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1. #1
   On October 21st, 2009 at 10:16 am, cirrus1701 said:

   Even the newspaper comic strips are pushing this volunteerism garbage, Luann in particular. I’m a sister in Alpha Phi Omega, and this disturbs me! We knew how to do it right.

   (Alpha Phi Omega-national service fraternity with long standing ties to the Scouts. http://www.apo.org/show/About_Us/History/The_Story_Behind_the_Founding)

2. #2
   On October 21st, 2009 at 10:19 am, shimauma2 said:

   Ktlkfm in minnesota has this awesome service commercial.”Now you don’t have to be convicted of a crime to do mandatory community service in OBMACORP!!”

3. #3
   On October 21st, 2009 at 10:23 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

   Nope, not me. I’m staying on the couch.
   (munching popcorn) More cheese Gromit!

4. #4
   On October 21st, 2009 at 10:24 am, zyzzyg said:

   Yep, the thousand points of light that will be part of television programming for a week is a bad thing. And, even if the thousand points of light lasts a year, it is still a bad thing.

   Asking an industry to participate in advancing volunteerism is a bad thing. Not a bad thing in and of itself, but bad because of who is doing the asking.

   It should not be the province of our elected officials to ask anything of us, especially to volunteer or sacrifice. Our elected officials should only urge us to go shopping.

5. #5
   On October 21st, 2009 at 10:25 am, GladzKravtz said:

   Do I smell backfire?

6. #6
   On October 21st, 2009 at 10:25 am, happyscrapper said:

   Off topic, but meanwhile…we have a national alert about H1N1 flu. Apparently, not enough vaccine because of poor planning on the part of government…go figure!! AND, the flu is hitting harder and faster than they “predicted”. Hmmmm…an epidemic. A crisis. Martial law anyone? Quarantines? This is sounding a bit predictable. We’ll see what happens next.

7. #7
   On October 21st, 2009 at 10:25 am, RedDog said:

   President Obama is a classic Marxist in every way. He and his cronies need to be called out and described as such constantly. By the time Nov 2010 rolls around (and 2012) reasonable people with know the truth and vote accordingly.

8. #8
   On October 21st, 2009 at 10:25 am, jamesgreenidge said:

   Gee. What was it about the Bush(s) and Reagan administrations that failed to move and mood the media to be so civic-minded??

   James Greenidge
   Queens NY

9. #9
   On October 21st, 2009 at 10:29 am, spaceycakes said:

   Off topic, but here’s another one to add to the fake-hate crimes encyclopaedia

10. #10
    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:31 am, letget said:

    I do not watch any shows on abc, cbs, nbc, pbs, so I won’t see this crud. I will ‘volunteer’ when I feel like it, not because some actor or bho says I have to.
    L

11. #11
    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:32 am, happyscrapper said:

    but bad because of who is doing the asking.

    That is exactly right, zy! Obama has promised that he is going to put together a citizen military, better even than the current military. He said it, and it is on tape. So don’t deny that he said it. That alone makes us suspicious. How better to form a volunteer “army” than this? And all the crap he has pulled since making that statement has only added fuel to the fire. He is a marxist attempting to take over our government by coup. Oh, and excuse me…but what makes you think you will escape this madness?? Obama and his thugs don’t give a rat’s a$$ about YOU! And you will find that out. You are not safe either! Keep defending his tactics. You too will fall hard when this all comes down and it will hurt your loved ones just as much as the rest of us. Why can’t you see that?

12. #12
    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:32 am, pdigaudio said:

    I steadfastly refuse to do anything. This drive for forced volunteerism and mandatory national service has made me decide to do absolutely nothing except take care of myself and my own needs.

13. #13
    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:34 am, iamsaved said:

    Pretty soon it will be “forced” volunteerism. The oxymoron of the day!

14. #14
    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:34 am, sbmama said:

    What I want to know is: how much time and money do these people donate? Other than to do these PSAs, that is. Something tells me that the percent of income they give is well south of what the average conservative gives. What matters to them is the intention and appearance of doing good, not the actual doing.

15. #15
    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:35 am, Red State Skeptic said:

    Walpin is suing to get his job back as the Obama political machine takes over the national service juggernaut. It’s a David-vs.-Goliath, made-for-TV plot line.

    Except the lawsuit is completely frivolous.

    The statute:

    (b) An Inspector General may be removed from office by the President. The President shall communicate the reasons for any such removal to both Houses of Congress.

    Whether or not the White House told Congress why it was dismissing Walpin did not affect Walpin’s employment whatsoever. Congress had no right to tell the White House not to fire Walpin.

    Did the White House act improperly by not reporting the dismissal to Congress? Yes. Did they fire Walpin for the wrong reason? Maybe. Does Walpin have a case? Not whatsoever.

    Aren’t Republicans supposed to favor at-will employment? And don’t they oppose frivolous lawsuits?

    h y p o c r i t e

16. #16
    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:37 am, dan708 said:

    I’m already working like a dog and paying taxes OUT THE KAZOO on my measly salary. I donate blood every few months. That’s all I can do.

17. #17
    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:40 am, stillontheroad said:

    zyzzyg said:
    My “volunteerism” is forced already. I just look at my paycheck and see the amount of taxes being taken out to support a bunch of leeches that will not lift a finger to help themselves. My”volunteerism” is taking care of my family and my home. If you and your ilk wish to live like ants in an ant hill go right ahead.

18. #18
    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:40 am, tre said:

    Lemme see here. My wife volunteers to serve as an interpreter for Chinese people who can’t understand English very well.
    A neighbor of ours in our old neighbor hood has health problems. I volunteer to mow her lawn for her.
    Unlike some “volunteers”, we aren’t there long enough to have our picture taken, then leave. We aren’t wearing $500 shoes. We are there until it’s finished and we get no publicity.

19. #19
    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:41 am, happyscrapper said:

    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:35 am, Red State Skeptic said:

    Something stupid, but I am now skipping those posts, so I couldn’t tell you what it was. Life is too short to abide fools.

20. #20
    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:41 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Well I for one am fired up over volunteering Yes Sir! Off to Russia I am to help refurbish The Joseph Stalin White-Sea Baltic Canal, Kolyma gold-mining region, Five Year Plans and Corvée Labor, vacations at the Archipelago.

    WE SERVE OBAMA, OBAMA WILL PROTECT US mmm mmm mmm! The twits at the dinosaur media will not know what hit them come the purges. Volunteer for Obama-Faust would understand.

21. #21
    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:42 am, sbmama said:

    Re: iamsaved #827897
    Forced volunteerism is already here in California. The requirements to graduate public high school here in my town include 60 hours of community service. It’s not volunteering if it’s mandatory.

22. #22
    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:44 am, graysonret said:

    Thanks to you, dear leader, and the congress, too many Americans are trying to scrape enough of a living to get by on. They don’t have time to volunteer. I have an idea, Obama. Get the welfare people to “volunteer”. At least they can do something worthwhile, besides watching the rest of us bust ourselves to support them.

23. #23
    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:48 am, iamsaved said:

    Redstate Skeptic said: Aren’t Republicans supposed to favor at-will employment? And don’t they oppose frivolous lawsuits?

    h y p o c r i t e

    Sort of like the howling by Democrats when Bush did an “at-will” firing of 8 State Attorneys – similar to Clinton’s firing of 93 State Attorney’s. Who’s the hypocrit?

24. #24
    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:51 am, iamsaved said:

    My suggestion is allow ACORN to redeem themselves and give up the “Community Organizing” for the Democrats and start “Community Service” for all of the people.

25. #25
    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:56 am, iamsaved said:

    Here’s another suggestion. Since the SEIU has the name Service in their title, let their hundreds of thousand members volunteer in Obama’s purple shirt army (as opposed to the brown shirts of bygone days).

26. #26
    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:56 am, Red State Skeptic said:

    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:48 am, iamsaved said:

    Sort of like the howling by Democrats when Bush did an “at-will” firing of 8 State Attorneys – similar to Clinton’s firing of 93 State Attorney’s. Who’s the hypocrit?

    I’m not saying the White House acted properly. In fact, I said the opposite. I’m just saying this is a groundless lawsuit.

27. #27
    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:59 am, iamsaved said:

    Redstate Skeptic – I might agree if he was fired for dereliction of duty – but not for exposing the facts that he was paid do expose. Firing him because they don’t agree with his assessment dilutes the purpose of the IG office.

28. #28
    On October 21st, 2009 at 11:01 am, stillontheroad said:

    Red State Skeptic said:

    You mean fired for doing his job?? And his findings did not dovetail with the Puppet and Chiefs agenda, let alone the fact it was his “Buddy” involved? You Libtards crack me up.

29. #29
    On October 21st, 2009 at 11:06 am, Red State Skeptic said:

    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:48 am, iamsaved said:

    Sort of like the howling by Democrats when Bush did an “at-will” firing of 8 State Attorneys – similar to Clinton’s firing of 93 State Attorney’s. Who’s the hypocrit?

    By the way, I can’t let this slide: Clinton replaced 89 of the 93 U.S. (not State) Attorneys in his first two years, as per tradition (the same number Reagan replaced).

    W replaced 88 USA’s in his first two years. The scandal was his 2007 dismissal of 7 USA’s because they weren’t doing his bidding — highly irregular if not unprecedented. Historically, the DOJ has had more independence from the White House than other organizations, as it should.

30. #30
    On October 21st, 2009 at 11:10 am, stillontheroad said:

    Red State Skeptic said:

    They serve at the behest of the President — period and end of story. And what bidding might that be??

31. #31
    On October 21st, 2009 at 11:11 am, MDH3 said:

    There’s a great line from All About Eve which is, I believe, apropos of the entertainment industry lecturing the rest of us on our civic responsibilities:

    I shall never understand the weird process by which a body with a voice suddenly fancies itself a mind!

32. #32
    On October 21st, 2009 at 11:22 am, iamsaved said:

    Red State Skeptic said:

    Historically, the DOJ has had more independence from the White House than other organizations, as it should.

    Please pass this tidbit to AG Holder and Obama.

33. #33
    On October 21st, 2009 at 11:24 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Firing US Attorneys? That is a job I would volunteer for Sign me up.

34. #34
    On October 21st, 2009 at 11:36 am, Dave Turson said:

    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:35 am, Red State Skeptic said:

    Whether or not the White House told Congress why it was dismissing Walpin did not affect Walpin’s employment whatsoever. Congress had no right to tell the White House not to fire Walpin.

    Team Obama did not follow the Inspectors General Reform Act of 2008. Congress was to review the reasons for the removal of an IG beforehand.

    From the The Inspector General Reform Act of 2008:

    SEC. 3. REMOVAL OF INSPECTORS GENERAL.
    (a) ESTABLISHMENTS.—Section 3(b) of the Inspector General
    Act of 1978 (5 U.S.C. App.) is amended by striking the second
    sentence and inserting ‘‘If an Inspector General is removed from
    office or is transferred to another position or location within an
    establishment, the President shall communicate in writing the reasons for any such removal or transfer to both Houses of Congress, not later than 30 days before the removal or transfer. Nothing in this subsection shall prohibit a personnel action otherwise authorized by law, other than transfer or removal.’’

35. #35
    On October 21st, 2009 at 11:39 am, DBNinKY said:

    By the way, I can’t let this slide: Clinton replaced 89 of the 93 U.S. (not State) Attorneys in his first two years, as per tradition (the same number Reagan replaced).

    There was neither a justifiable tradition nor precedent set, for Clinton to remove those US Attorneys simply because Reagan did it!

    The Left seems to be under the impression that they can excuse any outlandish act by the Obama ad by saying “Reagan did it!” Man, y’all need to be original and take some responsibility for your own mistakes -

36. #36
    On October 21st, 2009 at 11:40 am, zyzzyg said:

    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:32 am, happyscrapper said: #872894

    That is exactly right, zy!

    Very well, your cards are clearly on the table. Should there be any concern if Pres Obama asks citizens to join the military?

    Obama has promised that he is going to put together a citizen military, better even than the current military. He said it, and it is on tape. So don’t deny that he said it.

    I had thought Rahm Emanuel said it, or something similar to that. Put into context, Emanuel was expressing what is done in Israel, where every citizen is required to perform some level of service. Emanuel also acknowledged that a ‘requirement’ would not fly culturally in America, but a program of some sort, like service to America, would be a good idea.

    That alone makes us suspicious. How better to form a volunteer “army” than this?

    Ummmm, we already have a volunteer Army. Are you suggesting that you are suspicious of our Army?

    And all the crap he has pulled since making that statement has only added fuel to the fire.

    Like what? It is too easy to throw out a charge without backing it up. Are you sure of your facts that result in your conclusion of crap?

    He is a marxist attempting to take over our government by coup.

    Scooby Doo . . . Hurrh?

    Do you understand the meaning of coup? Pres Obama is already the head of state and CINC. Who is he going to overthrow, himself?

    Oh, and excuse me…but what makes you think you will escape this madness?? Obama and his thugs don’t give a rat’s a$$ about YOU! And you will find that out. You are not safe either! Keep defending his tactics. You too will fall hard when this all comes down and it will hurt your loved ones just as much as the rest of us. Why can’t you see that

    Because my paranoid dellusions do not run that deep. Because, I deal in facts and not conspiracy theories.

    Moreover, I am not defending any and/or every thing Pres Obama does. Absolutely, take Pres Obama to task. I do. But, do it with facts, and not with misrepresentations, mischaracterizations, extrapolations, or by assigning motives.

37. #37
    On October 21st, 2009 at 11:41 am, BadIdeaGuy said:

    Funny, I was just reading about a President calling for a patriotic spirit of service on state-run media… only it was Chinese media…

    -Media subservience to govt: check.
    -Mao worship: check.
    -”Transformational” leader: check.
    -Compulsory service: not quite yet…

38. #38
    On October 21st, 2009 at 11:45 am, stillontheroad said:

    zyzzyg said:

    You arte talking about the DRAFT — LOLOL now I have seen everything

39. #39
    On October 21st, 2009 at 11:49 am, DBNinKY said:

    Oops! “…set, for… .”

    Lazy hands on the keyboard -

40. #40
    On October 21st, 2009 at 11:49 am, Truesoldier said:

    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:34 am, iamsaved said:
    Pretty soon it will be “forced” volunteerism. The oxymoron of the day!

    Actually it is paid volunteerism:

    Clearly, Mr. Schwarz has bought into the concept of paid volunteerism. The phrase may sound oxymoronic, but an ever-growing number of retirees and nonprofit executives say it is an apt description of the way modern retirees view nonprofit work.

41. #41
    On October 21st, 2009 at 11:53 am, zyzzyg said:

    On October 21st, 2009 at 10:40 am, stillontheroad said: #827901

    My “volunteerism” is forced already. I just look at my paycheck and see the amount of taxes being taken out to support a bunch of leeches that will not lift a finger to help themselves. My”volunteerism” is taking care of my family and my home. If you and your ilk wish to live like ants in an ant hill go right ahead.

    Yep, I feel the same way about taxes and those leeches who get subsidies for corn, sugar, milk, regional airports, flood insurance, people paid not to grow crops, etc.

    Would you agree that if Pres Obama knew what he was doing, he would cancel all of these leech laden subsidized programs that were in effect before he came to office?

    I agree, charity begins at home. Though when there is an overflow, it isn’t a problem to share it.

    Nope. Not living like an ant.

42. #42
    On October 21st, 2009 at 11:55 am, sbw999 said:

    That is why you won’t be able to change the TV channel all week without getting lectured about the need to get off the couch and Do Something.

    Personally I dont care if this is what he wants to ask of America, but I will note that there aren’t too many conservatives that need such a message. It is mainly the dem constituency that includes a ton of people living off the public dole.

43. #43
    On October 21st, 2009 at 11:56 am, cheapseat said:

    WELFARE BY ANY OTHER NAME IS STILL A MEANS TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO AVOID HONEST WORK THROUGH THE GUBMINT DOLE LINE. IT’S WORKED SOOOO WELL IN ENGLAND AND EUROPE.

44. #44
    On October 21st, 2009 at 12:03 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    On October 21st, 2009 at 11:36 am, Dave Turson said:

    And that affects the merits of Walpin’s suit how?

45. #45
    On October 21st, 2009 at 12:03 pm, onlybeef42 said:

    Last night both the “The Biggest Loser” and “The Forgotten” had multiple segments about awkwardly placed segments about service.

46. #46
    On October 21st, 2009 at 12:04 pm, frontierguy said:

    As far as the state attorneys, i live in southern cali and Lam was let go because she had not approved an illegal alien smuggling case in years. Even in cases where the smuggled aliens were in danger or being abused. Honestly, with Bush’s love for illegals, that surprised me. But, anyone here who may be hurt, Lam picked up a job with Qualcomm making something like a quarter million a year.

    Walpin being let go after he exposed Obama’s homie in Sacramento for being a crook? Seriously, worse than watergate, but you liberals have fun and look up the meaning of hypocrit before you sling it.

    Oh yeah, Obama sure did say on the campaign trail he wanted a civilian army better funded than our military. Someone here needs to figure out what sarcasm means when quotations are around a word. Any where in the world that means secret police. The fact that he said that should cause people alarm, even though I don’t believe he will be able to pull it off.

47. #47
    On October 21st, 2009 at 12:06 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    On October 21st, 2009 at 11:39 am, DBNinKY said:

    There was neither a justifiable tradition nor precedent set, for Clinton to remove those US Attorneys simply because Reagan did it!

    Wow. It was the right who kept yammering about how what Bush did was no big deal because Clinton did it (not true, since that was at the beginning of his presidency). Is it off limits to rebut that by saying Reagan also replaced the USA’s?

48. #48
    On October 21st, 2009 at 12:07 pm, rocketman said:

    ***
    I was “volunteered” to serve in the U.S. Army from 1964–1966. But at least they were honest–they didn’t call it volunteering–they called it the draft.
    ***
    If it’s mandatory it can’t be voluntary. Say what you mean and mean what you say.
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

49. #49
    On October 21st, 2009 at 12:14 pm, FirstSkirt said:

    It isn’t charity if it doesn’t cost you anything. These so-called celebs aren’t doing these PS spots or volunteering their time out of the goodness of their hearts–they stand to benefit dramatically with all the good PR they get from the dimmi press. Spare me all the platitudes, Obeyme. I want nothing to do with you!!

50. #50
    On October 21st, 2009 at 12:15 pm, stillontheroad said:

    zyzzyg said:
    You mean Farm Subsidized Crops? Look in your plate every day and in your glass every night and think about it.

51. #51
    On October 21st, 2009 at 12:24 pm, Dave Turson said:

    On October 21st, 2009 at 12:03 pm, Red State Skeptic said:
    And that affects the merits of Walpin’s suit how?

    Are you a lawyer? You tell me. I’m starting to understand how Mao Zedong got away with it.

52. #52
    On October 21st, 2009 at 12:27 pm, Patronedheart said:

    These idiots and anybody who follows them blindly and agrees with what they say should read “Atlas Shrugged” sometime.

53. #53
    On October 21st, 2009 at 12:29 pm, et said:

    §97.1 Basis and purpose.
    The rules and regulations in this Part are designed to provide an amateur radio service having a fundamental purpose as expressed in the following principles:

    (a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications.

    (b) Continuation and extension of the amateur’s proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art.

    (c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which provide for advancing skills in both the communications and technical phases of the art.

    (d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.

    (e) Continuation and extension of the amateur’s unique ability to enhance international goodwill. </blockquote

    As an amateur radio licensee, I have been a government volunteer for over a decade. The government grants me use of the radio spectrum and in return I volunteer to assist in an emergency.

54. #54
    On October 21st, 2009 at 12:33 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On October 21st, 2009 at 11:53 am, zyzzyg said:
    I agree, charity begins at home. Though when there is an overflow, it isn’t a problem to share it.

    The only overflow at my home is the terlit. I’ll be more than happy to share that with you.

55. #55
    On October 21st, 2009 at 12:45 pm, spaceycakes said:

    If I do have an ‘overflow’ as zyzz notes, it would only go to the deserving. And yes, I get to determine the ‘deserving’ part.

    Here’s a hint: it has to do with job history.

56. #56
    On October 21st, 2009 at 12:50 pm, John Deaux said:

    On October 21st, 2009 at 12:29 pm, et said:

    73′s to you my friend.

57. #57
    On October 21st, 2009 at 1:18 pm, orlandocajun said:

    This whole public service thing must be a substitute for gainful employment since many of Obama’s voters don’t work. Either that, or the Democrats need to register some more dead people.

58. #58
    On October 21st, 2009 at 1:19 pm, Regulus said:

    The entertainment industry, inspired by Obama’s $6 billion expansion of government volunteerism spending, is coordinating plot lines and ads to push public service.

    Well, shucks then, sign me up! After all, if my moral and intellectual betters in Hollywood — the ones who removed the scales from my eyes by teaching me the difference between “rape” (OK) and “rape-rape” (maybe not-OK) when it comes to sex with drugged 13 year-old girls — what is left to do but to fall into line?

59. #59
    On October 21st, 2009 at 1:48 pm, HotWeaver said:

    massive fiscal management

    Should that read mismanagement?

60. #60
    On October 21st, 2009 at 2:02 pm, rightwingmom said:

    Looks like this will be Family Fun Week!

    Turn off the TV, cancel your DVR settings, pull out the board games, and bond with your kiddos!

    (Except for staying current w/ FoxNEWS!)

61. #61
    On October 21st, 2009 at 2:04 pm, corona said:

    Related - a .gov site is nothing less than an Obamacare propaganda machine.

62. #62
    On October 21st, 2009 at 2:12 pm, Truesoldier said:

    On October 21st, 2009 at 2:02 pm, rightwingmom said:
    Looks like this will be Family Fun Week!

    Turn off the TV, cancel your DVR settings, pull out the board games, and bond with your kiddos!

    When my wife and I moved into our new home 5 years ago come this Jan we decided not to have cable/satelite tv. We are loving it. Not paying for the garbage that is on 95% of the channels has saved us plenty of money to take great family vacations every year (Hawaii next April/May time frame for our next trip). We use Netflix to watch the movies and tv shows that we wnat to watch. We even get the old looney tunes dvd’s so our kids can watch real cartoons instead of most of what passes for cartoons today. The internet provides me with the news and sports.

63. #63
    On October 21st, 2009 at 2:17 pm, Freddy said:

    So there I was, watching Heroes on the dvr – skipping all comercials of course – and they did have the ‘service moment’.

    It was actually done in such a way as to show how stupid it would be for 16+ million or so! The college kid suggested it to her unemployed father. He just kinda grunted in the show, but I have no doubt when they taped it the whole bunch of em busted out laughing at the stupidity of it.

    Something about the law of unintended consequences in there. Or maybe not.

64. #64
    On October 21st, 2009 at 2:19 pm, TanyaB said:

    I’ll do it!! But they won’t like it!! I’m gonna’ get up and go out and make signs for tea parties.. Or maybe donate to same.. or maybe march in same. Gee, I’m feeling more and more like being a volunteer.

65. #65
    On October 21st, 2009 at 2:54 pm, Common Sense said:

    We don’t watch TV, except for some history or science-related shows on cable. I personally, never watch TV.

    As for volunteering, we’re busy volunteering for our kids’ high school – marching band, choir, basketball, registration, etc. Since only about 20-30 core families out of 250 work bingo, sell tickets, help feed the kids for an event, load the equipment truck, etc. people should start close to home with their volunteerism. If they won’t even help their own kids, why would they help anyone else?

    In closing, why would I ever do what some celebrity bimbo tells me too? Because they’re in a movie or on TV or are rich? Since when does that give them any credibility for anything else?

66. #66
    On October 21st, 2009 at 2:56 pm, stillontheroad said:

    Here is one for the books:
    President Barack Obama signed an executive order earlier this month requiring federal agencies to set a 2020 greenhouse gas emission reduction target within 90 days – and he followed up by asking “our brave men and women in uniform” and government employees to compete in the GreenGov Challenge.
    Now, our troops have volunteered to join and fight 2 wars, they are under funded and needing support accross the board and this is what our Dithering Whiner in Chief comes up with.

67. #67
    On October 21st, 2009 at 2:57 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On October 21st, 2009 at 11:45 am, stillontheroad said: #827953

    You arte talking about the DRAFT — LOLOL now I have seen everything

    Draft? If you are talking about a military draft, it was stopped in the late seventies. Yes, selective service registration is still required for some of our citizens.

    It helps the discussion when you use facts. You may have seen everything, but it is apparent you do not know what a fact looks like. LOLOL

68. #68
    On October 21st, 2009 at 2:57 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On October 21st, 2009 at 11:45 am, stillontheroad said: #827953

    You arte talking about the DRAFT — LOLOL now I have seen everything

    Draft? If you are talking about a military draft, it was stopped in the late seventies. Yes, selective service registration is still required for some of our citizens.

    It helps the discussion when you use facts. You may have seen everything, but it is apparent you do not know what a fact looks like. LOLOL

69. #69
    On October 21st, 2009 at 3:02 pm, stillontheroad said:

    Put into context, Emanuel Obama was expressing what is done in Israel, where every citizen is required to perform some level of service. That is a Draft, they are required to sign up and when of age be part of the Armed services.

70. #70
    On October 21st, 2009 at 3:11 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On October 21st, 2009 at 12:15 pm, stillontheroad said: #827975

    You mean Farm Subsidized Crops? Look in your plate every day and in your glass every night and think about it.

    Are you suggesting that there is a justification for farm subsidized crops? If that is the case, then certainly a justification can be made for any type of subsidy. Should every subsidy be accepted because it is justified? Because, it has a constituency?

    Nope. No. And, never. This is part of the reason we are in the situation we are now in. You support my subsidy and I’ll support your subsidy. Government involvement in markets is less than helpful.

    I prefer an effort to elimimate all subsidies. To minimize Government involvement in markets. And, to get politicians in office who recognize the consequences of ‘horse trading.’

71. #71
    On October 21st, 2009 at 3:12 pm, stillontheroad said:

    zyzzyg said:

    Furthermore, Little Caesars citizen Army – other than the fact this statement from the Ones Holy hole has opened a lot of eyes with people that see. Now how does he manage to get his citizen troops to join – other than his worshipping thugs? Well lets see, how bout before anyonbe is allowed to go to college or join the work force, lets make it mandatory to join the Ones Citizen Army – right out of the Socialist/Communist playbook slick.

72. #72
    On October 21st, 2009 at 3:33 pm, TypicalWhite said:

    I love this sort of stuff! BO & Co. want to redistribute our earnings to whoever they think needs more. Now they want to redistribute our time. How about a little bit of surgery to redistribute our intelligence? Then we’ll all be equal!

73. #73
    On October 21st, 2009 at 3:33 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On October 21st, 2009 at 3:02 pm, stillontheroad said: #828134

    Put into context, Emanuel Obama was expressing what is done in Israel, where every citizen is required to perform some level of service. That is a Draft, they are required to sign up and when of age be part of the Armed services.

    It could be considered a draft in Israel. Because, it is a requirement in, (where?) . . . Israel. Also, not every Israeli citizen is required to serve in the military. Conservative Jews are exempt and Arabs are discouraged, and often times rejected. So, those not in the militery, in Israel, are given another path to support their country.

    What you failed to comprehend from my post -

    “Emanuel also acknowledged that a ‘requirement’ would not fly culturally in America, but a program of some sort, like service to America, would be a good idea.”

    ‘Some sort’ of program and no ‘requirement’ does not equal a draft.

    Existing programs, in the US and not created by Pres Obama, like the Peace Corps and AmeriCorp could fill the bill to what Emanuel was speaking about. OH, and no one is being drafted into these programs either.

74. #74
    On October 21st, 2009 at 3:46 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On October 21st, 2009 at 3:12 pm, stillontheroad said: #828145

    Furthermore, Little Caesars citizen Army – other than the fact this statement from the Ones Holy hole has opened a lot of eyes with people that see. Now how does he manage to get his citizen troops to join – other than his worshipping thugs? Well lets see, how bout before anyonbe is allowed to go to college or join the work force, lets make it mandatory to join the Ones Citizen Army – right out of the Socialist/Communist playbook slick.

    Is this currently happening, or are you specualting? Guessing? Hoping?

    What you seem to be concerned about already exists. Here’s a fact for you. If you are of a certain age and have not registered with the selective service, you will find it difficult getting a Federal job and student loans. Did Pres Obama enact this law?

    No worries, I have no expectation that you will respond to these direct questions with direct answers. I am fairly confident that you will take some sort of tangent.

75. #75
    On October 21st, 2009 at 4:04 pm, Elm Creek Smith said:

    The massive, leftward tilt in Hollywood donations to Democrat campaign coffers speaks for itself. As do the celebrity vows of volunteer-mongers like Demi Moore, who pledged in a recent national service PSA not to be a servant to her fellow citizens or her country, but “a servant to Barack Obama.”

    Would that make her a “house honky?”

    ECS

76. #76
    On October 21st, 2009 at 5:08 pm, stillontheroad said:

    zyzzyg said:
    Here is something right back at you. What ever you think cannot happen is a delusion. When Companies are taken over by the Government with no Return on that investment, CEO pay is being controlled by Government, Service Men and Women are in combat and this clown asks them to join in on how to make America Greener, etc etc. The Sock Puppet said what he said and I believe him.
    Draft: transitive verb to select somebody for compulsory service in the armed forces
    Fact: Obama stated he wants a Civilian Service as well or better equiped than the military.
    Draw your own conclusions.

77. #77
    On October 21st, 2009 at 5:29 pm, iowavette said:

    It is really hard to swallow any kind of direction from nearly anyone involved with the entertainment industry given their moral and ethical track record. I believe Cesar Milan made some sort of comment after his season opener but it went in one ear and out the other and it was at the end of the show. There are lots of other activities to pursue besides watching television. Many of us may soon be pursuing them.

78. #78
    On October 21st, 2009 at 5:41 pm, fred5676 said:

    So nice to see the pledge to our president and our country by these celebs in the Demi Moore clip.

    Reminds me of her similar effort in January, 2001.

    Oh, wait …

    Never mind. I guess they were all busy making movies the past eight years, and not much time for this vounteerin’ stuff.

79. #79
    On October 21st, 2009 at 6:25 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On October 21st, 2009 at 5:08 pm, stillontheroad said: #828206

    As I suspected, you did not answer direct questions.

    Here is something right back at you. What ever you think cannot happen is a delusion.

    What is it called when you think something is happening, that isn’t happening? Is that having an imagination?

    When Companies are taken over by the Government with no Return on that investment,

    I am against no return on investment. If the path you have chosen, not unlike that for Chrysler or the S&L Industry some years ago, then you had better structure it much better.

    CEO pay is being controlled by Government,

    Get the facts straight. Pay for CEOs who took bailout money is being controlled. Pay for CEOs who did not take bailout money is not subject to government controll. Correct?

    Service Men and Women are in combat and this clown asks them to join in on how to make America Greener, etc etc.

    Scooby Doo . . . Hurh?

    I am unfamiliar with this policy. Please provide a link.

    The Sock Puppet said what he said and I believe him.

    But, you won’t believe Pres Obama when he says the alternative to not saving these companies was more catastrophic?

    Draft: transitive verb to select somebody for compulsory service in the armed forces

    Ummmm, OK. Definitions are fine. But, who is advancing a military draft?

    Fact: Obama stated he wants a Civilian Service as well or better equiped than the military.
    Draw your own conclusions

    My conclusion is that Pres Obama would like to expand the Peace Corp and AmeriCorps. Two programs that he did not individually create. You may not realize this, but Pres Obama has yet to create, fund, or propose legislation for a ‘Civilian Service’. I will suggest ‘imagination’ instead of ‘dellusional.’

    How about addressing the issue of subsidies? From your post #827975, and my response to it in post #828141.

    Don’t worry, I will not hold my breath.

80. #80
    On October 21st, 2009 at 9:20 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On October 21st, 2009 at 11:06 am, Red State Skeptic said:

    (snip)

    W replaced 88 USA’s in his first two years. The scandal was his 2007 dismissal of 7 USA’s because they weren’t doing his bidding — highly irregular if not unprecedented. Historically, the DOJ has had more independence from the White House than other organizations, as it should.

    And as inspector generals should. Firing Walpin was analogous to rubbing out a witness to a crime. The 88 USA’s were fired for NOT doing their job. Walpin was fired FOR doing his job.

81. #81
    On October 21st, 2009 at 11:21 pm, graysonret said:

    Volunteering is working without pay for some good for society. I volunteer a lot of hours every week. I don’t want to volunteer, but Washington says I must, and “forcibly removes” my pay to make me volunteer. So, when I go to work on Monday morning, I’m “volunteering”. I certainly won’t see any pay for the work I do. The money I “make” will go toward some social program dreamed up by Washington. I also volunteer my time whenever I buy a product because of oppressive regulations and corporate taxes, that companies don’t pay, I do. Many families “volunteer” their time so much, they live paycheck to paycheck. Washington demands their work (volunteer) time so much, they have to scrimp on food and other necessities so “six-pack Joe” can continue sitting on his porch: I guess that’s charity. Now dear leader wants us to “volunteer” some more? I don’t think I can fit any more time in.

82. #82
    On October 22nd, 2009 at 9:02 am, cirrus1701 said:

    Rogue-Thanks for the Archie Bunker chuckle. Now I have to find some paper towels. I just can’t be drinking anything while reading these posts.

    ECS-House honky. That’s funny!

    True Soldier-I totally agree with the whole cartoons thing. I got mine hooked on Loony Tunes, the Jetsons, the Flintstones, etc. Oh, and let’s not forget the Coyote and Roadrunner episodes where you actually see the splat on the canyon floor. That’s some good watchin’!!

    (Sorry for the thread drift. )

83. #83
    On October 22nd, 2009 at 9:29 am, shimauma2 said:

    Since the SEIU has the name Service in their title, let their hundreds of thousand members volunteer in Obama’s purple shirt army (as opposed to the brown shirts of bygone days).

    I tol’ ya!! They’re PURPLEBELLIES!!! DON’T BREATH THE PAX!!! Check barry hussein and michelle mabelle for blue hands!

84. #84
    On October 22nd, 2009 at 12:31 pm, DBNinKY said:

    RSS:

    To be clear -

    1. I voted for President Reagan and agreed w/ his reasons for bringing in a new slew of US Attorneys to exact cases from the approach of the then new administration. I had no problems when Clinton did it either; after all, they serve at the president’s pleasure. Likewise w/ President Bush’s removal of the seven/eight US Attorneys: they did not measure up to his standards in the application of justice so he had every right to remove them.

    2. However, IG’s do not equate to US Attorneys. While attorneys learn their trade in the clinical settings of colleges and court rooms, IG’s possess a skill set and level of experience in keeping the American public safeguarded that can neither be replicated nor duplicated in the classroom or training field. It places the public at risk to remove these highly skilled IG’s from their posts and replace them w/ less experienced allies who will tow the party line.