Message to GOP: Can you hear conservatives now?; Update: Palin is listening
Scroll down for updates…Palin endorses conservative Doug Hoffman…
From reader Barnaby, who sent back his crossed-out Republican solicitation forms with a “NO RINOS” sticky note for Newt Gingrich:
From reader K., a message to GOP Rep. Jeb Hensarling’s office:
As you’ve hopefully figured out by now, your boss really stepped in it with the endorsement of this left-winger in New York.
Jeb likes to tell everyone how he’s a ‘conservative first and a Republican second,’ but the endorsement of Dede Scozzafava made it clear where his current priorities lie.
I’ve contributed thousands of dollars to your boss over the years. In the past, I’ve always been quick to tell a crowd how much I love Jeb Hensarling. I love his speeches, and I (usually) like the way he votes, but unless Jeb changes his priorities as a Republican leader, he’ll never see another dime or hear another word of support from me.
Reader Shirley sends the note she sent to the NRCC and the automated reply she received in response:
I just returned a questionnaire from Michael Steele and the RNC a few weeks ago, but could not include a contribution. I also received a questionnaire and a request for money from John Boehner and promptly dispatched that to the shredder. Unfortunately, I do not trust the RNC, NRCC nor any of you so called “Republicans” to invest my money wisely in promoting truly conservative candidates. Thank goodness I did NOT send any of my hard earned money.
All of you have pulled the wool over my eyes for quite some time now. No more. After your latest debacle in NY and your support of another RINO, you will not succeed in leading me down that well worn path of Republican self-destruction.
I knew that Newt was leading the Republicans astray with his patronization/appeasement of Pelosi (on the big, comfy, global warming couch), and his traipsing around the countryside with the hustler Sharpton, but to come out in support of Scozzafava? You must be kidding?
The RNC has fallen in step with a huge contribution to support this so called Republican, Scozzafava?
The Republican National Committee also confirmed Friday that it was making a six-figure transfer to the National Republican Campaign Committee to help in that race.
The NRCC has already spent nearly half a million dollars on advertising and other independent expenditures. And with the Scozzafava campaign on television only sparingly — reportedly because of slow fundraising — it has become the main source of advertising for the Republicans at this point.
The RNC is also giving $85,000 to the state party, the maximum allowed for a coordinated campaign, and has two staffers on the ground in the district.
In a letter to supporters, Gingrich called the Nov. 3 special election “an important test” for the party in advance of the 2010 mid-term election. Scozzafava is “Our best chance to put responsible and principled leaders in Washington,” he said.
Since all of you seem to know so much more than I do, why don’t you explain to ALL of us conservatives why you would not support Hoffman. On second thought, don’t bother.
And, tell me WHY I would send money to any of you! On second thought, don’t bother. I don’t even live in NY, but you have hoodwinked me for the last time.
Self-destruct if you wish; you won’t take me with you – not this time.
Shirley XXXXXXX
Subject: Thank you for your thoughts and comments
Date: 10/17/2009 11:16:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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Sent on:Thank you for contacting the Republican National Committee. We certainly appreciated your email, and will include your thoughts in our report to the Chairman. Please do not hesitate to contact us in the future with any of your thoughts, opinions or observations.
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And from reader Paul to the RNC and NRCC:
I have been a Republican voter for pretty nearly my entire adult life,ut am getting fed up with our Republican “leaders” and their increasing support for, though you call them moderates, radical, left wing ideologues such as Dede Scozzafava, proud winner of the Margaret Sanger Award.
In the past two weeks, according to one poll, Doug Hoffman has closed the gap quite a bit (from 16% against Scozzafava’s 35%, to 23% to Scozzafava’s 29%) and done that WITHOUT YOUR MUCH NEEDED SUPPORT. Why you have chosen to completely ignore your base, the ones at the town halls this summer, the ones at the Tea Parties (including yours truly on the Capitol lawn on 9/12), those of us who are DEMANDING that the spending madness stop, and that government get out of our lives is beyond me.
It’s political suicide.
Stop attacking Doug Hoffman now! Stop this madness. Or, simply resign from you’re membership in the GOP and do what you know you really want to do: join Arlen Specter. Leave the Republican party to those who believe principles mean something.
My voter registration is “Unaffiliated” and will never be Republican again until you oust the likes Scozzafava (though there are certainly more) from the list of those you support. You will not get one red cent from me until I see evidence that you are doing what is right, which you certainly are not at this time.
I am not even a NY resident, but will consider donating to Doug Hoffman’s campaign
The Wall Street Journal had a story on the race with the headline, “Tea-Party Activists Complicate Republican Comeback Strategy.” The truth is the opposite: The GOP establishment complicates the Republican and conservative comeback strategy.
Attention, GOP establishment: Can you hear conservatives now?
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i really doubt it. I am just waiting for them to say that no one should pay attention to all the “chatter” out there.
Probably not. Last year’s wax in this year’s ears.
It’s a shame not to see the upside down GOP graphic. I love me some dead elephant in the morning.
If ever it was needed, it’s now.
You know, maybe I am going out on a limb here, but I am getting the creeping suspicion that Michelle Malkin simply does not care for Dede Scozzafava.
HA has a post ‘Is Palin about to endorse Doug Hoffman?’ I love Sarah, She is a true conservative. This might be a good move for Sarah, IMO. The rnc is cutting their own throat. Not one penny to them from our home.
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There’s hardly a story out there that MM could not attach the dead elephant graphic to. I’d love to see a rampaging bull elephant story, but then I realize the elephant is indeed full of bull so that won’t work either.
I just got a questionaire from the RNC. Seems I’ll have to dig it out of the recycle box and send it back to them.
“Not one cent from me until you support true conservatives. NO to RINO’S”
I think I’ll use a red Sharpie too. And, I’ll make them pay the postage.
Hey, this could be fun.
It’s not that they don’t hear us, it’s that they expected Dick Armey to deliver the Tea Party movement right into the lap of the GOP like Moses to the promised land. Instead, Armey delivered a public rebuke to the RNC by echoing Sarah Palin’s pledge to support any candidate who promises to defend the Constitution and work for conservative principles. That left the GOP in a quandary with their “monied interests” where they can no longer even pretend to be anything other than the weak half of the post-partisan cabal of corrupt politicians.
If the RNC loses the NY-23 race for their masters, they have lost all reason to exist. After all, they only represent 23% of registered voters and have failed utterly in their attempts to impress the enemies of conservatism into joining the party by stabbing their conservative base in the back. There is no honor in that tactic. Even even the scuzziest scuzballs aren’t impressed by such duplicity.
So long GOP. Read up on the procedure the Whigs followed when they disbanded their party in the 1850s.
Don’t you just love the condescending reply to Shirley from Michael Steele’s office?
No, Michelle, they don’t hear conservatives. Either that, or they don’t give a damn about what we think. They would rather shoot themselves in the foot and continue to lose elections than support conservatives. Charlie Crist and Marco Rubio in Florida come to mind. The RNC immediately jumped into the Crist camp only because he has name recognition. Charlie Crist was traveling the state with Obama earlier this year championing the Stimulus Plan. Now, he has the unmitigated gall to be running radio ads touting himself as a fiscal conservative.
They would rather win ugly than lose on principles. As much as I hate to say it, the Dems are much smarter politicians than the GOP.
I’m keeping my registration GOP only because I live and work as an election judge in Illinois 2(Jesse Jackson Jr’s. district) and somebody needs to try to keep the elections in my area honest.
If I wasn’t an election judge I’d change to unaffiliated-because the RNC has ticked me off to no end.
I didn’t get a questionnaire either.
So I’m going to go out the the closest Hallmark store and buy a get well soon card, scratch off the get well soon part and use a big black sharpie to write drop dead you evil democrats message in it’s place and send it to them with a ‘contribution enclosed’ handwritten note on the outside.
I’m sure that they get the message and change their evil ways. I know that my card will open all of their eyes.
That’s a bold statement. Can you back it up with facts?
Yes. But, like the liberals they are, they think we don’t have enough sense to come in out of the rain.
As proof, all I need to do is point out they lost in the 2006 elections, the 2008 elections, but still endorse RINO’s now.
The Republican Party has one chance here, and that chance is to extol the values, traditions, and history that made this country great. If they are unable to do this, then the rise of a third party is almost certain. Frankly, there are too many progressives in both parties, but at least the Democrats admit they don’t care about the Constitution.
Yet she’s accused of being a GOP schill. Imagine the sort of pressure that kind of inner conflict causes.
There is a new policy at this house. We are Conservatives first, not Republicans. No more holding the nose and voting for the R candidate! If the R candidate is not conservative, no vote. It is possible that the the D Candidate could get a vote. Why die slowly, and Obama just might be the answer Conservatives need…
Rush is ripping the r’s for endorsing dede now on his show. An update from WND, the ‘pink slips’ going to the senate and house is almost 4 million now.
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What the “GOP Establishment” needs to learn is that the electoral center responds better than it “leads.”
It’s like a cat chasing its tail: the harder he tries to catch it, the more it eludes him; but if he just leaves it alone and moves forward, it follows him wherever he goes.
The biggest mistake the Republicans make is to think that they can capture the center by abandoning conservative principles and competing with the donks in what amounts to a bribery contest. This not only turns off the Republican base, it also blurs any meaningful distinction from the Corruptorcats and plays on the Corruptocrats’ home field.
In an center-right country like America, as long as the Republicans adhere to and act upon basic conservative beliefs — fiscal responsibility, individual liberty, a strong national defense, keeping taxes low, respect for life at all stages of development, etc. — the center won’t need to be chased, it will follow of its own free will and bring electoral success along with it.
None of this is rocket science; I’m no political pundit, yet even I can figure it out. Why it’s so hard for the Republican leadership to understand is an exasperating mystery.
Cain’t slip nuttin’ past you, kin we?
Soon, ya might jist figger out we don’t much like Barack Obam, Nancy Pelosi, or even YOU!
Personally, I like chap. I disagree with his politics, but he’s a likable guy.
I had an RNC rep call me the other night asking for $$$. I tried to explain my position but all I got was the “telemarketer” script in return. She wasn’t even listening, just rattling off the spiel. Stick s fork in the GOP, they’re done.
The GOP is just as clueless and brain dead as the DNC. The tea party movement started because nobody was listening to US. When it is more important to get elected than to lead; more important to have personal gain than to advance the best interest of the country; more important to tell us what to think than to listen to what we think; more important to ignore or shred the Constitution than to protect and defend the Constitution; more important to spend us into bankruptcy to get votes than to be respectful of the money they extort from us, then it is time to FIRE THEM ALL!!!
b-cat, I second your sentiment. Chap, you are wrong most of the time (IMHO) but you argue reasonably without name casting or histrionics. I’m just giving credit where due and trying to encourage other dissenters in how to dissent.
I don’t believe a word that comes out of Gingrich’s mouth or any of the so-called Republican “leadership” when they manage to get on TV. Not one red cent will they get from me when they endorse worse than RINOs (closet Democrats). I thought Michael Steele was going to be so good for the RNC – boy was I wrong!
Sounds like you were talking to a telemarketer. Companies hire telemarkerters to work for them and give them a script. The next time someone calls you about how much money you’ll save when you switch to geico, they won’t be able to explain the inner workings of geico either. This is how it works, in case you didn’t know.
Forgot – I like Chappy, too! (even if he did call me a racist in a nice way). He is good debater and stays on topic and brings good facts to the debate.
On October 22nd, 2009 at 12:37 pm, b-cat said:
Chap’s a guy???????
Michelle
The AOL email address looks like it might be a personal addy. Just a heads up in case it’s not for public consumption. (If otherwise, nevermind…)
On October 22nd, 2009 at 12:37 pm, b-cat said:
“Personally, I like chap. I disagree with his politics, but he’s a likable guy.”
That’s the rumor.
Yep, Conservatives and Republicans are not one in the same. As are Liberal and Democrat. Thank goodness.
Is the lesson learned here similar to what happen in CT with Sen Lieberman? The party base rejected him, and the result was that he won in the general?
I’m getting the strong feeling that these bozos are more interested in having a seat with an R in it than they are in holding true to conservative policies.
It is all a chess game to them, maneuvering for the sake of their own power. I will no longer be their pawn.
Not one dime. Not one vote for RINOS.
Scozzafava = “responsible and principled leaders?”
Newt was smoking something potent while he was sitting on that couch with San Fran Nan.
Newt just needs to sit down and shut up…
The issue isn’t whether Scozzafava can win. She can’t, even if Hoffman weren’t in the race. The issue is whether Republicans WANT to win. Better for a Democrat to win than a democrat.
This isn’t a “perfection being the enemy of the good” problem. This is a “Spare me the “At least Quisling isn’t as bad as Hitler” speeches, both are on the same team!” problem. There is no point electing Assistant Democrats. It is more honest to vote for the candidate with the honest packaging.
Newt hob knobbing with Sharpton and Pelosi et al, then his I am the voice of conservative reason let me lead you BS. I swear, these people in the Repub Party had to have dropped a bad tab of Acid and still in a perpetual flash back riding the Tea Cups at Disney Land.
Not one cent to the RINOS!
Huh? Everything you feel about her notwithstanding, I guarantee she would win if Hoffman weren’t in the race.
I don’t agree with chapoutier much, but he is, as far as I am aware, always polite and respectful. IMHO, he’s something of an asset to the MM community.
But one thing for sure: solicitations for donations go right to the shredder until the Republicans wise up.
Why I didn’t vote for the GOP in 2008, and have no intention of voting for them anytime soon. here
I wore “I like Ike” pins in grade school but in the last several years I’ve sent back dozens of “surveys” with corrective comments and no $$. I’ve sent a contribution to Doug Hoffman and I live in Texas.
Can you hear me now?
Ok, Chappy. Your “guarantee”? Have you looked at Scozzafava? She looks like the validictorian from Andrea Dworkin’s Finishing School for Sexually Confused Girls.
(Warning: finish your lunch before clicking on the link above.)
Chappy is really good at picking GOP candidates! He helped pick McCain too! Of course, he voted for Obama.
Chappy also guaranteed that the $787 billion stimulus would keep unemployment below 8%, Obama would rush more troops to Afghanistan to fight the “good war” and that Chicago would win the Olympics…
Chappy – urging GOP lemmings toward the cliff for years and years!
For me things are shifting way from the concept of liberal and conservative, to freedom and totalitarianism. I feel that those that are pushing the current “Liberal” agenda are not liberal but totalitarian foot soldiers because the endgame for each of their programs is total subservience to the State. These “R” or “D” labels are meaningless when the path they are pushing will have us chained up and slaving for some political overseer.
The GOP need to stop thinking people that are pushing this takeover as not their “Honored Colleges” but as some reaching for a gun to shoot us all.
No. Lieberman won because most of the Republicans backed him, along with his loyalists from the primary. That’s not gonna happen with Scuzzyfava.
The RINO party doesn’t care if we contribute or not. Haven’t you heard, they are out pacing the dems in money. How? My guess is business leaders are giving too much of their profits to the RINO’s, ergo, they could care less what we think about them.
*P-BO must have been referring to Newt when he said “Republicans do as their told”; Me, not so much; I look for strong conservative candidates across the country and send them some coin; I look out especially for those that are trying to primary a RINO out, as Chris Simcox is attempting to do with McCain; The clock is ticking on the GOP, and it won’t be long before it blows up in their face, thanks to their love affair with RINO’s like McCain, Grahamnesty, DeDe, et al.
Heck no. I’m just better than you at realizing anyone with an R after his or her name is going to win a district with this track record. That is, of course, unless the vote gets split.
Yeah, what’s not to like? Even Thomas would vote for her. As they say, “Any port in a storm!” (ralph! retch! spew!)
Actually, I kinda like Chappy, too. Unlike the other trolls here, he actually seems reasonable. I think he can be brought around to the Light Side of the Force.
I also hope he can be brought to Faith in God.
Talk no longer works as the GOP is not listening. I am sending my voter registration card to Newt’s HQ with void written across it and a letter telling him why. The only thing they respect is money and votes (power) so nothing else will work. If they clean up the party I have plenty of time to re-register. If not, I’m an independent. But I will never, ever vote for a RINO even if it means a Dem wins. Its called principles.
To what good end? A pyrrhic victory at best.
I don’t understand people’s fixation with Newt Gingrich. Maybe they don’t understand where Newt is coming from. Newt is a political “game-player”. He can sound great at times, but then he can also be the biggest sell-out because to him, politics is nothing more than a “big game”.
Newt gets up each morning and puts on whichever political “hat” he wants to wear for the day, and then goes about trying to draw attention to himself to maintain his “celebrity” status.
Underneath it all he doesn’t believe a word of what he says. People just think he does. When 5 o’clock rolls around, Newt takes off the chosen “hat” and goes back to being Newt – a person more interested in himself and furthering his personal finances.
Happy Birthday, Spaceycakes!
Don’t forget, when you blow out the (29?) candles, wish for the GOP to reclaim their Conservative Principles!
I like Chappy, too, and have learned stuff from him. I never knew Ripple was a variety of grape until reading his posts.
Returning those solicitation envelopes with a nice little NO RINOs sticky notes could be the Sounds of Silence they most fear.
I make no representations as to “what good.” I am just saying she would be a shoe in if not for Hoffman.
my question is why the “moderate centrist inclusive” republicans want the conservatives to shut up and vote? they sound just like the liberals to me. liberals take blacks, gays, latinos (legal and illegal), ex-cons, dead people, women, jews, and fat cat wall street racketeers for granted when they really only cater to unions (especially gubmint unions).
I like chappy too, but I’m sure it’s purely physical.
RNC won’t pick up the phone and the fax line is down.
I sent back my “Send Us Money Survey” with my thoughts printed in big bold sharpie. No conservatism = No $$$
On October 22nd, 2009 at 1:11 pm, Jvette said:
No need for a strong feeling, Newty says it outright right here:
Even if the Republican majority is more collectivist than the Democrats, good old fig-Newt is all for getting the big letter “R” up there.
NEWT! This isn’t football. If your NFL team is corrupt and filled with murderous, anti-freedom monsters, no big deal if they win the superbowl. But if your political party has to become that in order to win – it’s my enemy.
No I wouldn’t She’s a republican * SPIT!* and we need to defeat every republican at the ballot box, and make sure that their democrat opponents win – EVERY TIME! That’s the only way for conservatives like you and me to vote.
Joel really needs to get a life…
His latest to me
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I need a vacation ####…
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Now, now, you “loud folks” need to shut up. Don’t you know it’s unpatriotic to dissent from the party leadership?
What I think joel.tarp@comcast.net is saying is that he plans to come here and comit violence against me and/or my family. This is for the sin of me saying I didn’t care that he was on disability because it doesn’t change the facts of the healthcare debate, and that olbermann lies.
Apparantly he found out my real name (not hard) and now is promising to take a vaction…
ooooooo scary.
Somehow I am not all that worried about a guy on disablity.
Most commenters here seem to not understand it is the nature of our political system for the parties to vie for what they perceive as the center. Giving up to the enemy what you think is the true political center is never ‘principled.’ It is always just ignorant.
The problem with the GOP leadership is not that they want to try to seize the center. The problem is what they see as being the center.
Scozzafava is nowhere near the real center in America. She is nowhere near the real center in NY23. She is left of center. By supporting her, the GOP leadership is leaving the right and the center wide open for another political party to try to seize.
If the voters of NY23 wise up and realize Scozzafava has zero chance of winning, they will elect Hoffman, and the GOP leadership will have another black eye for them to rationalize away.
Sonofdy, I do not mean to unduly concern you, but many people on disability are there because of mental problems, not physical disabilities.
sonofdy, you have called the FBI haven’t you?
I cannot disagree with what you say, but could it not be argued that Hoffman would be a shoe in if Scozzafava were to drop out? As the most recent polling shows Scozzafava only has a 7 point lead, but Hoffman leads in independent votes:
This may have been mentioned already, but is it too wacked out conspiritorial to wonder if the RNC or NRCC is getting funds from some liberal source so that they continue to think that what they are representing is the correct posture? Remember the libtard extremists have more money than conservatives now, because they came by their funds cheating other people.
Might I suggest an alternative?
No.
I don’t expect to see this nutcase but I am posting here to ensure there is a record. Besides, Michelle Malkin may want to add to her nutcase file.
Yes. Absolutely. Owens is bumping up against his natural ceiling of support. For this reason, I am beginning to think he probably won’t win. The other two candidates would have to almost split exactly down the middle.
It’s been so long since this nation saw a party die, to be replaced by others, that I think we forget how to do it.
Something tells me, however, that this is precisely what is happening here.
Would the parallel be that many Democrats will back Scozzafava, along with her loyalists? Is that gonna happen? Can that happen? Ummmm, as it did with Sen Lieberman?
Thomas you forgot to say “/sarc”…There I did it for you.
No, Thomas. Real conservatives cannot bring themselves to vote for corrupt people, be they Republican or (especially) DemocRats. Just won’t fly with me. I am thinking I will register as an American Constitution Party member–see ROBm1981 COMMENTS - very astute.
As clueless as the GOP leadership seems to be right now, if a new party starts gaining real traction with conservatives, the GOP will move to conservative positions just enough to deter vital support from switching to the new party.
That is the basic politics of the two party system. It is why third parties can never get traction. 1856-1860 happened out of ignorance.
That will never happen again. As stupid as the GOP leaders seem to be, they aren’t as stupid as the slaveowners were.
The Republicans do want to win, that is why they have a candidate. The Democrats want to win, that is why they have a candidate. And, the Conservatives want to win, that is why they have a candidate.
Whether Hoffman made his case, or not, to the Republican Party to make him the Republican candidate, for whatever reason they chose Scozzafava.
Republican does not equal Conservative. Each is it’s own party, and has it’s own candidate. Moreover there are other Parties out there like Libertarians, Right to Life, etc.
What does it all mean? The rise of a truly competitive third party? Sen Liberman created his own party, and won. OK, good for him. Will the Lieberman Party of CT be successful again in CT, for other races? Across the rest of the Nation?
Should current elected individuals who are conservative (small ‘C’) abandon the Republican Party (heck, and in some cases the Democrat Party) and run as Conservative Party members? Should current elected officials (as Sen Lieberman did) create and run in a Party of their creation?
Should those people put their convictions above their Party affiliations? What would happen long term? Short term?
I agree, it is not about the ‘perfection being the enemy of the good’ or about the other thing you said.
It is about having the courage of your convictions, and saying you are a conservative and then running as the Conservative Party Candidate. That is what Hoffman is doing. Scozzafava is a Republican and not a conservative (small “C”).
FirstSkirt, Consider my alternative before you chose the American Constitution Pary.
The GOP is imploding precisely because no one is listening to taxpayers. RNC’s idiotic surveys are an insult to anyone over the age of 6. That shows how stupid they think we are. Big mistake.
THANK YOU! Rorschach…I appreciate the link and bookmarked it to my favorites. I was not aware of this, but I will investigate it completely.
Absolutely.
And I will register for the Lizard People Party (LPP-Libertarian) And I will vote LPP in every election, and NEVER vote for the corrupt republicans*SPIT!* ever again.
And yes, the democrats will love me because when I vote third party- I am ensuring that the democrats will win at the ballot box every time, because then “Divide and Conquer” will divide the conservative vote and conquer conservatives … and the only option from that action will be to give the election to the democrats – but that’s the price we must pay in order for conservatism to advance.
For democrats to win at every election.
But hey, at least I’ll feel better because I’m voting LLP. And since you will vote Constitution party, you’ll be doing the same thing as me. I embrace you, because when you and I – and everyone else here who wants to advance the cause of conservatism does as we do – then we will make sure that the conservative vote is indeed, divided and conquered.
Bless you. Keep the faith.
Hey Thomas, let’s see you argue FOR DeDe Scozzafava, or has your sarcasm got your tongue stuck in a knot?
Why would I argue for DeDe Scozzafava?
Why don’t you argue for the things you want and against the things you don’t want …. and I’ll argue against the things I don’t want and for the things I want.
… and I want the republicans to fail in order for conservatives to succeed. And if the democrats stay in office until the end of time, then so be it. At least I’m voting LPP party and feeling better about the democrats having a lock on US elections forever.
At least these traitors *shiver* republicans – *SPIT!* deserve to wither and die on the vine, because they are worse than democrats.
The notion that “principle over party” results in a “wasted vote” is so tiresome and people who genuinely vote their principles over the party won’t be swayed by such low-level, intellectually-bankrupt manipulation.
The rallying cry of “ZOMG U MUST VOTE 4 REPUBLICANS OR ELSE THE DEMOCRATS WILL WIN” isn’t particularly inspiring. I’ll be comfortable with my vote, hell or high water, and you can seethe that I didn’t vote how you wanted me to vote.
Because that’s the point of voting, isn’t it? To vote for how somebody else wants you to vote.
“ZOMG JEDDITE IF YOU DONT VOTE GRAHAM/HUCKABEE IN 2012, THAT MEANS U’LL GET ANOTHER 4 YEARS OF OBAMA/BIDEN CAN U HANDLE THAT ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG”
Yes, I can.
Thomas, voting for the rino would make no difference based on her history anyway.
So go ahead and vote for her. Just don’t be suprised when she votes with the dems 99% of the time.
Hey, sonofdy – I’m with you. I’m with you and I agree with you. I don’t want to vote for this person. Couldn’t even if I wanted to. And I don’t want to. I won’t vote for any republican *SPIT!*
I’ve seen the light.
Indeed, Jeddite, of course we should always vote principle over party.
For instance, if you believe in the sanctity of life, then you need to vote against any candidate who thinks letting a girl who has been raped murder the two day old embryo growing insider her is maybe okay.
It doesn’t matter if 80% of the voters strongly disagree with you. It’s the principle that matters.
After all, winning is not important. Feeling good about voting for a guy who believes in everything exactly the way you do is what is important.
I post this without comment.
Scozzafava is a Conservative Republican (in New York)
I think those letters expressed how I also feel about the RNC. I returned my survey and request for cash with the notation that they would not get anything from me until they ran conservative candidates, not RINO candidates.
The grassroots are speaking, and so far, the national organization seems to think the same way liberals think about voters…citizens are not smart enough to know what’s good for them.
We need candidates who have conservative values, are intelligent, and most importantly, have modicum of common sense…we don’t need or want educated idiots.
Thomas, I am with you on the general principle that a vote for the ‘third’ party is a wasted vote, but as applied to the race in NY23, you are violating the principle.
Scozzafava cannot win, so you should vote for Hoffman since he will caucus with the Republicans.
Chap, that only proves why the party is losing conservatives.
“Honey?! Have you seen the defibrillator? I think I’m having a heart attack!”
Chap, Karl Marx would be a “Conservative Republican” in NY.
Except when applying the “words have meaning” axiom, of course.
Sonofdy, is that from a comment that was on this thread?
Once upon a time there was this twerp called burner. When I called him out on his more veiled threat, he got a little too animated himself and was banned.
For those of you considering the Constitution Party: About 7-8 years ago my husband and I went to a meeting of the Illinois branch of the C.P. and were dismayed to learn that non-Christians weren’t allowed to have positions of leadership in the group. The view was that if your judgment was so flawed that you wouldn’t accept Jesus then you were “obviously” unfit for leadership. As a Christian- now in the process of joining the Catholics-who was born and raised center/right Jewish I was offended.
I don’t know if it’s just the Illinois group that holds that view-but it doesn’t matter. We’ll never vote C.P. because of it.
The LPP libertarian party will never discriminate against non-christians, or even non-lizards. All are welcome. Jews. Atheists, agnostics, even catholics…
But they don’t like presbyterians too much, sorry. Or the Larouchies.
Or anyone who voted for Ron Paul.
…. and Ross Perot. But other than that, they’re cool with just about anyone. (Not republicans, of course.) *spit.*
Thomas…stop, or you will choke on your own sarcasm. Even Roland is on board with the ‘dump DeDe’ movement here, it seems.
Sounds like a local fiefdom type thing, cubbiegal. To my thinkin’ it’s hard to go by one localized experience 7-8 years back. Something like getting cold french fries at one MacDonald’s years ago and extrapolating a blanket stance from it.
I’m neither here nor there on the Constitution Party, cubbiegal, just thinking that’s not a firm basis for outright dismissal in a global sense.
This is a raw numbers game here; are there any (census-like?) figures on just how many conservatives/libs/middle-roaders there are in the country? If “pure” conservatives lag to a sizable percent then it’s only prudent and pragmatic to bend the umbrella some to cater the flexible on the other side or else just throw the game.
James Greenidge
Queens NY