The Taliban have studied history and learned well. They see that the left will win their war for them, too. Especially, now that the president is a vain, limp dick fool!

The next thing you Afghanistan and Iraq War Vets have to look forward to is the leftwing propagandist media to chart chortling over how “you” lost to a valiant enemy.

I think it will take longer than thirty years to bring us back from the damage that Obama and the democrats are inflicting on the U.S.A. If indeed, we can ever recover from it.

Your comments on how Tet broke the back of the Vietcong and the opinions of Vo Nguyen Giap and Ho Chi Minh are true.

Let’s hope that we have learned something from the past. Even if Mr. Obama failed to study or to learn the appropirate lessons from it.

However, I fear you’ll be right should we withdraw from the global war that we are currently engaged in. Moreover, if we go to a defensive posture the price will not be paid as heavily by the military as it will by the civilian populace. I wonder who will be the scapegoat when a dirty bomb or quite possibly a small nuke detonate in a major metropolitan area?

On October 11th, 2009 at 5:43 am, radio relay said:
I think it will take longer than thirty years to bring us back from the damage that Obama and the democrats are inflicting on the U.S.A. If indeed, we can ever recover from it.

Sad and absolutely infuriating, but true.

On October 10th, 2009 at 4:59 am, RetFireman said:

Hooray!!!! Another victory for our Nobel Peace Prize Winning Glorious Leader!!!!

Bringing the world peace through total and complete capitulation and appeasement. Yes, someone this nation can truly be proud of…the smartest man ever to sit in the Oval Office and someone we can all hold up for our children to emulate. Yes, truly he is The One as prophesied from long ago. Soon, even Israel and all the Jews will no longer be searching for their Messiah as he proves time and again in word and deed that he is the one they have been waiting for all these thousands of years, and even the Muslims will come to see him as the Mahdi they look for.

Peace in our time!!!! Peace in our time!!!!

Anyone else beginning to give serious thought to who the third person was that Nostradamus predicted?

Or the twelfth imam….

Fantastic. Maybe avoiding General McChrystal’s phone calls was not the president’s best idea?
On the day of President Obama’s glorious Nobel Appease Prize victory, a Taliban henchman gloats in Afghanistan in the aftermath of the Kamdesh…

On October 10th, 2009 at 5:15 pm, ssnark said:

On October 10th, 2009 at 9:29 am, graysonret said: in post #821285

Ssnark, sortof like the old firebases and S&D missions, we had in ‘Nam, passing the initiative to the enemy. Not a good sign

It wasn’t always that way. A year ago, before I retired, we were trying to win. Now, I think Gen. McChrystal is slowly pulling back troops to larger facilities where he can protect them better and preparing to be told to cede the countryside to the Taliban and prepare for a negotiated settlement. You remember, “Peace with honor.” you know the solution that then cuts funding for what little in the way of an effective army might exist and lets the government we once supported be swept aside. You may recall, the events that would lead to ‘re-education camps’ and ‘killing fields’. The one that the people who caused them would wring their hands in woe about?

I’m glad I retired rather than see the ignominy that is about to come to pass. I’m also ashamed that I retired rather than live through it like my friends and comrades will. It took thirty years to bring back pride and strength to the Army. I pity those who will try to rebuild it this time.

It wasn’t always that way in Vietnam either. ’68 Tet destroyed the Viet Cong, and pretty much wiped out a couple NVA divisions. It was a terrible blow to the communists. Giap wanted to call it quits, but Ho Chi Min wouldn’t let him. Ho counseled that the left in the U.S. would eventually win the war for them.

The Taliban have studied history and learned well. They see that the left will win their war for them, too. Especially, now that the president is a vain, limp dick fool!

The next thing you Afghanistan and Iraq War Vets have to look forward to is the leftwing propagandist media to chart chortling over how “you” lost to a valiant enemy.

I think it will take longer than thirty years to bring us back from the damage that Obama and the democrats are inflicting on the U.S.A. If indeed, we can ever recover from it.

Ssnark, sortof like the old firebases and S&D missions, we had in ‘Nam, passing the initiative to the enemy. Not a good sign

It wasn’t always that way. A year ago, before I retired, we were trying to win. Now, I think Gen. McChrystal is slowly pulling back troops to larger facilities where he can protect them better and preparing to be told to cede the countryside to the Taliban and prepare for a negotiated settlement. You remember, “Peace with honor.” you know the solution that then cuts funding for what little in the way of an effective army might exist and lets the government we once supported be swept aside. You may recall, the events that would lead to ‘re-education camps’ and ‘killing fields’. The one that the people who caused them would wring their hands in woe about?

I’m glad I retired rather than see the ignominy that is about to come to pass. I’m also ashamed that I retired rather than live through it like my friends and comrades will. It took thirty years to bring back pride and strength to the Army. I pity those who will try to rebuild it this time.

It is an absurd strategy. Afghanistan tribal peasants who still don’t hate the Taliban or like us are not going to be persuaded to like us. Ever. We could give them each a million dollars, and they would just figure it shows how stupid we infidels are and how thoroughly we’ve already been dhimmified by aggressive jihadists like the taliban and al qaeda.

Where will the Red Cross and Amnesty International, and liberal Democrats be while these people are tortured and slaughtered like animals. No worrries I guess.

They will have eternal peace. Thanks Barack the Great.

Bringing the world peace through total and complete capitulation and appeasement. Yes, someone this nation can truly be proud of…the smartest man ever to sit in the Oval Office and someone we can all hold up for our children to emulate. Yes, truly he is The One as prophesied from long ago. Soon, even Israel and all the Jews will no longer be searching for their Messiah as he proves time and again in word and deed that he is the one they have been waiting for all these thousands of years, and even the Muslims will come to see him as the Mahdi they look for.

Peace in our time!!!! Peace in our time!!!!

Anyone else beginning to give serious thought to who the third person was that Nostradamus predicted?

Why would commanders have set up a camp in a valley, giving up the high ground to the enemy?

In Afghanistan villages are usually placed on crests of mountains for a number of good reasons. Many US bases are placed in river valleys and just off of roads for reasons that aren’t as good. The bases are no longer constructed and haven’t been constructed by military engineers since the Bill Clinton was President. One of the major changes in how the military is structured was to put most of the Combat Support and Combat Service Support units into the Army reserve. This means that there are limits set forth in Title X of the US Code on deploying these forces. Moreover, under Secretaries of Defense, Les Aspin through Rumsfeld and continuing with Robert Gates what used to be built by Army Engineers with Army personnel is built by civilian contractors. These contractors will build in places that they can marshall the resources to build them. Thus the location of a US base overseas is limited to wherever a wheeled vehicle can go. In Afghanistan this almost always means ceding the high ground or even defensible ground to the enemy. The rationale used by the Pentagon is that we can use our airpower to make up for the altitudinally challenged location of our defenses. This proved quite wrong both at Wanat and Kamdesh and in many other places. Essentially US forces are limited to making Rally Points, Observation Posts, Listening Posts, Patrol Bases and other temporary positions on defensible ground. Otherwise, they must hope that the road or valley end in a defensible area.

FOB Keating was a particularly onerous location because the village that it was supposed to observe and protect was several thousand feet above on a peak that stood somewhere around 9,200 meters above mean sea level. When I was there a patrol went out each day camped out in one location and then in the dark moved to a higher elevation to maintain an OP on the village. My understanding is that Keating was being abandoned as part of a new “hunker down and wait near population centers” strategy (essentially preparing for a Vietnam like withdrawal while preserving the force as opposed to counter insurgency warfare which tends to be a strategy of attrition and politico-economic warfare).

If you want to be able to truly fight a war anywhere. Combat Service and Combat Service Support needs to be a part of the Regular (Active Component) forces. This is expensive. But what’s the life of a trooper or a hundred worth to you?

On October 9th, 2009 at 3:38 pm, Cadman said:

Fight to win, or get out.

I could care less about our reputation if it means leaving our soldiers under the rule of our waffling indecisive President.

Also – for the life of me I cannot understand why people are SO DANG LOYAL to Obama. How can his approval numbers still be so high????? I can only figure that it is the sunk cost fallacy. Keep dumping our money in even though we know better, just HOPE for a good outcome.

I beleive that his numbers are much lower in reality or based on the way things are going, will be their soon. When the job losses continue, many, but sadly not all libs will see the picture.

In Bosnia. Smashing Serbia for the KLA in Kosovo. Throwing Saddam out of Kuwait. Dying in Somalia. Helping Muslims in Indonesia. Democratizing Iraq. And now they are dying to protect Afghanistan civilians, whether or not those civilians are Taliban enablers.

The only time we fight Muslims we are doing it for other Muslims. We’re doing it for the Saudi King.

Think about it. We can’t criticize Islam or we are responsible for the people killed by Muslims in response. Outside of America it is considered ‘hate speech,’ and that madness will be here soon.

They have already won. We are already dhimmis. We pay them a fortune every day for the black goo in their ground because we aren’t allowed to drill our own.

And the Muslims aren’t even 10% of the population in the West yet. Just imagine what things will look like when 20% of the young men in the West are Muslim. That isn’t very far away.

9/11 wasn’t violent enough or graphic enough to wake us up. What will?