Now it’s “anti-gay” to describe safe school czar’s failures
This is just a prelude to another left-wing attempt to criminalize conservatism:
Next, they’ll accuse critics of creating a climate of hate and inciting violence — and endangering Jennings’ life.
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Oh, good grief. The lunatics are everywhere! They are SO overplaying their hand!
The short story is that conservatives aren’t allowed to say anything about anyone they have questions about unless it is another conservative…
It is just another step in the criminalization of conservative ideas.
Basically, the left just demands we sit down and shut up in the back of the room while they destroy the nation.
After reading somewhere that the code word “safe” is to be used by the pro-homosexual crowd in order to get their propaganda and indoctrination tools into the public school system by stealth, it comes as no surprise that this so called gay “school safety czar” was appointed to this position.
I find myself now reading the local newspapers and elementary school bulletins to see which new “safety” programs are going to be implemented in our local school system wondering if they are really concerned with safety or are pushing another liberal agenda.
Every czar appointed by Obama has a lot of baggage they bring to the table – gays, communists, socialists, racists, eugenticists, tax cheats – the who gamut of fringe idealogues seems to be covered.
When are the more moderate Dems and the yellow journalists on ABC, NBC, and CBS going to wake up and take a look at the company Obama keeps. It speaks volumes.
This is not new. Ever seen the Vagina Monologues? The left has been turning a blind eye to gay adult-child relationships for a long time. And when one looks at that Polanski douchebag, we can now include straight, and by “straight I mean, you know, “normal” relationships between adults and children.
Sexual freedom is the only freedom progressives care about.
So being against statutory rape is anti-gay? Which part are they defending, the gay part or that statutory rape should be legal? The NAMBLA defense?
The “gays” (my aunt Gay would have resented that term) always have wanted Man-Boy “love” despite their lying denials. So no, they would not be upset with Kevin Jennings NOT reporting-to them his “failure” was not jumping the lad right there and then.The “climate of hate and inciting violence” almost always comes from the “gays” themselves; they grab a straights crotch and scream bloody murder if the man drops them on their already sore butt.
Several years ago a Phoenix policeman predicted Man-Boy sex would be the next “Liberation Movement”. I did not believe him but it does seem to becoming true. What is this fascination PBHO seems to have with Sexual Predators?
The only thing I can think of about me of be ‘anti’ is bho, team, and the dc bunch. It seems almost every human around bho has major issues of some kind. He, mo, and jarrett did a good job finding the lowest of the lowest to be around them.
L
NAMBLA IS the “gay” community.
Kevin Jennings: making our schools safe for child rapist. What is the sense of being a Czar without the perks?
So, Anti-NAMBLA is now anti-gay? Well, I guess I am anti-gay then.
I was going to say ’speaking of NAMBLA’ but I won’t, and just say
where’s lgm?
Race card is broke ?
Imagine! Condemning people who ARE anti-gay BEING anti-gay! What will they say next??
It’s been a slow, if positive, evolution of how the right can get away with criticizing homosexuality. It used to be the Phyllis Schlafly overt homophobia. Then it was verboten to condemn people for making the “mistake” of being gay but OK to make their sex acts illegal. Then you couldn’t say their sex acts should be outlawed, but you could say it’s an issue of states rights. Unfortunately, it is still acceptable to say that gays should not have the same marital and anti-discrimination rights as heterosexuals, and that schoolchildren should not be taught not to kick the sh*t out of homosexuals… but we’re getting there.
Open conjecture:
How does Kevin Jennings make his school safe from Nambla and pedarasts?
A: Takes the day off and moves to DC
That is very true.
Finding deeply flawed, unsuitable and unqualified people serving in this administration is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Now I’ve done it…I’m promoting violence and I’m anti-fish.
Funny, last I looked it was the liberals who were the violent ones — biting fingers off, etc.
RSS, skip the gender and do the math. It’s pretty elementary.
That we’re racist, and facist, and sexist, and ageist, and ….
Fishist.
See what happens when the majority empowers the special interests?
First, we empower the black population by electing an incompetent black man to the highest office in the land. What does he did next was not unexpected?
He surrounded himself with other like-minded incompetents, corrupt special interest types (promoted, it would seem, from within the squalor of leftist politics,) and others with, not unlike himself and his wife, a biting hatred for mainstream America, it’s conservative values, and love of normal healthy relationships.
This far left minority is single-handedly destroying;
Traditional family values.
Public education.
International relations.
Internal relations.
Political civility.
Morality and ethics in everyday life.
Businesses.
Monetary system.
Common sense solutions for simple problems.
Caveat emptor! is a message we should all remember come re-election time. Repetitiously doing the same things over and over again (electing politicians who make grandiose promises we know they won’t keep), and expecting different results is insane! Let’s get some sanity, and adults back in office come next election.
so RSS–law enforcement is anti-gay?
Want to shack up with someone?
Go ahead.
Want to name someone as a beneficiary?
Go ahead.
Want to designate someone as having durable healthcare power of attorney and such?
Go ahead.
But, don’t try to change biology and the meaning of words, and tell the rest of us that we’re wrong for not accepting what you want.
Marriage – not beneficiary designation, not sharing a house, not power of attorney, but marriage – , by definition, is for heterosexuals only, just as 2 + 2 = 4…despite how ferociously one might say it is not.
Yellow journalists…
Yellow because of the color down the back of their spine or yellow because of the puddle they leave at their feet whenever confronted with making the proper and ethical choice of running with the story?
Jus’ sayin’…
These people are just pissing me off….
And that causes stress-you need a stress reliever . It should straighten out these perverts
Yes it is, I am glad to clear that up for you Pinky. Feel better?
I didn’t know that enabling statutory rape was a gay “right”. Hmmm. Learn something new every day.
I wonder if Rahm Emanuel gives ballet lessons to this guy in his spare time?
Just curious.
If the allegations concerning Mr. Jennings are true, then every human being on earth should be “anti-gay”.
Jennings should have at least fired for his failure to report the crime. And at the most jailed for his failure to act.
He had a job that included protecting children who were thought to be or known to be in harms way. He failed to protect that kid. He should have been charged according.
When I was a lad, Homosexuality was considered a mental disorder.
Hollywood homosexuals hid in the closet.
Homosexuals “discovered” their sexual preference in college, after they had left Mommy and Daddy.
Revulsion was the tried-and-true response to a homosexual advance.
Now, being “gay” is the new cultural elitism.
If you’re not gay, it means you live in a double-wide, buy your clothes at Wal-Mart, and wear socks with your sandals.
How could thing morph so extremely in such a few short years?
And certainly not given a post in our federal gov’t with responsibility for any part of our education system.
But in Liberal/Progressive world… it’s all good. Pedophiles are a protected class.
Some how this isn’t suprising that critizing a gay school employee for their failure to protect a student from a sexual predator would happen by playing the “homophobia card” by RSS or the liberal left.
Yeah, it makes as much as sense as calling people who disagree with obama racist just for having a different point of view.
/rant off.
GSP
It doesn’t matter if he’s gay, black, or white – he’s still incompetent in my sight! I mean, we can’t have a guy like Jennings as “safe” schools czar; i.e., a guy who was not only incapable of recognizing a statutory rape crime, but also chose not to report this crime. Jennings must go!
Hell, I would settle for one of these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillory
You just watch it there mister! It’s a comfort thing.
Over- or under- the sandals?
That’s soooo gay!
Reading that article just makes Jennings sound worse. Mister “Fisting” needs to take a hard look at himself and see how low he has actually sunk.
It’s just over its
creditcredibility limit.Millions of lifelong Democrats continue to spastically vote Democrat no matter how psychotic the party has become and no matter how much its leaders spit on them.
Millions of one parent children (largely effectively parentless if the one parent works) have grown up feral or something close to it. They vote Democrat when they vote.
Scum continually winning leads to more scum in the political pool, and decent people all get out. Otherwise decent people who stay in lose their way and start compromising with scum as a way of life.
Laws are changed. Democrat appointed judges actively promote the degeneration. And so on.
And of course there are the ‘teachers’ and the ‘journalists’ and the airhead celebrities and the lawyers …….
It’s amazing we’ve held up this long.
Wow, aren’t you all over the place. Schoolchildren do not kick the sh*t out of homosexuals since they are just children.
“Still acceptable to say … ” Ever hear of free speech? I have a right for example to say that call it what you want, but IT IS NOT SEX. It is more akin to masterbation.
As far as marriage rights, they have the same right to marry somebody of the opposite sex. If they want to act married to someone of the same sex they have that right. They don’t have the right to change the definition of the term.
I think YOU need to come to grips with people who disagree with your world view.
So I can only criticize straight criminals?
Please teach me the rules, RSS.
Is gay pedophelia ok RSS? THAT is the issue here. Don’t attempt to deflect. Or in the words of the great Oracle “it isn’t rape-rape”. Or was that cornholio?
Like the Japanese?
I don’t have any problem with that.
Liberals are conservatives minus reason and personal accountability.
Since this is an education-related forum I’ll post it as an equation:
L = C – (R + Ap)
RSS proves this every time he posts…
Kinder and gentler just doesn’t hack it.
It allows the tyranny of the minority. The Gay agenda IS a Liberal agenda.
And people like Jennings are the patron saints of Libertine excess.
My kids’ high school had a Gay/Lesbian youth club, but “Youth For Christ” was banned.
So, you’re in favor of statutory rape. Got it.
Uh……Uh………Zori’s and Geta’s aren’t sandal sandals.
On October 1st, 2009 at 3:45 pm, Roland said:
True, but some are seeing the light. While I was up North this summer, I talked with a couple of in-laws who have been die-hard Democrats since I’ve known them (and undoubtedly voted for Obama). They’re starting to sound like Rush Limbaugh.
Fixed that missing word.
I am going to start using the left’s playbook against them, and their anti-Americanism.
The people that describe Jennings’ critics as “anti-gay” are;
anti-straight,
anti-conservative,
anti-law enforcement, and
anti-accountibility.
They are anti anything good, or wholesome.
They are anti-family, and anti-tradition…that makes them anti-American in my book.
Problem is, we’ve been sticking with our principles for years, including our belief that everyone has the right to free speech – and the left has been using it against us to implement their agenda. Time for some serious pushback – not only through the tea parties and against Obamacare and socialism, but against all of the agenda – including so-called homosexual rights. We can start by dispensing with the term “gay” to describe homosexuals. They’re the least gay (i.e. happy) people I know.
Right on, Right_on!
An accurate summary.
Another accurate summary.
BTW, you could certainly expand the pool to which your summary applies.
Aw, come on, Hangfire. They’re identified as Japanese sandals, and they wear tabi socks with them.
Just trying to poke a little fun; the people who are crying racist and homophobe are tiresome in the extreme. That they resort to throwing those incendiary terms around is evidence of their vacuousness.
On October 1st, 2009 at 3:17 pm, Hangfire said:
The radical activists got a playbook from a couple of propaganda experts. The rank-and-file have been going along for the ride, following the script laid out for them.
Remember, the Left as a whole is playbook and template driven since they have their individuality destroyed at a formative age.
The template for every one of their radical social movements is the civil rights movement of the 1960s, which unlike the 1950s had more roots in Gramscian/Frankfurt School cultural Marxism than in the Christian-driven slavery abolition movement of the mid-1800s.
Supurb summary, right_on.
I might add that they’re anti-child and anti-childhood. I don’t think those need elaboration.
How is it anti-gay to question Jennings’s failure to report a crime when he himself has stated that he wished he handled it differently?
They are if you wear them with a white wifebeater and plaid Bermuda shorts.
Guess what?
I just don’t care what the nutroots think.
On October 1st, 2009 at 4:37 pm, Wayfaring Stranger said:
You got me good. I love it!
That’s why I gave a Whoopi answer answer.
I’m anti gay, if by “anti gay” you mean being against an adult male taking advantage of a 15 year old boy in a sexual way. Kinda like Mayor Sam Adams of Portland, Oregon.
Oh wait, Sam Adams waited until he was 16. My bad.
I almost asked if you were channeling her, but I still don’t know everyone here well enough to be sure – so I chickened out.
It’s not about the color of one’s skin. It’s not about the orientation of one’s sexuality. It’s about the content of one’s character.
I don’t care what Jennings’ sexual orientation is. He was a teacher who failed to adequately protect a fifteen-year-old student from being sexually exploited by an adult. In my opinion, he’s no better than the scum who support Roman Polanki, the famous movie-maker and raper of a drugged thirteen-year-old girl.
Now keep telling me I’m anti-gay.
ECS
Ok, lets see if I have this right:
If you’re against fiscal irresponsibility you’re racist
If you’re against pedophilia you’re a homophobe
Did I get it wrong?
Don’t forget if you say it isn’t rape rape you can be a child advocate and spokeswoman for ToysRUs!
Words are used by the left, to elicit an emotional respose, not to further a discussion. Rather than use words in a descriptive manner, they use them to feed guilt, or feelings of guilt, within those with whom they disagree.
No one, liberals included, wants to view themselves as bad, clueless, ignorant, closed-minded, injust, unfair, compassionless, unwelcoming, dishonest, immoral, afraid of the seemingly benign (homophobic), xenophobic, etc. That is the main reason the “label mentality” is so often used to move thought, by negative emotion.
The left is motivated by hatred, envy, and jealousy. That is why I believe they have such a hard time expressing themselves using logic. It also explains their liberal usage of projection, and their inability to acknowledge their complicity.
I think the biggest problem we face as a just people, is when minority special interests obtain power, and abuse that power. As we are now seeing, that kind of power breeds corruption, feeds it, and if left unchallenged, will grow even more corruptly, drunk with disassociative authority, until a massive change in direction is affected by law abiding citizens who have reached their limits.
I think, many of us are at that point now. I know I am.
Agreed.
When I first heard about Kevin Jennings’ failure to report the homosexual sexual relationship of the 15 year old boy, I didn’t know that he was black or homosexual, but I did know that I don’t want him as a safe school? czar. I wrote to my Senator and told him I wanted him to ask for an investigation of the man.
I also agree with txvet2 on the use of the word gay. I try not to use it when talking about the perversion that is homosexuality. I don’t advocate kicked the s**t out of them or doing any kind of violence to them, but we don’t have to buy what they are selling and words mean something. Let’s make gay the same as the n word and not use it to describe the homosexuals. Let the Pro-homosexual group use that term and then we will know who they are.
So, apparently, Red State Skeptic is OKAY with rape so long as the perpetrator is gay.
If calling these *deviants* deviants and perverted and standing up for morals is “anti-gay” then I guess I’m anti-gay. There I said it, I believe “alternate lifestyles” are a detriment to society. I believe they ruin family morality. I believe that if we don’t stand against it, our country is going to keep going to the gutter. Conservatives, QUIT ACCEPTING IT!! It’s not a biological trait, it’s a choice!!! a BAD EVIL CHOICE!
If the extreme lefties continue to force this post-modern culture into reasonable peoples’ faces, it will backfire bigtime. Be on the alert for Hate Crimes legislation, which is on the horizon to legally squelch any and all dissenting opinions.
Go ahead. It’s your soul, not mine.
And by your same logic, apparently, you are OKAY with kids getting the crap kicked out of them so long as the victim is gay.
It’s not. The issue is that the far right are equating his efforts to discourage kids from beating up gay students as “promoting homosexuality in schools,” as is clearly detailed in the Media Matters link above, which provides over a half-dozen quotes from the likes of Hannity and Limbaugh saying just that. If you think this particular work is so bad it should disqualify Jennings from his appointment, then why yes, you are anti-gay.
If the outrage was just about him failing to report statutory rape, then why not just leave it at that? It’s a perfectly legitimate criticism of someone who claims to care about children’s safety. The “promoting homosexuality” crap completely undermines their credibility. Hand overplayed.
Where was that implied or explicitly stated? At least with RSS, his accusation of us being anti-gay for criticizing a teacher who failed to report sexual abuse (and that’s what it is considered when any man over the age of 18 has sexual relations with a minor – male or female). That implies that we can’t criticize someone who failed to do his legal duty in protecting a child because he’s gay and that the crime really is no big deal (again, because the persons involved are gay).
Bullying in schools is a problem. But the bullies should be stopped regardless of whether their target is (presumed) gay, dresses “funny”, wears glasses, is heavy set, has acne, or any of the other myriad reasons kids are bullied. Why is it any more disappointing or wrong for a kid to be beat up because he’s (presumed) gay than it is for a kid to be beat up because he’s shy or nerdy or wears hand-me-downs?
The problem here is the double standard – the “some are more equal than others” mentality that seems to infiltrate the left. Why does homosexuality, and the protection thereof, trump the rights and safety and dignity of others?
Because, frankly, lots of us are getting sick and tired of simultaneously being told what others do with their groins is none of our business while the exact same people love to shove their sexuality in our faces. I don’t see any “Heterosexual Pride” parades where attendance is compulsory for public servants, no straight versions of the perverted Folsom Street Fair (graphic link).
Radical, gay activist groups trash our churches, mock our most sacred beliefs, and attempt to take away our actual rights to free expression of religion…and we’re just supposed to shut up and take it? We’re supposed to accept when people like you, and RSS, accuse us of being anti-gay and pro-gay beating?
I. DON’T. THINK. SO.
I believe gay people are worthy of respect and dignity, as are all human beings. But I have no obligation or desire to encourage them to live a lifestyle that’s physically, emotionally, and spiritually damaging to them NOR do I have an obligation to support the undermining of an institution (marriage) that has been recognized in similar forms throughout the world for centuries NOR do I have an obligation to expose my children to sex education that includes lessons on homosexuality.
I’m not accusing you of being anti-gay, I’m pointing out the flaw in your logic. We are both filling in the gaps with our own interpretations and leaping to absurd conclusions. Unless you can show me where RSS says or even implies he’s okay with homosexual rape, my comment stands.
..and police officers charged with maintaining public safety raid gay bars and beat the crap out of their patrons. Neither is excusable, although personally I would take a little vandalism over permanent brain damage. Let me know when something like this happens at a church and I will condede your point.
First, the Folsom Street Fair is a “sexuality neutral” event. In fact the majority of participants are heterosexual. There is a mostly-gay version of the Folsom Street Fair called the Dore Alley Street Fair but for whatever reason no one seems to care about it. More information than you need, I’m sure.
Regarding gay pride, what you fail to understand is that the reason gay people feel compelled to celebrate “pride” (or more precisely, lack of shame) in their sexuality is because some people go out of their way to make them feel as though they should be ashamed of themselves. I’m fairly confident that, if given the choice, most gay people would relinquish their annual pride celebrations if people would stop spreading ignorant crap like, hmmmm, let’s see here… this:
If you ever stop to wonder why homosexuality is “emotionally and spiritually damaging,” look no further than right there.
Um, perhaps I’m not as worldly as you, but the pictures posted here (again, extremely graphic) don’t look “sexuality neutral” and they certainly don’t look heterosexual (unless the definition has changed…). So I don’t buy that argument for a second.
And that’s someone’s opinion. Sorry, but people say a lot of nasty things about Catholics, whites, conservatives, “breeders” (people who have kids)…yet I have the courage of my convictions not to expect the government to legislate to make my choices acceptable to those who don’t like it. If you need some law to shut up people who make you feel bad, the problem is far deeper than any law can ultimately protect.
If you think for a second you’re going to rid the world of people who disagree with you, or even say things that hurt your feelings, I have news for you: it isn’t going to happen.
When did I say I do want this? You certainly seem to relish your own sense of victimhood, as you do here time and time again, so it’s rather strange you are using this as a line of attack. But if you think someone having her cross destroyed by a mean, angry gay is somehow equivalent to being beaten senseless by the police for being in a gay bar, then you are rather delusional.
It’s evident you are willing to believe only that which conforms to your world view and disregard things that challenge it, so I’m not going to get into a debate with you over what I have witnessed with my own two eyes vs. a page of select images compiled by a person who clearly has a bone to pick with gay people and liberals in general. By all means, continue to believe what you wish.
No dear, that’s my life, and my friends’ lives as well. Tell me, have you had family members disown you for being Catholic? Had your friends talk about how much they hate Catholics while you had to sit there and keep your mouth shut and hope no one ever found out that’s what you were? Well guess what, I have experienced just that, and it’s not fun.
But one blessing that comes of all this is a sense of overwhelming compassion for others (something I was under the impression Christians were supposed to excel at). If you can overcome the hatred and abuse and shunning and come out the other alive, it helps shape you into a much stronger person. But it doesn’t feel that way when it’s actually happening to you. So I guess I should thank you for all the hard work you do to make life difficult for people like me, and hope (along with you) that your children do not make the same “BAD EVIL CHOICE” I did.
Funny how not once you condemn those behaviors you say were in the minority. So now sexually explicit acts in public are OKAY? Either the standard is we stay out of the bedrooms or they keep oral sex in the confines of their home; not a street in public where CHILDREN are present.
And it’s really interesting you attack me for disregarding things which challenge my worldview when – for not a second – do you acknowledge or consider the worldview I’m presenting as a challenge to yours.
Yes, as a matter of fact I have. I had a friend who once walked out of a date about 15 minutes into it because the guy was Catholic, who hates the Pope and teaching in general. I had friends who refused to attend my wedding because I’m Catholic and – to them – marriage is not a sacrament and my marriage is invalid. Same with family. I’m “brainwashed” and “stupid” for believing in the Catholic Church. I was “forced” to convert. On a daily basis the media slams Catholics and Catholic teaching.
My attitude is “screw ‘em”…I believe they are wrong and I am right. I confront them when I can, ignore them when they won’t listen. I let them be because my faith is also my life, too. I cannot separate them any more than you can separate yourself from your orientation. And their incorrect views on my faith aren’t going to undermine my beliefs.
The difference is I don’t go running to Congress or the Courts for extra protections or legislation to stop them from being jackasses. Because, see, people like that are always going to exist. You can’t legislate or hate-crime them away.
Compassion is not the same as tolerance and is not the same as acceptance. I have compassion that you have a sexual attraction that makes life difficult. But I cannot tolerate or accept what I consider sinful behavior. Remember that word: BEHAVIOR. You, personally, are not evil because of your orientation. I do not believe you are condemned to hell or are otherwise sub-human. You, however, are muddling Catholic teaching with the more generic, Protestant, Fred Phelps view on homosexuality.
Catholicism believes that homosexuality may/may not be intrinsic. That – in and of itself – is no more sinful or evil than being heterosexual. It’s just an orientation.
What is the problem is when you – or I, when I was unmarried (or any unmarried person) – act on those attractions. See, Catholic teaching holds everyone to the exact same standard: sexual activity outside of marriage is a sin. It’s not more of a sin because it’s homosexual activity or less of a sin because it’s heterosexual. The Catholic Church does not condone violence toward homosexuals, nor does it condone unjust discrimination (in employment, for example) against homosexuals. We acknowledge them as human beings deserving of love and respect.
Sex is to be ordered toward the good and confined to a life-giving, loving, sacramental marriage – something that not everyone (gay or straight) can enter into. I am not inclined to agree with, nor am I responsible to, other denominations of Christianity that teach otherwise. It may enlighten you to know the same people who call you “evil” also think we Catholics are bedding with the Whore of Satan (the Catholic Church) and Satan himself (the Pope).
And – only slightly less important than my faith – what I really have a problem with is how the homosexual agenda runs roughshod over our school curricula, our free speech, our right to set the cultural norms and mores which we adhere to via the democratic process (because, logically, not just blue haired octogenarians are voting in favor of marriage amendments – to pass as widely as they have, people from ALL demographics have to be voting…especially for them to pass in blue states like CA or my home state of WI). I have a problem when the rights of parents are trumped by this agenda, when the right of churches and independent persons to freely express and practice their faith are threatened by this agenda, I have a problem with adding homosexual behavior to the curricula in any school (I believe sex ed should be taught by parents in the home, not the schools – along with lots of other “make work” classes offered today).
I again ask why a “safe schools czar” needs to have an emphasis on making schools safer solely for students who are presumed to be gay by their peers? Do others not of a homosexual orientation deserve a safe learning environment, too?
You seem to be under the impression I support hate crime legislation. I’m not sure what I said to make you believe that, but I do not. I also do not approve of people having sex in the street. This may be difficult for you to believe when the majority of your understanding of gay people comes from pornographic websites, but we’re not all deviants.
I support the will of the voting public, however you should be aware that Prop 8 was only about how we define the word “marriage.” I presume once everyone settles on a different word for it, you will return the favor and respect the democratic process when voters approve gay anything-but-marriage in the next couple years.
Gay people just want to have their families recognized by the state (This is where you guys get to piously cite the “separation of church and state.” No one can force your church to recognize gay couples or perform gay marriages any more than a Muslim or Satan-worshipping couple can – churches are allowed to “discriminate” as they see fit, so long as they do not accept any tax dollars) and have the basic rights that go along with it. Could you imagine going to visit your spouse lying in their death bed, only to be turned away because you are not “family?” You may believe our families are inferior to yours, our actions sinful, but we still exist, we still have the capacity to love, and these kinds of things still happen to us. How can you reconcile this sort of discrimination with your belief that gay people deserve “love and respect” like everyone else? Gay marriage is not about forcing people to accept us, it’s about our families being treated equally under the law.
I understand how difficult it had to be for you to be shunned for converting. Now can you imagine what it would feel like to be treated that way while living in a world where you are part of a fractured, often hidden minority, and to constantly have to defend and validate your existence against charges of being “sick” and “evil,” not for what you believe but for what you are, what you always have been? I don’t care what the Catholic Church teaches you about whether homosexuality is “intrinsic,” I am telling you it is based on my own experience. My only “choice” was to either muster the courage to accept myself and all the challenges that go with it, or live a self-destructive lie that could eventaully cause serious emtional harm to others (think Ted Haggard). I have no question whatsoever the “choice” I made was the correct one for someone in my position.
I can tell by your words and your beliefs you are a deeply caring and loving person, and I appreciate your willingness to parse out the views of your church from that of the likes of Fred Phelps (although for the record my family is deeply, deeply Catholic on my dad’s side, however they are also extremely liberal, so I know that Catholics are better at reconciling their beliefs with reality than others may be). My apologies if I have misconstrued your views, but it’s easy to do when you are part of an online community where hateful comments against gays are not uncommon and go unchallenged by the greater majority.
Now if you don’t mind, I would like to close out this discussion, offer you a truce, and agree to disagree with you about these matters. I do not like to have negative energy between me and another person, even a faceless pseudonym on my computer screen. I know there is nothing I can ever say to change your mind, although I do appreciate the passion of your convictions and your willingness to take the time to debate with me.
I will certainly agree to end the discussion on the terms that we will not see eye-to-eye on this.
Thank you for your willingness to understand where my convictions come from because we’re not all the same (and, seriously, Fred Phelps and his “church” – really his family more than anything – are a band of f-ing, abusive, certifiable nutters. I can’t emphasize that enough).
Thank you.