What did I tell ya? Lindsey Graham signs on to cap-and-tax
I hate to say “I told you so.”
But, well, I told you so.
GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham has signed on to the Democrats’ massive green redistribution scheme masquerading as a planet-saving, national security-enhancing “energy independence” scheme.
Can John McCain and the rest of the Climate Change Republicans be far behind?
First, a quick trip down GOP eco-sellout memory lane:
Ugh: McCain & Company melting on cap-and-tax By Michelle Malkin • October 8, 2009 10:41 AM
Beware the Climate Change Republicans By Michelle Malkin • September 21, 2009 12:14 PM
McCain’s “climate change” tour bypasses cooler heads By Michelle Malkin • May 12, 2008 10:43 AM
Digging deeper: The enviro-nitwit-ization of the GOP By Michelle Malkin • December 13, 2007 02:08 AM
Now, the announcement of Graham’s alliance with Big Government Democrats. In the NYTimes, natch:
…we refuse to accept the argument that the United States cannot lead the world in addressing global climate change. We are also convinced that we have found both a framework for climate legislation to pass Congress and the blueprint for a clean-energy future that will revitalize our economy, protect current jobs and create new ones, safeguard our national security and reduce pollution.
Our partnership represents a fresh attempt to find consensus that adheres to our core principles and leads to both a climate change solution and energy independence. It begins now, not months from now — with a road to 60 votes in the Senate.
It’s true that we come from different parts of the country and represent different constituencies and that we supported different presidential candidates in 2008. We even have different accents. But we speak with one voice in saying that the best way to make America stronger is to work together to address an urgent crisis facing the world.
This process requires honest give-and-take and genuine bipartisanship. In that spirit, we have come together to put forward proposals that address legitimate concerns among Democrats and Republicans and the other constituencies with stakes in this legislation. We’re looking for a new beginning, informed by the work of our colleagues and legislation that is already before Congress.
Kerry and Graham go on to argue that we must buy into their plan because the EPA regulatory power grab will be worse. It’s greenmail: Sign on or else the out-of-control bureaucrats (and the unaccountable energy czar Carol Browner, they fail to mention) will make life even more hellish for businesses and taxpayers:
Failure to act comes with another cost. If Congress does not pass legislation dealing with climate change, the administration will use the Environmental Protection Agency to impose new regulations. Imposed regulations are likely to be tougher and they certainly will not include the job protections and investment incentives we are proposing.
The message to those who have stalled for years is clear: killing a Senate bill is not success; indeed, given the threat of agency regulation, those who have been content to make the legislative process grind to a halt would later come running to Congress in a panic to secure the kinds of incentives and investments we can pass today. Industry needs the certainty that comes with Congressional action.
But who’s to say the EPA and Browner wouldn’t go further anyway even if the Senate bill passes?! Evidence and dissent haven’t stopped their job-destroying eco-crusade before.
Speaking of which, the Competitive Enterprise Institute continues to blow the whistle on EPA’s shoddy data:
A free-market advocacy group has launched another attack on the science behind U.S. EPA’s proposed finding that greenhouse gases endanger human health and welfare.
The Competitive Enterprise Institute — a vocal foe of EPA’s efforts to finalize its “endangerment finding” — petitioned the agency this week to reopen the public comment period on the proposal, arguing that critical data used to formulate the plan have been destroyed and that the available data are therefore unreliable.
At issue is a set of raw data from the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia in Norwich, England, that includes surface temperature averages from weather stations around the world. According to CEI, the data provided a foundation for the 1996 second assessment report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which EPA used when drafting its endangerment proposal.
According to the Web site for East Anglia’s research unit, “Data storage availability in the 1980s meant that we were not able to keep the multiple sources for some sites, only the station series after adjustment for homogeneity issues. We, therefore, do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (i.e. quality controlled and homogenized) data.”
CEI general counsel Sam Kazman said this lack of raw data calls the endangerment finding into question. “EPA is resting its case on international studies that in turn relied on CRU data. But CRU’s suspicious destruction of its original data, disclosed at this late date, makes that information totally unreliable,” he said. “If EPA doesn’t re-examine the implications of this, it’s stumbling blindly into the most important regulatory issue we face.”
In a statement filed with CEI’s petition, Cato Institute senior fellow Patrick Michaels called the development a “totally new element” in the endangerment debate. “It violates basic scientific principles and throws even more doubt onto the contention that anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions endanger human welfare,” he wrote.
And more from Christine Hall:
Govt-Funded Research Unit Destroyed Original Climate Data
CEI Petitions EPA to Reopen Global Warming Rulemaking
Washington, D.C., October 6, 2009―In the wake of a revelation by a key research institution that it destroyed its original climate data, the Competitive Enterprise Institute petitioned EPA to reopen a major global warming proceeding.
In mid-August the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (CRU) disclosed that it had destroyed the raw data for its global surface temperature data set because of an alleged lack of storage space. The CRU data have been the basis for several of the major international studies that claim we face a global warming crisis. CRU’s destruction of data, however, severely undercuts the credibility of those studies.
In a declaration filed with CEI’s petition, Cato Institute scholar and climate scientist Patrick Michaels calls CRU’s revelation “a totally new element” that “violates basic scientific principles, and “throws even more doubt” on the claims of global warming alarmists.
CEI’s petition, filed late Monday with EPA, argues that CRU’s disclosure casts a new cloud of doubt on the science behind EPA’s proposal to regulate carbon dioxide. EPA stopped accepting public comments in late June but has not yet issued its final decision. As CEI’s petition argues, court rulings make it clear that agencies must consider new facts when those facts change the underlying issues.
CEI general counsel Sam Kazman stated, “EPA is resting its case on international studies that in turn relied on CRU data. But CRU’s suspicious destruction of its original data, disclosed at this late date, makes that information totally unreliable. If EPA doesn’t reexamine the implications of this, it’s stumbling blindly into the most important regulatory issue we face.”
Among CRU’s funders are the EPA and the U.S. Department of Energy – U.S. taxpayers.
Sen. Graham was too busy basking in the glow of bipartisanship to comment.
God save us from bipartisanship.
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What does Graham get for this sellout?
98% reelection rate. We re-elect these thugs 98% of the time.
Graham’s Democratic opponent in 2008 actually ran on a platform of being farther right than Graham.
No money to the GOP, the Senate PAcs….none of them until this crap stops.
And by the way, Graham is stumping for Crist and Grayson. If you’re in Florida or Kentucky, you have better choices.
Is there any reason to not start a 3rd party?
Just another in a long list of unwarranted RINO in high seats in various Senate committees that shouldn’t be deserved according to grass roots wisdom.
In a more perfect world, where GOP seats would be determined according to adherence to the grass roots (conservative) majority in the GOP, Gramesty would join SnowJob and Collins on the Dog Catcher committee.
It’s up to you in Florida to get rid of this Democrat in Republican clothing. I can only continue my boycott of the RSCC and other generic Republican fund-raising organizations, reminding them as I send back their mailers, that I ONLY GIVE TO INDIVIDUAL CONSERVATIVES
And by the way, for all of you LOTE voters, this is not a lesser evil – it’s the same evil in a different suit.
“We’re going to tell the
bigotsidiots to shut up”.Grahamnesty is a palmetto bug from SC. Florida has to keep one of his best friends out.
Exactly what I am wondering. We will probably never know
Hey Kerry! Why the long face?
Is this the party in McCain’s image? /s
Oh yeah, that’s a different RINO. Sorry..
Didn’t Gingrich pass a law back in 97 requiring both cost/benefit analysis and the underlying data and equations presuming to mandate new regulations by Federal agencies (after an obscenely fraudulent bi-annual report by – you guessed it – the EPA)
basically requiring justification in peer-reviewable form.
without the data, HOW CAN THIS COMPLY?
This bill has everything we need for a srong economy: Tax increases, skyrocketed energy costs, subsidies, and tariffs. Never mind temperatures have been flat for 11 years, ice caps are expanding, and I freezing my but off on October 11!
We’re really screwed.
There is no such THING as global warming OR climate change!! It’s all B.S.!!
What kind of insane, upside down, backwards country is this??
I’d like to confront Graham over this one. I’d like to stand right in front of him and ask him what the hell is he thinking. And then I can’t write on this blog what I’d like to do then!
This whole thing isn’t about global warming or climate change. It’s all about “how much more can we tax the American people and still get away with it?”
It’s not even about that … It’s about how can we help the enemies of the United States destroy her from within! It’s an intentional attack on our economy and the middle class!
Thank you Michelle. No surprise he is a total Rino. But I still hoped he would do something against his stupid nature. grrrr
I suppose the other two parts of the Siamese Triplets were asleep when Lindsey Graham gave his endorsement or else all three would have sung in harmony with our RINO from South Carolina. Who snuck the kool aid into their diet?
Outside of the fact that people who support this global warming (I refuse to call it global climate change to pacify their mistake) are akin to the flat-earthers of the Middle Ages, I’d like for them to show me one tree or one forest that died out because of taking in too much carbon dioxide. Has anyone seen vegetation become extinct due to carbon dioxide poisoning?
That would just be handing the GOP over to Graham and the RINOs. We would be much better off by just taking over the GOP. Most of people we’d want to recruit in a third party are already active Republicans: Palin, Bachmann, Jindal, Pawlently, DeMint, Inhofe, etc. We’d be spending most of our time trying to appeal to and recruit people who we already have as Republicans. We need to show our strength in the GOP primaries and create a SECOND party that will actually stand up to the Democrats. A third party would just ensure the Democrats could win forever.
Graham is a disgusting, pandering fool. He reminds me of a weak, whiny little child that is starved for attention and will get it any way he can.
How many times, in our history, has the Taxpayer revolted? … and laws/policies were changed back?
Right. Almost zero.
Politicians will tax the Taxpayer and we will pay no matter the screaming.
Businesses will get taxed and pass that onto the Taxpayer and we will pay no matter the screaming.
It is a cycle that has been going on for generations.
As long as the msm is in the pockets of the politicians … nothing will change.
So, what has changed since the 9/12 event?
Nothing.
Like Beck says, both sides of the aisle are populated with progressive clowns.
So what is the basis for Cap and tax, since it has been now proved that man caused global warming was nothing more than hide the data and push the hoax?
Even ORielly is now laughing at it.
Here is a short video that takes it apart … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6Y2iF99kOY
When is Graham going to join the party he really supports? It’s a**holes like him that are the reason I refuse to contribute money to the GOP.
Remember We’reScrewed08? Just change the last digit for the appropriate year. With John McCain (still) on the loose, and Lindsey Grahamnesty still serving in the sidekick role, is it any wonder we’re in the mess we’re in? There just isn’t any hope for our country’s future with jackasses like these two (and other RINOs) still roaming the halls of Congress. My biggest fear is that the majority of Americans still don’t see that their country is being killed right in front of their eyes. We’re so close to making any kind of abortion legal and paid for by taxpayer dollars, shooting electricity prices through the roof under the mistaken belief that CO2 is the enemy, and letting the radical communists from the president’s past and present run roughshod over the ever-growing federal bureaucracy.
He gets the adoration of the Dems and MSM for being the new “maverick,” who is “bold” and “daring” enough to have the “vision” to “buck” the GOP.
McCain has worn out the maverick shtick, so his poodle Lindsay will step in. And Miss Lindsay doesn’t come from a state with a lot of heavy industry or coal interests, so he’s safe with his voters on this.
There’s more than one reason he is called Lindsay Gramnesty.
Like Snowe & Collins, he probably thinks that bringing money to his state from the federal tax coffers is being a big success. I say that because he was probably promised something in exchange for his support.
Somebody tell me something…
What will the government do when the taxpayer, both private and corporate, can no longer support the crap and debt they cook up?
At some point the majority of everyone’s earnings will end up going to the state to fund the mountainous pile of endless debt – that monument and tribute to those benevlent politicians of D.C. – so I ask again…
What then?
He means to say we can lead the world in committing national suicide.
If I were convinced I come from the planet Krypton, it wouldn’t make it so. Everyone knows Krypton is a fantasy. Same here.
However, Bizarro World does seem to exist.
That makes as much sense as the founding fathers all hanging themselves to keep King George from having them hanged.
As far as why Graham does what he does, I think the answer is in the fact that McCain, the great maverick and moderate of the donkey/elephant half-breed, will not get re-elected. So there you go.
“Cap” American progress and “Trade” our way of life for that of the Third World.
Soon, we will all be living like Obama’s brother…
Uh…I think that’s the plan, Dimsdale.
The ultimate nightmare to any controlling government is to lose that control to outside interference. I assume you mean the present federal government is an enemy of the U.S.. I doubt that. They just want to mold it to the way they think the U.S. should be run, knowing, full well, that they can unsurp the Constitution without retaliation from the SCOTUS, or a lot of American people. To submit to any outside organization or country, would be anathema to them.
I was working with computers starting in the mid 70′s and the CRU claim that there wasn’t enough storage space for the raw data is simply the most contentious lie I have ever heard. “My dog ate the data.” would have been a much more plausible excuse in comparison.
IBM Sytem 370 was introduced in 1970. The earliest 10.5″ reel 9 track tapes held 20 megabytes. You might scoff at 20 megs compared to terra byte hard drives today but consider that ONE 20 meg tape could hold roughly the equivalent text of a 500 page book, (Dune was only ~400 pages).
And that was the early SEVENTIES! By 1980 there were tapes that held 140 megs and the densities went up from there.
Now that these eco-nazis find themsleves with their backs up against the wall it’s become one desperate LIE after another.
I keep hearing from the National Republican Congressional Committee, that we have to get rid of Pelosi. I really think they should be looking into their own ranks and get rid of the RINO’s. I have told them that I will not donate any money to them until they clean up their own party. Every Conservative Republican should do the same. We don’t need these traitors in our party.
I think this “Climate Bill” is TO IMPORTAND for a bunch of suits to decide on. I suggest putting it on the next National Ballot, and LET THE PEOPLE decide THIER FATE!!!!
ALL Bills that have a tendancy of making Politicians VERY wealthy should be voted on by the PEOPLE!
Thats just my view of it.
Any way of getting that done?
Crap & Dept is nothing more than a giant taxing scheme, with government being the benificiary, and the UN being the agency to control the purse. Eco-Nazis and uneducated masses are the tools they use to get the results they need to control the world economy (what’s left of it).
We better start melting those phone lines at the Capital building. The folks in SC better send Lindsey a message quick…get with the program or you are out of there!
I don’t think Lurch can help that.
http://staffannouncer.com/blog/images/cassidykerry.jpg
“EPA regulatory power grab will be worse”
They will screw you worse than we will,sale.The mafia is alive and well!!
It is time to stand up to these idiots we have in Congress. We need to send them home. Is it time to consider term limits?
I don’t think money from taxpayers matters anymore except as a means of control.
The new reality is:
Want money?…Then just print more money…..
Way past time, but it will never happen. How do you get the politicians to give up their power and money and term limit themselves?….answer, you don’t.
As if the executive branch had the constitutional authority to legislate… oh, wait… when has that stopped them before?
To quote Osama Bin Laden – “when people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature, they will like the strong horse”
Politicians, like Graham, see “climate change”, and those that back it, as the current “strong horse”. They want to be on the perceived winning side and, therefore, maintain their status within the system. They are pathetic, insecure creatures that long ago had their spines removed.
It sure is starting to look like global warming is a fact!!! Yessiree!! Yesterday morning, I opened my curtains and there, on October 10th, was a blanket of white covering my geraniums and tomato plants. One of the earliest snows on record here in Minnesota. And tomorrow, we are forcast to get more. One person has already died on the roads because of ice.
Now, about crap and tax. Why can’t we all just refuse to pay taxes? Yes, they could arrest us. But they can’t arrest ONE MILLION 9/12ers!! Everyone who participated in 9/12 should revolt in a more tangible way than just marching with signs and having the media totally ignoring them!! It was a wonderful, massive effort. And no one paid any attention. We have to get drastic or we are done.
One thing we can do is use Ragspierre’s idea. Increase your deductions drastically so that they take out less from your paycheck and you will owe the government taxes (be sure to put that money away and not spend it!!). Then, when April 15th rolls around, file for an extension. If hundreds of thousands of people who owe taxes file for an extension, the government will have just that much longer to wait for their money. It could have an impact, and it would be done legally. There are other things we can do, but at least filing for an extention is legal. Would it make enough impact so that the fringe media will cover it? Who knows? They didn’t cover the muti-million person march on DC, so I guess we shouldn’t hold our breath.
My point is, we need to do more than just march. They still aren’t listening. We have to MAKE.THEM.LISTEN.
1st reaction, why is bipartisanship defined by getting one or two feckless morons from the other party to sign on to your crappy bill? we used to call that bribery. 2nd reaction, what stops america from having a second constitutional congress? 3rd reaction, do the dumb ass sheeple in america not see by this point that if you PUNISH the rich, they will take their dollars and go to another playground. this leaves the morons without the money without the jobs and saying “BOY, I GUESS WE SHOWED HIM”
Even the BBC has figured out that global warming is a hoax. Why hasn’t Lindsey Graham?
My feelings exactly.
Hey Lindsey, do the right thing, gather up the courage that Arlen the Specter exhibited, switch parties now.
Oh, GOP fund raisers, please do not call me asking for my support of your RINOs. I only support individual conservatives. Thanks in advance (morons).
The only thing worse than what Obambi and the liberals in congress are doing is what Grahamnesty and his cohorts are doing to help them.
Our country will never survive over the long haul unless we can tap into our own natural resources. We MUST STOP the environmentalist wackos from continuing to hold us hostage. They seem to have so much power…how did we allow that to happen? They are getting away with literal murder, yet it seem so to be O.K. to let other countries supply our energy, even though they pollute so much more that the U.S. does. Apparently they don’t realize we are all connected globally…China’s pollution is eventually OUR pollution. Saudi Arabia’s pollution eventually gets to our shores. Why not drill here where we use good stewardship of the land? And nucear…it is clean, safe, and powerful. How do the people with common sense, moral values and pioneer spirit take back our country? Will it require an actual war? I’m starting to think so.
Why doesn’t he just go ahead and join Specter and actually join the Democratic Party?
Being “Green” Doesn’t Make You A “Gooder” Person.
Yet that’s the message kids are coming home from school with. If you’re not “green” you’re ignorant and dirty and selfish and hurting people and “the planet”. Nuclear energy is Darth Vader and Windmills (the whales of the energy set) are white hat Obi Wans. Not my words; those of my niece’s teacher. Maybe we deserve Grahams’s switch because it seems most Americans don’t care all that deep about what “greening” will do to this country. My question is where in hell are all the factual rebuttals to all this crap??
James Greenidge
Queens NY
Graham is such a #censored# #censored# (supply your own invective).
I hope it’s not true that we have so many morons in the electorate now, that damn near any idiot who looks good and talks good can get elected and stay in office for life.
If the majority of the American people don’t rise up and throw all these jerks in the Congress and the White House out in 2010, 2012 and beyond, we’ll all be screwed. Even more than we are now.
I can count on one hand conservatives that I would vote back in and Graham is sure as hell not one of them.
My question exactly! There is so much evidence against these idiots…why aren’t more people speaking out?? We need a huge revolt against the “greeners”. My husband and I were in an antique shop this weekend and the owner started talking about Obama’s big prize and she sounded like a conservative. So we thought she was somewhat intelligent. My husband mentioned the hoax of global warming and she looked at us like we were from Mars, then walked away without another word. My husband and I just looked at each other, put our puchases down on the counter and left the building. It was surreal!!
*Man-made global warming, the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind, yet we continue to send clowns like Grahamnesty to D.C. to lap this bovine scatology up.
*Next, expect Grahamnesty to get behind P-BO(figuratively?)on his quest to end “don’t ask, don’t tell”; After all, he has to come out of the closet eventually, like he has already about being anything but a conservative.
*Like the others, I support individual conservative candidates; As long as McCain, Grahamnesty, Snowe, and their ilk remain the face of the GOP, that party is doomed; Got that, Michael Steele Wool?
*As an example, I am helping fund Chris Simcox in his bid to primary out illegal alien amnesty advocacy pimp McCain in Arizona; More McCain= Death to America!
Graham is
susceptibleaddicted to praise from the Left Wing Media & Cocktail Circuit of the Elitists on each coast.I see on FNC that Frist & Dole are featured in a DNC ad saying they endorse Obamacare. We gotta get rid of these people. They are living in La-La Land. Are we in Kansas yet Dorothy?
Exactly. He’s hopeless. If he doesn’t have his nose up some high-profile liberal’s butt, he can’t breathe.
There is of course recourse against RINO sellouts like Graham. It’s called the ballot box. Thirteen more months and he’ll be un-Senatored.
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DANCESWITHDASCHUNDS got it right. I maintained and operated a late 1970′s computer and microwave test system until I took it out of service in 2006. It went through many upgrades–but I still kept and used a thousand 9 track GCR and PE tapes–and the giant tape deck–for testing. The system was replaced with a much newer one for 13 million dollars when I retired–because there wasn’t anyone left who could keep the system up.
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The “lost data” was probably thrown out when newer equipment was put on line. Or when a newer storage system was unable to use it without costly data transferals and software fix writing. There was lots of storage capacity available if someone cared about it.
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But data and science don’t matter here. The “democRAT” / liberal / socialist / statist / marxist / communist President Obama and his comrades in Congress are just looking for anything that will help them convert the U.S.A. into the new United Socialistic States of Amerikka. The “Global Warming” B.S. is just another tool they are using to reach their goal.
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You know we are in deep DOODOO when Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez approve of the Messiah’s actions.
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As far as RINO’s Shamnesty McCain, Graham, et. al.–vote them out in 2010 and 2012. SARAH PALIN for POTUS and JOHN BOLTON for VP. An AMERICA FIRST (not last!) ticket for real Hope and Change in 2012.
Fox news and shows like Laura Ingraham continue to give morons like Grahamnesty and McShame a platform to blather on about how we need to be further to the left of ObamaGod on issues like Global CoolWarming. Grahamnesty gets of on giving the lefty’s a reach around every chance he gets at the expense of our country. With Fox news and fake conservatives like single mom Laura Ingraham always give a voice to the RINO’s we don’t have a chance.
Steve Wynn just kicked butt on FNS Chris Wallace. The liberals sounded as stupid as I have heard in a long time. Well worth the watch if you can.
Just saw Juan McAmnesty on CNN talking about Obama’s Afghanistan options. He said he is afraid that Obama is going to “try to please all ends of the political spectrum.”
WHAT????? All McAmnesty and his RINO buddies try to do is reach “consensus”.
He is sooo full of it!
I would like to know…Has anyone Personally been asked by thier Represenative about “Climate Change”, Cap & Trade, thier Fuel Bill?
Calling all nose-holders! Calling all nose-holders! Send help! Bring smoke and mirrors!
Yeah, I want to hear again about how getting rid of Obama is more important than cleaning house in the GOP. There is no point doing the former without first doing the latter. There is only ONE agenda and the leadership of BOTH parties are determined to cram it down our throats even if it means they won’t get re-elected.
The key is keep the heat on the rank and file in the House. Nobody goes through the agony of running for Congress on a two-year suicide mission for the benefit of their corrupt party. Our main hope is that they are still inspired by the idealism that got them to run in the first place. Let’s help them out by torturing their leaders and supporting Sarah Palin on her rescue mission. There is a big opportunity for these Congressmen if they can vaccinate themselves from the slow corruption of delay.
Go Sarah!
What is FUNNY as Hell to me is this :
“He only has until 2010, THEN he will be voted out…”
OK, is that a PROMISE? ANY Idea HOW MUCH DAMAGE they CONTINUE to do to OUR COUNTRY? To OUR CHILDRENS FUTURE?
All I can say is if I had the backing I would BOOT EVERY ONE IN CONGRESS TOMORROW! Replace them with Joe the Plumber and the like. PEOPLE WITH G/D COMMON SENSE!
Opps, forgot my signature Grahamnesty line:
The unctuously effeminate Lindsey Graham, not to be confused with the etermally hot Lindsay Wagner.
What was I thinking!
The problem is that there are too many nose-holders whose faces go beet-red when shouting at you to vote your RINO congressman/senator out of office but will still vote for their RINO congressman/senator.
If the parties swapped their leaders, the nose-holders would still argue that it is better to vote Republican. There is only one agenda in Washington and both parties are determined to get it through before next year’s elections.
Here is something interesting. If the Dems and Rinos were truly out to save the world instead of steal more from our pocketbooks they might take this scientist more seriously:
Don’t think of people like Lindsey Graham and Olympia Snowe as Republicans in Name Only (go ahead and think of John McCain that way).
They aren’t traitors to Republican principles. They’re moles, upholding the Democrat principles they’ve always believed in. They aren’t turncoats, they’re agents of disruption and destruction. Spies. Or as Kim Philby referred to himself, “Straight up penetration agents.”
Graham is a Democrat who pretends to be a Republican in order to confuse things and demoralize the side he’s pretending to be on.
The surprising part here is that he waited so long to show his true colors.
A blatant signal to the bureaucrats.
We will pass the bill, but if it fails, you are expected to implement it and more by fiat.
Whoever lives in Grahmnesty’s state, PULEEEEEZE post the name and web site of his challenger so I can donate.
These people are desperate to pass something and in doing so, risk the wrath of the American public. None of them get this on any level. They are sticking their heads in the sand hoping that the tea party thing will just go away if they don’t accept that it exists. They need to stop spending our money and stop taxing everything in sight.
I don’t like Lindsey Graham. Republicans need to hijack the enviromental movement from the liberals. “Conservatives” should be in favor of conserving our resources and developing a sustainable economy, but cap and trade and global warming are nonsense. Playing nice on cap-and-trade strenghtens the Democratic control over government and our lives. When will a bold leader step up and say that man made global warming is an unproven theory that doesn’t justify the extreme contraints that will be put on our economy? When will a leader show us that it is wise and good to protect our enviroment but stupid to tax the air we exhale?
Yes they do get it. It’s just that they are bought and paid for and so is just about everyone else. They are brazen with their corruption just like Rangel and the rest because as Maxine Waters pointed out, everyone is corrupt.
You can shame the corrupt in a society where the virtuous rule. You can’t when the corrupt rule. Death row is crammed full of “innocent” people. It’s the same mentality.
That is why we have to rid ourselves of all of the nose-holding excuses for not doing the right thing. Unless you are lucky enough to have a proven conservative of either party to vote for, vote 3rd party. Donate only to candidates directly. Show up at Tea Parties. Hammer the corruptocrats with e-mails, faxes, phone calls and letter.
Let’s hope Sarah can do the rest and come into Washington like a tidal wave.
Pasadena…with all due respect, you need to get off the 3rd party bandwagon before it destroys any chance of getting rid of the liberals!! There are already other parties. So it wouldn’t be a third party…more like a 6th of 7th party. We need to get the best republicans we can find elected, then work on them. We are in the middle of trying to stop a speeding train!! You can’t do that by trashing the GOP and starting over. The speeding train will run right over any third, fourth or fifth party. It won’t work!! I don’t understand your logic at all.
Actually most all of it can be found from right here.
You want more links? Joe D’Aleo has a great list here.
Speaking of Sarah Palin… In her interview with Gibson last year, she gave what I consider to be the most well reasoned answer that you could expect from a non-scientific person. Basically that, yes scientists say that human GHG affect the climate but, no it is not clear whether those are 99% responsible or 1% responsible.
In a nut shell she hit the nail right on the head with that answer because in fact there STILL is no direct empirical data that anyone can claim to have found that suggests human GHG affect the climate in any measurable way. It’s simply the truth!
That’s exactly it. Alinsky identified the middle class as the target. They, and the small businesses that brought about the middle class, are to be regulated and taxed out of existence.
Graham is worse than a liberal Dem, at least they don’t hide behind a phony “R” — Florida voters need to wake up and kick this shmuck to the curb.
Happyscrapper, with all due respects, you have to abandon all hope that the GOP is better than the Democratic Party. We have never had a period in our history where we a corrupt one-party system took over so arguing that something has never worked is pointless. Your fear of Obama will only be replaced by the a GOP victory where they take over the reins that Obama seized from them but the very same agenda that blossomed under Bush remains.
Please come up with valid arguments. I can be persuaded but not by defeatism. Either point out exactly why the strategy that has been working for conservatives in frustrating BOTH corrupt socialist parties when they are in charge, the very strategy I keep advocating, will ultimately fail or else leave me alone.
If you want to understand my logic, abandon your habit of arguing in terms of liberal/conservative where you use conservative and Republican interchangeably. You might start by re-reading this post by Michelle. It screams loudly abut what is wrong with voting for THIS Republican Party. Don’t you see that? Why are you even posting here if you don’t? What is wrong with you?
The corruption of BOTH parties is one of Michelle’s recurring themes! Holding your nose to abandon your principles out of some dopey belief that there is a difference between these parties is one of the last brick walls we need to knock down if we are going to regain democratic control of this country.
Lack of imagination is what made it possible for 9/11 to occur. That same lack of imagination is why we now find our corrupt post-partisan government at constant war with us citizens.
These guys know how to prevail over your non-solution of party loyalty. They have proven incompetent at fighting off conservatives like me. You would feel better if you accepted that. Winning would make you feel better. We conservatives are winning. You Assistant Democrats are losing.
In the picture above, which one is Kerry and which one is Graham? I can’t tell them apart.
A one stop shop for all the Climate B.S. is here.
Climate Depot
What a JOKE! Graham and McCain and Tom Davis represent all that is wrong with the GOP. And they represent the many, many reasons I have left the GOP.
The GOP has no core principles. Graham is an idiot. We need to vote them all out of office. All of them need to go!
Ditto.
Um…Pasadena, that kind of rhetoric isn’t necessary. I disagree with you. So do MANY others on these threads. So to suggest that I shouldn’t be posting on here because I disagree with YOU is very strange logic.
This country is irrevocably split between those that want a more government and those that want less government. Party affiliation is not longer a correct test. Those that want more government, like it or not, are winning. Think back over your life. Has the government EVER shrunk? Ever? No.
I think the only solution for those of us that want less government is to split off a part of the country and secede. Sounds ridiculous, but do you see the growth of this government ever reversing. Put away you rose-colored glasses and look at history for your guide. Graham is just another indication that “more government” is in charge.
Where am I wrong on this? And don’t just say “don’t give up”. I’m not. But I am looking for, and open to, a real solution.
Well, it is time to MOBILIZE the troops… We need to get the word to these turncoats, and remind them what REAGAN said was a REPUBLICAN… Here in AZ we need to find the right candidate to run against OL’ JUAN… It is imperative this man be sent home to RETIRE… His usefulness is LONG OVER…
I think that seceding from the union has a better chance than forming a third party. There are still some states that are run in a conservative, small government way…form them into a union and split off. There are some huge logistical problems with that, but it can be done.
*Hey Phil; I agree with you on many points, but as they say, wish for third party success in one hand, and pinch your daily loaf off in the other, and you know which one fills up first; That is the reality we are faced with.
*The best analogy I can give is this: The GOP is an old, somewhat healthy Oak Tree, suffering from bug investation(RINO’s and their ilk) and depleted nutrients in the soil(grass roots!); Sarah Palin could be(big if) the gardener to come along and to bring it back to its’ old glory; It needs a lot of TLC in the form of pruning away of the deadwood and disease(McCain et al)and a groundswell of nutrients(The Tea Party Movement); It can happen only if someone steps forward as the gardener(I hope it is Sarah Palin) willing to bring it back into dominance on the horizon, and not just another Johnny Appleseed(Ross Perot)with a bag of seeds(empty promises) slung over his shoulder.
Good analogy!
I’ve written again to the GOP and RNC leadership that I will not be donating time/money to any republican campaign until the cancer of McCain/Graham/Snowe are removed from the party.
Hadenough,
I will not give one penny to any rino running in 2010. Not one penny to the rnc either. The money will be given to people who are conservatives, not rino’s(d’s) in how they are voting to crater my Republic.
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I have received numerous “surveys” from the GOP, their latest ploy to get my money. I always send them back with a note to get the conservative values back on their platform and then get back to me. I list the platform items that they have been ignoring. I also mention that I feel like no one is listening and therefore, probably won’t even read my note!!
happyscrapper: Thanks a bunch.
*And more to the point, I do think highly of Sarah Palin and a handful of others, but always start with the premise that all politicians lie; How do you know it?; When they open their mouths; That is how far the trust has been degraded with the American people thanks to the likes of the entire Democratic Party, John McCain, Grahamnesty, and many more too numerous to mention here; That’s why I have moved from the position that “government is a necessary evil” to “government is evil”; We the people are all that is left to get back to the former.
Yup – and it’s only 37F now. That’s cold even for Minn at this time of year!
He and McCain on in on the scam. That is why this did not even come up as an issue during the election.
I would love to see the Republicans step up and renounce the whole Global Warming myth as an internation con job, meant to steal YOUR freedom.
Happyscrapper & bjc;
The voter registration for Democrats and Assistant Democrats is down to 53% and sinking fast. That means 47% and growing fast reject both parties. I’ll leave it to you to figure out why holding your noses to vote for the McCain/Graham-led GOP makes no sense. Keep hugging that security blanket. There is no prize for being the last to figure it out.
Look at it from the good side. This is nothing but a tax. Any tax in the present economy is going to distroy the US. We are in a situation much worse than that in the 30′s. Once the economy is gone and the dollar disappears off the face of the earth, we might be able to take back our country. Or if you believe like me countries as I feel the South should have its freedom.
By the way, for those of you who feel sorry for us northerners who experience Winter…don’t. We have some great times in winter. Our culture up here is that, in the Fall, we do our Fall cleaning, rake up the leaves and jump in them, then pull out our soft, cozy blankets. Some of us even change the pictures on our walls from summery ones to winter scenes. We get out our crock pots and comfort food recipes. We tune up the snowblowers and snowmobiles. Skis come out and get waxed. Many put celophane over the windows to keep out the cold winds. These are rituals that help us get prepared. We love them all. We also love it when winter is over and the birds return and the young plants start shooting up out of fresh, clean soil. All of it makes the total experience and we love it! We may complain about the cold and the blizzards, but in reality, we are proud of our Minnesota toughness!! And it does keep some of the weenies out of our state. Go Vikings!