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1. #818380
   On October 6th, 2009 at 11:10 am, rplatt said:

   Apple needs to get out of politics lest their apple begins to rot from the inside out.

2. #818386
   On October 6th, 2009 at 11:14 am, shooter said:

   if Apple were really concerned about environmental health, it would leave China, not the US Chamber of Commerce:

   Cant say no more about that!

   I am too disappointed having grown up on Macs in my computer life. Still have 4
   old ones.
   Anyone want an Imac g-3? w/ OS10? Cute little thing.
   Or an old tower from 1995 (or so)?

3. #818388
   On October 6th, 2009 at 11:15 am, Flyoverman said:

   Mac’s suck. If you want to do business with them, knock yourself out.

   I do not and I will not.

4. #818401
   On October 6th, 2009 at 11:27 am, sonofdy said:

   China, home of the finest slave laborers in the world.

5. #818408
   On October 6th, 2009 at 11:33 am, granite said:

   Hmmm….

   I was giving serious thought to buying my first Apple as my next computer.

   However, after seeing the goofy attitude of Apple manifested by this move, I’ve decided to not even bother considering an Apple.
   I can live with a PC, as I have for ~20 years.

   And, learning that that clown Al Gore is on Apple’s board instantly dispelled any second thoughts I might have entertained about my decision.

6. #818416
   On October 6th, 2009 at 11:39 am, beenthere said:

   Unfortunately, all the large high-tech companies are like that, greenie-weenies and in-bed-with-the-reds types. China is viewed by many at the highest levels of the IT world as almost a utopia, certainly an ideal that all others should emulate. Aspiring Maoist intellectuals like David Brooks and Thomas Friedman (who is very influential) are typical of that mindset and unfortunately set the standard for political discourse. In my experience software developers are among the most leftist people on the planet and their managers even worse. Are there big problems in China? Sure, but they will happily tell you there wouldn’t be if the United States would just shut up and either go away or go green.

7. #818417
   On October 6th, 2009 at 11:40 am, RedDog said:

   So when will Apple pressure the Chinese government to adopt the Clean Air Act? Isn’t actual air pollution in China much worse than the invisible, if not debatable/mythical, problem of U.S. CO2 emissions?

   Apple are corporate sellouts of a different color. None of the developing countries give a crap about the ideas and goals of loony secular-progressive morons. China is a rapacious nation regarding the environment and human rights, so for Apple to make a big show of leaving the US Chamber of Commerce is truly self-serving sanctimony. What a bunch of eco punk frauds.

8. #818420
   On October 6th, 2009 at 11:40 am, Ralph Gizzip said:

   Too much Green Apple gives you a tummy ache.

9. #818421
   On October 6th, 2009 at 11:41 am, spaceycakes said:

   I try not to buy anything from any company that would like me to bow to their junk-pseudo-science agenda.

10. #818424
    On October 6th, 2009 at 11:44 am, RobM1981 said:

    The iPhone is a masterpiece. There is no other way to view this device. It is unbelievable.

    It is also, as proudly stated on the back “Made in China.”

    Designed in California, where I’m sure Apple is using all kinds of green gimmicks to lower their carbon footprint, but made in the Enviro Terrorism Capital Of The Universe.

    The hypocrisy is palpable.

    As for Mac’s, they’re lousy computers if you want to do much more than word process. They’re slow, they struggle with multi-tasking, and their flat-ish file layout is a joke. Talk about ruining a perfectly good LINUX installation with a lousy shell…

    BUT – it’s all about image. People are told “Mac’s are better” by those cute ads, and they believe it.

    Just like they will believe that Apple is a “green” company. Hogwash. Their products are as foul as any others.

11. #818429
    On October 6th, 2009 at 11:45 am, RedDog said:

    Leaving China = Lost Revenue = Lower Earnings

    Leaving US Chamber of Commerce = Free Cred w/ Eco Freaks

    Not a hard choice for “global thinking” anti-Americans.

12. #818433
    On October 6th, 2009 at 11:46 am, irving said:

    Apple supports regulating greenhouse gas emissions competitor’s attempts at manufacturing systems.

    Fixed it.

13. #818440
    On October 6th, 2009 at 11:51 am, happyscrapper said:

    Someone needs to give these folks a reality check. The globe is not warming..it is actually in a cooling phase. And even if we all went “green” tomorrow, and they passed Crap and Tax, it would make absolutely no difference, except to further destroy our economy. China continues to spew crap into the air. Do we not share air space with them? Any possible benefits we would garner from being “green” in this country is more than cancelled out by China. Meanwhile, China owns us. Wake up, America, we are being screwed.

14. #818443
    On October 6th, 2009 at 11:54 am, RedDog said:

    On October 6th, 2009 at 11:44 am, RobM1981 said:
    The iPhone is a masterpiece… It is also, as proudly stated on the back “Made in China.”

    Designed in California… but made in the Enviro Terrorism Capital Of The Universe.

    Well said. And many corporations, not just Apple, would only be too happy to burn America’s founding documents and become a permanent satellite of China. They have no regard whatsoever for this country or it’s people. This is just a place for them to work.

    Their place in the one world globalization effort is speeding the transfer of American middle class wealth to the developing nations. I guess new millenium economics really is a zero sum game.

15. #818446
    On October 6th, 2009 at 11:54 am, behiker said:

    If you are looking for an option other than Apple’s iPhone, check out the Palm Pre. I’ve had mine since the day it came out and absolutely love it! It’s currently only for Sprint customers, but will be released to others after the first of the year.

16. #818448
    On October 6th, 2009 at 11:55 am, happyscrapper said:

    Drill here, drill now
    Build nuclear plants
    Then close our borders, send the arabs back to their sandboxes…and I guarantee we can survive very well. Yeah, I know I am dreaming.

17. #818452
    On October 6th, 2009 at 11:56 am, Truesoldier said:

    Of course Apple supports cap and tax…they know that the majority of their manufacturing is done in China, so they have no worries.

18. #818459
    On October 6th, 2009 at 11:59 am, orlandocajun said:

    This is only a guess, but I’d be willing to bet that Apple wasn’t to be affected by the Cap and Tax Bill.

    On October 6th, 2009 at 11:55 am, happyscrapper said:

    Drill here, drill now
    Build nuclear plants
    Then close our borders, send the arabs back to their sandboxes…and I guarantee we can survive very well. Yeah, I know I am dreaming.

    Happy, you should run for office. That’s an excellent platform.

19. #818474
    On October 6th, 2009 at 12:09 pm, mattymatt10 said:

    MACS are used by smug computer snobs who look down their long geek noses when informed that someone else uses a PC.

    I have never and will never buy an Apple product.

    Unless its an IPOD. Even then, I might go with a competitor’s MP3 player.

20. #818495
    On October 6th, 2009 at 12:21 pm, Ron said:

    At Apple, it’s all about appearances. They see their customers as hip, so they have to appear hip. They realize cap-and-tax won’t really hurt them — they’ll just pass along any increase to their customers, probably with an additional markup. And they’ll come out with a “green” iPhone, etc. It’s all about marketing.

21. #818513
    On October 6th, 2009 at 12:37 pm, eCurmudgeon said:

    On October 6th, 2009 at 12:09 pm, mattymatt10 said:
    Even then, I might go with a competitor’s MP3 player.

    Might I suggest either Creative or better still the new Microsoft Zune HD?

    I’m actually leaning towards getting a Zune, not due to any strengths of the product itself (although I hear it’s pretty good and supports gapless playback), but because it tends to freak out Apple fashionistas in rather amusing ways…

22. #818524
    On October 6th, 2009 at 12:41 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    mattymatt10 said: MACS are used by smug computer snobs who look down their long geek noses when informed that someone else uses a PC.

    I agree that that describes the majority and … so does Apple. Their move to leave the chamber is simply a calculated marketing decision. Either they received a lot of inquires or they are acting premptively.

    In either case I hope that enough of their otherwise silent intelligent customer base will be offended enough to jump, (I wonder what Rush will have to say?)

    AGW is a sinking ship and now with an Apple on top.

23. #818525
    On October 6th, 2009 at 12:42 pm, eCurmudgeon said:

    On October 6th, 2009 at 12:21 pm, Ron said:

    At Apple, it’s all about appearances. They see their customers as hip, so they have to appear hip.

    The common refrain is that Apple is a fashion “lifestyle” company that also just happens to design electronics as well.

    As to actually “building” these products, I’ve made it a point to ask iPhone owners how many cellphones in China were executed to obtain the parts for their shiny new toy.

24. #818531
    On October 6th, 2009 at 12:46 pm, irving said:

    On October 6th, 2009 at 12:09 pm, mattymatt10 said:

    MACS are used by smug computer snobs who look down their long geek noses when informed that someone else uses a PC.

    I resent you calling Mac people GEEKS. Real computer geeks use Linux (and look down our noses at everybody, including each other, but that’s another story).

    Mac people are artistes who think of themselves as rebels and far more sophisticated than the ignorant, unwashed fools who use PCs.

    Sound like ordinary liberals, don’t they?

25. #818535
    On October 6th, 2009 at 12:48 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    irving said: Mac people are artistes who think of themselves as rebels and far more sophisticated than the ignorant, unwashed fools who use PCs.

    Careful, MM & Rush Limbaugh have a Mac. (I wonder what Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham use?)

26. #818536
    On October 6th, 2009 at 12:49 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Happy, you should run for office. That’s an excellent platform.

    I might just do that!

27. #818544
    On October 6th, 2009 at 12:54 pm, irving said:

    Careful, MM & Rush Limbaugh have a Mac.

    Good point. But they are also celebrities who aren’t idiot liberals. Maybe they break the mold in lots of other ways, too.

    I have worked IT support in a company with PCs, Macs, and Unix and Linux too. I learned to despise the arrogance of the Mac people. When their systems messed up, they always assumed it was someone else’s fault.

    On the other hand, nearly everyone at that company was incredibly liberal. It was a newspaper. I suppose it’s possible I’m confusing cause & effect.

28. #818562
    On October 6th, 2009 at 1:00 pm, rightwingrocker said:

    Dude …

    I got a Dell!

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

29. #818581
    On October 6th, 2009 at 1:13 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    I built my home PC on an Asus P4 MB with a Quantum Atlas SCSI HD and ATI Radeon 7500 ‘AIW’ running Win 98. It has served me very well for many years but is getting rather stale especially online because I can’t upgrade from Netscape 7.1 to anything ‘modern’.

    Engineers generally don’t use Apple anything.

30. #818607
    On October 6th, 2009 at 1:38 pm, PKAmmoTroop said:

    NOW you all know why I carry a Zune and make calls on a Windows Mobile phone.

31. #818609
    On October 6th, 2009 at 1:39 pm, rocketman said:

    HI HAPPYSCRAPPER–I like your plan–but it needs some Texas style improvements. Like cutting off the ground under the U.N. building and having a few tugboats tow it to Somalia–or some other hellhole. And no more U.S. Taxpayer to this failed organization or other foreign states. Cash and carry business only–they can take care of their own starving people.
    ***
    Your plan may be coming true sooner than you think. The Arab oil producing states are abandoning the dollar for oil sales as the wild spending sinks its value. This will soon run up gas prices bigtime–as will the ill effects of President Obama’s (PBUH) EPIC FAIL economic policies.
    ***
    Rocketman will vote for Happyscrapper ideas–I think they will come with Sarah Palin and John Bolton in 2012.
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

32. #818628
    On October 6th, 2009 at 1:50 pm, greenfairie said:

    Agreed, it’s all for “show.” Crap-And-Tax doesn’t hurt them since it’s all made in China anyway.

    Well, it won’t hurt them until sales plummet because small businesses go belly-up and consumers can’t afford their toys.

    (And I’m a 25-year Mac user.)

33. #818630
    On October 6th, 2009 at 1:52 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    …I love my [overpriced] iPhone, [overpriced] iMac, and [overpriced] Macbook Pro…

    Sorry Michelle….

34. #818635
    On October 6th, 2009 at 1:58 pm, mom2jack said:

    Apple makes all their gadgets obsolete within a year so people will buy the latest and greatest… generating an incredible amount of electronic waste from the iPhones and iPods that people don’t want anymore. It would be nice to be able to go in and buy a battery for an iPod instead of… a new iPod. So instead of practices that will really help the environment they do their symbolic temper tantrum. I guess that’s easier.

35. #818641
    On October 6th, 2009 at 2:04 pm, ScottyDog said:

    If Apple had any scruples or corporate consciousness they would close the gulags in Longhua, China and build them in the USA.

    Some 200,000 Chinese child laborers work to make those i-Pods in slave labor camps where they work 15 hours a day seven days a week for less than $50 a month.

    The Sunday Mail found:

    * The child laborers are housed in dormitories of 100 people each.

    * visitors from the outside world are not permitted.

    Remember that the next time you go to WalMart to get an Apple I-pod that it was made with “Green” child labor in a Chinese sweatshop.

36. #818642
    On October 6th, 2009 at 2:05 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    And they’ll come out with a “green” iPhone, etc. It’s all about marketing.

    DOCOMO, Sharp and Olympus in Japan are using wood waste in phones…Apple is late to the party.

37. #818644
    On October 6th, 2009 at 2:07 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Remember that the next time you go to WalMart to get an Apple I-pod that it was made with “Green” child labor in a Chinese sweatshop.

    At least it keeps them from breaking the rules and competing in the Olympics when they’re too young…

38. #818646
    On October 6th, 2009 at 2:08 pm, mojo said:

    Please. If Apple gave China any crap, they’d find themselves standing around out in the cold while China did a replay of the “Apple II” theft.

39. #818648
    On October 6th, 2009 at 2:09 pm, RobM1981 said:

    One other thing to consider: what little “cred” this gives them is nowhere near what they will need if Mr. Jobs is as sick as some still say he is.

    If you know anybody who works at Apple they will share what is commonly assumed: Apple IS Steve Jobs.

    I, personally, wish him great health and success. As over-hyped as Mac’s are, the iPhone *is* a masterpiece, and if the Mac Tablet is even half as good it will be very impressive. Why would I want to keep that from the market?

    Apple has much bigger fish to fry than Global Warming. If Mr. Jobs becomes unable to work, that company is in a LOT of long-term trouble.

40. #818694
    On October 6th, 2009 at 2:45 pm, cheapseat said:

    aloha ….one point after another, and funny too. i heard a st louis disc jockey talking about how st louis doesn’t need the rams, it needs jobs, teachers, schools etc. yet this putz was all for the union state law which is exactly why missouri is losing it’s big businesses. some go to right to work states, some to mexico, and some to china. meanwhile lib politicians whine and moan about mean business owners. they then applaud the university of missouri for hiring foreign researchers and workers.

41. #818698
    On October 6th, 2009 at 2:49 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    Be sure to click on the link and see the compare and contrast photos of air quality at Apple’s Cupertino CA office vs. Shenzhen, China, where iPhones are manufactured.

    Pretty stark contrast.

    Apple is acting like a typical liberal. It will pick a fight with an entity that will not harm them in return. But avoids and in fact, runs away from an entity that has teeth and could harm it.

    So where is Apple’s Eco-Moral Compass when it comes to China? Or their bottom line? Hmmmmm???

    hypocrites

42. #818727
    On October 6th, 2009 at 3:09 pm, emjem24 said:

    God, I hate Apple. One of the most sanctimonious companies out there. Used to make good products but the glow has rubbed off. My first, real computer was an Apple and I used that sucker to get through college. It served its purpose. That’s probably the only good thing you can say about Apple.

    The thing about Apple is that it’s not that special. It’s overpriced and overexposed. It’s the only computer used in higher education. I don’t get it but there it is. People praise this brand but seems more like cult worship than actual brand loyalty. The I-Phone is a good example of some of the technology that has made things easier but then can be so easily one-upped.

    What really concerns me is that if Apple wants to be some eco-warrior example of the good that a company can do for the environment, then why are their I-Phones being made in China? Why are they dealing with China? One can say that they have an even bigger market in China than here in the States. That it’s cheaper to make their product overseas than here in the States.

    I wish we could return to a time when China was still in the Stone Ages and we still made our own stuff here in the States. Our textiles, autos, appliances, electronics, most of them aren’t being made here anymore. Unions have overstepped the natural export-import relationship and now we have companies claiming their eco-warrior status when, really, they’ve not only exported all their production but sold out this country.

    I hate Apple. It was a brand of the 80’s and 90’s. Many, like me, have moved on to other products that are at least honest about where they come from. Like Sony. Apples are also not really good gaming computers no matter how hard they try.

43. #818776
    On October 6th, 2009 at 4:04 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    Oh man… I know the Apple folks are flakes but thats what I kinda like about them – an alternative to Microsoft. And here I am about to go buy ANOTHER iPod and to pay an iPhone bill in a few minutes.

    But since I have bought less than 1/2 tank of gas from ExxonMobil (Exxon b4 they merged) since the ExxonValdez wreck, I have no problem going cold turkey on them.

    Oh wait… did Obama celebrate the 20th anniversary of that continuing corporate clustermuck??? I completely missed the sanctimony this spring.

44. #818782
    On October 6th, 2009 at 4:10 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    On October 6th, 2009 at 3:09 pm, emjem24 said:
    Apples are also not really good gaming computers no matter how hard they try.

    Of course its not a gaming computer, its Unix (bsd). And who the heck decided to put it on an Intel chip instead of a PowerPC? (yeh yeh heat exchange)

    You dont play WoW on your corporate database server either. I bet if you tweeked your process thread priority niceness it might work a little better though since you ~are root.

    hmm, might have to try that myself

45. #818785
    On October 6th, 2009 at 4:15 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    On October 6th, 2009 at 12:46 pm, irving said:

    On October 6th, 2009 at 12:09 pm, mattymatt10 said:

    MACS are used by smug computer snobs who look down their long geek noses when informed that someone else uses a PC.

    I resent you calling Mac people GEEKS. Real computer geeks use Linux

    uhhh Mac is Linux – with a sexy desktop wrapper…. but who uses the GUI interface anyway?

    And yeh, I can hack a PC in seconds, as opposed to it taking minutes for a Mac LOL

46. #818837
    On October 6th, 2009 at 5:14 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Real computer geeks use Linux

    Real geeks write their own operating systems…

47. #818844
    On October 6th, 2009 at 5:23 pm, UglyBagOfMostlyWater said:

    uhhh Mac is Linux Unix

    Fixed.

48. #818873
    On October 6th, 2009 at 6:00 pm, mojo said:

    REAL programmers use “copy con > out.exe”

49. #818947
    On October 6th, 2009 at 7:34 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    AlohaGuy said:

    Real computer geeks use Linux

    Real geeks write their own operating systems…

    … in machine code.

50. #818956
    On October 6th, 2009 at 8:27 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    dont make me stash my code in unused registers and tunnel down the bus at my leisure. and anybody else programmed in Assembly to control their iPod from the OS?

    oooooh I like the one-up on the writing the OS! score

    On October 6th, 2009 at 5:23 pm, UglyBagOfMostlyWater said:

    uhhh Mac is Linux Unix

    Fixed.

    no
    10,12/Linu/Uni/g

    and note my previous comment that its bsd lol

51. #818961
    On October 6th, 2009 at 9:02 pm, greenLibertarian said:

    Apple makes a large number of disposable, or practically so, products – which contain un-replaceable or exorbitantly priced batteries, and so have no business preaching Green to anyone. Batteries are among the most toxic items we dispose of.

52. #818975
    On October 6th, 2009 at 9:58 pm, Freddy said:

    The entire cap-an-tax plan will ultimatly require stiff import taxes for products produced in countries that do not have the same enviro-whacko positions.

    This might just be Apple’s last desperate gasp to push others into the same importing position that they are now in.

53. #818990
    On October 6th, 2009 at 11:13 pm, jamesgreenidge said:

    It’s exasperating to see commercials from corn flakes to computer networks to bottlers falling all over another hailing how “green” and “natural” they are. I can’t watch Campbell soup commercials anymore because they sound like I’m eating at a clinic instead of a restaurant.

    James Greenidge
    Queens NY
    Owner of three Macs since 1996 and one Amiga

54. #819009
    On October 7th, 2009 at 1:42 am, Little Ma said:

    Now I’m depressed.

    I’m far from being a liberal snob, but I had an eMac, and now a MacBook. Just bought a grandson a MacBook Pro to use in college. Did I do a bad thing?

    BTW, I found an online source for things made in America. Their list is quite long, but I haven’t had time to explore all the products and companies listed, so I don’t know about computers. All I wanted was pajamas. lol Check out americanmadeyes.com if you’re interested.

55. #819016
    On October 7th, 2009 at 3:14 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    When Steve Bonzo Billy Jobs makes the iPhone, iMac, Macbook Pro and iPod out of wood and steel I shall listen to the lad.

    Well not really-he is still a jerk.

56. #819083
    On October 7th, 2009 at 10:13 am, GladzKravtz said:

    Now I’m depressed.

    Me too. I grew up on Macs, have a lot of respect for their innovations and even bought stock wayyy back. That thing about investing in companies you believe in …
    Now, I’ll have to decide whether to sell the stock … just like I did when I sold my General Electric stock a few years ago. Principles …

    Appreciate the tips on other phones/MP3s etc.

57. #819252
    On October 7th, 2009 at 1:10 pm, tiredofit08 said:

    On October 6th, 2009 at 11:44 am, RobM1981 said:
    The iPhone is a masterpiece… It is also, as proudly stated on the back “Made in China.”

    Designed in California… but made in the Enviro Terrorism Capital Of The Universe.

    mine says “Designed by Apple in California Assembled in China” not much difference than being “made in china” i guess….

58. #819577
    On October 7th, 2009 at 11:02 pm, American Elephant said:

    Michelle, its time to go PC.

59. #823490
    On October 14th, 2009 at 10:58 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    WSJ follows Michelle’s lead….

    And Nike too –

    Nike, meanwhile, makes most of its shoes and apparel in 700 contract factories in countries such as South Korea and Vietnam—which also won’t sign up for the Boxer-Kerry energy tax. The larger point is that neither Apple nor Nike would pay as much under a cap-and-trade bill as, say, the maker of Bobcat excavators in Bismarck, N.D., or your average Midwest natural gas utility. Green virtue is easier when someone else is paying for it.