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Likewise I’m sure.

I think it just confirms in my mind the idea of a soul is at the center of this. Naturally my mind is made up on this. However, I can see how you would think the way you do if you thought a soul entered the egg upon fertilization. That is what you believe is it not?

I don’t expect that you will return but I hope I’ve given you something to think about.

Likewise I’m sure.

But hey, what of it’s potential? I thought you were the one all about future potential. (see ECS) Convenient flip flop.

Don’t be silly. There’s a sperm cell in you right now and an egg cell in a woman you don’t know that has potential to combine to become a unique human being. You better go find this woman and sleep with her otherwise you are taking away this child’s only chance at life!

In any event, there’s no flip flop at all. I am talking about two entirely different kinds of potential. In the one sense, potential for life-saving medicine, and in the other sense, the potential exsistance of a human mind that does not yet exist. Come on. You can do better.

We are. But I have to go now. I don’t know when I’ll be able to post for a while.

I am sorry to hear this. I don’t expect that you will return but I hope I’ve given you something to think about.

On October 2nd, 2009 at 4:09 pm, zeroangel said:
…or a heart for that matter. It’s a clump of cells, literally.

But hey, what of it’s potential? I thought you were the one all about future potential. (see ECS) Convenient flip flop.

Oh don’t be like that. I thought we were having a civil conversation on a Friday afternoon.

We are. But I have to go now. I don’t know when I’ll be able to post for a while.

You win. You know when human life begins and I don’t. Kill away.

Oh don’t be like that. I thought we were having a civil conversation on a Friday afternoon. It’s an objective fact that a human needs a brain to have a mind.

I can’t imagine you would say that a completely (and I mean completely, zero brain activity save for the brain-stem) brain-dead person that is in every sense of the word a vegetable should be considered “alive” simply because the heart still beats.

How then, can you call something without a single neuron, “alive?”

Surely, you can agree that an objective point in the development of a fetus would be when at least one neuron forms? No?

To do so at some other point in time after such, is arbitrary and subjective.

No, that’s not completely accurate. Let’s err on the side of extreme caution and say the point at which at least a single neuron differentiates (ok two neurons, you need synapses after all). That is well after the blastocyst stage and is not subjective. At least there you have something that would later make up a CNS.

And you will forever be erring on the side of death for the future unknown.

Nonsense. There is no mind to kill in a blastocyst. In any case, as stated, you would insist that parents that desire IVF bare multiples (risking death), you insist couples that use IUDs are murders, and you deny very promising life saving research. You are the one on the side of death.

I have a brain, feelings, memories, thoughts, an idea of self. A blastocyst has none of those things, at all. No more than my skin cell.

I cannot define the begining of human life other than the miracle of the fertilized egg. To do so at some other point in time after such, is arbitrary and subjective. Until such time that your idea of human life and mine coincide, we will forever be at odds. And you will forever be erring on the side of death for the future unknown.

You deny research that could very well lead to huge medical breakthroughs. It doesn’t matter is the technology is years away, it’s still possible.

You deny couples that could not otherwise have children the chance to have children without having to likely have absurd numbers of multiples as opposed to one child.

You deny couples that might not be ready for children a near ironclad method of birth control.

Why? All because you regard a thing that is no more a thinking, conscious, living entity then a Myxozoa (the most simple animal I can think of) as a “human life.” Its positively absurd and does not err on the side of life.

How about I kill you now, so that some bum can live down the road later? Sounds equitable to me.

I have a brain, feelings, memories, thoughts, an idea of self. A blastocyst has none of those things, at all. No more than my skin cell.