Tax grants for jihadi enablers: Another slap in the faces of Lockerbie victims’ family
There are no (non-profane) words for this, via CBS2 Chicago (h/t Andy McCarthy):
The Obama Administration plans to give $400,000 in funding to a Libyan charity run by the Gadhafi family, and U.S. Rep. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) wants the grant withdrawn.
The money would be divided between two foundations run by the family of Libyan leader Muammar Gadhafi. A $200,000 share is set to go to the Gadhafi Development Foundation, which is run by Gadhafi’s son, Saif, and another $200,000 are to go to Wa Attassimou, an organization run by Muammar Gadhafi’s daughter, Aisha.
Kirk says the grants should be withdrawn in light of the recent return to Libya of Pan Am Flight 103 bomber Abdel Baset Megrahi. The terminally ill prisoner was released from in Scotland on compassionate grounds, and got a hero’s welcome from Muammar Gadhafi and other Libyans upon his return.
Saif Gadhafi was involved in negotiating for Megrahi’s release, and accompanied him back to Libya.
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When did the grant originate? The article seems suspiciously vague about it?
Here is a link to the documentation.
It looks like it was appropriated for FY 2009, which would have been signed by Bush, not Obama.
Yes, it should be withdrawn. But don’t you think it possible that Obama had no clue this relatively small amount was even in there?
Says who?
Yes. It’s also more than likely that nobody in the Bush Administration knew it was there, since it would probably have been put in by some Democrat member of the house.
Why are we giving grants to these types of organizations in the first place? Instead of giving money to people that hate us, couldn’t that money be better used here in the U.S.?
I know of a number of charitable foundations here that could use the money and they actually love America.
Hey congress, want to balance the budget? Quit giving money to people that hate us, they’re going to keep hating us either way.
Possibility: Stop ALL this grants? It is not the Federal governments job.
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Genesis 47:13-27 (New International Version)
Joseph and the Famine
13 There was no food, however, in the whole region because the famine was severe; both Egypt and Canaan wasted away because of the famine. 14 Joseph collected all the money that was to be found in Egypt and Canaan in payment for the grain they were buying, and he brought it to Pharaoh’s palace. 15 When the money of the people of Egypt and Canaan was gone, all Egypt came to Joseph and said, “Give us food. Why should we die before your eyes? Our money is used up.”
16 “Then bring your livestock,” said Joseph. “I will sell you food in exchange for your livestock, since your money is gone.” 17 So they brought their livestock to Joseph, and he gave them food in exchange for their horses, their sheep and goats, their cattle and donkeys. And he brought them through that year with food in exchange for all their livestock.
18 When that year was over, they came to him the following year and said, “We cannot hide from our lord the fact that since our money is gone and our livestock belongs to you, there is nothing left for our lord except our bodies and our land. 19 Why should we perish before your eyes—we and our land as well? Buy us and our land in exchange for food, and we with our land will be in bondage to Pharaoh. Give us seed so that we may live and not die, and that the land may not become desolate.”
20 So Joseph bought all the land in Egypt for Pharaoh. The Egyptians, one and all, sold their fields, because the famine was too severe for them. The land became Pharaoh’s, 21 and Joseph reduced the people to servitude, [a] from one end of Egypt to the other. 22 However, he did not buy the land of the priests, because they received a regular allotment from Pharaoh and had food enough from the allotment Pharaoh gave them. That is why they did not sell their land.
23 Joseph said to the people, “Now that I have bought you and your land today for Pharaoh, here is seed for you so you can plant the ground. 24 But when the crop comes in, give a fifth of it to Pharaoh. The other four-fifths you may keep as seed for the fields and as food for yourselves and your households and your children.”
25 “You have saved our lives,” they said. “May we find favor in the eyes of our lord; we will be in bondage to Pharaoh.”
26 So Joseph established it as a law concerning land in Egypt—still in force today—that a fifth of the produce belongs to Pharaoh. It was only the land of the priests that did not become Pharaoh’s.
27 Now the Israelites settled in Egypt in the region of Goshen. They acquired property there and were fruitful and increased greatly in number.
Why the frick is any of my tax dollars going to a foreign charity, Libyan or otherwise?!
Actually chap Obama signed it because the Dems ran continuing resolutions until Obama was sworn in
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/24/continuing-resolutions/
I would also expect my employees to point out potentially embarrassing things like this. Somebody somewhere in government had to know.
Why is this surprising? It’s just a very small part of the huge jizyah we’re paying so ‘mainstream’ Islam will help protect us from their more obviously vicious brethren.
BTW, that is what the wars are about, too. ‘Mainstream’ Islam WANTS us over there fighting their enemies, al qaeda and the taliban, just as they wanted us fighting Serbia in Yugoslavia. And we effectively give them huge amounts of money (paying for things they should be paying for) while we’re at it. Iraq, Iran’s new ally, is floating on a sea of our money in addition to its sea of oil.
Once you get the big picture, none of this is surprising. Revolting and disgusting and infuriating, of course, but not surprising at all.
We. Already. LOST.
Haven’t any of you noticed who our President is? And his manner toward the Islamic leaders?
Our elites have sold us out. It’s that simple.
So we’re actually giving Libya money to deal with their illegal immigrant problem? I have an idea, why don’t we just tell Muammar to make them all citizens and voila, no more illegal immigration problem.
That seems to be the plan around here.
You know, it would seem prudent to have a moratorium on all foreign aid for a period. Unless you subscribe to the Joe Biden school of economics. Spend yourself successful is their strategy.
Given that The State owns everything in Libya and they are awash in oil, why does this charity need $400,000 from the U.S.
Do tell me what we get in return besides Muammar Gadhafi’s appreciation.
This is not passing the smell test.
And after The Won’s speech yesterday about us being no better than anyone in the world, I want to ask “Why are we still giving other nations money?”
It is likely the funds were appropriated during the Bush administration, but that doesn’t mean their specific allocation was determined then.
I see it as a case where State had the money and decided, at a later date — during Osama Obama’s reign — to give all or part to the Libyans.
This smells of the Chicago Jesus’s influence to me.
Everyday, all the time.
Libyan charities! ACORN! National Endowment for Obama Propaganda Art! SEIU!
In the meantime, REAL charities like the Red Cross, Salvation Army, et.al. have to beg for money!
Ohhhhhh….BURN. Walked into that one, didn’t I?
All right. Someone should have pointed this out. And it should be withdrawn. My only point was that it was appropriated before the latest dust-up about the Lockerbie guy. It’s not like the Congress or the Administration or whomever went out in the last month since that guy was released and said “hey…you know what? Let’s throw them another $200K.” Good job on Congressman Kirk for catching it and lets hope the administration responds.
The whole bill was 2.5 million,why are we giving them anything? NO more aid outside of this country.
Glibbs: Er… ahh…I’m not sure if I have dialogged with the President on this. I’ll have to get to you on that.
Yep, bad form giving money to charities run by certain people.
The unfortunate reality is that our foreign aid programs do such things. Our foreign aid programs have historically funded unsavory characters for ages. Yep, even funds provided to Musharraf was eventually taken to task and questioned.
Our normalization of relations with Libya no doubt led to this, however greater invetigations and more detail should be performed before we give money to charity. I suppose, there should be a litmus test of several distinct factors before money is given to charities and countries. Including who runs them and does the money we provide advance our agenda.
Before the election (or even after), anyone who said B Hussein Obama was a closet muslim was in for a tongue-lashing from one of his blind supporters. Looks like the cat’s out of the bag, eh?
Good on you for providing the link.
Good on you for providing the link.
You do not understand the nature of government, Zyzzyg. Any funds generally available for ‘good things’ will always end up getting diverted to where the politician or bureaucrat gets the most benefit rather than to where the American people want it to be.
Under rare circumstances and under bright lights, like when a program is first started, sometimes a government program can work well. For a bit. Otherwise you need a strictly authoritarian system, like in the military, to come anywhere near doing the job the way it’s supposed to be done.
Sure, Obama signed it.
BUT …
The real question is WHO put it in there in the FIRST PLACE!
This is the person(s) that need to be brought out into the SUNLIGHT!
Quadafi has been a dirt bag mass murder for decades, there is no reason to send him any money ever! This was done by an ENEMY of the American people! And this enemy is directing the allocation of funds in congress!
We need to know WHO inserted this item, and then we need to review EVERY other item this person(s) have ever been involved with. They ALL need to be questioned.
Ohhhhhhh, NOW I know why Gadhafi called Obama a son!!
THIS JUST IN:
The UN Security Council has adopted a U.S. SPONSORED resolution committing all nations to working toward a nuclear weapons free world.
Terrorist-Sympathizer-In-Chief
Ha. The UN was also formed to prevent war. I imagine this resolution will have just about as much teeth. The unfortunately news for us is that President Obama is likely to go full speed on our disarmament without much regard to how anyone else responds to it.
Besides, didn’t Gaddafi just get done telling us that the UN security council are the terrorists of the world? The UN is deluding itself it if believes that Kim, Ahmadinejad, Gaddafi, and others like them will care one iota about this resolution.
The UN doesn’t care if anyone else besides the US takes the resolution seriously.
They want us to disarm. And Israel, too, of course.
Even under threat of a strongly worded letter? /sarc
Letter #2 will utilize bold type.
That will intimidate them.
How you managed to conclude what I do, or don’t, know about Government based on what I said escapes me.
The question is, and remains, the funding of charities (and, Governments) run by unsavory people, and how can that possibly happen. I suggested a litmus test might be necessary.
Agreed, there can be migration from the original intent of any funding. That only means that the continued vetting (litmus tests) must also be continued with each new funding request.
Passing or failing the litmus test, means the funds are provided, or not.
In the future avoid suggesting that someone knows, or doesn’t know, about an issue. Asking questions before hand greatly helps in this matter.
I am sorry what I said offended you, Zyzzyg, but your entire response stands in testament to the correctness of my assessment of your failure to understand how government works.
Your thinking is classic big government thinking.
No amount of saying you’ll put in words so they can’t do it will make the money go where it should. No laying down the law so they cannot take the money in the first place unless they have met the requirements will stop them from getting around those rules once the money has been tagged as ‘available.’
Big Government simply does not work.
There will always be migration from the original intent.
My sentiments exactly. We can’t afford to overhaul our healthcare system without killing our senior citizens…but we can send our tax dollars to foreign countries?? And don’t these middle eastern countries have lots of oil?? They don’t need our charity.
I agree. Michelle…can this be investigated???
FIFY
Obama and this administration are spitting in our faces. We are nothing to them. They don’t care about what any of the citizens want. Pitchforks and torches, tar and feathers are too good for these traitors. They all need to be put behind bars for life.
ZZY, you do seem a bit thin-skinned. Toughen up fella!
Spending other people’s money (ours) is so easy. Nothing vile from a democrat surprises me. I expect it.
Yes, just not by anybody with the legal authority to stop it. How much of this money the Chicago Connection can skim is to be seen.
But I am sure the New York Times, Chicago Tribune and the alphabet soup are all over it.
There does seem to be a rather caviler attitude towards HONEST Americans in pain that does cut across Party and ideological lines. These self important Beltway Lifers are all too removed from the flyover. It is time a whole lot of them retire.
I was part of a delegation with Representative JD Hayworth upset over the McCain/Kennedy Amnesty Bill. We met with both Senator McCain and Darth Vader Rove. We had a HUGE list of devastation of to the border counties, Arizona murder rates and such. Mr. Rove asked Representative Hayworth “you don’t like brown people?”
Hate is not too strong a term. Perhaps I was invisible. McCain STILL asks me for money and I still send him a 5 centavo coin.
I acknowledge your apology.
And, no. My thinking is not classic big government thinking. I acknowledged what happens with foreign aid and then suggested there should be a litmus test. To wit – Don’t give away money when it violates our principles. I later added that there should be continued subsequent vetting.
I would not characterize that as big government thinking. I am saying STOP pouring money down a rabbit hole when you realize the funding has gone to the wrong person and/or not for it’s intended purpose. I would characterize that as wise spending for government, individuals, or compaies. Do you agree?
I understand your pessimism, and yes there is waste, fraud and abuse. I do not accept it and believe it should always be sought out and stopped. Rep Kirk, obviously, believes this too, and it is why we know about this issue.
Will Qaddafi’s family recieve the money? I do not know, but it is important to remain vigilant to ensure that our foreign aid continues to be used properly and advances our agenda.
Zyzzyg, your mind keeps veering away from the reality I am attempting to point out to you.
Yes, sure, of course if we are going to pile money into something that sounds good, then we should put all kinds of safeguards to prevent waste, fraud and abuse. Of course we should “make sure” the funds go where we originally intend they go. Of course we should strictly determine to not let the purpose of the funds get diverted or perverted with litmus tests or whatever.
It. Does. Not. Work. EVER. For anything but a short period of time. Once we agree we ‘should’ spend money on the ‘good thing,’ it quickly goes bad.
Discussing it in the fashion you keep insisting on doing is exactly what “big government thinking” is.
The government has no business taxing us for anything except the defense of our rights. When it does, most of the money is stolen and/or wasted. Always. We know this. Just look.
If you still do not see what I am saying, I will let the matter drop.
Try again, bub. Those were funds reprogrammed to Libya under the authority of the Omnibus Appropriations Act of 2009, signed by Obama. The attachment to the letter from Mark Kirk, which was dated September 15, 2009, and which originated in the Obama State Department, was the required notification to Congress of the reprogramming.
Thanks for playing the “It’s BOOOOOOOSH’S Fault Game”, but you get no take-home prizes.
But wait, it gets a whole lot better (and by “better”, I mean “worse”):
- Said also personally supervised negotiations with the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, which had officially joined with Al Qaeda.
- Aisha is also a real piece of work; not only did her group awarded Muntazer al-Zaidi, noted shoe-chucker, a “courage” award, she served on Saddam Hussein’s defense team.
We really need a comment-editing feature here; I somehow left the wrong tense on a verb.
Considering he claims to have no clue about quite a few things, including knowing Ayers, Rezko or how much money has been shoveled at ACORN, I wouldn’t be surprised if he claimed he didn’t know about this.
Or any number of charities helping wounded veterans.
I’d like to hear whatever nitwit made the decision to given them this money explain this.
This may have something to do with a quid pro quo Money to Libyan charity/Gadahfi Lockerbie prisoner released. How does Scotland fit into this? Did Scotland get anything for releasing the terrorist?
The multi-billion dollar British Petroleum deal with Libya.