What did I tell ya? Lindsey Graham signs on to cap-and-tax

By Michelle Malkin  •  October 11, 2009 12:56 AM

I hate to say “I told you so.”

But, well, I told you so.

GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham has signed on to the Democrats’ massive green redistribution scheme masquerading as a planet-saving, national security-enhancing “energy independence” scheme.

Can John McCain and the rest of the Climate Change Republicans be far behind?

First, a quick trip down GOP eco-sellout memory lane:

Ugh: McCain & Company melting on cap-and-tax By Michelle Malkin • October 8, 2009 10:41 AM

Beware the Climate Change Republicans By Michelle Malkin • September 21, 2009 12:14 PM

McCain on offshore drilling: For it before he was against it before he was for it again; Update: McCain’s astounding flip-flop on windfall profits tax, plus a new global warming alarmist ad By Michelle Malkin • June 16, 2008 04:28 PM

McCain’s “climate change” tour bypasses cooler heads By Michelle Malkin • May 12, 2008 10:43 AM

Digging deeper: The enviro-nitwit-ization of the GOP By Michelle Malkin • December 13, 2007 02:08 AM

Now, the announcement of Graham’s alliance with Big Government Democrats. In the NYTimes, natch:

…we refuse to accept the argument that the United States cannot lead the world in addressing global climate change. We are also convinced that we have found both a framework for climate legislation to pass Congress and the blueprint for a clean-energy future that will revitalize our economy, protect current jobs and create new ones, safeguard our national security and reduce pollution.

Our partnership represents a fresh attempt to find consensus that adheres to our core principles and leads to both a climate change solution and energy independence. It begins now, not months from now — with a road to 60 votes in the Senate.

It’s true that we come from different parts of the country and represent different constituencies and that we supported different presidential candidates in 2008. We even have different accents. But we speak with one voice in saying that the best way to make America stronger is to work together to address an urgent crisis facing the world.

This process requires honest give-and-take and genuine bipartisanship. In that spirit, we have come together to put forward proposals that address legitimate concerns among Democrats and Republicans and the other constituencies with stakes in this legislation. We’re looking for a new beginning, informed by the work of our colleagues and legislation that is already before Congress.

Kerry and Graham go on to argue that we must buy into their plan because the EPA regulatory power grab will be worse. It’s greenmail: Sign on or else the out-of-control bureaucrats (and the unaccountable energy czar Carol Browner, they fail to mention) will make life even more hellish for businesses and taxpayers:

Failure to act comes with another cost. If Congress does not pass legislation dealing with climate change, the administration will use the Environmental Protection Agency to impose new regulations. Imposed regulations are likely to be tougher and they certainly will not include the job protections and investment incentives we are proposing.

The message to those who have stalled for years is clear: killing a Senate bill is not success; indeed, given the threat of agency regulation, those who have been content to make the legislative process grind to a halt would later come running to Congress in a panic to secure the kinds of incentives and investments we can pass today. Industry needs the certainty that comes with Congressional action.

But who’s to say the EPA and Browner wouldn’t go further anyway even if the Senate bill passes?! Evidence and dissent haven’t stopped their job-destroying eco-crusade before.

Speaking of which, the Competitive Enterprise Institute continues to blow the whistle on EPA’s shoddy data:

A free-market advocacy group has launched another attack on the science behind U.S. EPA’s proposed finding that greenhouse gases endanger human health and welfare.

The Competitive Enterprise Institute — a vocal foe of EPA’s efforts to finalize its “endangerment finding” — petitioned the agency this week to reopen the public comment period on the proposal, arguing that critical data used to formulate the plan have been destroyed and that the available data are therefore unreliable.

At issue is a set of raw data from the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia in Norwich, England, that includes surface temperature averages from weather stations around the world. According to CEI, the data provided a foundation for the 1996 second assessment report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which EPA used when drafting its endangerment proposal.

According to the Web site for East Anglia’s research unit, “Data storage availability in the 1980s meant that we were not able to keep the multiple sources for some sites, only the station series after adjustment for homogeneity issues. We, therefore, do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (i.e. quality controlled and homogenized) data.”

CEI general counsel Sam Kazman said this lack of raw data calls the endangerment finding into question. “EPA is resting its case on international studies that in turn relied on CRU data. But CRU’s suspicious destruction of its original data, disclosed at this late date, makes that information totally unreliable,” he said. “If EPA doesn’t re-examine the implications of this, it’s stumbling blindly into the most important regulatory issue we face.”

In a statement filed with CEI’s petition, Cato Institute senior fellow Patrick Michaels called the development a “totally new element” in the endangerment debate. “It violates basic scientific principles and throws even more doubt onto the contention that anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions endanger human welfare,” he wrote.

And more from Christine Hall:

Govt-Funded Research Unit Destroyed Original Climate Data

CEI Petitions EPA to Reopen Global Warming Rulemaking

Washington, D.C., October 6, 2009―In the wake of a revelation by a key research institution that it destroyed its original climate data, the Competitive Enterprise Institute petitioned EPA to reopen a major global warming proceeding.

In mid-August the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (CRU) disclosed that it had destroyed the raw data for its global surface temperature data set because of an alleged lack of storage space. The CRU data have been the basis for several of the major international studies that claim we face a global warming crisis. CRU’s destruction of data, however, severely undercuts the credibility of those studies.

In a declaration filed with CEI’s petition, Cato Institute scholar and climate scientist Patrick Michaels calls CRU’s revelation “a totally new element” that “violates basic scientific principles, and “throws even more doubt” on the claims of global warming alarmists.

CEI’s petition, filed late Monday with EPA, argues that CRU’s disclosure casts a new cloud of doubt on the science behind EPA’s proposal to regulate carbon dioxide. EPA stopped accepting public comments in late June but has not yet issued its final decision. As CEI’s petition argues, court rulings make it clear that agencies must consider new facts when those facts change the underlying issues.

CEI general counsel Sam Kazman stated, “EPA is resting its case on international studies that in turn relied on CRU data. But CRU’s suspicious destruction of its original data, disclosed at this late date, makes that information totally unreliable. If EPA doesn’t reexamine the implications of this, it’s stumbling blindly into the most important regulatory issue we face.”

Among CRU’s funders are the EPA and the U.S. Department of Energy – U.S. taxpayers.

Sen. Graham was too busy basking in the glow of bipartisanship to comment.

God save us from bipartisanship.

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  1. #101
    On October 11th, 2009 at 3:10 pm, BOB said:

    On October 11th, 2009 at 1:45 pm, happyscrapper said:

    I think that seceding from the union has a better chance than forming a third party. There are still some states that are run in a conservative, small government way…form them into a union and split off. There are some huge logistical problems with that, but it can be done.

    I agree, the “third party” effort can only insure Obama like Democrats in charge forever.

    I wish states would seriously consider
    seceding. I can’t afford to move to Australia.

  2. #102
    On October 11th, 2009 at 3:21 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “I would love to see the Republicans step up…”

    Wouldn’t that be nice on a whole range of issues.

  3. #103
    On October 11th, 2009 at 3:22 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Another good thing about seceding is that we can control our borders!! We could allow only card-carrying conservatives into the new union. Also, no muslum cult members, no loony libs, and, although immigrants would be welcome, they would be LEGAL, would take an oath to learn English, and would assimilate into the Conservative culture. I am liking this idea more and more all the time. Our new Constitution would look a lot like the current one, with a few conservative modifications…like making sure we understand what “separation of church and state” REALLY means!

  4. #104
    On October 11th, 2009 at 3:24 pm, jjmurphy said:

    I am liking this idea more and more all the time.

    happyscrapper – ditto

  5. #105
    On October 11th, 2009 at 3:28 pm, thebronze said:

    When are we going to get fed-up and toss these RINO bastards out of office?

  6. #106
    On October 11th, 2009 at 4:57 pm, old trooper said:

    BOB, Australia has no Second Amendment Rights.

  7. #107
    On October 11th, 2009 at 5:06 pm, old trooper said:

    thebronze, When Americans are fed up with the Kenyan Edition National Lampoon President, the Most Corrupt Congress Evah some gallows are built on the Capitol Mall and the Public hangings commence.

    Til then, just bend over and smile Pardner. This is only the beginning.

    *Sent from a cattle camp in Montana by wireless*

  8. #108
    On October 11th, 2009 at 5:39 pm, WaterBoyz said:

    On October 11th, 2009 at 9:28 am, Savage24 said:

    …I have told them that I will not donate any money to them until they clean up their own party…

    Betcha they have a spam filter for that message.

    If there is no $$$ in the return envelope I betcha it is simply tossed out.

  9. #109
    On October 11th, 2009 at 5:47 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On October 11th, 2009 at 5:39 pm, WaterBoyz said:

    I still stuff those RNC envelopes with McCain pesos. I keep a stack of them in my desk drawer.

  10. #110
    On October 11th, 2009 at 5:53 pm, BOB said:

    On October 11th, 2009 at 4:57 pm, old trooper said:
    BOB, Australia has no Second Amendment Rights.

    I didn’t think about that….but if I could afford to move I’d take my chances there.

  11. #111
    On October 11th, 2009 at 5:54 pm, FireBlogger said:

    We are being led by a bunch of dopes.

    What sense does it make to add another $1,000 per year to the average energy bills of the middle class?

    The same nonsense that will see the IRS deduct $750 from your taxes if you fail to sign up for health insurance.

    Lunacy, madness, pick your term.

    In a perfect world the air would be clear, everyday. Everyone had a job, owned a hybrid and 2.5 perfect children and an energy efficient home.

    That is a perfect world but the world is not perfect.

    Unfortunately most people are just getting by, live paycheck to paycheck, are underwater on their mortgage and the last thing they need is the government pushing costly new programs on them for the sole purpose of making the rest of the world satisfied.

    I am personally fed up with this government. The final straw is when the so called leaders in my party cave in to politically correctness, for the sole reason they don’t want to be ostracized at the Beltway parties.

  12. #112
    On October 11th, 2009 at 6:02 pm, fulldroolcup said:

    The “slack-jawed yokel” expression on
    Graham’s face is picture-perfect. Please keep using it, Michelle!

    (I bet when he first came to DC he sunburned his tonsils staring up at the Washington Monument)

  13. #113
    On October 11th, 2009 at 6:24 pm, paulsur said:

    If you vote republican, you vote for “s”tatists instead of “S”tatists, that is the only difference between the two parties.

  14. #114
    On October 11th, 2009 at 6:34 pm, TigerLady said:

    ulldroolcup said:
    The “slack-jawed yokel” expression on
    Graham’s face is picture-perfect.

    LOL–I love when Rush calls him Goober Graham. I think Goober, Gomer or any of the Pyles are collectively smarter than Grahamnesty. How did he ever get voted into office?

    And when will he be voted out of office?

  15. #115
    On October 11th, 2009 at 7:41 pm, rightisright said:

    And when will he be voted out of office?

    the pathetic answer is not until 2014, he was just re-elected. I find it hard to believe there isn’t a real conservative who could have ran against this POS…he’s for practically everything conservatives are against and that is not angry rhetoric that is the truth.

    On the subject of a 3rd party…I hate to say it but it will not work, at least not for some years given for the movement to build, we sure as hell don’t need another Ross Perot that didn’t know if he wanted run or not. We as a country don’t have time to build a 3rd party and be a viable force. We need to retake the GOP, which I do believe is taking place now.
    Once we regain control of congress we need to make sweeping changes and stick to them unlike the “contract with America” crew did. they became dem-lite, greedy bastards.
    Get rid of the EPA, or at least place controls on it where it is not a detriment to the good of the country…do away with the Dept. of Ed. along with it the NEA. Making these changes and more of course like term limits I honestly think we can retrain the entitlement grabbers, and see the best years for America in the future. The greatest country in the history of mankind is not yet done, not by a long shot, we need to keep fighting and never get fat, dumb and lazy about government and how it’s being operated again.

  16. #116
    On October 11th, 2009 at 8:22 pm, Papa Louie said:

    God save us from bipartisanship.

    Amen to that. When democrats talk of bipartisanship, they’re not talking about compromise, they’re talking about capitulation. As long as they give republicans an opportunity to agree with them, they think they’re being bipartisan. The Stimulus vote is a good example. When the bill was being considered by the Senate, Harry Reid made this telling comment:

    “I am confident that we are going to get Republicans to vote (for) our bill. If we don’t, it’s not our fault.”

    – Harry Reid; Jan 29, 2009

    And when the Stimulus bill passed the House without Republican support, Nancy Pelosi gave her view of what bipartisanship means. Her comment says everything you need to know about how democrats view bipartisanship:

    STEPHANOPOULOS: Is this the bipartisan effort President Obama has called for?

    PELOSI: Well, because the Republicans don’t vote for it doesn’t mean they didn’t have an opportunity to.

    – ‘This Week’, Jan 25, 2009

    It should be very clear to anyone with their eyes and ears open: If Sen. Graham signed on to Cap and Tax, it’s not because he got democrats to compromise, it’s because he capitulated to them. He has made it clear which master he has chosen to serve.

  17. #117
    On October 11th, 2009 at 8:28 pm, WaterBoyz said:

    On October 11th, 2009 at 5:47 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    On October 11th, 2009 at 5:39 pm, WaterBoyz said:

    I still stuff those RNC envelopes with McCain pesos. I keep a stack of them in my desk drawer.

    You know the really sad part ???
    They couldn’t give a gnatt’s @ss about us.
    Steele has no steel cajones.
    If he did he would be in the face of the msm daily.
    Maybe once a week he’ll drop a sentence or two that is as soft as a baby’s butt.

    So… where is the farm league for the next batch of Conservatives?

  18. #118
    On October 11th, 2009 at 8:57 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    Waterboyz:

    They couldn’t give a gnatt’s @ss about us.

    And they never will. It doesn’t matter anymore. Read this Politico article about the GOP’s headache for next year.

    Here’s a couple of great extracts:

    While the energy of the anti-tax and anti-Big Government tea party movement may yet haunt Democrats in 2010, the first order of business appears to be remaking the Republican Party.

    “We will be a headache for anyone who believes the Constitution of the United States … isn’t to be protected,” said Dick Armey, chairman of the anti-tax and limited government advocacy group FreedomWorks…

    “We’re not a partisan organization, and I think many Republicans are disappointed we are not,” added Armey, a former GOP congressman.

    Tell the nose-holders it’s almost too late for them to bother joining the fight. We conservatives who have been fighting the “impossible” fight are about to win and they weren’t part of it.

    Sarah Palin, Dick Armey and us. I like the sound of that.

  19. #119
    On October 11th, 2009 at 9:02 pm, Speakup said:

    But, well, I told you so.

    I started warning people a year ago that they would hear, I told you so, a lot.

    Business has been good, too good.

  20. #120
    On October 11th, 2009 at 9:25 pm, rightwingrocker said:

    YAAAYYY vote Republican!

    /sarcasm

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  21. #121
    On October 11th, 2009 at 9:27 pm, rightwingrocker said:

    Is there any reason to not start a 3rd party?

    The way things are going, the Republicans are going to wind up being the “third party”.

    Maybe you’d be interested in this

    RWR

  22. #122
    On October 11th, 2009 at 9:33 pm, rightwingrocker said:

    We would be much better off by just taking over the GOP.

    Won’t happen.

    This idea is based on the faulty assumption that the Republican Party has EVER represented conservatives. It has not. It has been a party of capitalist-funded socialism, as opposed to tax-funded socialism. In either case, you’re still voting for socialists.

    The party brass is not going to step aside just because twenty or so million conservatives make a stink. They’ve got the power, and they’re not letting it go. For all the good it would do you, you might as well take over the Democratic Party. They’re simply two wings of the same ideology.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  23. #123
    On October 11th, 2009 at 9:40 pm, rightwingrocker said:

    I have told them that I will not donate any money to them until they clean up their own party. Every Conservative Republican should do the same. We don’t need these traitors in our party.

    Conservative Republicans should simply take their ball and go home. There aren’t enough of them left in the party to sustain any conservative agenda, and those who would consider returning have to look at this kind of crap every day.

    The truth of the matter is that from the perspective of the Republicans, YOU are the traitor, not Lindsey Graham or John McCain.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  24. #124
    On October 11th, 2009 at 9:41 pm, Fineous Reese said:

    Why is it the only time the leftist/Statists want the USA to “lead the world” is down the path of economic destruction by way of “climate change”?

  25. #125
    On October 11th, 2009 at 9:47 pm, rightwingrocker said:

    what stops america from having a second constitutional congress?

    There isn’t one needed.

    When followed, the current law of the land is just fine. What makes you think a new Constitution would be obeyed by these clowns any more than the one they are required to obey now and don’t?

    What needs to happen is Amendments to that Constitution with enforceable provisions for its implementation.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  26. #126
    On October 11th, 2009 at 9:55 pm, rightwingrocker said:

    You Assistant Democrats are losing.

    Assistant Democrats, indeed!

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  27. #127
    On October 11th, 2009 at 10:11 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    These traitorous scum wads like Grahm should be thrown in prison for life.

    There is no global warming…. there is no climate change.

    What there is is a thirst for power by the liberal elites. Not of this crap applies to them so what the %$#@ do that care if they drive Americans into the sewer. Rotten pieces of ^%$#.

    It’s not what Jesus would want, but I hate these bastards.

  28. #128
    On October 11th, 2009 at 10:12 pm, Bruce said:

    Lindsey Graham will be in Greenville, SC conducting a town hall meeting at Furman University’s Timmons Arena. Doors open at 5:45 PM and the even is supposed to start at 6:15 PM. Graham has banned “signs and materials” from the event, but many in Greenville are planning to wear their “I AM THE MOB!” T-shirts to get their message across. Y’all come – y’hear?

    Greenville is the only county in South Carolina to vote against this corrupt piece of RINO trash, so let’s hope we can express our feelings effectively.

  29. #129
    On October 11th, 2009 at 10:35 pm, fulldroolcup said:

    Let’s not forget: there’s an enormous amount of opposition, not to mention downright hostility, to cap-and-tax in the Rust Belt and Middle America.

    Michigan’s governor, a big liberal, expressed her opposition on Fox this morning, fer instance. She’s got lots of company among Democrat Senators and Congresscritters in all those states.

    I’m convinced that Senator Byrd would have someone wheel him from his tiny cubicle in the morgue (right next to the refrigerated compartments) onto the Senate floor to vote against any such bill.

    I just hope he removes the tag from his toe, if only to maintain appearances.

  30. #130
    On October 11th, 2009 at 10:52 pm, TigerLady said:

    rightisright said:

    I think I’m going to be sick.

  31. #131
    On October 11th, 2009 at 11:17 pm, Flyoverman said:

    John and Lindsay have been in the neighborhood for so long, that they do not realize that the people next door whose country club they want to join are actually vampires.

    Watching their reaction to peolple like Kerry is like watching Plan Nine from Outer Space.

    I can only conclude they are idiots.

  32. #132
    On October 11th, 2009 at 11:53 pm, Member-VRWC said:

    We are also convinced that we have found both a framework for climate legislation to pass Congress and the blueprint for a clean-energy future that will revitalize our economy, protect current jobs and create new ones, safeguard our national security and reduce pollution.

    In 2009 and for the forseeable future, that statement is an impossibility.

  33. #133
    On October 12th, 2009 at 12:28 am, TomB said:

    Disappointing, yet predictable. Time for Sen. Graham to shoot for an ambassador’s posting somewhere.

  34. #134
    On October 12th, 2009 at 2:38 am, karenhasfreedom said:

    When is this tool up for re-election? With SC have the wisdom to defeat him in the primary?

  35. #135
    On October 12th, 2009 at 3:11 am, karenhasfreedom said:

    I, too, keep sending back fund raising letters from the RNC, the GOP House election committee and the GOP senatorial election committee with ZERO dollars. I also write in bold, black, medium point sharpie pen across their bogus surveys that as long as they keep funding RINOs who support cap and tax, amnesty for illegals, and more bailouts, I won’t support their fund raising efforts. I also tell them that I am targeting the RINO primary opponents and donating to the real conservatives running against the RINOs in the primaries.

    Maybe they are reading them, I am getting fewer letters now. HAHA

  36. #136
    On October 12th, 2009 at 5:58 am, vsatt said:

    Failure to act comes with another cost. If Congress does not pass legislation dealing with climate change, the administration will use the Environmental Protection Agency to impose new regulations. Imposed regulations are likely to be tougher and they certainly will not include the job protections and investment incentives we are proposing.

    What he’s describing is terrorism — threatening harm to a group of people if demands are not met. Has the administration openly made these threats against the American people? Is Graham accusing the president of terrorism?

    Either way, in this country, we don’t give in to terrorists!

  37. #137
    On October 12th, 2009 at 6:34 am, Roland said:

    What he’s describing is terrorism

    Not really. It’s extortion, not terrorism. Extortion is one of the terrorist’s tools, but they aren’t the only ones who use it. Not by far. Lawyers use it all the time.

    Either way, in this country, we don’t give in to terrorists!

    Of course we do. Why do you think we elected someone so clearly unfit for the Presidency (both by his lack of qualifications and his extreme views) if it wasn’t because we were afraid of black rage and because we wanted to appease the Muslims?

  38. #138
    On October 12th, 2009 at 8:59 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    You suppose Graham wants to be czar of something?

  39. #139
    On October 12th, 2009 at 9:17 am, dan708 said:

    Talk about taking your eye off the ball! Don’t McCamnesty and Grahamnesty get that the Demoncrats are self-immolating? Why reach for the fire extinguisher?

  40. #140
    On October 12th, 2009 at 9:22 am, b-cat said:

    On October 12th, 2009 at 9:17 am, dan708 said:
    Talk about taking your eye off the ball! Don’t McCamnesty and Grahamnesty get that the Demoncrats are self-immolating? Why reach for the fire extinguisher?

    They are politically tone deaf. Pretty sad state for professional politicians.

  41. #141
    On October 12th, 2009 at 9:48 am, tarpon said:

    Gramnesty has the reasoning power of a post turtle.

  42. #142
    On October 12th, 2009 at 9:58 am, orlandocajun said:

    “Failure to act comes with another cost. If Congress does not pass legislation dealing with climate change, the administration will use the Environmental Protection Agency to impose new regulations.”

    Yea, that’s what you want them to do moron. Then, when Obama is voted out the new administration can undo the damage. The people of South Carolina just re-elected this guy to six more years of damage to the conservative cause. Politicians count on the sheeple not knowing what the hell they’re doing when they vote.

  43. #143
    On October 12th, 2009 at 10:12 am, sonofdy said:

    This is exactly why I have an exit plan in place.

  44. #144
    On October 12th, 2009 at 10:33 am, ErinF said:

    Graham looks and acts like a sleazy, greasy used car salesman.

  45. #145
    On October 12th, 2009 at 10:52 am, RedDog said:

    Can civil disobedience extend from individuals to state and local governments? Rebuff and ignore the feds whenever and wherever possible. They are wrecking the economy and the social fabric. Call in the state national guards, cut off power and water to federal buildings.

    Squeeze them until they pop or concede and back off these irresponsible, unconstitutional actions. There are more ways than “elections” to make them feel the concerted power of the people.

  46. #146
    On October 12th, 2009 at 12:23 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Six months ago we saw a series of articles regarding the lack of sun spot activity that was indicative of reduced solar output. Then the earth cooled.

    WOW. Sun heats up, earth warms; sun cools down, earth cools.

    I think this is a concept beyond the intellect of Al and his true believers. But then, maybe they have a hidden agenda……. YA THINK?

  47. #147
    On October 12th, 2009 at 12:24 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    How anyone could allow themselves to be associated with Traitorous Scum like John Kerry is beyond belief.

    But it tells us a lot about Lindsey Graham.

  48. #148
    On October 12th, 2009 at 5:44 pm, papertiger said:

    in the mean time root for the Colorado Rockies. Why? Because a world series played in 20 degree weather with snow drifts as the backdrop is the only way that people across the country are going to ever see or hear a negative word spoken about Al Gore and global warming.

    Mind you the fix is probably in.

    I wouldn’t be at all surprized if Gore suits up to umpire tonight’s game.

  49. #149
    On October 12th, 2009 at 8:09 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    Rush calls him Goober Graham. I think Goober, Gomer or any of the Pyles are collectively smarter

    Goober was portrayed by actor George Lindsey, IIRC, so that is where the name connection comes in probably.

    You’re right that Gomer or Goober would be smarter and better representatives, but that would be irrelevant – they were from North Carolina : )

    But it tells us a lot about Lindsey Graham.

    What would tell you more is where Grahamnesty gets the bulk of his financial backing, and where he sees his bread buttered after he leaves office. Stricktly looking out for his own financial future – not ours nor his constituants.

  50. #150
    On October 12th, 2009 at 11:09 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    As long as Conservatives vote for RINOs, who are in reality only slightly less socialist than the Dems, our “choice” remains socialists or the other socialists!

    America needs to wake up and support CONSERVATIVES! Do you think that the GOP EVER intends to nominate another true conservative candidate? Come on! Look at the field last time around!

    Both parties are corrupt and morally bankrupt! Neither party will move the nation back towards our founding principles! If you vote for the “lesser of two evils” you still end up with EVIL!

    I am done with that game! I refused to believe any of their lies any longer. I am voting for conservatives from now on. It took me 30 years to reach this point but the GOP convinced me after Bush, Dole, Bush and McCain. The GOP is run by elite, left-wing Republicans that are in if for themselves!

  51. #151
    On October 13th, 2009 at 3:17 am, xblade said:

    This idea is based on the faulty assumption that the Republican Party has EVER represented conservatives.

    And you’re under the faulty presumption that a third party has a chance in hell of winning anything. And you really need to stop listening to Beck. You really sound dumb when you argue that Republicans are just like Democrats. There is no Republican Barack Obama; there is no Republican Nancy Pelosi; there is no Republican Harry Reid. And so on, and so on.

    Yes, we have our share of tools, and Lindsey Graham is one of them. If you want to beat him, run a Conservative Republican in the primary. If we can’t beat him in a primary by running a Conservative Republican, we won’t even get in the ballpark by running a third party candidate. Heck, you might not even get on the ballot.

    No doubt the Republican party has its problems, but this third party nonsense is a non-starter. Much easier to fix a few broken parts than to rebuild completely from scratch.

  52. #152
    On October 13th, 2009 at 11:10 am, rightwingrocker said:

    There is no Republican Barack Obama; there is no Republican Nancy Pelosi; there is no Republican Harry Reid. And so on, and so on.

    You sound dumb when you say stuff like this.

    Republican Barack Obama – Bob Dole, George W. Bush. Pick one.

    Republican Nancy Pelosi – Newt Gingrich.

    Republican Harry Reid – John McCain.

    I also wish to remind you that people are leaving those parties in droves. Why not give them someplace to go? As I said before, the Republican Party will only stop itself from being relegated to third-party status if its survival instincts kick in before the same event occurs in the Democratic Party, and don’t forget what the Donks are willing to do for survival even now.

    My money is on the Donks to survive that. Bottom line is that conservatives will have a party of their own when all the dust clears, and it’s not very likely that party’s name will start with an R.

    The Republicans could easily fix this, but the chances that they will are slim to none – and slim just left town.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  53. #153
    On October 13th, 2009 at 12:27 pm, Thomas said:

    A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

    Thomas
    http://www.onyyoucanstopblogspam.org

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