The “vapor bill” materializes, but don’t spend too much reading it
Transparency my foot.
In its typically bass-ackwards way, the Democrat majority has released the 1,500-plus Baucus health care bill…a week after passing it in committee.
Here it is in PDF form.
But don’t invest too much time reading it.
Because in the Dems’ typically non-transparent way, it’ll be melded, molded, and amended behind closed doors:
It’s important to remember that the bill won’t exist in this form for long. Senate Majority Leader Reid and Sens. Max Baucus and Chris Dodd along with senior White House aides are merging the Finance and Health Committee legislation into one bill that will be considered on the floor of the Senate. The behind-closed-doors dealings have drawn criticism from Republicans, particularly because President Obama had promised a transparent process and pledged to negotiate the health care bill on C-SPAN.
Here’s some real transparency for you. Philip Klein at the American Spectator exposes the Baucus accounting trick:
Given that the CBO only puts a price tag on the first 10 years of a piece of legislation, Democrats realized that they could simply delay the enactment of the major spending provisions of the bill by four years, thus creating the illusion of a bill that costs $829 billion over 10 years. But in actuality, the bill is projected to cost just $14 billion in the first four years, and $70 billion through its fifth year…About 98 percent of the spending comes in the last six years, and 92 percent comes in final five year period. Thus, the true 10-year cost of the Baucus bill is well above $1 trillion, and according to estimates cited by Republicans, it’s actually $1.8 trillion.
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We may not be able to see the bills before they’re passed, but we can see right through the people who are passing them.
All you need to know is the names of the corruptocrats working on this bill.
If that doesn’t scare the hell out of you, nothing will.
Yep, that is how things are done. Has been that way for over 220 years.
The bill will make it’s way to each chamber and we (and, hopefully of elected representatives) will continue to advance our interests.
Well technically speaking at least … if we are still a nation of laws, that should give constitutional grounds for the dismissal of any such bills that have “passed” in this way. If the final bill is not what was originally voted on, it has not been put to a proper and legal vote and thus, cannot be enacted into law.
Then again, what world am I living in? In my world, the Constitution is still the Supreme Law of the Land.
I know these people have been in politics for their whole lives, but they are truly acting as novices.
This bill will be like T-ball to people running against anyone voting for this bill. If they pass it, the next year will be pointing to stuff that they passed that was bad. . .
500B in Medicare cuts is enough to get any incumbent out of office (call it Medicare Advantage or whatever, you are going to make medicare recipients mad).
Here’s the bullet points of the bill they are passing:
1. 500B in Medicare cuts.
2. 400B in taxes and fees
3. which will result in higher premiums
4. doctors will have to accept less.
5. at least 20 million people still won’t have coverage.
6. extend governmental liability to future generations.
This is what they are trying to sell. It is uncanny that the D’s are using their political capital to torpedo any chance of being re-elected. None of those bullet points are political winners – but they are a part of the bill.
Its only an obama promise. Why would anyone expect him to keep it?
Actually, if you look back before the passage of the 17th Amendment the Senate was a means for the States to further restrain the powers of congress and the federal government.
While it may be the accepted way to do things now, wasn’t it you that pointed out in another thread that no matter who is doing something that is wrong, it is still wrong? Just because the Senate and Congress are blatantly going against the Constitution does not make it proper or legal.
Contesting it may be another matter but again, it has not been like that for anywhere near 220 years.
This isn’t socialised medicine.
Socialised medicine would be better than this. It seems like they took all the bad parts of every system in the world, melded them together, cut out most of the benefits and TTTAAADDDAAAA the DNC medical reform bill.
Congress and the WH have gotten so arrogant, that they are the “law”, which can change on a day to day basis, depending on what suits them. Such contempt for the Constitution and states’ rights, will be their undoing.
So here’s Obama’s sales speech:
We get ‘health care reform’. . . to most people it means nothing.
When was the last time that you sat around a bus stop or a ball game and debated the health care ‘crisis’? It doesn’t happen. You talk about Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, taxes, recession. . .
The only reason that ANYONE is talking about ‘health care reform’ is because the president wants it and people want to support the president. The only REAL problem with health care in this country is MEDICARE. . . but nothing in this legislation will fix MEDICARE.
NOTHING IN THIS LEGISLATION WILL FIX MEDICARE. They will cut payments to doctors and hospitals, but that’s not a fix.
They will have to address fixing Medicare within 10 years even after this 1500 page monstrosity gets passed. Our government is treating us like slaves.
Yes, doesn’t matter what the Dems passed. They believe in things like the “evolving Constitution – it’s a living document.” So the legislation they pass will also, no doubt, “evolve” into whatever they want it to mean. Which means we should kill it now so it won’t get a chance to “evolve.”
We are going to cut Medicare by half a trillion, raise your premiums, and fine you (throw you in jail) if you don’t comply.
That’s a political winner! I’d hate to think what they might propose if we weren’t in a ‘free country’.
That was the old America. The new America is a nation of flaws.
Someone should read it, because the Baucus bill sets the minimum baseline for Marxist takeover of health care by the government, and the final Senate bill, and the final bill merged with the House bill, will be an order of magnitude worse.
On another blog, it is noted that premiums will be based only on region, family size, age and status as a smoker.
Crack addicts, gay men who cruised one bath house or highway mens room too many and are HIV positive, will pay lower rates than healthy smokers the same age.
And everyone will subsidize unhealthy behavior.
Thinking back on my social studies classes in Jr High, we discussed the three branches and the balance of power.
Why aren’t the three branches balancing each other?
Congress makes the legislation, not the administration. The administration implements the law, not the congress, the judiciary interprets the legislation, not congress or the administration.
Now we have the administration writing the laws, congress, through targeted legislation, is enforcing laws to punish citizens or control behavior and the judiciary is sitting by issuing “no standing” orders to anyone that challenges.
Where do we go if all three branches are ignoring the constitution?
If I read section 6001 correctly, a single worker household, irregardless of the number of children, whose company insurance benefit is over $21,000 per year, will pay a 40% tax on the ‘excess benefit’.
A single employee gets the 40% screwing at $8000 per year.
And, of course, this will only get worse, The Baucus bill is the ‘moderate’ Dem bill, and the final bill signed buy Obama can only get worse.
Ya know, it isn’t the money part that bothers me the most. Look, we are so far in debt as a country and so overburdened by taxes, this is just more of the same old, same old. It will inevitably come crashing down. The part that bothers me the most is the loss of freedom and increase in government control.
Debts can be repaid, defaulted, renegotiated. Spending can be cut.
Freedom, once given up or taken away, is seldom regained. Yet this bill will cost us a massive amount of our freedom. It is the path a majority of U.S. voters seem to favor since they voted these collectivists into power.
AAAWWWW is cute how you believe that.
The spending doesn’t kick in till 2013, in other words no coverage till 2013, but the taxes and fees??? They start at the end of this year.
That is the way it is now yes but once they solidify their hold on power and control of we the people, they do not have to worry about elections or appeasing their “voter base” any longer … which is what so many people fail to see. When they have destroyed the middle class and the producers of this nation, those welfare babies and all the people newly elected to “serve the people” by being on the welfare roles will have to work for the gubmint to get that welfare check.
Don’t think it can happen? It has been that way for years in West Virginia. Granted, if we have to have welfare I think able-bodied people should be put to work for it but this goes far beyond some simple socialist redistribution of wealth.
Amerika Prevails! All heil der Vun!
You’re exactly right about that. And these share-the-wealth scams were consistently rejected by the SCOTUS until the FDR reign. It’s no coincidence that we are losing our freedoms at the same rate we’re losing our prosperity.
OT
John Kerry- for the war in Afganistan before he was against it.
WE spend way too much time over the merits and cost of the Baucus Bill and these other fascist proposals. That we are giving the Federal Government more power over every facet of our lives, shredding the Constitution and allowing more Law by Decree seems to escape all too many. With the alphabet soup of Federal agencies well stocked with Leftist we may well now say “Elections DO NOT have consequences”-a Progressives dream for more than a century.
Some commentators say Obama wants to be the new FDR; I think Stalin or Mao, perhaps Patrice Lumumba, are more his model. William Ayres is a patient man. 25 million dead is not too great a price to pay to make the world a better place is it?
O/T but speaking of vaporous…
So not only is he avoiding the tough decision, he isn’t even deciding on when he MIGHT get to making it.
WORST LEADER EVER.
Democrats: Think of it as backloading a baseball contract to work around the salary cap. Piece of apple pie. And Americans love baseball and apple pie.
The seventeenth amendment comes to mind as well as a complacent SCOTUS and a complicit cackle of congress critters.
May God forgive me but … the Declaration of Independence and the Second Amendment come to mind.
In the words of Nancy Reagan,
“JUST SAY, NO!”
And when they accuse you of being an obstructionist, just reply,
“You got that right, Sherlock.”
Pound your reps without mercy.
The AMA is just another inert “union” that represents essentially no one other than itself. This is a farce, a sham and the best of fascism. Who ever thought the “United States of America” would descend to these totalitarian depths?
United States Armed Forces.
Rather broad use of the OUR there. We have no common interests-there is no WE.
It isn’t the first time, in recent times. FDR controlled congress and the courts…a benevolent “emperor”. He started a downhill slide to socialism that has accelerated in the past few years.
If you tolerate liars, you will be lied to. This is a lie, a blatant attempt to deceive. I suggest you write a letter to the editor of your local dead fish wrap, to let your neighbors know.
This has nothing to do with the merits or weaknesses of healthcare, your public servants are lying.
Firehat: Did Obama actually win the No Balls Prize?
Firehat:Now that Obama has won the Peace Prize, has “Nobel” become the second politically incorrect “N word”?
I couldn’t help but enjoy the irony of this. An Obama speechwriter gets surprised by the high cost of government health insurance.
Also, Burris, the lame duck Senator, makes his stand on the public option. (*Yawn*)
Just remember, everything makes perfect sense if Obama is ‘The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers’, an agent of (the once and future) Soviet or Maoist communists, sent here to destroy the free markets, and our constitutional Republic.
Some, like Pelotox and Waxman and Schumer, are obvious fellow travellers, some, like Murtha and Reid, probably enjoy the corrupt perqs of power too much to object.
Corruption and Marxism in the Demonratic Party do overlap, of course. Obama seems to be both.
It would have to be the third at least. Niggardly was the second even though it is completely unrelated … it was the feeeeeling that made it baaaaaaaaaaaad.
There may be more but I know that at least this one is already verboten in der new vorld!
The Baucus bill is the ‘moderate’ bill. When it gets merged with other Senate committee bills, and then the House and Senate work out a final bill for approval, it will only get worse.
Firehat: Is there anything more grotesque than watching Obama return a salute?
Nobel idea but the only interests that will be advanced are those of this totalitarian Marxist regime and its congressional stooges.
Why should you apologize to God for exercising your God-given rights? It’s not a sin to defend human freedom from tyranny.
Which sets the stage for the Comprehensive Health Care Reform Act of 2013.
If/when this bill is passed (in this or any other form) it will be the nail in the coffin for the American prosperity. Maybe Americans will finally wake up to the disaster that has befallen them over the last 30 years. The wailing from the public will be heard all the way to China where all their former jobs are going. Too bad America was too busy obsessing over celebrities, Oprah, sports and reality shows to realize all the garbage fed to them by the liberals and the MSM about their endless rights are just hollow promises. In the long run people get what they deserve and they are about to get it, good and hard. Too bad the informed, sane people in this country that pay attention to politics and have been warning about this will be suffer with the fools that can’t figure out that healthy, adults take care of themselves and should be proud to do so.
BTW, the penalty for not having insurance is $750 per year, probably less than what insurance costs.
And, since a person can’t be turned down for a pre-existing condition, the smart thing to do is not get health insurance, pay the $750, then when one does get sick, start paying for health insurance, and let the people who were paying susbsidize those who weren’t.
(Section 1301)
A total scam. IMpeach OBAMA now!
Congressman in 2014: “It’s a darn shame that the public has to wait weeks to see a doctor, or months for a specialist, like in England and elsewhere. I will look into this as soon as I can. But, right now, I have to see my own doctor this morning; woke up with a possible cold.”
Happy B-Day, Michelle!
To honor the event, I am going to try very hard today not to think about how angry I get sometimes reading about what you uncover, and focus instead on how grateful I am that you do what you do.
Ummmm, OK. I suppose we can look back before the passage of any amendment. The Constitution has been improved by amendments.
Actually, the 17th amendment addresses the direct election of Senators, which changed how Senators previously came to that chamber. Do you like this amendment?
Yes, doing wrong is a bad thing. What is wrong in this situation?
The Constitution is being followed. How aren’t they following the Constitution? The Constitution says that each chamber can make it’s own rules.
This is how things are done. If it is wrong now it was wrong then, with every previous bill. Why all of a sudden is it wrong to combine bills this way? There will be future bills that will be combined and will there be an uproar at that time, too?
As you point out, the 17th Amendment changed how Senators reached the chamber, but it does not address how the Senate, combines two bills from two different committees. According to the Constitution the Senate is allowed to do things their way.
Wouldn’t it be great if we all got to write our own rules? Remember, it is a specific requirement, for both houses, directed by the Constitution.
Actually, not so much apologizing as asking for forgiveness for what it seems must come to pass here because in my Bible it says that the Will of God is that all men come to an understanding through an accurate knowledge of the Truth and through that (Christ’s sacrifice on our behalf) reach salvation. It does not say that the will of God is that we should have to defend ourselves … even if we must in this world. Even the disciples of the Christ carried swords though I doubt they were anxious about the prospect of having to use them.
Some people just don’t take well to larnin’ no other ways it seems and it saddens me. To see the need for this in the nation that has made more contributions to this world than any other in the history of mankind … saddens me more.
As for the name, can you convert it to Dex? Do you still have your Green Card from IBM? (IBM used to hand out little green cards with Binary to Hex, Hex to Dex converters)
OK. Re-written.
The bill will make it’s way to each chamber and we (and, hopefully of elected representatives) will continue to advance our individual interests.
Though I had always thought that the purpose of the Congress was to address the issues of the people, to do things on ‘our’ behalf. The business of the people. Granted, no good deed goes unpunished and sometimes they get it wrong, but to take issue with the word ‘our’ in this context is . . . well, reading too deeply.
Yes, the constitution has been improved by amendments. In some instances.
No, I do not like the seventeenth amendment precisely for the reason you mentioned. The Senate was not created to be representative of the people but to be representative of the states and their individual rights above and beyond that of the federal government expressly to prohibit a centralization of power in the federal body.
The AMENDED constitution is being followed but not in the manner, much less to the letter or in the spirit in which it was written as evidenced by numerous writings from our founding fathers. Again, this particular amendment has allowed the federal government to become more centralized and more controlling and to hold states hostage … and now we the people as well through the use of legislation (that is often arbitrarily enforced)
If the bills are to be combined, the resulting “conglomeration” (though that is certainly not the first term that came to mind) should be put to a vote as an entirely new and comprehensive bill in both houses. A failure to do so means that all of “our” “representatives” failed to vote on the final bill.
If you are in any “democratic” organization and something is proposed, when that is voted on, is it for that specifically or for “what your org leaders deem to be what you meant … to be decided at a later date”? The facts remain that if the bill(s) is/are changed, they are not the bills that are voted on.
Tangentially, since none of the bills are read, perhaps it makes no real difference but that still does not make it proper, correct or legal.
When the two bills are combined, they become a new and unique bill and should be voted on as such.
I appreciate the fact that you took the time to look up the seventeenth amendment but if you research the original intent of the Constitution and our (Constitutionally Guaranteed) Republican form of government (and you may notice they never once mentioned a democracy) you will also note that the reason the senators were elected in a different manner was to provide a buffer for the states and to protect we the people from an out of control congress.
Read Mark Steyn. The Dems risk losing the House over this because it forever changes the playing field.
Once this passes, private insurance is bankrupt within a couple of years, than a UK style NHS, which people will grow dependent on.
The GOP will then be reduced to arguing they can run socialized medicine more efficiently and better than the Dems.
Meanwhile, a huge chunk of the private sector is now socialist. And with private insurers bankrupted, it becomes difficult to privatize insurance, and with half the public essentially leaching off the other half, the political will won’t be there (half the people will enjoy being leaches).
Expanding government entitlements while running huge debts is also a way to guarantee no Republican president can rebuild the military, another Marxist/Democrat goal, to ensure the US is dependent on the UN for our security.
Yes there will be, whether or not it involves the federalization of a major portion of the entire national economy. (And yeah, if you look at my site, you look at my history and you look at my involvement, you will discover that I have p’d off dems and reps alike with this) It is not a partisan matter but a matter of right and wrong.
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HI WARTIP–I worked on a early 1980’s Harris Computer system that used the hated OCTAL machine language. I kept the system up and running until I retired in 2007. When something had to be changed as real time radar software changed I could write a “patch” and put it into the memory from the front panel.
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Most problems took half an hour to figure out and 5 minutes to fix. When the much newer PC based computers replaced the old systems it now took weeks for our “back East” software aces to figure out the problems and get testing under way again. The old systems were much more “user friendly” to those who knew how to use them.
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John Bibb
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Just as NY-23 represents the best opportunity for conservatives to topple the GOP leadership, this just might be the best opportunity for the Juan Williams’ of the civil rights movement to step up and topple the race-mongering industry that is reversing all of the gains since the 1960’s.
Say what you will about Williams but he DOES care and this can’t be sitting well with him. The problem is that he always compromises with the beast once pricked. He always relents to the fierce backlash from the race-mongers.
The black voters who are being disenfranchised by that monster don’t ever get to hear Thomas Sowell or Shelby Steele or other conservative black writers but they get a ton of Williams on NPR. This would be a good moment for him to finally make his mark if he is serious about making a difference with his life’s work. He’s written enough books. Now act.
I did data dumps. They would bring cases of dot matrix printer paper to my desk full of
00101101 11001011 00101001
and I would sit there with my green card and curse the day technology came out.
Granted, it is much easier to do a system restore these days than it was to do a data dump and figure out what crashed before and I do not miss having to write a couple of thousand lines of code for every bar in a midi file, but the actual programming still eludes me just as much today as it did back then.
Sad.
When corporations use tricks and gimmicks to cook their books, it’s called fraud, when the U.S. congress does it, it’s referred to as deficit neutral accounting. This is just another case of “Laws for Thee, but NOT for We.“
The Obama Administration’s Justice Department can be counted on to investigate this, and file charges, right? I mean, there is a proponderance of evidence, isn’t there? Maybe they can find out who is really writing these bills, and at who’s behest, right?
This is THE one area we can count on from the current administration…the non-pursuit of Democrat illegalities, partisanship, arm twisting, and Chicago style thuggery. Behold….RADICAL TRANSFORMATION we can count on…
MAybe the huge numbers are figuring in the high inflation coming soon? Meanwhile the NHS in England is buying private health care for their staffers. Something about the waiting list too long.
As someone who worked their way through college in a printer room feeding cases of green bar through printers, I can assure you that just as you cursed the technology, we cursed you.
Agreed.
Ummmm, OK. Though I much prefer the direct election, by the people, of Senators, instead of Senators being appointed by each State’s legislatures.
There are too many opinions that went into the Constitution to follow, or be governed by. Yes, the spirit of a Northerner will be different from the spirit of a Souterner. Whose spirit, or letter, do we follow?
I prefer to follow the Constitution as it exists. That is not to say that the written word of the various contributors should be diminished.
Did, or didn’t, Senators and Representatives (even before the 17th Amendment) meet to combine bills from two different committees? Were those meetings behind closed doors?
I fail to see how the direct election of Senators, by the people, made the federal government more centralized and more controlling. If anything it took control of who went to the Senate from fewer people (a couple of hundred in any State’s Legislature) to more people (the entire State’s population). The popular election of US Senators was de-centralized.
Ummmm, that is exactly what will happen. Once the bills are combined, the one bill will come to the floor of that chamber.
Guess what? The House bill and the Senate bill might be markedly different. Those two bills will go to a conference committee consisting of House and Senate members.
Do you know where this will happen? Yep, behind closed doors. The result will be a single bill, which . . . yes, will return to each chamber to be voted on. If passed, that bill will go to the President’s desk for signature.
Pre-Seventeenth Amendmant and post Seventeenth Amendment this is how bills become law. The bill whatever it’s final form after coming from behind closed doors is always, always, always voted on by each chamber. And, when I say voted on, I mean there is debate before the vote, especially in the Senate.
That is our system. That is the way it has always worked. This is our process. Again, I ask, why all of a sudden this hub-bub?
Yes, I understand that if an indvidual supported a provision that did not make it through the conference committee, they might be “wee wee’d.” Like it or not, that is our system, and it has worked for us. It is often referred to as ’sausage making.’ The good thing is that the individual who lost their provision will get to vote on the final form of the bill.
Tangentially, since none of the bills are read, perhaps it makes no real difference but that still does not make it proper, correct or legal.
When the two bills are combined, they become a new and unique bill and should be voted on as such.
I appreciate the fact that you took the time to look up the seventeenth amendment but if you research the original intent of the Constitution and our (Constitutionally Guaranteed) Republican form of government (and you may notice they never once mentioned a democracy) you will also note that the reason the senators were elected in a different manner was to provide a buffer for the states and to protect we the people from an out of control congress.
Hahahahaha In a really odd sort of way, that does bring some comfort to me and also made me laugh. It is good to know that we made it through that though and if those are the biggest obstacles we face in life, perhaps the future will not be so bad. If they are not … well we will just have to see what we see when this Obamanation begins coming to fruition.
There might be an uproar, and that remains to be seen.
How many pieces of legislation are working through the Congress now? I don’t know, the question was rhetorical. Will MM cover the the process of this other legislation? I don’t know, the question again was rhetorical. And, she is just one person.
We will see if this much attention is given to every bill that goes to conference committee, and behind closed doors.
I have visited your site and have bookmarked it. There is quite a bit there and I will take my time to read through it.
Finally, I am not discussing right or wrong, or for that matter partisanship. I am discussing process and understanding it.
MM mentions, or uses, the phrase ‘behind closed doors’ and it solicits emotions, but does not elaborate on the process that has existed for, I’ll say it again, some 220 plus years. Intellectual honesty requires telling the entire story. Having all this emotional energy absent the facts is disingenuous.
The long time practice of going behind closed doors to combine bills, and not saying so, is a sin of ommission.
My personal favorite was the CAD operators who caused voluminous data dumps when their machines crashed. Of course, every once in a while they would forget to clean up after themselves and the dumps never got caught on the way to the printer. Imagine the look on the new employee’s face when we showed up with 4-7 boxes of paper.
It took away more of the states’ power and influence and gave it to the government. The FF wanted states to have a lot of control over the national government, so people would vote for legistatures and then senators would be named. By allowing direct election, states were bypassed, reducing them even more, to obscurity in running the country.
There has been, there is now and there will continue to be. Your inability or refusal to see or admit to it does not mean that it does not exist.
As am I only one person and despite the Army’s new campaign slogan, I think we all realize and freely admit the weakness of an army of one. However, the fact that we do not march arm in arm, goose-stepping down the rue (that would be street or avenue to you “commoners” in Amerika) does not mean that we should remain unheard and certainly does not mean that we can be summarily dismissed.
Dare I ask? Do you march arm in arm with your entire party simply because they speak with a voice that is louder than your “One voice” that emanates from you as an individual or do you dare to stand your ground whether alone or with a band of brothers when your honor, your duty and your sense of right and wrong is questioned? It is easy to hide in the middle of a pack but not so easy to stand on the edges and guard against the rabid wolves.
I would appreciate it. If by chance, I am incorrect in some points (which is not altogether unlikely) I should not know it were someone not to point it out to me. I do, in all sincerity, welcome discourse … especially when it is relevant to the topic at hand and not towing some party line that elects to stereotype all of us as equals and a mass rather than individuals. I shall look forward to discussions as you have time and would (believe it or not) value your thoughts, ideas and opinions.
But that is exactly the problem. It does not matter if it is a bi-partisan effort or simply a single individual attempting to bypass the regulatory limitations set forth within the constitution, it remains contrary to the supreme law of the land. There is right and there is wrong but there are very few shades of gray. Unfortunately, we have many among us on both sides of the aisle who would gladly submit in the name of compromise. You have taken the time to examine points carefully. You have taken time to look before you leap. In all reality, I would say that we have every bit as much in common as we do to contest with one another … though I feel that both would be equally enjoyable and beneficial … in a mutual regard.
And again I contest that this has been the steady practice for 220 years. Granted, it did not take long for the weaknesses in our constitution to be exploited and the likes of Madison and Jay to be openly mocked by the likes of Henry, Adams and Jefferson due to the new American Aristocracy to be granted carte blanche with our new system.
As long as only those with a vested interest in the success of our nation were granted a right to vote, nobody could vote themselves “pay raises” through social welfare. As long as Senators remained protective of and servants to their respective states, no state’s individual powers could be usurped. Davy Crockett left for Texas due to the inability of our cackle of congress critters to heed our founding fathers and our constitution. Likewise, I pay homage to no political party. However, I do recognize the subtle yet severe distinctions between a republic and a democracy and I have watched in horror as our nation has been labeled and run as a democracy when such was never the intent and severely impedes her chances of survival as a nation, much less as a world power.
I do not have to imagine it … the face you saw was mine.
Also why we must resist the backdoor attempts to nullify the Electoral College system. With (Liberal) states trying to pass laws to award electors based on who wins the national popular vote, rather than who won the vote in their states, they are subverting the intent of the Founders.
Why bother reading this POS. It will all be changed secretly behind closed doors in the wee hours of the morning when nobody is looking except the POS congress critter Pelosi and Reid butt lickers.
Gee, I can’t believe I said all of that without one racist word.
OK. I think we are good. No doubt we will engage again. My hope is that we share with one another when we agree, and disagree.
Rule of Law….Rule of Lies?….Was not written until after it passed committee?….I am sorry for my lack of a Harvard education but I just no not see this as possible under the old Rule of Law….lets look at the procedure as in buying a car….you pick your car and agree on a price…you are handed a 1,500 page contract….sign here….no mention of price or anything else you can understand, you can read it if you want…but you won’t understand it and besides by the time you finish reading, it will have been re-written….If that is Rule of Law there is NO LAW….you can of course still voice your objections to this very new Rule….Nancy P. will appoint someone to fairly represent your views…..
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