Sunday open thread

By Michelle Malkin  •  October 4, 2009 09:12 AM

Busy with family. Talk amongst yourselves.

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  1. #1
    On October 4th, 2009 at 9:16 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    It’s Sunday, time for church right? Let us pray to ….. Obama?

  2. #2
    On October 4th, 2009 at 9:23 am, BigAnge said:

    Deadliest battle of the year in Afghanistan. 8 troops killed. MSM yawns.

  3. #3
    On October 4th, 2009 at 9:29 am, graysonret said:

    Spent the day, yesterday, hosting a tent at the Williamsburg Scottish Festival. Had a lot of fun, and met some people who were interested in joining our clan. Always enjoy attending these games, though the only thing I get involved in is the parade. Richmond games are at the end of the month.

  4. #4
    On October 4th, 2009 at 9:38 am, Michelle Malkin said:

    Deadliest battle of the year in Afghanistan. 8 troops killed. MSM yawns.


    Here’s my post.

  5. #5
    On October 4th, 2009 at 9:44 am, Jeff2161 said:

    Culture of Corruption still in top 10 at NYT.

  6. #6
    On October 4th, 2009 at 9:47 am, USMCgramma said:

    Support our military and their families – this president would not last 24 hrs in boot camp.

  7. #7
    On October 4th, 2009 at 9:48 am, Hannibal said:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 9:29 am, graysonret said:

    …..and met some people who were interested in joining our clan……

    I knew it! I knew it! I told ya! I told ya! They’re all members of the Clan.

    The Reverend Wright

  8. #8
    On October 4th, 2009 at 9:49 am, mytake said:

    Just read Chicago Times article about Olympic rejection of Chicago featuring statements by Jesse Jackson. Letters about article were 100% negative toward our President and First Lady. I have never seen so much vitriol…not a single letter of support. Thanks to MM and others for opening the eyes of the world and our nation. The response to the White House blaming everyone but themselves is very telling and we WILL get our country back!

  9. #9
    On October 4th, 2009 at 9:51 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 9:38 am, Michelle Malkin said:

    Here’s my post.

    I thought your were busy with your family – HMMMMMMMMM? Now go play some wii tennis or bowling! ;)

    GSP,

    Son did two tours and is in Italy for now. He is undecided about a third or coming home to start a family. I pray he comes home and give us more grandsons!

    I watched video of The One sell out Israel. I am sad he represents the USA. Praying we can remedy that soon.

  10. #10
    On October 4th, 2009 at 10:02 am, stevevvs said:

    from http://www.shadowstats.com

    BLS Revision Nightmare: March 2009 Payrolls Overstated by 824,000 • Birth-Death Model Falsely Boosting Jobs Reporting in Recession Environment • Monthly Jobs Loss of 263,000 (Payroll Survey) versus Monthly Employment Decline of 710,000 (Household Survey) • September Unemployment Rates: U.3 = 9.8%, U.6 = 17.0%, SGS = 21.4%

  11. #11
    On October 4th, 2009 at 10:26 am, stillontheroad said:

    USMCgramma said:
    Sock Puppet would not last getting off the bus and standing in formation.

  12. #12
    On October 4th, 2009 at 10:33 am, jangar said:

    Deadliest battle of the year in Afghanistan. 8 troops killed. MSM Obama yawns.

    Too accustom to larger death numbers in Chicago, so the war flies under his radar.

  13. #13
    On October 4th, 2009 at 10:35 am, aunursa said:

    Patterico: “Associate producer of Polanski documentary spams this blog with multiple anonymous comments attacking me”

  14. #14
    On October 4th, 2009 at 10:39 am, Avi Green said:

    Another open thread, another wish to plug my bloggings. Let’s see…

    From my politics blog: your latest update on the status of Rifqa Bary.

    From my comics blog: I think that Katma Tui, the first female member of the Green Lantern Corps, should be brought back to the land of the living.

    And, from my game blog: Three Wonders from Capcom!

  15. #15
    On October 4th, 2009 at 10:41 am, Marshall Russ said:

    Good read over at American Thinker. Good for Sunday Morning meditation or contemplation. If that is what you do on Sunday, that is.

    Do Not Blame Barack
    By Selwyn Duke
    Contrary to what my title indicates, I probably judge Barack Obama more harshly than most reading this page. I don’t think he is just a misguided ideologue or merely a creature of expediency. I believe, practically speaking, he is an evil man. That is to say, while he is largely ignorant like so many others, he has developed an affinity for evil. He mistakes it for good.

  16. #16
    On October 4th, 2009 at 10:42 am, pubscout said:

    What a weekend.

    Barry and Michelle get kicked to the curb in Copenhagen, Letterman fesses to shtupping his shtaff and Ahminejhad’s a secret Jew!

    Get me another beer.

  17. #17
    On October 4th, 2009 at 10:48 am, Ken M. said:

    The opening skit on SNL last night highlights the President’s accomplishments — i.e., the lack thereof:

    http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/280038

  18. #18
    On October 4th, 2009 at 10:54 am, deepdriller said:

    Looking forward to a quiet Sunday…
    Church this morning, then football for the rest of the day.

  19. #19
    On October 4th, 2009 at 10:55 am, deepdriller said:

    And by football, I mean copious naps on the couch…

  20. #20
    On October 4th, 2009 at 10:57 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 9:29 am, graysonret said:

    I hate those things. I always get to be the guy who has to get the cabers off of the roofs and out of the trees. I spend all afternoon going up and down ladders. And then there’s the haggis.

  21. #21
    On October 4th, 2009 at 10:58 am, gunslingerpatriot said:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 9:51 am, On-my-soap-box said

    GSP,

    Son did two tours and is in Italy for now. He is undecided about a third or coming home to start a family. I pray he comes home and give us more grandsons!

    Ok call me bias, but this military decision is a no brainer-Must give mums soaps another grandbaby! :)

    GSP

  22. #22
    On October 4th, 2009 at 10:59 am, shimauma2 said:

    While barry hussein is having date night with his *other* half, our boys are spilling their blood at the hotgates of Afghanistan. I would love to be a fly on the wall when he has to explain that in judgement. Seriously, folks, barry’s going away in chains, hopefully in this life.

  23. #23
    On October 4th, 2009 at 11:13 am, Roland said:

    Ok call me bias, but this military decision is a no brainer-Must give mums soaps another grandbaby!

    GSP

    Right. It is a no brainer. Get out. Now. Kill our enemies. Stop giving them cookies.

  24. #24
    On October 4th, 2009 at 11:16 am, cicerokid said:

    Global warming, global warming, werefor art thou, global warming…

    gotta make a fire in the fireplace. Dreary, cold and wet is no way to go through global warming.

  25. #25
    On October 4th, 2009 at 11:24 am, BigAnge said:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 11:16 am, cicerokid said:

    Global warming, global warming, werefor art thou, global warming…

    gotta make a fire in the fireplace. Dreary, cold and wet is no way to go through global warming.

    Oh Cicero, don’t you know? Now that the earth is in one of its normal cooling cycles, liberal dunderheads no longer refer to it as “global warming”, but as “climate change”.

  26. #26
    On October 4th, 2009 at 11:28 am, USMCgramma said:

    stillontheroad: You read my mind. Can’t write what I really think. SSgt’s Mom just called – he’ll be in Afghanistan in spring (after 3x Iraq). My oldest brother was killed in WWII – when Obama conjures up his feelings of the surrender on the Missouri, I could puke. get very sick to my stomach.

  27. #27
    On October 4th, 2009 at 11:32 am, McCloud9 said:

    8:30 AM, Monday, October 5. United States District Court for the Central District of California, Southern Division, will hear a Department of Justice (DOJ) motion to dismiss a lawsuit on Obama

    In fact, the Obama Administration has brought in the Department of Justice (DOJ) to silence us and to shut down this lawsuit.

    When Obama/Soetoro and his HANDLERS began the journey to the most powerful position in the world, I KNEW he was NOT able to be President. Simply because HIS FATHER was NOT an AMERICAN CITIZEN! Yes, it is that simple.
    But ONLY if you BELIEVE the United States Constitution. I do Pray Judge Carter has Faith in OUR Constitution and NO FEAR of the USURPER and his CRONIES!

  28. #28
    On October 4th, 2009 at 11:34 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Working. When “death panels” were being tossed around I attempted to make the “don’t throw the baby out with the bath water” kinds of points. So here you go, being careful to keep it generic for patient privacy issues here you go….

    I have a patient who is dying of cancer. Has a few months. Also has a heart condition that periodically requires a pace maker to correct a heart beat that is ineffective in pumping blood. Pace maker is considered a “demand” pacer maker. Patient is not pace maker dependent. It is not an AICD and pace maker. Just a pace maker.

    The patient who is alert and oriented wants it turned off.

    Pace makers in general do not prolong life. There is no reason to turn off a pace maker in a pace maker dependent patient. In a pace maker dependent patient turning off the pace maker is essentially euthenesia or assisted suicide.

    But a patient who has an on demand pace maker this is not the case.

    This patient knows that it is likely with the cancer that some time in the next few months the heart will go into one of those ineffective/inefficient heat beats that will require the pace maker to kick in and correct. The pace maker at this point is acting to keep the patient alive.

    The patient is alert, oriented, smart, and if and when the heart gets to that place, the patient wants nothing done. When the heart wants “something done”, the patient wants nothing done.

    Reasonable, understandable, and for me it offers no problems nor inconsistencies with my solidly Biblical and Christian value system. If the patient was pace maker dependent, I would not be comfortable with it.

    Hospice doctor said to turn it off, no problem.

    Called pace maker company, won’t turn it off. Refuse, flat out refuse to do so. Only option is for a patient who is declining, weak, doesn’t want to go anywhere and see anyone is to go to a cardiologist and have the discussion with a cardiologist who may or may not agree to turn off the demand pace maker.

    So when does a reasonable, alert, oriented patient lose the decision making power over her own body?

    And when some folks seemingly at the ready to knee jerk and in a reactionary way label issues and those of us who deal with these issues as being infatuated with death or operate from some kind of culture of death, that reaction is suspect.

    This patient will unless the cardiogist agrees to turn it off will be kept alive against the patient’s wishes. The pace maker in demand mode may, it also may not mind you, go off and high jack this patient’s clearly stated wishes.

    There is something about that which is wrong. Wrong at a deeper level of what we assume to be true about making decisions regarding our own health care and end of life.

  29. #29
    On October 4th, 2009 at 11:40 am, Freddy said:

    Senator Schumer just claimed that the senate finance health bill is online, and has been since Friday.

    Does anyone know where it is?

    (sorry if this is there 2 times – it seems to have disappeared)

  30. #30
    On October 4th, 2009 at 11:42 am, Roland said:

    JS, what does that situation have to do with the death panels? The problem with the death panels is the loss of patient control over treatment. If anything, your story illustrates the danger of having the decisions made by bureaucrats.

  31. #31
    On October 4th, 2009 at 11:44 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Roland,

    That the legistlation to establish patient wishes in a clear and binding way is quite necessary. Having it spelled out in a way, we’re talking legistlation, that legally bind all aspects of the health care system to follow those wishes is a good thing, not a bad.

  32. #32
    On October 4th, 2009 at 11:49 am, purealchemy said:

    Anybody seen the photos of the First Couple returning from their anniversary date night? Not looking too happy or affectionate. Hhhhmmm, wonder why….
    Notice they did not get on a plane for that date night out. Hhhhmmmm, wonder why……

  33. #33
    On October 4th, 2009 at 11:49 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    Roland,

    My point previously and continues to today is folks were making a serious error in their linking. The link regarding the health care bill, which sucks mind you, was death panels to end of life decision making.

    The end of life decision making stuff in the legislation was actually not that bad and the need for it is huge.

    “Death panels” is a result of utilization review and rationing. RATIONING is the problem. Not the end of life legislation.

    As a result of all the death panel hoopla the end of life stuff was reduced or removed but guess what, rationing is still in play.

    Which is also what I cautioned about the “death panel” hoopla.

    The good or not so bad stuff was removed. The bad stuff is still in play.

  34. #34
    On October 4th, 2009 at 11:51 am, Roland said:

    JS, yes, if that is what the legislation would really do, and all that it would do, then of course empowering patients would be a good thing. That such legislation is needed at all illustrates how sick with legalistic garbage our society has become.

    However, if the law you are talking about is a piece of a broader legislation that will put very sick patients in a position of being coerced into ‘accepting death,’ that’s an entirely different camel.

  35. #35
    On October 4th, 2009 at 11:53 am, tiredofit08 said:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 9:47 am, USMCgramma said:

    Support our military and their families – this president would not last 24 hrs in boot camp.

    too bad we couldn’t make it a mandatory requirement for all candidates to have served in the military or to go through boot camp…male or female…the brits even put their royalty in the military…

  36. #36
    On October 4th, 2009 at 11:56 am, Roland said:

    “Death panels” is a result of utilization review and rationing. RATIONING is the problem. Not the end of life legislation.

    I agree.

    The good or not so bad stuff was removed. The bad stuff is still in play.

    So let’s kill the bill and do the end of life legislation the way it should be done, rather than having it used to help shove through an abomination of a bill that will wreck our medical care system and create death panels, with or without end of life legislation.

    It may be we are not actually in disagreement.

  37. #37
    On October 4th, 2009 at 11:59 am, tiredofit08 said:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 11:40 am, Freddy said:

    Senator Schumer just claimed that the senate finance health bill is online, and has been since Friday.

    Does anyone know where it is?

    (sorry if this is there 2 times – it seems to have disappeared)

    this is about the only thing I could find…had a late night and not even done with the 1st cup of coffee…lol

    http://help.senate.gov/BAI09A84_xml.pdf

  38. #38
    On October 4th, 2009 at 12:04 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    This debate over Obama care always seems to swerve off into arcane discussions about specific cases that miss the point. The bill being presented by leftists of both parties (Obamacare) is the socialist answer to a problem virtually everyone agrees exists. The only answer to the problem is socialized health care where bureaucrats get to make the life or death decisions on largely financial considerations forever to be modified by ever-changing political agendas.

    Yes, the current system has many significant problems. But like everything these days, deals are struck by special interests behind the scenes after which, it is announced that “everyone” (but us citizens) agrees that the time for debate is over and the problem is too big to delay any further and here is the bill that no one has read but yet must be passed immediately or millions will die, lose jobs, “the children” and so forth. Any one who disagrees is a racist murderer.

    I just don’t see any need to discuss this issue on any other terms that what I just laid out. There are many very acceptable albeit difficult alternatives that deserve to be considered. But so long as we continue to be drawn into the arcane when the obvious fatal flaw of the only plan on the table is enough to kill the bill, we are just tiring ourselves out needlessly.

    Kill the bill already! We need tort reform. We need to open up state health care to national competition. We need to standardize the medical forms. Those are three changes that would save hundreds of billions of dollars annually. A bill exists to do just that. Whether it too is flawed we won’t know until it is put on the table.

    In the meantime, socialized medicine should be a no-go. Period. Case closed.

  39. #39
    On October 4th, 2009 at 12:04 pm, Mojave Mark said:

    With this health care thing, a lot of people are frustrated with the status quo. This creates a problem for rational discussion.

    People are willing to do anything including making a bad decision. It’s like a desperate woman going into a marriage to a bad boy just because she knows she needs to change SOMETHING.

  40. #40
    On October 4th, 2009 at 12:14 pm, MacEamonn said:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 11:53 am, tiredofit08 said:

    …too bad we couldn’t make it a mandatory requirement for all candidates to have served in the military or to go through boot camp…male or female…the brits even put their royalty in the military…

    If most of the American people were aware of our history they would look to the example of George Washington for the qualifications required to lead our country as President.

    “First in war, first in peace, and first in the hearts of his countrymen.”

  41. #41
    On October 4th, 2009 at 12:18 pm, Freddy said:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 11:59 am, tiredofit08 said:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 11:40 am, Freddy said:

    Senator Schumer just claimed that the senate finance health bill is online, and has been since Friday.

    Does anyone know where it is?

    (sorry if this is there 2 times – it seems to have disappeared)

    this is about the only thing I could find…had a late night and not even done with the 1st cup of coffee…lol

    http://help.senate.gov/BAI09A84_xml.pdf

    Thank you.

  42. #42
    On October 4th, 2009 at 12:19 pm, jeanie said:

    The Oct. 5 Weekly Standard has a clear and well written article on Medicare Advantage, why it works and why it should not be gutted. One outstanding fact: it seems that the biggest benefiters from MA are minorities and the poor who are also among it’s largest enrollees. This article accuses our Legislators of wanting it to help fund other priorities—which, of course, none of US believes!/sarc And, before you think I have an axe to grind here, I don’t. I’ve nothing to do with the Standard and do not have MA. Just thought y’all might be interested.

  43. #43
    On October 4th, 2009 at 12:19 pm, Perfesser said:

    A protest against military recruiting centers is being organized for Tuesday, 10/6. Searching the internet turned up 2 webpages: “We Are Not Your Soldiers” has post an event notice on facebook, and World Can’t Wait has the event on their website. WCW seems to be the organizing force behind this.

    The strategy is to have kids do the protesting. They’re asked to wear orange t-shirs to school (more Gitmo schtick?), and then protest at Recruiting centers. Protesters are being encouraged to shout why they will never join the Military with the intent to discourage others. Youngsters are also encouraged to bring the media and videocams with them.

    Has anybody else heard of this? Can we get enough adults to show up and provide adult supervision to counter balance mis-information? Maybe bring our own video cameras?

  44. #44
    On October 4th, 2009 at 12:22 pm, beenthere said:

    “First in war, first in peace, and first in the hearts of his countrymen.”

    For Obama: “Last in war, last in peace, and first to be eliminated in the hearts of the IOC.”

    Sorry, I’m not happy today and that is as witty as I can get.

  45. #45
    On October 4th, 2009 at 12:31 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “So let’s kill the bill and do the end of life legislation the way it should be done”

    I agree however if folks on the right are going to knee jerk with the “death panel” mantra over end of life legislation we won’t get anywhere and where the rubber meets the road, in people’s lives who are dealing with end of life issue like my patient, will continue to get screwed.

  46. #46
    On October 4th, 2009 at 12:32 pm, TimLenox said:

    Busy with family. Talk amongst yourselves.

    Good for you!
    Think I’ll take the day myself.
    Glenn Beck signing last night and night before.
    Handed him an envelope last night labeled
    “Re-Founders Project”
    FOMM members have previously read all the stuff I wrote.
    Everyone else … sorry … Classified.

  47. #47
    On October 4th, 2009 at 12:36 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    How long until Michelle Malkin, Ed Morrissey, Allahpundit,
    Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and the MSM start paying attention
    to what’s been going on in Hawaii:

    OKUBO CAUGHT AGAIN:
    Admits Providing False Information Regarding
    DoH Maintenance Of Divorce Records.

  48. #48
    On October 4th, 2009 at 12:41 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:
  49. #49
    On October 4th, 2009 at 12:42 pm, Roland said:

    I agree however if folks on the right are going to knee jerk with the “death panel” mantra over end of life legislation we won’t get anywhere and where the rubber meets the road, in people’s lives who are dealing with end of life issue like my patient, will continue to get screwed.

    You appear to be suffering from a prioritizing problem, possibly due to the situation you described. What is politically imminent is the destruction of the best medical care system in the world. The suffering that destruction will cause is really unimaginable. Real, unending horror.

    THAT is the political priority.

    Arguing with people about end of life legislation in this political environment is like arguing with people about a leaky faucet while a tsunami is about to wipe away the whole building.

  50. #50
    On October 4th, 2009 at 12:46 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 12:31 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “So let’s kill the bill and do the end of life legislation the way it should be done”

    I agree however if folks on the right are going to knee jerk with the “death panel” mantra over end of life legislation we won’t get anywhere and where the rubber meets the road, in people’s lives who are dealing with end of life issue like my patient, will continue to get screwed.

    This is where us conservatives and “sensible” Republicans part ways in debates. We more often than not agree with where we want to go but Republicans just don’t have the stomach for the fight.

    Politics is a contact sport. Wear a helmet (and a cup). The “civility” argument is the wet blanket being tossed at us by the least civil of our opponents only because they know it works with the squishies. We don’t have to stop fighting just because the other side doesn’t like it.

    When you find yourself between a rock and a hard place, a sledge hammer is the right tool.

  51. #51
    On October 4th, 2009 at 12:51 pm, tiredofit08 said:

    found another link to the Senate Health care bill….here it be…

    http://www.finance.senate.gov/sitepages/leg/LEG%202009/100209_Americas_Healthy_Future_Act_AMENDED.pdf

  52. #52
    On October 4th, 2009 at 12:56 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    There is something about that which is wrong. Wrong at a deeper level of what we assume to be true about making decisions regarding our own health care and end of life.

    With these kinds of topics it’s almost like we’re talking about how to shove the genie back into the bottle. I surmise it all started back there shortly after humans gained command of fire and someone just couldn’t help them self from pointing out that unless you go get more firewood somebody else is going to freeze to death.

    More and more of these techno-dependencies just piled on to keep us on the primrose path to the point that almost no one can live in the ‘garden’,(wild), today without using some sort of technological advantage, (especially fire).

    If more people realized that we are really ‘designed’ to live only about 20 to 30 years then they would better appreciate the 40 to 70 years they get cheating death with technology, (not just medical – all of it) Not just us either, our pets and animals in zoos live a lot longer too for the same reason.

    So I’m with you from the perspective that what technology bringeth – technology ought to be able to taketh away with zero prejudice upon the bearers of technology because the net outcome was already firmly in the win column. It just is not fair to criticize someone who won a game with the idea that they should have done even better; that we were not betting on you to just win, we were betting on an arbitrary spread on top of that; that we weren’t satisfied getting ‘only’ an extra 5 years of life from a pace maker – we expected 6.

    Pre-mature babies are a good example. Some are born three (?) months early and survive in the USA thanks to incredible technological advantages. Advanced or not though every technology has an envelope and some premature babies are still going to die if they are outside of that envelope. (And to complicate things further someone invented “trial lawyers” to hang around waiting for that to happen.)

    Whether it’s rain putting out your survival camp fire or a neo-natal care unit that did it’s best but couldn’t save a child or a demand pace maker battery quitting only one day after its minimum design life, the envelopes are real and, as large as they have grown to be here in the 21st century, none are yet large enough to encompass immortality.

    Which brings up the general question for people – If there was a pill that made you immortal would you take it?

  53. #53
    On October 4th, 2009 at 1:00 pm, MrOlympia said:

    As Obama and his minions work to bring down the US economy in their socialist revolution the other forces of evil make huge advances in their plans as well.

    Iran will weaponize nukes and are almost there. The only question is…….when will Israel make their attempt to eliminate the threat?

    It ain’t gonna be pretty……..

  54. #54
    On October 4th, 2009 at 1:03 pm, Perfesser said:

    Protesters are targeting Military Recruiting Centers for Tuesday, 10/6. Have any of you heard more on this?

    Facebook is being used to help organize this by a group called We Are Not Your Army.

  55. #55
    On October 4th, 2009 at 1:04 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Rachel Maddow Frank Schaeffer Spot the Hypocrisy

    With hypocrisy I am sure Maddow is well versed..Frank Schaeffer I do not know and will not bother to look up this fine day.

    We got home and I tried to get the sports report on TV–and the Sports Report? Obama, Chicago and How Are Your Hemorrhoids Winfrey.

    ITookTheRedPill: He Who Has Won does not have a birth certificate because he is a mixed clone of Jimmy Carter and Louis Farrakahn ;) That and I am guessing he is a Love Child–which most Democrats are. Barack Hussein Obama, Sr did refer to Opey’s mama as #7 of 9 the typical white person and it became a family tradition.

    But unless we can send the lad back to Kenya, Indonesia, Hawaii, Chicago or some other strange place it really does not matter. I think, as with the mange, we are stuck with He Who Has Won and BitterMama for awhile :cry:


    “Last in war, last in peace, and first to be eliminated in the hearts of the IOC.” Very good beenthere, very good indeed..

  56. #56
    On October 4th, 2009 at 1:16 pm, swede said:

    Iran will weaponize nukes and are almost there. The only question is…….when will Israel make their attempt to eliminate the threat?

    It ain’t gonna be pretty…….

    I doubt it will be an “attempt”. When Israel decides to go in it is all or nothing. They will eliminate the threat, and Iran does not have the defensive capabability to stop them.

    The ugly part will be the aftermath, and “ain’t gonna be pretty” doesn’t begin to describe it. The most unsettling part is our president has no guts or resolve. He’ll make more “We Are the World” speeches while world war and terrorist activity escalates.

  57. #57
    On October 4th, 2009 at 1:36 pm, Perfesser said:

    swede said: He’ll make more “We Are the World” speeches while world war and terrorist activity escalates.

    America’s Chamberlain?

  58. #58
    On October 4th, 2009 at 1:40 pm, BOB said:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 12:36 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:
    How long until Michelle Malkin, Ed Morrissey, Allahpundit,
    Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and the MSM start paying attention
    to what’s been going on in Hawaii:

    Good question, whether you are a “birther” or not, there is so much wrong and suspect in Obama’s history that desrves an independent investigation in order to verify his eligibility or lack thereof. Just having a normal amount of common sense, logic and curiosity about something as important as the US Constitutions requirements for holding the office of president should make one demand an investigation. Obama was never vetted in any meaningful way.

    Instead we get silence and ridicule.

  59. #59
    On October 4th, 2009 at 1:46 pm, zeroangel said:

    Hi all! I went to my youngest brother’s wedding last night! ZA Junior got all kinds of attention from family and friends. He also farted, pooped, and sighed really loud during the ceremony itself. Incidentally, the ceremony itself was completely secular. My brother’s friend administered the vows in the company of friends and family and not one word was breathed of god or religion. I was so proud! Not all the family shared my feelings on the matter I’m sure but no ill was spoken during the wedding of course.

  60. #60
    On October 4th, 2009 at 1:58 pm, atheling said:

    Homework and canning tomatoes.

  61. #61
    On October 4th, 2009 at 2:13 pm, right4life said:

    looks like a neck injury on a baltimore Raven’s player…say a prayer that he is not injured too badly…

  62. #62
    On October 4th, 2009 at 2:15 pm, right4life said:

    #817358On October 4th, 2009 at 1:00 pm, MrOlympia said:
    As Obama and his minions work to bring down the US economy in their socialist revolution the other forces of evil make huge advances in their plans as well.

    yeah looks like those chickens are coming home to roost…glad I don’t live in NYC or DC….let the libs get the FULL BENEFITS of their policies….

  63. #63
    On October 4th, 2009 at 2:19 pm, swede said:

    Perfesser said:

    America’s Chamberlain?

    Yup. The Munich Accord in ’38 ceded Czechoslovakia to Germany (without the Czechs present) in return for assurances Germany wouldn’t attack France or Britain. How’d that go Neville? If pulling the missle shield in Poland doesn’t bother you, you don’t know European history.

    Meanwhile, a bit down the road in Washington the libtard pacifists were negotiating “good will” with Japanese diplomats while the Imperial Fleet was steaming at flank speed for Pearl Harbor. This is no time for a limp noodle president.

  64. #64
    On October 4th, 2009 at 2:50 pm, Freddy said:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 12:51 pm, tiredofit08 said:

    found another link to the Senate Health care bill….here it be…

    http://www.finance.senate.gov/sitepages/leg/LEG%202009/100209_Americas_Healthy_Future_Act_AMENDED.pdf

    This is the first one I have seen that has ‘compensation ceilings’ for the people that work at insurance companies.

    No doubt, this will help to put those companies out of business as they cannot get the better managers, or even sales people.

  65. #65
    On October 4th, 2009 at 3:14 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Good question, whether you are a “birther” or not, there is so much wrong and suspect in Obama’s history that desrves an independent investigation in order to verify his eligibility or lack thereof. Just having a normal amount of common sense, logic and curiosity about something as important as the US Constitutions requirements for holding the office of president should make one demand an investigation. Obama was never vetted in any meaningful way.

    Instead we get silence and ridicule.

    I hear there is a special about Obama on FOX tonight. I was told it is at 5:00, but not sure if that is eastern time, central time or whatever. Does anyone know? It might have some information on the birth issue. I know many won’t touch the subject, but I have a feeling there is plenty to find out in that regard! The “birthers” have been ridiculed, kinda like Sarah Palin, by the left. What are they afraid of?

  66. #66
    On October 4th, 2009 at 3:18 pm, nuss said:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 11:32 am, McCloud9 said:
    8:30 AM, Monday, October 5. United States District Court for the Central District of California, Southern Division, will hear a Department of Justice (DOJ) motion to dismiss a lawsuit on Obama

    In fact, the Obama Administration has brought in the Department of Justice (DOJ) to silence us and to shut down this lawsuit.

    When Obama/Soetoro and his HANDLERS began the journey to the most powerful position in the world, I KNEW he was NOT able to be President. Simply because HIS FATHER was NOT an AMERICAN CITIZEN! Yes, it is that simple.
    But ONLY if you BELIEVE the United States Constitution. I do Pray Judge Carter has Faith in OUR Constitution and NO FEAR of the USURPER and his CRONIES!

    Right on McCloud9. Too many pundits and talking heads think they understand the issues and that people like you should be wearing tinfoil hats. Bill O’Reilly and our host, Michelle Malkin, are among them. However, they don’t seem to be aware of the gravity of the issue and the fact that it makes no difference whether Barry Soetoro (or what ever his name is) was born in Hawaii or not. Under the law he is not elibible to be president simply because his father was a British citizen at the time of Obama’s birth, and Obama’s mother was not old enough to confer U. S. Citzenship on him. That’s only one of the problems that Msser. O’Reilly, Ms. Malkin, and many others don’t understand. There is also the little problem of the fact that Barry Soetoro was listed as a citizen of Indonesia in his school registration papers when he was living in Indonesia. Then there is the problem of all those hidden records, passports, college records, birth records etc. Barry may well be a legitimate U. S. citizen, but 99.99999…percent of us simply don’t know the truth, including all of those who claim to know, such as Michelle Malkin and Billy O’Really.
    One wonders if it isn’t an abuse of power and perhaps illegal for Obama to use the DOJ to defend himself? At least if he loses, he should be forced to pay back the taxpayers big time.
    Like you I, hope that Judge Carter has the stones not to cave to the pressure that Obama is bringing upon him to dismiss the case. After all, if there is nothing to hide, why should Obama and his running dogs at the DOJ even care if the case goes forward? Obama can’t answer that simple question. He seems to be running scared.

  67. #67
    On October 4th, 2009 at 3:20 pm, CyberCipher said:

    Repent. The end is near.

    My collie says:

    CC, you’re just sayin’ that because UTEP scored 58 points against No. 12 ranked Houston yesterday.

    Yes, because UTEP used to be the perennial basement dweller of the WAC -for something like 30 years. How much more evidence do we need that the apocalypse is upon us?

    My collie says:

    Well, Northwestern DOES have a winning record thus far, and Stanford is in first place in the PAC-10. Hmmm – and South America got the Olympic games for the first time. You’re starting to make me just a bit uneasy, CC.

  68. #68
    On October 4th, 2009 at 3:20 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 1:46 pm, zeroangel said:

    Congratulations to your brother on his secular wedding. May God bless their union!! :grin:

    ZA Junior got all kinds of attention from family and friends. He also farted, pooped, and sighed really loud during the ceremony itself.

    It sounds like your little boy was just expressing his opinion on the whole “non-religious” thing. Just giving you a hard time, zero! :wink:

  69. #69
    On October 4th, 2009 at 3:27 pm, jangar said:

    He also farted, pooped, and sighed really loud during the ceremony itself.

    A chip off the old block ;)

  70. #70
    On October 4th, 2009 at 3:28 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “This is where us conservatives and “sensible” Republicans part ways in debates.”

    What I think Phil is this is were folks who want to be “leaders” count on people going with the sound bites instead of doing the hard work to think through the issues AND using the emotions that get stirred up quickly about end of life issues to leverage themselves into having a voting block or base.

    You can count on getting folks worked up and then getting on your band wagon. So lets throw around “death panel” and get them worked up and then tell them vote for me, I’ll fix the death panel thing.

    Sorry but there it is.

    I like Sarah Palin. She did not do her image any favors in my book.

    Now Dick Morris, who I often can’t stand given the way he talks and not sure I trust his used to be Bill Clinton’s go to guy history, has gotten the rationing, impact on elders, etc., right.

    So when one plays on people’s emotions, emotions that are stirred up cause most folks don’t do the work required to understand a thing clearly, to push themselves onto the national stage, I don’t like it and in the long run when folks find out their emotions were played with, that kind of strategy backfires.

    I hold several in the conservative movement responsible for the latest deliberate misinformation about end of life issues and the “death panel” stuff. Way more than us conservatives not being able to agree on a thing.

  71. #71
    On October 4th, 2009 at 3:37 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 3:28 pm, jsmiddleton4 said

    I agree, js. And so many are losing sight of our main priority here…to defeat the takeover of the marxist wing of the liberal party! The health”care” bill needs to go down in flames because there is more wrong with it than “just” the public option, or the abortion issue, or the illegal alien issue, or the death panel issue. The whole thing is garbage. As long as they don’t deal with the elephant in the room (in more ways than one!!), such as tort reform and insurance across state lines, the whole bill is a big pile of bat guana. We have to keep the pressure on to stop this thing. Then there is crap and tax, and don’t forget the so-called “fairness” doctrine. These weasels want us to take our eyes off of them long enough to sneak something past us in the dead of night, because, like vampires and zombies, that is when they do their best work.

  72. #72
    On October 4th, 2009 at 3:47 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 3:28 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    In a nutshell, think Adlai Stevenson. He ran as an intellectual, the smartest guy on the planet. You cannot get into a conservation with the public if no one will listen to you. We are blocked out of the conversation at every turn. Rhetoric is how we get into the conversation. Otherwise, we will merely be the modern version of AES.

    You worry too much about leaving a perfect trail of intellectually airtight argument. No one is listening and so in the end, you end up defending a candidate the Democrats selected for you. Candidates like John McCain, Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty and so on.

    If you want to win elections, you have to reach people with a coherent message. The GOP can’t even connect with its conservative base and is not credible being the party that stands for the Democratic Party agenda. It may work in Europe to be a socialist “conservative” but not here.

  73. #73
    On October 4th, 2009 at 3:49 pm, BOB said:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 3:18 pm, nuss said:
    Right on McCloud9. Too many pundits and talking heads think they understand the issues and that people like you should be wearing tinfoil hats. Bill O’Reilly and our host, Michelle Malkin, are among them. However, they don’t seem to be aware of the gravity of the issue and the fact that it makes no difference whether Barry Soetoro (or what ever his name is) was born in Hawaii or not. Under the law he is not elibible to be president simply because his father was a British citizen at the time of Obama’s birth, and Obama’s mother was not old enough to confer U. S. Citzenship on him.

    Exactly, and in addition to that there is no proof that he was actually born in Hawaii. I’m starting to believe the talking heads are afraid of being ridiculed, or maybe they have been intimidated? No one is saying anyone has to believe, (as I do), that there is no way Barry is in fact eligibile to be president, but at the very least they should be able to see enough uncertainty to warrant an independent, thorough investigation. Something is badly wrong when the president sends DOJ lawyers all over the country to beat down lawsuits for “lack of standing” rather than show proof of his eligibility.

  74. #74
    On October 4th, 2009 at 3:50 pm, swede said:

    Now Dick Morris, who I often can’t stand given the way he talks and not sure I trust his used to be Bill Clinton’s go to guy history, has gotten the rationing, impact on elders, etc., right.

    Morris lost me on Hannity during the campaign. They were discussing McCain suspending his campaign to return to Washington and fix up the economic crisis. Morris said it was a “brilliant move”. Eeeeehh, not so much Dick.

  75. #75
    On October 4th, 2009 at 3:54 pm, zeroangel said:

    Happyscrapper:

    Congratulations to your brother on his secular wedding. May God bless their union!!

    Zeus was actually mentioned since the legend of the Golden Apple from the judgment of Paris was one of the themes. As for my boy expressing his opinion, I think he was upset Neptune wasn’t given a sacrifice. Either way, I understand the sentiment, but we don’t need Yahweh’s blessing, we have Zeus’s.

    That said, I guess it wasn’t completely secular, but then again, everyone knows the Greek Gods aren’t real.

    Jangar:

    A chip off the old block

    Just like you’d expect a primate to behave! I am so proud!

  76. #76
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:03 pm, happyscrapper said:

    By the way, zero…did your brother marry a woman? You didn’t say.

  77. #77
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:04 pm, swede said:

    happyscrapper – Low, but effective.

    zero – God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life. Junior too. God bless!

    3…2…1…

  78. #78
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:04 pm, jangar said:

    By the way, zero…did your brother marry a woman? You didn’t say.

    For she came from man.

  79. #79
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:16 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:04 pm, swede said:
    happyscrapper – Low, but effective.

    Actually, it was a ligitimate question. Now days, you never know. I wasn’t being mean, just curious.

  80. #80
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:18 pm, purealchemy said:

    Zero, if you’re happy, we’re happy!

    I add myself to the list of those curious about your brother’s “partner”.

  81. #81
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:26 pm, swede said:

    happyscrapper – I know. Just trying to bait the poor persecuted Godless one into a rant.

    pure – Howdy! What ever happened to the new monster thread? What is the meaning of life? How many zeroangels can you fit on the head of a pin?

    Inquiring minds…

  82. #82
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:27 pm, purealchemy said:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:16 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Actually, it was a legitimate question. Now days, you never know. I wasn’t being mean, just curious

    Actually, it could be worse. Could be non-human.
    I’ll just hope he, she or it is a Republican. :wink:

  83. #83
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:29 pm, purealchemy said:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:26 pm, swede said:

    pure – Howdy! What ever happened to the new monster thread? What is the meaning of life? How many zeroangels can you fit on the head of a pin?

    Howdy, swede!
    Unfortunately the previous attempt at a new monster thread met with a sudden natural death.

  84. #84
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:30 pm, jangar said:

    zero:

    Tell us your brother didn’t marry a dolphin or llama?!?

  85. #85
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:31 pm, purealchemy said:

    What is the meaning of life?

    Praying for the resurrection of the old monster thread,
    Maybe we could get ACORN on that project.

  86. #86
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:32 pm, jangar said:

    Me thinks zero is on diaper detail…

  87. #87
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:34 pm, jangar said:

    Just the thought of zerjunior poopin’ his britches is a testimony to the perfect design of the awesome Almighty God.

  88. #88
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:36 pm, purealchemy said:

    If his brother married an aquarium full of fish would that be polygamy?

  89. #89
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:37 pm, purealchemy said:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:26 pm, swede said:
    happyscrapper – I know. Just trying to bait the poor persecuted Godless one into a rant.

    He’s not biting.

  90. #90
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:38 pm, swede said:

    Actually, it could be worse. Could be non-human.

    Or hermaphrodite! That would eliminate any sexisism or homophobic problems.

    Praying for the resurrection of the old monster thread,
    Maybe we could get ACORN on that project.

    I think Bertha Lewis is too preoccupied at the moment to tackle such a task. Unless we tell her it involves illegal alien child sex slaves. Then she’d be on it in a heartbeat.

  91. #91
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:43 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:26 pm, swede said:
    happyscrapper – I know. Just trying to bait the poor persecuted Godless one into a rant.

    You don’t need to bait…he will join in sooner than you would like!! Yeah, must be diaper detail. Good. Maybe he will get real busy playing with the little guy. I start playing with my grandson and lose all track of time! :grin:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:34 pm, jangar said:
    Just the thought of zerjunior poopin’ his britches is a testimony to the perfect design of the awesome Almighty God.

    I have at times wished His Almighty design did NOT include that particular function.

  92. #92
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:45 pm, swede said:

    jangar said:
    Just the thought of zerjunior poopin’ his britches is a testimony to the perfect design of the awesome Almighty God.

    Not So Intelligent Design??

  93. #93
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:46 pm, happyscrapper said:

    I can’t believe even the OPEN THREAD has disolved into anarchy. Shame on all of you. I had nothing to do with it.

  94. #94
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:46 pm, purealchemy said:

    Wouldn’t it be more secular just to “live in sin”?

  95. #95
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:46 pm, jangar said:

    Unless we tell her it involves illegal alien child sex slaves. Then she’d be on it in a heartbeat.

    Big market for that on the left.

    I have at times wished His Almighty design did NOT include that particular function.

    Nor the odor. Gack!

  96. #96
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:47 pm, purealchemy said:

    the OPEN THREAD has disolved into anarchy.

    Open means open means anarchy!

  97. #97
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:48 pm, jangar said:

    swede:

    Not So Intelligent Design??

    I like to cut to the chase…it’s God’s business.

  98. #98
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:48 pm, swede said:

    I had nothing to do with it.

    Of course not. It is the result of eight years of failed Bush administration policies. No Hope. No Change.

  99. #99
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:51 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:46 pm, purealchemy said:
    Wouldn’t it be more secular just to “live in sin”?

    That is another legitimate question to ask Zero! Seriously, why not just have a civil ceremoney? Or, maybe that is what it was, but zero just called it a “wedding”. I guess I always think of a wedding as being a sacred union blessed by God. Oh well, I am so old fashioned!

  100. #100
    On October 4th, 2009 at 4:55 pm, jangar said:

    Jeepers, I hope zero didn’t fall in!

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