness is the vileness that allowed what you are seeing today. PC’s downfall is that its a weapon used by one side only. I for one will be speaking my mind, PC is dead. Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice shame on you.

  86. #86
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:14 pm, thetoysurgeon said:

    I am joining Wilson at least he speaks the truth.

  87. #87
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:14 pm, Salt said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:01 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:50 pm, Salt said:

    I remain unconvinced.

    To convince most of you that one of your own is a racist would take finding a sworn affidavit proclaiming that he loves Hitler like a brother, and even then you’d wonder what the context was.

    1. I believe I typically interact with you in a more civil manner. I wonder why I should continue to discuss things with you in good faith if this is the result.

    2. You have one comment Wilson made about confederate history (immediately following the words “Southern history”) and label him a racist. It’s not such a terrible thing as to expect that someone that charges someone with being a racist be able to support that claim with something more than one statement and the defense of a deceased colleague with a troubled past.

    3. Your posts, with their seemingly increasing tone of hostility, indicate that this is a hot topic for you and that you might be reacting more vehemently than you realize. I get that “Red State Skeptic” includes a background that adds to that. However, regardless of what you hold to be true over time has not translated well into a compelling argument for me here. Actions are more important than words, careless or otherwise.

    That you endlessly play the associations game, but brush aside the associations of your own is the height of disingenuousness.

    Where have I played the associations game (sincere question)?

    You previously agreed that this whole thing about Wilson is getting blown way out of proportion, but just expect us to accept that he is a racist, anyway. That seems to be a contradiction.

  88. #88
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:17 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:09 pm, sonofdy said:

    No argument here. I’m glad to see everyone, like me, has finally reached the tipping point with all the PC nonsense, and being called racist for every little thing.

  89. #89
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:18 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    Where have I played the associations game (sincere question)?

    I don’t mean you personally. You, y’all. But if Bill Ayers is even an issue for Barack, then surely Strom Thurmond is for Wilson.

    No hostility here. Just Joe Wilson fire.

  90. #90
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:19 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice shame on you.

    Not to nitpick, because I agree with you 100% (and well said). But it is “fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice shame on me”.

  91. #91
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:19 pm, Salt said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:18 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    I don’t mean you personally

    Fair enough. It’s hard to tell the general you from the second person you when you’re responding to one of my comments.

  92. #92
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:23 pm, sonofdy said:

    RSB:

    You have yet to prove Joe Wilson a racist. Are you lying or just ignorant?

  93. #93
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:28 pm, stillontheroad said:

    Red State Skeptic said:
    Well taking that tack — My Italian Ancestry means I am proud of my Roman Heritage – does that make me a Christ Killer? Calling a liar an liar is now racist? Jeez, this coming from the Party that gave us Jim Crow and the KKK -

  94. #94
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:28 pm, thetoysurgeon said:

    Thanks WC for setting me straight

  95. #95
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:29 pm, rooster said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 4:56 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    To engage this moron is engaging a fool and a bigot. We all know Wilson’s, “You Lie”, was all about the bill and absolutely nothing to do with race. Typical lib moron, throw race out there to stifle any dialogue.
    Believe it or not Red State POS, a couple states in the south still have a Confederate Memorial day holiday. This is to honor the dead from the Civil War.
    You want to see the new-age racist, look no further than our many urban areas lower income kids who are groomed from very young ages by the government, schools and family members of how bad it is for them because of the evil whites.
    Go to Hell and don’t come back Red State POS

  96. #96
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:29 pm, RobM1981 said:

    What is wrong with you people? Haven’t you read the liberal definition of racist? To be a racist you must be:

    1. White, preferably, but non-black at a minimum. Southern Whites, in particular, are the best candidates.

    2. A person who earns enough money that they actually pay income taxes. The more money you make, the more likely you are to be a racist.

    3. The only other requirement is that you are accused of being racist by a black person, or a liberal white person with a PROVEN record of being liberal. A black liberal is, again, optimal.

    To summarize: if you are white and a liberal calls you a racist, for any reason, then you are a racist.

    It’s the “racism by fiat” plank of the liberal platform.

  97. #97
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:30 pm, Salt said:

    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:18 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    But if Bill Ayers is even an issue for Barack, then surely Strom Thurmond is for Wilson.

    Yet, something tells me that you don’t believe that Bill Ayers is an issue for Obama while you are pressing that Wilson is a racist for a similar association with Thurmond.

    This type of tit-for-tat argument suggests that maybe maybe you need to re-examine one of these positions.

  98. #98
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:35 pm, beenthere said:

    The era of post-racialism is dead

    Indeed, was there ever any doubt? The question, however, is what reality will replace the fantasy. It’s not just that blacks hate white people. They aren’t terribly happy with hispanics either. And they really dislike Asians. The most likely guess is a new version of segregation. This is particularly plausible given that many radical black leaders (e.g. Obama’s teacher and preacher, Rev. Wright) are neo-segregationist.

  99. #99
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:48 pm, Little Ma said:

    RSS, all you know is revisionist history.

    Southern heritage is honorable. Confederate heritage is honorable.

    Your opinion to the contrary is irrelevant.

  100. #100
    On September 15th, 2009 at 5:50 pm, thetoysurgeon said:

    Check out what the DEMwits did over at Drudgereport..its a joke.

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