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1. #818944
   On October 6th, 2009 at 7:31 pm, Fineous Reese said:

   On October 6th, 2009 at 6:16 pm, chapoutier said:

   Jennings knew that an adult was having illegal sex with a minor. And Jennings did nothing to end the exploitation, thus aiding in the continuing sexual exploitation of a minor by another adult.

   Get your facts right at least. The boy was 16, which as distasteful as it is, was the legal age of consent.

   I heard the audio clip today of Jennings talking about this. He said the boy was 15. It doesn’t matter if the boy was actually 16 because Jennings believed he was 15 and yet did not report the incident. If he did the right thing and reported it then he would’ve found out the boy was 16 and the report would’ve been thrown out. As it was, he allowed, in the *best* light, a *possible* rape of an underage child by an adult go by with his only comment being, “I hope you used a condom.”

   Let’s not go all the way back to Jefferson. Jump back to Foley a few years back, what did Pelosi say should be done about him and those who knew about him?

2. #818946
   On October 6th, 2009 at 7:33 pm, purealchemy said:

   On October 6th, 2009 at 6:47 pm, happy2behere said:
   Sorry, purealchemy. Emotional adrenaline clouded the memory, was it good for you too?

   Well, if it’s only implied once in a day that I’m a racist, maybe that’s not doing too badly.

3. #818953
   On October 6th, 2009 at 8:10 pm, happy2behere said:

   OK now I remember, and I think see why you injected it in the thread today. I do think The Bircher Society has racist roots, but I dont know you. If I implied you are a racist and you are not, I apologize.

4. #818954
   On October 6th, 2009 at 8:18 pm, happy2behere said:

   Maybe an additional apology is necessary as well. I impuned Chapoutier’s character when I wrote that he minimized Hay’s advocacy of Nambla. Mr. Chapoutier subsequently denounced such behavior and I stand corrected.

5. #818973
   On October 6th, 2009 at 9:55 pm, happy2behere said:

   On a different note, the first to bring up the Jefferson analogy was chap. Some bit the bait but others recognized the posts for what they are, diversion from the issue. The important issue is Jennings’ fitness for the job. Jennings choice of Hay for “inspiration” and his mishandling of an inappropriate relationship calls his judgement into question. Surely there is someone better qualified to keep children safe in school than this.

6. #819049
   On October 7th, 2009 at 9:21 am, spaceycakes said:

   At least I wasn’t denounced as ‘homophobic’ (yet)–on this thread. I was only called (obliquely) a ‘moral relativist’ that may, in the future, ‘whine’ about liberals doing the same thing…

   I’ll take it.

7. #819054
   On October 7th, 2009 at 9:26 am, dan708 said:

   I’m beginning to lose track of All The President’s Scandals. Did anyone create a Wikipedia entry for this subject?
   All right, you can stop laughing, everybody!

8. #819106
   On October 7th, 2009 at 10:39 am, purealchemy said:

   All The President’s Scandals.

   More like “throwing under the bus” is elevated to an Olympic event.

9. #819559
   On October 7th, 2009 at 9:40 pm, tbear44 said:

   All members of NAMBLA need to be rounded up and put away. What a disgusting bunch of filth and trash these “folks” are. I would tell you how I would deal with these lowlife pieces of human filth but I don’t want to get banned just yet.
   As for Obama’s school czar, is anyone surprised?

10. #819999
    On October 8th, 2009 at 5:15 pm, happy2behere said:

    Earlier, I posted an apology for impuning someone’s charcter because he admired some of Harry Hay’s activities, unrelated to those of Nambla. In my responses, I did not mean to imply the poster condoned underaged or child sex but it could be read that way, thus the apology. It was the right thing to do, and yet, I’m still uncomforatable about it.

    Maybe its the topic that’s bothering me and not the poster(s) comments. It’s very unsettling that more than one person here would publicly rationlize Hay’s comments in support of Nambla, because Hay did other good things. Especially when you look at what Hay said, “If the parents and friends of gays are truly friends of gays, they would know from their gay kids that the relationship with an older man is precisely what 13,14,15 year-old kids need more than anything else in the world.” Look at that statement in light of Nambla’s stated goal, to eliminate age of consent laws. Then compare and contrast Jenning’s actions when a 15/16 year-old kid at the school where Jennings was an administrator confessed a sexual realtionship with a 44 year-old man that he hooked up with in a bus station restroom. What kind of educator couldn’t recognize the cry for psycological help that confession was? Only one who would condone a 15 year-old having sex with an older man. Jennings reply to wear a condom confirmed his support.

    People on this thread have tried to make the argument that it is possible Jennings did not know about Hays’ comments. Well, the comments were easy for ME to find. I can’t believe an educated man like Jennings, who has written about gays in society, endorsed books about them and worked in the field, did not know such a key piece of history about the founder of the gay rights movement.

    If Obama’s intent was to make schools safer for LGBT kids, that makes sense as those children are often picked apart by others and need protection. But Jenning is too radical and polarizing a figure to be effective. Jennings should step aside and Obama should find someone else.

11. #820105
    On October 8th, 2009 at 8:11 pm, chapoutier said:

    happy2behere,

    I want to respond to your latest comment, but do not have enough time to give it the answer it deserves. If you read this, check in again tomorrow and I will have some thoughts.

12. #820124
    On October 8th, 2009 at 9:05 pm, zeroangel said:

    This ought to be good. I got to remember to check tomorrow!

13. #820503
    On October 9th, 2009 at 10:38 am, zeroangel said:

    …ok… so??? Let’s have it Chap.