Tall tale of the day: The First Lady’s weird Olympic memory
From Michelle Obama’s failed pitch to the International Olympic Committee:
“Some of my best memories are sitting on my dad’s lap, cheering on Olga and Nadia, Carl Lewis, and others for their brilliance and perfection.”
Um. Ew. Oof.
Mrs. Obama was 20 years old when Lewis first competed in the Olympics in 1984.
Senior White House adviser and Chicago slumlord overseer Valerie Jarrett promised earlier this week that “there wouldn’t be a dry eye in the room” after FLOTUS spoke.
She probably wasn’t expecting tears of…laughter.
Mrs. O is looking more and more like Mrs. Clinton every day.
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I just had to laugh yesterday.Hearing all of the MSM telling how it was in the bag,because of rock stars Michelle and Barack.Then to hear them sputter and almost choke was priceless.I’m sure the people in the poor foreign countries had a hard time hearing Michelle’s tale of woe in her life.Wow,she has it so rough.Did you hear Hilary at some event saying how she liked the sound of them saying madame president? Watch out
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Correction: OEF (Afghanstan)
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PP is right on many levels and it is up to us to take control and remind those in D.C. that they work for us. It is far past time to vote for people who do not claim party ties.
What has the two-party system morphed into? We see small groups dictating what is right and wrong (in their eyes) and then forcing it down the rest of our throats. Their media spin doctors aid and abet in the “good versus evil” approach. And the uninformed masses bite into the crap sandwiches presented from both “sides” and ask for more.
As good citizens, we must engage others (neighbors, co-workers, etc) and help to educate and debate the real issue – who do you want controlling your future?
Personally, I want a Representative or Senator that thinks of himself as an American first, a fiscal conservative second, an Arizonan third, and his party affiliation somewhere down the list after tenth. Part of the backing of these candidates should include the creation of a committee of average informed citizens to remind the candidate where his true loyalties should reside.
Exactly!! Conservatives are very informed. But Republicans aren’t. The Republicans will still vote Republican, no matter what. We can’t defeat the liberals that way! Seriously, we just can’t!
Yes, ideally we should support those candidates who are conservative, no matter what the party affiliation is. But have you ever heard of a conservative on the democrat ticket? EVER? We need to clean up the GOP platform and insist that the GOP candidates adhere to the party platform. Small government, fiscal responsibility, social conservatism, energy expansion (you know, drill here, drill now!!), Protect our borders and get rid of illegals, and MILITARY MIGHT!! If they would get back to that, we could all support them. Every time I get a fundraising “survey” in the mail, I send it back with those comments and tell them to work on those issues and THEN get back to me. Until then, NO MONEY. I feel like I am shouting a lot today. Got.to.get.a.grip.
I re-read Obama’s speech to the Olympic Committee. I had actually watched it as it happened because I couldn’t sleep. It was purely accidental…I would never have interrupted my sleep for that fool. Anyway, I was struck at the time by how incredibly egotistic the speech sounded and remember thinking that the moron was going to turn the committee off, big time. I was right. Now, re-reading his speech, I am convinced he is so narcissistic that he really DOES think he is the savior of this country. He really scares me!
How a third party would do I do not know-no real big changes since the Whigs went away. But with the McCainiacs and Obaminites irritating our people 24/7/365 this COULD be the decade for a third party-a Constitutional Conservative Party.
Any pretense of Constitutional Fealty in the Democratic Party is toast and not really strong in the Republican Party. Who knows, could weepy whiny Michelle and BabyDaddy be our catalyst? Could we send ACORN leaders a bouquet of roses-in jail?
I can dream, I can. Sadly I believe the America I loved has left me.
I was seven years old in the summer of ’72. _Maybe_ I sat on my dad’s lap when Olga won the gold. Can’t remember. But I did not sit on his lap four years later in ’76 and certainly not eight years after that in ’84. The press hasn’t said much about what was apparently a genuinely sentimental appeal from the head of the Spanish delegation, the ex-IOC president.
No doubt he wrote it himself.
happyscrapper,
You got me.
I’m busted.
I could have sworn I sat with Michelle and Barrack Obama watching on a flat screen plasma color HDTV as Jim Thorpe won his Olympic Gold Medals, and as Johnny Weismueller won his Olympic Swimming Gold Medals.
WATCH FOX NEWS SPECIAL
Sunday night at 6 PM. 10/04/2009
This Sunday, Fox News is going to air a very important documentary about Barack Obama.
The report will go back to Obama’s earlier days, showing (even then) his close ties to radical Marxist professors, friends, spiritual advisers, etc. It will also reveal detail his ties to Rev. Wright for 20+ yrs. How he was participating with this man, and not for the reasons he states!
The report has uncovered more of Obama’s radical past and we will see things that no one in the media is willing to put out there. It will be a segment to remember.
Democrat or Republican, this report will open your eyes to how OUR country is being sold down the road to Totalitarian Socialism.
Happyscrapper: that is what Palin is about. She will be campaigning for conservatives of any party to establish conservatism as the largest distinct voter bloc. By 2012, GOP registrations my be lower than the 23% they are today and Dems my be below 30%. How many of those independents are looking for an alternative to “two evils”? That is the opportunity.
If the GOP ever opens up to anything, it will be because conservates bludgeoned them with the specter of extinction into relenting to our candidate. People forget that since the Bush crowd took over the GOP, they have been riding on Reagan’s legacy while dismantling it. They have nothing leftin the tank but still control the GOP machinery (for who? $$$$$$).
I see it as an act of desperation for them to annouce Tim Pawlenty so soon while simultaneously launching a media war against talk radio and conservative bloggers. They see Palin coming and they have nothing but a typically lame central casting vanilla Northeast white guy to cram down our throats? The best that can be said about Pawlenty is that he is a nice guy. The new GOP campaign plan is “electability via civility”. Rush nailed it yesterday in his curiously expunged rant against Steve Schmidt’s (McCain’s and Schwartzenegger’s chief campaign strategist) assault against conservatives yesterday. I wonder why it was pulled.
Gag me.
Third Party?
There are several.
Or there is a third, fourth, fifth, etc., party.
These include the Libertarian Party, the Constitution Party, the Green Party, and so on.
The Libertarian Party and Constitution Party have been largely ignored, with the Libertarian Party receiving more support for the long run over the years than most of the other parties.
The already existing third parties have been largely ignored. Why?
Also, why did voters choose either Barrack Hussein Obama or John McCain for President? They were nominated by their parties, the Democrats and the Republicans, yet many in the republican party, and many conservatives disagreed with the choice of McCain.
We could have all agreed to write in our choice rather than follow the RNC selection, the one coronated by the press, John McCain.
We could have written in Alan Keyes, Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, Michael Steele, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, or you-name it.
Had we thought of it before hand, and communicated it before hand, we might have a real president in the White House now and not an over rated, underwhelming, unqualified, spineless, not so smart, not so wise, deceitful, dishonest, disingenuous Community Organizer.
Katablog – my point is that they are still telling tales & people are still swooning.
We would have had to unite behind ONE of those candidates you mentioned.
That. Is. Pure. Fantasy.
I will support a third party candidate when I think they are the best choice and I think they have an actual, real world chance to win.
So, for instance, in the current situation if Palin goes ‘third party,’ the Republicans will be acting as the spoilers. I will be bashing them the same as I was bashing the third party spoilers in October 2008.
The real world is what matters. Real consequences, not fantasies. Who will actually get the reigns of power?
Is that Eastern time?
Phil, you continue with your fantasy that there are any actual conservative Democrat politicians.
There are not.
There are still many conservative Democrat voters who have not figured out what their political party has become, and who foolishly believe the outright lies Democrats tell in order to get into Congress and support Pelosi and Reid, but there are no conservative Democrat politicians. Only more liars.
I thought that if America just went completely black, that we would be loved by the world! We sent the most important negros in the nation to beg for us and we were rejected. Maybe if the racial delegation had included Serena Williams and Kanye West we would have done better?… I wonder if America is EVER going to wake up.
As a Minnesotan, I agree. He is a good Governor. But POTUS??? NO.WAY. Mervin Milqutoast! I’m just not convinced that Sarah Palin is Presidential material. She is Conservative, Smart, Attractive, a Good Speaker. But she might be better served as a spokesperson for the candidate of choice and someone who can draw large crowds. I think she is too polarizing (pardon the pun)and has been ridiculed to the point where the morons in la la land all think she is dumb. Not sure she can overcome that perception.
Huh?? I didn’t know that. I listen to him every day and didnt’ notice anything. One woman did call in and ask why part of his show was repeated, and Rush didn’t know anything about it. Can they really do that to him without his knowledge?? Does he or doesn’t he have freedom of speech?
Is this what was cut from Rush’s show?
RUSH: Does the name Steve Schmidt ring a bell to anybody out there? Steve Schmidt was the campaign manager for John McCrazy — McCain! — in the presidential campaign in 2008. Steve Schmidt has told the Huffington Post that Sarah Palin in 2012 would be a “catastrophe for the GOP.” This is one of the things that I was asked to comment on by a member of the State-Controlled Media today, and here’s what I wrote back: “I think it’s time for the McCain crowd to acknowledge that they’re losers and pack it in. They’ve done enough damage to the Republican Party already. Move aside. Let a brighter, more principled, and more competent generation of people clean up the mess that the McCain people helped create,” and that is exactly where we are right now. And now McCain, it is reported today, is trying to work behind the scenes to find candidates like himself to remake the Republican Party in a moderate, center sort of way. I guess Schmidt talking to the Huffing and Puffington Post is part of that mix, saying that Palin in 2012 would be a catastrophe for the GOP. Why would anybody listen to McCain? It would be like the Democrats taking advice from Dukakis. What in the world…? This is just more and more of the left trying to pick our candidates like they picked McCain, and it’s time to stop that garbage. So there! That’s my answer to it.
The place to make the difference is in the PRIMARIES!! Get the right candidate in the first place. I know we all know that…but it didn’t help to know it in ’08, did it?
That is nonsense, Happyscrapper. You have forgotten about the 1980 Ronald Reagan, the Amiable Dunce who was a fascist warmonger who would destroy democracy and bring about global nuclear war.
Do not believe what the fringe media (TV, ‘news’papers, etc.) tell you what the public think about candidates.
They LIE. Always.
This is exactly what I did, and I couldn’t be prouder of my vote or the result at this time. Sure, we got a loony in the White House, but we also got America to wake up to the horrors of what she has put herself through over the last hundred or so years.
Had my candidate (Alan Keyes)won, certainly there would at least have been an attempt to roll back the socialism that has plagued this country for a hundred years, but America might not have appreciated the bullet – nay, atomic bomb – that she had dodged.
Mr. Obama, for all his foolishness (and possibly because of it) may be the best thing to happen to this country in a long time.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
How about putting “thinking of himself as an EMPLOYEE of the citizens of the US” somewhere in there?
Other thing — can’t the dealerships file a class action lawsuit about the unconstitutional seizing of their businesses? Or something? To the Supreme Court? Or something?
RWR, you are an irresponsible voter. Your vote should not be about how it makes you feel. It should be about who you are letting seize the reigns of power.
Grow up.
I still find it amazing that the liberals HAVE to campaign as centrists. Why is that? Because the majority in this country are center or center-right. If they campaigned as themselves, they know they would lose. What should that tell us? The democrats are generally all liberal. So, no matter how much they lie in their campaigns, we know they are liberal. Unfortunately, the morons who vote for them, believe the lies, over and over and over. That is not going to change because we have a huge number of people in this country who don’t have a clue and vote for either 1.the person their parents voted for or 2. the one with the best looking face or 3. the one who offers them the most free stuff. Always has been, and always will be.
Reagan healed the Republican Party?
Believe that, and I have some really nice oceanfront property in Colorado to sell you.
If Reagan healed the party, then it wouldn’t be the same corrupt crowd that gave us Richard Milhouse Nixon. George H. W. Bush would not have had a prayer as his successor, and we would not be having this discussion today.
The Republican Party has been utterly corrupt for as long as the Democrats have. They are essentially one party, and have been for as long as anyone with a sense of history can remember. Let them unite as the country’s liberal party so we conservatives can have our opportunity to restore America to her former glory.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Didn’t Barry fudge on a timeline related to assistance his father supposedly got from the Kennedys or a bill or program they sponsored to help African students come to America?
He didn’t make a speech. He just read from a teleprompter …
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Hotair posted that Rush video this morning and the link was right on this page. I posted that link on a comment at Powerline now that video is not even at Rush’s own website.
As to Roland, you are expressing the very same logic that makes you a non-factor in the struggle for regaining our country. In your logic, you can’t see the value of voting for “none of the above”. You see Republicans losing elections as same as conservatives losing elections. The past two elections have proven how wrong that is. Neither party can corral us. That is why gun control, amnesty, cap and trade nationalize health care and the rest are still not the law of the land. How do we do it? By winning elections? NO! We do it by preventing a mandate. Those Blue Dogs want to get re-elected too!
If Palin succeeds in demonstrating how widespread conservative principles are, she will be creating the foundation for conservatives and others to unite to demand better candidates. The Dems will never be the party that delivers that candidate. The opportunity is with the GOP but they are engaging in open war against us. That leaves a vast voting bloc no alternative than to wage a 3rd party campaign. If we do that, we just might create a constitutional crisis where no candidate has more than 38$ of the vote. All we need to do is prevent the winner from getting 50% and coming in second ahead of the Republican candidate.
That is a very distinct possibility in 2012. That threat is why the GOP elites are terrified of us and why they will be forced to relent by ousting their leadership and opening up the process to conservatives.
Your way is how we got into this mess in the first place. Good luck with that.
There are other things that show how widespread conservativism is too. For example, the massive sales of conservative books. And the incredible ratings of FOX News over the liberal fringe media. Rush Limbaugh has 29 million + listeners. That tell us a lot. We could even be a majority in this country right now!! I wish we could find out exactly how many of us are out there.
I fact-check my facebook status better than that.
Seriously, if you’re going to tell tear-jerker “memories” on the world stage in this day and age, you better be prepared to have them dissected inside and out. Did they think that if they won, no one would care if they had embellished things a bit? They made the whole spiel about them and I, for one, was glad to see them smacked-down like that!
Correct.
Exactly. That demonstration on 9/12 was not just conservatives. There were many Democrats and independents there. The GOP is looking at the pendulum swinging away from Democrats for next year and foolishly ignore that it is swinging away from them too! So where is it swinging? To us!
We outnumber the Republicans already and if we include the mom-and-pop moderates of both parties who are either independents already or heading there, we are the biggest party! The next step is the easiest one. Money will flow into whatever candidate we endorse. We can do it as Republican elites can be purged or we can run a new party candidate. I guarantee you it won’t be a Pawlenty, Romney, Huckabee, Jindal, Perry, Crist or other polymorphic Republican life form. It will be one of us.
Let’s see what Palin does first.
You and I are living in a different world. There is nothing that I said that equates to that statement. What I keep saying is that there are lots and lots of conservative VOTERS. In those districts where they dominate, most of them are represented by weasels who will only be kept under control by a gun to their heads. That is how conservatives are currently defeating the leadership of both globalist parties. So long as people like you keep automatically voting GOP no matter what, you are not even in the game. Your opinion doesn’t matter because no GOP candidate even has to ask for it. You just give it away like a cheap whore.
The GOP will only be saved by hitting in the head with a sledgehammer and then having a conservative candidate impose him/herself onto the party like Reagan did.
Surely, that isn’t so hard to understand is it? Exactly how blinded by the GOP brand are you? Do you buy your cars that way?
While we are pondering 2012 to death, 2010 is the battlefield to get control of the House and Senate. That will put the brakes on Obama.
Next up will be conservatives participating in the primaries for 2012. Don’t let the Dems and MSM pick our candidate again.
It’s a 2-party system. That’s where the money is, and that’s the only direction media will focus. Media will always be important for many folks (elderly, etc.) to get information. Any other party gets skant time. More than 2 parties, and our votes split, and Dems will win in perpetuity.
I’d dance a jig nekkid down the street if a conservative party with a billion bucks and a tv audience launched a campaign to beat all campaigns, but that’s a pipe dream for now. Freedom is on the brink of extinction.
You will never get it, Phil. If Palin becomes the Republican Party candidate, you will not vote for her, since she will have made compromises nutball third party candidates will not have had to make, since they aren’t running to actually win.
BTW, I do not make these kind of comments to persuade you or RWR or any of the other of you die hard, no compromise or die commenters here. You will never change. I do it to point out to real conservatives here that you and RWR and the other fringe party proponents are not real conservatives.
You are radicals who want the country to be devastated. That is the one thing that would prove you ‘right,’ at least in your own minds.
I agree. We have to save the country first and foremost. A third party can come later. Sorry, Phil, but you are a dreamer, when what we need right now is a realist.
You are a “real conservative”? For the last time, conservative and Republican are not the same thing and being a loyal Republican (apparently a requirement for you) has nothing to do with being conservative.
You are clearly misinformed about Palin and putting words in my mouth for no other purpose than that you have no arguments. You are a die-hard Republican to the bitter end. You are defending an empty uniform. That is why Republican registrations went from 40% in 2004 to 23% and falling today. Maybe you just aren’t making your arguments loudly enough? Or maybe it’s the haircut? It couldn’t be that they just don’t stand for anything anymore? All they have left is that they will impose the same socialist programs that the Dems are pushing but they want to be the ones doing it because they could do it better. Yeesh. That’s your team bud.
You are absolutely correct.
The Republican party is supposed to be the party of conservativism. There are a few really great conservatives in the party. For them and their voters to jump ship and start another party will give us the Perot-effect…again. There is not enough money to fund it, no support in Congress for it to sponsor any bills (let alone get votes), and you can forget about any media beyond blogs giving it any attention.
The answer is TAKE THE GOP BACK TO ITS CONSERVATIVE ROOTS.
It’s the Reagan model. Worked then…will work again.
At age eight and nine months when the 1972 olympics took place in fall, 1972, Michelle Obama was probably in her grammar school classroom when the daytime coverage of the oympics took place. The nighttime coverage would have begun at 9:00 CST and Michelle would have been in bed by then. She did not watch Olga Korbut and certainly not on her dad’s lap. If Michelle says she watched the 1972 olympics during the day time, she has to deal with the fact that she was in grammar school during those hours and her father was working for the City of Chicago during that time. The whole thing is a load of horse manure. Now I don’t rank it alongside John Kerry’s claim that he was in Cambodia on a secret mission on Christmas Day 1968 when he heard President Richard Nixon say there are no troops in Cambodia. Kerry never went to Cambodia (he was only in VietNam for 4 months one of which was basic training) and on Christmas day 1968, Lyndon Johnson, not Nixon, was president and LBJ did not give a Christmas speech about Vietnam.
happyscrapper: you are a sucker for anyone who comes up with a snappy, emotional phrase. “Saving America first, 3rd party later?” What does that mean exactly? “Let’s not forget the baby duckies and fluffy bunnies!”
Realism? This country was founded on freedom to pursue IDEALS, not to compromise to the harsh realities of the day. That is why Republicans are about to lose conservatives forever.
Societies either improve or decay. They don’t stand still. They only improve when people are willing to strive for an ideal. “Realists” slowly compromise what they have away. There is a big difference between being a “dreamer” and striving for an ideal.
You guys are arguing for the emptiness of winning elections while abandoning your principles for another day. It’s a fool’s argument. The “another day” never comes. If you can’t fight for your principles today, you will never come around to it because you will have even less traction tomorrow and the day after that and the day after that.
Why are you guys even commenting here? Do you not “get” Michelle Malkin? Does she strike you as a weasel?
Phil – go on and support that idea of yours. It’s not like it’s not been tried a hundred times. So if you have a hundred years to toy with it, as opposed to smaking an existing party upside the head and back to its core platform, I bid you good luck.
As for me, I will continue to make my suggestions to the leadership of the GOP and point out its failed ideas. I am not the only one…there are many.
If the dark side can carry away the Democrat party, then the truth can win back the GOP. It’s an existing establishment, no need to recreate the wheel. Likewise, no need to fall for the global warming crap, throw away cars that burn gas for the sake of a hoax. Fix what’s busted. Win back those who have gone astray. Demand that your proposed representative do his/her job, or there will be no vote.
If, by real conservative, you mean someone who is willing to allow the stupid progressivism of the Republican Party (which is NOT conservative – look at their last 5 presidential candidates for proof) to dominate, or someone who is willing to let some of that happen in the name of “compromise” (which is not a conservative trait, either, in case you hadn’t noticed), then I will gladly be called a radical and “not a real conservative”.
After all, if espousing the beliefs of the Founding Fathers as I do makes me a radical, then I will proudly be a radical. If you don’t want to live under the restrictions of the Constitution, and want to call those who do “radical”, then you probably should go move somewhere else. The Constitution happens to be the law here.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Let’s put it another way…
You can’t win a war being the 3rd Army. You will have to fight the other 2, or join one which more closely resembles your purpose. There is strength in numers.
Choosing one of those other Armies gives you the opportunity to share your battlefield strategy for victory, and a chance to prove your ideas will succeed. You’ve got great guns, but they have great tanks. Together, both Armies are a formidable foe, and victory is achieved when both Armies adopt the battlefield strategy and kick ass on the other side.
Hmm …
I vote for the best candidate available, and that makes me an “irresponsible voter”?
Hmm … let’s take a look at that logic, then.
You most likely voted for either John McCain or Barack Obama. If you’re commenting here, I’d say it was probably McCain, the single worst candidate the GOP had available for the position, and the single worst candidate they had offered IN MY LIFETIME (which includes Dick Nixon).
So you vote for him. He never had a chance against Obama because he was basically the same socialist nutjob of a candidate, with the only difference being that he had served in the military (whoopie freakin’ do – you’d have the same military blunders as Bush had and possibly the same ones you’re getting under Obama). Suspending his campaign to run back to DC so that he could deliver a bailout was ample proof for me. So this election was Democrat vs. Democrat taken to the extreme.
Had my candidate won, there would be a champion of the Constitution in office, the socialist machine under which we have been forced to live would be on its way to the scrap heap, and I would argu that we would probably either be doing much better in the theater, or the troops would be coming home.
With McCain, you’d be getting everything you’re getting with Barack, plus the perception that it’s not as bad as what it would have been with Barack (not accurate, but also not useful – a silent and complacent populace can’t stop anything).
Under Obama, you are getting exactly what he said he would deliver, and the people are so pissed, they are turning out in droves to do everything they can to make sure it doesn’t happen, and finally the true nature of our free nation is being reawakened. By no measure can that be called a bad thing.
So call me an irresponsible voter all you want. What we got is ultimately going to be better for this country than what you voted for. Sadly, we were forced to take the long road, but the Republicans made that choice, not me. How about a political party that’s first and foremost responsible to the Constitution? Seems simple and American enough. I won’t hold my breath for the Republicans. Last time I did that, I nearly passed out.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
By the way …
I never said I wouldn’t vote for a Republican. I said I wouldn’t vote for a liberal.
If the Republicans show me a truly conservative candidate to vote for, I will do so with a smile.
In the meantime, I’m making sure that I have constitutionalist conservatives to vote for, and heck, if the Donks show me one, I’ll vote that way, too.
It just happened that this past election cycle, the Republicans tried to screw America in typical Democrat style. I just won’t vote that way. It’s unamerican to support a candidate, especially with something as important as a vote, who does not respect and revere the Constitution of the United States.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
20 years old and sitting on her dad’s lap? Woody Allen would be proud!
Phil – I agree with your reasoning, and respect your passion, but can’t embrace your conclusion. It’s not about liberals and conservatives. Liberals are +/- 20% and conservatives 40%. The middle voters are not for the most part politically literate, and can be swayed one way or the other. Some recent polls indicating a very disconcerting reality:
The most trusted news anchor: John Stewart
What party controls congress? 43% do not know
What are the three branches of government? Only 32% could name them
What we know about the independent folks is that they are mostly young, and while they lean right, for the most part they are uninterested in politics. They have no party affinity. If they vote, they will vote for the one they think will make their life better, or who has the best public appeal. (Hello Dear Leader!)
Voting none of the above is not an option. Beck is nuts to say McCain would have been worse for America. He would have done far less damage. But he would have failed…disastrous for the GOP.
All the GOP needs is a charismatic, conservative leader. Unfortunately Ronnie is dead. Palin? Possibly. Time will tell. But I have to agree with the others that reclaiming the GOP is the better strategy. The RINOS can and will be marginalized. A third party would further weaken the GOP, empower the Dems and prolong the present agony.
I wonder why Mrs. Obama didn’t mention Tommie Smith and John Carlos
A little more on all that here.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
We’ve been trying to reclaim the GOP for at least twenty years (considerably more than that if you’re a realist – Reagan was the exception, not the rule, and he got the nomination DESPITE the GOP, not with its blessing). I seriously doubt it will happen (and will rejoin the GOP if it does, to be sure – again, not holding my breath).
Why not take advantage of the demise of both parties that’s going on now? Both the Republicans and the Donks are losing membership fast. The only alternatives are simply doing away with political parties altogether (which would be a great idea as well) or offering a party that makes sense to the people.
Neither party’s leadership understands just much peril they’re both in, and you won’t get much help from Republicans if you try to “take back” the party. From my vantage point, the only way to have a conservative major party is to put one together and DEFEAT THEM.
If you can pull off your strategy, I’ll be in. The Republicans have been liberal for a hundred years just like the Democrats. Holding your breath will likely result in your suffocating to death.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
The two party system sucks, always has, but it is what it is. Again, the people you have to win over is the politically illiterate middle, and you can’t do that with a third party. It would be viewed as fringe or irrelevant as the other alternative parties are now.
2008 was an anomoly. Bush was hugely unpopular, and the conventional “wisdom” was a conservative meant four more years of Bush. The Irony of course was that Bush was no fiscal conservative, and was devoid of leadership ability. By ’10 and certainly ’12, Bush will be an irrelevant shadow and a strong leader with a clear conservative vision would be able to capture the pendulum swing back to the right. The only question is who.
Phil…We are commenting here for the same reason you are. We enjoy debating and touching base with like-minded people. Except for some of the trolls who are pretty disgusting, I find most of the posters on these threads extremely well-informed, articulate and bright. We certainly don’t all agree on everything. That is what keeps us on our toes and we all learn from each other. Sometimes I think you feel you are the only one with the true solutions to the problems. I know, it is just a perception. But you do tend to put us “in our place” if we disagree. I think there are a lot of people out there who want a new third party and I have been open to the idea. But I have come to the conclusion that it would hurt our chances to defeat the marxists who have a very strong hold on this country. We need to regain our footing by taking back Congress and Presidency, not necessarily by a staunch Conservative, but by someone who more closely espouses the Conservative values. Then, we can fight for the other stuff we don’t agree with. But, if the far left remains in power, we don’t have a prayer. I admire the fire in your belly. But desparate times call for clear thinking. The GOP isn’t lost forever. We need to fight within the system for our party and get it back. I believe it can happen, if we make our positions crystal clear to them and let them know they will not get the support they need by abandoning the Conservative platform.
Obama is plainly that blessing in disguise that can point voters back to sanity. He may be his own party’s worst nightmare.
Even Palin irritated me last year when she yammered on about climate change…accepting the left’s premise of a hoax is NOT a strength. But she may have had to do it to keep her handlers happy. Who knows.
Bottom line is the GOP candidates are always on defense, accepting left talking points and offering something less painful. A real leader will have to debunk the left ideas and articulate how conservative principles work every time they are tried. Put them on defense for once, then watch the fireworks.
At the risk of going back on topic, that is why the Olympian crash and burn is sooooo sweet. The “dream team’s” noble effort to secure the olympics for sweet home Chicago didn’t just fail, it was a huge humiliation. Didn’t even get to first base. “Chicago is out?!!? Wait a minute. Chicago is out?!!?” Don’t they know who HE is?
Let’s add this epic fail to Cap and Tax, now floating about the nether regions with 0% chance of clearing the senate, BarryCare which is spiralling in toward terra firma, the continually growing unemployment rate despite the miraculus stimulus, the economy going nowhere, and waffling around Afganistan and Iran…and unless I am very mistaken Dear Leader is toast.
This could (SHOULD) be a golden opportunity for conservative leaders, if they can lose the RINO baggage.
It’s the so-called “illiterate middle” that’s making all the noise today.
The liberals in the Republican Party are not going to be able to win them over.
Here’s why:
The solution to having an “illiterate” or “uneducated” middle isn’t to play to them, it’s to TEACH them. An educated populace is much to the advantage of a free country, and much to the chagrin of those who want it the other way.
It’s taken so long for people to figure this out that they’ve now begun to TAKE IT UPON THEMSELVES to educate themselves about the Constitution, the Founding Fathers, and the Founding Documents. Who do you think went to the 9/12 rally? There is a HUGE opportunity here not only to build on the awesome foundation that is Constitutional conservatism, but to defeat both of the parties that have sought to dismantle it.
For my part, I’d much rather start anew with a party that’s never been tainted by socialism/liberalism/communism/fascism/progressivism than try to change a party that has made it abundantly clear that it has no intentions of ever changing, despite the demands of those who have been there for it to do so.
2008 was NOT an anomaly, and there was no conservative on the ticket to support your position. The anomalies in the Republican Party were 1980 and 1984. Check your history. You will see that I am correct.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
I’ve said many times that Barack Obama may very well be the best thing to happen to this country.
His own party’s worst nightmare, indeed, but it will also be the end of the line for the Republican Party as well, since they aren’t showing any signs at all of espousing a conservative ideal, which is what Americans not only want, but need.
That’s why a new truly conservative party wouldn’t be a “third party”. The way things are going, and this is actually a good thing, the new party would easily body-slam one of the progressive parties into third-party status.
For either of those parties to escape that fate, they would have to legitimately and completely shed their progressive ways (ain’t gonna happen) and become a truly conservative party.
This isn’t the first time in history something like this has happened. Conservatives will have to unite at some point. In my opinion, sooner is better than later, and the Republicans are a lost cause on that front.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
she doesn’t even need a costume for halloween..she’s scary enough as she is…lol
off topic go listen to this school answering machine…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwghabw4N80
What happened to a weekend open thread?
Looks like this is it!
I worry that dissatisfied voters will rush off after a nut like Ross Perot or Ron Paul and just put another Democrat in the White House…. just splitting the Republican/conservative vote.
RWR – I didn’t say they were illiterate or uneducated, but “politically illiterate”. They are uninterested in politics, and you can’t “teach” someone something they don’t want to know. As a rule, they do not trust either party – or government in general. We here are obviously political junkies, and I think we tend to forget that most folks aren’t. That can be a huge mistake.
I guess I don’t understand how people who don’t trust or care about any political party will buy into a third party. It’s not about the party. It’s about the right leader with the “right” principles at the right time. And the next two election cycles will be the perfect time. At this point the only one I can see on the radar is Palin, and she would have a better chance with the GOP than a new party.
The party is not the problem. It’s the lack of visionary, principled conservative leadership. That’s part of why Dear Leader captured the middle. He sounded like a visionary, and he sold it.
You got that spot on, living in Arkansas with two “blue dog” Democrat Senators, Blanche Lincoln and Mark Pryor, I can tell you they change drastically around election time. Lincoln is now about a year out from here election and sounding and voting more conservative by the day. Pryor is five years away from his election and a reliable vote for Harry Reid.
The charade works every election.
Klingon women mature slower than humans…hence her sitting in daddies lap at age 20 Earth years.
Not a problem. Quite normal behavior.
Bobo Justus: One question. Do you want to stick to that story, or do you want to keep your teeth?
Lilly Dillon: I want to keep my teeth.
Why was she cheering on the communists?
Cuz she be one, Sparky!
Something is wrong with these people, something is seriously wronnnnnnnggggg with them.
Good point and I am willing to put that as Number 2 on my priority list. Thanks, fo.
If Palin is the only one you see, then you aren’t looking very hard, and if you think she has a chance with the GOP after the way they have thrown her under the bus, then I submit you really have very little understanding of what is going on.
In case you hadn’t noticed, the Republicans are working almost as hard as the Democrats to keep Palin out of office.
Palin isn’t anywhere near an ideal candidate. Keyes is much better, so is Fred Thompson. Even Ron Paul has demostrated a better understanding of the Cosntitution than Sarah Palin. Support her I might, but my first choice she would not be.
Still, if she wants the conservative vote, the Republican Party (nearly as into socialist progressivism as the Democrats) isn’t going to be the place to get that support.
So the “politically illiterate” do not trust either party or government in general. That doesn’t sound like politically illiterate to me at all. In fact, it sounds politically smart.
After all, who in their right mind would trust government or either of these washed up corrupt political parties the way things are going now? If you do, then you’re playing right into their hands.
I sure as hell don’t.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
It’s OK to build castles in the air, Phil, but if you don’t have a roof over your head in the real world you’ll die of exposure to the elements. To coin a few new buzz terms: Sometimes reality sucks, but it is what it is.
The left does the same, as it IS a free country. The problem we currently find ourselves in is the inability to find a few leaders to articulate conservative principles and get the information out to the masses.
The left is loosing ground big time, but the right is not taking advantage of the golden opportunity handed to them on a silver platter, or at least it hasn’t materialized yet.
It’s been so rotten for so long, perhaps patience on our part for leadership to step forward is needed. There is a vaccum, and it will be filled.
Keyes and Paul come across as total nut jobs, all they can do is split the vote and make Democrats happy. It is time to quit cutting your mose off on principle and actually unite the vote behind someone with a chance of winning. You probably won’t get the perfect candidate, but whoever it is, it will be better than Obama. I like Thompson, but he had as much spark as an old hound dog. “Republicans” (I hope conservatives) need to quit trotting out the same old tired dog and pony freak shows. Put down your third party guns for the next presidental election and lets win.
During the early campaign to pick a nominee, support who you will, but once the Republican choice is made…then we MUST vote for him/her, warts and all.
Meanwhile, John McCain and his girlfriend, Lindsey Gramnesty are working to “remake” the republican party. They think the platform needs to be more moderate. Mr. McCain, why don’t you pay attention to the old saying…”Old soldiers never die, they just fade away”? With all due respect for your service in the war, please retire and get out of our way!! Your “moderation” lost the election and it will lose the GOP. Dick Morris said this morning on Fox and Friends that the GOP does not need to be moderate, it needs to be bold. The circumstances right now call for bold, powerful stances. We are dealing with marxists here and moderation will not defeat them!!
Oh, by the way, we lost 8 more of our brave soldiers in Afghanistan overnight. Meanwhile, Obama and his wife celebrated their wedding anniversary by dining out at a fabulous high-end restaurant. Did you enjoy your arugula Mr. Sock Puppet? Spit.
I agree, none of those three are the answer. Fred Thompson was really a bad candidate. He lacked any spark whatsoever and he talks so slow he puts me to sleep. Bobby Jindahl is out…he is almost impossible to listen to. Sarah Palin is very polarizing and I don’t have a good feeling about her chances. Mike Huckabee is a great guy, but I’m afraid he is too nice to play the political game. Romney…out!!! He blew the healthcare issue in Massachusetts. There are a few good Senators right now who sound promising, if they haven’t had any affairs yet. That remains to be seen. I am praying for a new, fresh face to take us by storm. And I am praying that the vetting process will be swift and complete and that there will be no skeletons to find. That is our only hope. We have a golden opportunity here as the dems crash and burn. We’d better not blow it!!!
Sorry for all the posts in a row…I just had my morning coffee and that always makes me talkative!!
No need to apologize, Scrapper – this line gave me a morning giggle:
Hey purplepeep! I assume you will be watching the Monday night game this week?? Go Vikings! I love Favre…always have, always will.
G’morn, Scrapper – indeed I will be eyeballing the game. Though I can’t say I’ve been extremely impressed by Favre so far – but he did throw a heckuva pass to win the last game!
But this Vikes-Pack matchup is must-see TV, with Favre as QB there’s more than the usual drama/rivalry at stake.
Looks like we’ll actually see a bit more sun today. Might be a nice Fall day for a stroll.
Well, Favre does have a few problems, but he will get in the groove, if no one hurts him!! Every time he gets sacked, I just hold my breath. That game ender last week was really a highlight, amongst many lowlights we have had in the past. Favre still has the arm…as long as he stays healthy. We have three season tickets for the Gophers. My husband goes, but I don’t. I enjoy watching it on TV, but our daughter and my brother enjoy the real thing so much, my husband takes them instead.
I hope the sun stays out for a while. We want to get in a bit more grilling before we put that sucker away and get out Mr. George Foreman. And as for a walk…yes, I would love to do that again before it is time to get out Mr. treadmill!! Oh, the joy of living in Minnesota!
Happyscrapper, Palin is no more ‘polarizing’ than Ronald Reagan was. Leftists and their propaganda wing, the fringe media, hate and fear her. The Beltway insiders, including many Republican congresscritters who’ve been there too long, generally despise her. That is exactly the way those groups regarded Reagan.
Michelle Obama’s father is David Letterman???!
Honestly, who remembers anything from when they were 7? I recall faintly sitting around the tv and watching the apollo launch….were it not for re-reading the names in history, would never have recalled any of the astronauts names. My 2 cents worth.
See you on the open thread!
Well, Scrapper, I’m more likely to be mostly offline and enjoy a lazy afternoon!
Hope you cookout goes well, there’s some nice peeks of sunshine every now & then. Already had my stroll & lunch, poked around at Oxboro for awhile and had a sandwich at Jimmy John’s. So I’m good for the day!
What it is time to do is take advantage of the current political environment in which a Keyes could win pretty handily.
Uniting the vote behind someone with a chance of winning was the rationale in 1992 for voting for Bill Clinton. How’d that work out for ya?
It was also the rationale for voting for John McCain (who didn’t have a prayer and the Republican brass knew that before they floated him as a potential candidate). Interestingly, the McCain defeat is actually working out BETTER than what we would have had in the event that he had won. So your logic falls completely apart at that point.
Keyes would have done everything in his power to restore Constitutional authority. With the Dems controlling Congress, he might have had some problems. Still, Obama has now brought forth a climate in which Americans are lieterally clamoring for a Constitutionalist.
There is no way you can make a case that that is a bad thing. You also can’t possibly be trying to tell me that the Republicans might deliver such a candidate. If they do, I’ll cast my vote that way, but the burden is on THEM.
It’s ok, though. It took me a while to learn this lesson as well. A LOTE vote gets you nothing. Why vote for an old tired socialist like McCain when you can get a young snazzy socialist like Obama? At least he will look good on a postage stamp after he’s passed. Seriously, every conservative has this lesson in his path. Whether he’s learned it already or has to learn it in the future is merely a matter of time. I won’t be calling you “irresponsible” or anything like that. I know better because I used to vote that way myself, and understand the logic completely.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Wrong. We must NEVER vote for liberals, period.
That’s what gives the Republicans the idea they can give you McCain and get away with it. They have you eating out of the palm of their corrupt hands.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
In defense of Mr. Obama, I must say that was a total cheap shot.
Look. Mr. Obama has one of the most damaging political philosophy of anyone imaginable, but who among us doesn’t celebrate their anniversary at a high-end restaurant when the family funds permit? That just wasn’t fair at all, and I find that strange coming from a fair-minded person such as yourself, HappyScrapper.
On the subject of the soldiers, I wish them peaceful rest and pray for their souls and their families. Their sacrifice will always be appreciated. Mr. Obama must either unleash the full fighting force that is the US military, or bring the troops home. There’s no sense fighting a battle the commander-in-chief isn’t serious about winning, anyway. Allowing things to go on as they are only shows dishonor for those asked to fight.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Yes, we HAD better vote for whomever the nominee is! I don’t care if it JOHN FREAKING MCCAIN again! Are you kidding? You would rather have another 4 years of Odumbo??
What is wrong with you people? There are ONLY TWO CHOICES! Republican or Odumbo!
I FORBID ANYONE FROM SUPPORTING A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE IN 2012!
I wonder if a person who comes on this forum and tries to talk people out of voting for the Republican is actually an Odumbo advocate in disguise.
VOTE REPUBLICAN OR GET ODUMBO AGAIN!
The worst Republican (and MCCAIN was just about the worst) is better than Odumbo! Get it? Simple.
I despise liberals. I HATE Juan McAmnesty. But I FEAR Obama… I will vote Republican.
Are you blind?
Have you been living in a cave for the last 6 months?
The way things are going, voting Republican is going to be a third party vote.
That or Democrat. It depends on which party survives the current uprising in the populace.
Thank God for Barack Obama. Thanks to him and his stupidity, we have significantly increased our chances of getting a conservative to vote for in 2012.
Don’t hold out for the Republicans, though. Your choice will likely be either a liberal Democrat/Republican or the conservative.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
I’m totally afraid that Obama is going to be better for the GOP than for conservatives.
The Obama camp did an excellent job at converting the anti-war voters into anti-Bush voters. I suspect the GOP will do the same thing with the anti-spending sentiment, which will only mean more of the same.
I saw it at the tea parties. Early on, the messages were anti-government, but that quickly segued into anti-Obama sentiment.
Not change I can believe in.
It will only be better for the GOP than for conservatives of you let it, Marco.
YOU have to get involved, and bring others with you. It’s the only way to beat back the socialism that the Republicrats have foisted upon us over the last hundred years.
Luckily, it’s not just the Republicans who are losing ground. The Donks are as well – and people leaving BOTH parties will need a place to go, either to a new party or to simply stand as independent voters. I like the idea of a new party, but voting independently is what most people should be doing. Parties present the options, and the people make the choices.
THAT is what is truly American.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
And by doing so you vote for more of the same.
Good going, Skippy.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
You forbid?! Hey TH, Eat my shorts!
Where’s Rudy?