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1. #1
   On October 27th, 2009 at 11:38 am, happyscrapper said:

   I have one of those elephants and I have turned it upside down on my shelf! Ha!

2. #2
   On October 27th, 2009 at 11:41 am, 24Klady said:

   I used to be very supportive of Newt. No more. The last year or so and he’s gone off the rails. You’d never know he was once the Speaker. Actually, he is sounding more like Puglosi every day.

3. #3
   On October 27th, 2009 at 11:42 am, jangar said:

   That upside down elephant looks like it’s getting ready for some donkey love.

4. #4
   On October 27th, 2009 at 11:43 am, jjmurphy said:

   “So I say to my many conservative friends who suddenly decided whether they’re from Minnesota, or Alaska, or Texas, they know more than the upstate New York Republicans? I don’t think so,” he added.

   Last I heard, Newt isn’t from upstate NY either, so why is he shooting off his mouth?

   Keep talkin’, Newt. You’re hanging yourself.

5. #5
   On October 27th, 2009 at 11:46 am, Paul Revere said:

   Seems like that couch time with Nancy and the tour with Sharpton has gotten to Newt.

6. #6
   On October 27th, 2009 at 11:49 am, Pasadena Phil said:

   I mailed one of my RNC “surveys” back with a scrawled message, a copy of my check to Hoffman, and yet another McCain peso. You could fund the treasury of our banana republic with all the McCain and Bush pesos I’ve sent to the RNC. I hope they are saving them.

7. #7
   On October 27th, 2009 at 11:52 am, Anita said:

   Shame, Newt is running with Al Sharpton to sell his books – thro’ public library purchases as he is losing the public.

   Don’t be surprised if he accepts a job from O.

8. #8
   On October 27th, 2009 at 11:54 am, pueblo1032 said:

   I believe NEWT has completely lost his way… Someone stated that they did not think DEDE would sign on to the CONTRACT WITH AMERICA… Hell, I do not think NEWT would sign onto the CONTRACT today…

9. #9
   On October 27th, 2009 at 11:55 am, 24Klady said:

   I keep sending those I receive back from the RNC with nasty scribbles too. A couple of days later I get another one. Mr. Steele’s latest has been to mark the envelope like a past-due bill. I was so da$n mad I drove the reply to the postoffice. The only cure I know for them at this point is to register (I), because they are not listening – or too dense to change their ways.

10. #10
    On October 27th, 2009 at 11:58 am, WarEagle82 said:

    The GOP isn’t listening. They don’t care. They are living in their own little fantasy world and will until the last Republican is voted out of office. And then they will blame the conservatives they have purged from the party…

    AFTER NEARLY 30 YEARS I AM NO LONGER A REPUBLICAN! You can thank Bush 43, McCain, Newt and Michael Steele for convincing me the party is over!

11. #11
    On October 27th, 2009 at 11:58 am, Ralph Gizzip said:

    Gee Newt, nothing like doubling down on Stupid.

12. #12
    On October 27th, 2009 at 11:58 am, b-cat said:

    “This idea that we’re suddenly going to establish litmus tests and all across the country we’re going to purge the party of anybody who doesn’t agree with us 100 percent;

    I’d settle for 50% at this point. Parties used to have platforms, people picked their party by how many planks in the platform they were in agreement with. Today, there seems to be no need for parties, perhaps that is the goal. Just one big National (socialist) Party.

    that guarantees Obama’s reelection, that guarantees Pelosi as Speaker-for-life,” he told Fox News last night.

    Your brand of Republicanism, Mr. Speaker, would guarantee exactly that. Have you been paying attention?

13. #13
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:02 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    that guarantees Obama’s reelection, that guarantees Pelosi as Speaker-for-life,” he told Fox News last night.

    Did Newt not notice McCain’s misty-eyed gaze at Obama after he lost the election? Did he not notice that same gaze again when Obama thanked him at that joint session of Congress a month ago?

    How is supporting the party of Assistant Democrats going to prevent Obama from winning in 2012 again? Why should we care which party delivers that socialist agenda?

    I must be pretty dumb because I can’t follow that logic.

14. #14
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:04 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Newt’s Presidential dreams just exploded on the launch pad. Fine with me.

15. #15
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:06 pm, right_on said:

    “So I say to my many conservative friends who suddenly decided whether they’re from Minnesota, or Alaska, or Texas, they know more than the upstate New York Republicans? I don’t think so,” he added.

    Newt, Newt, Newt…as smart as he is, it hasn’t occurred to him that those outside the political agenda, people like me and you, are tired of business as usual in Washington. What’s the old saying, “a leopard cannot change it’s spots?”

    I understand the point Newt was making, but things have changed radically since he was in office. We, as a electorate majority, must addapt or die.

    Having an entrenched political committee select the persons they want to play with, despite the fact this person has the potential to do much harm, is insane. The NRCC has not done a very good job of attracting or keeping conservative candidates. To the contrary.

    I hope my conservative friends in NY-23 continue to encourage their friends to vote for conservative candidates. A reminder of where we have gotten in a very short span of time, under radical leftist control should alter anyone’s voting proclivities.

16. #16
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:07 pm, Stillwaiting said:

    Newt hasn’t changed. Newt does and says what Newt thinks is good for Newt. Or am I too cynical? How often is a preceived loss of character the result of a true change in the person versus simply the pulling back of the curtain?

17. #17
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:09 pm, carole said:

    authorized by any candidate or candidate’s committee · http://www.NRCC.org

    320 First Street SE · Washington, DC 20003
    Privacy Policy · (202) 479-7000

    NO MORE RINOS…..CRIST, SPECTER, COLLINS, SNOWE, GRAHAM, IF YOU ARE DEM.LITE…..GET OUT…….NO CASH FOR RINOS

    ASK FOR REFUND FOR BACKING AN ACORN SUPPORTER IN NY RACE. THE GOP HAS CROSSED THE LINE. ASK FOR EVERY RED CENT THAT YOU GAVE TO THEM.

18. #18
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:09 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    “So I say to my many conservative friends who suddenly decided whether they’re from Minnesota, or Alaska, or Texas, they know more than the upstate New York Republicans? I don’t think so,” he added.

    So I guess that means Scuzzyflava will be sending back the out of state donations from the NRSC.

    What a condescending piece of Republican retread he’s turning out to be.

19. #19
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:11 pm, Solo said:

    Have you been paying attention?

    He’s too busy selling his books soul.

20. #20
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:12 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    “So I say to my many conservative friends who suddenly decided whether they’re from Minnesota, or Alaska, or Texas, they know more than the upstate New York Republicans? I don’t think so,” he added.

    I didn’t realize that Newt is from upstate New York. What? Say that again? He’s not? SHUT UP NEWT!

21. #21
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:14 pm, corkie said:

    Is it possible that Newt loves all this controversy?

    Will this be viewed as Newt’s tack to the center and end up helping him overall?

22. #22
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:17 pm, corkie said:

    Overall, I have to think that the Republican Party will catch on soon.

    They’ll realize that they have to run conservatives.

    The right has proved it is willing to lose elections to force this change.

23. #23
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:17 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Scozzafava isn’t just “anybody who doesn’t agree with us 100 percent.”

    She’s an ACORN-Friendly, Big Labor-Backing, Tax-and-Spend, Margaret Sanger Award-Winning Radical in GOP Clothing — a left-wing saboteur who seeks to marginalize mainstream conservatism with conservatives’ own money.

    Brava!

24. #24
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:18 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    New York’s 23rd Congressional District lies near Canada, far to the north — but next week’s special election merits attention throughout the state country.

25. #25
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:23 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    I just got an e-mail solicitation from John Thune begging for donations to the RNC. Yeah, there was a survey. Another Newt? Same mindset in survey.

    Another RINO to cross off the list.

26. #26
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:26 pm, dan708 said:

    Keep talkin’, Newt. You’re hanging yourself.

    The thing Newt doesn’t get is that WE THE PEOPLE are trying to convince him NOT to hang himself. But he just keeps pulling the noose ever tighter…

27. #27
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:29 pm, T-Bone said:

    I saw Newt on Greta last night. He is dead wrong but I think what he was trying to say was that the Republican party needs to open up and branch out more. They need to bring in people of all persuasions and beliefs. The Big Tent Party theory.

    That is exactly what Rinos are doing. Instead of sticking to core principles, they bend and change those principles to attract those who do not subscribe to them. Unfortunately, in the end, the core principles become the principles of the Democrat Party.

    Newt can be really stupid at times and now he is caught making a stupid statement and can’t extricate himself unless he backtracks and says he made a mistake. He will not do that so he continues to sink in the quicksand of stupidity.

    Thats too bad. We need some leaders who can articulate what Republican core principles are and why they are, not leaders who subcomb to the other parties theories to attract Democrats.

    We don’t want Democrats, we want conservative Republicans.

28. #28
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:34 pm, thejim said:

    Ole Newty-Tooty is showing his true colors & interest every time he gets air time. He needs to be gone.

29. #29
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:39 pm, PCWilliams said:

    This may very well be Newt’s own Waterloo.

30. #30
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:39 pm, Ron said:

    If we’re going to purge someone, let’s purge Newt. He’s been extremely less than helpful lately. It’s really all about Newt all the time.

31. #31
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:39 pm, b-cat said:

    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:29 pm, T-Bone said:

    Agreed, T-Bone. We need people that can articulate constitutional principles and why they are our principles.

    We don’t want Democrats, we want ex-Democrats.

32. #32
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:41 pm, jangar said:

    Parties used to have platforms, people picked their party by how many planks in the platform they were in agreement with.

    Sadly, the GOP is missing so many solid planks that folks are begining to fall thru the floor!

33. #33
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:46 pm, SpeakEasy said:

    The “Big Tent Theory” is why we have Olympia Snowe and her ilk. Meanwhile, polls are showing a large majority of people in this country consider themselves conservative. This is proof the Republican Party has squandered the Reagan legacy. Pray for us Ronnie, we are going to need all the help we can get.

    Ask no quarter, give no quarter! These are truly the times that try men’s souls. Where do you stand?

34. #34
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:48 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    “This idea that we’re suddenly going to establish litmus tests and all across the country we’re going to purge the party of anybody who doesn’t agree with us 100 percent; that guarantees Obama’s reelection, that guarantees Pelosi as Speaker-for-life,” he told Fox News last night.

    Hew Newt (doesn’t compute) Gingrich!

    How’s this for a litmus test? You lie!

35. #35
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:48 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Hew = Hey (slap!)

36. #36
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:49 pm, Yankee Oppressor said:

    So you are saying the worst thing that could happen is we will get more of the same?
    Newt, you just don’t get it-
    NO THANKS!

37. #37
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:50 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    I’m getting my mords wixed a lot today for some reason. I think I need Anger Management sessions. (sigh)

38. #38
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:50 pm, AF Sarge (Ret) said:

    “So I say to my many conservative friends who suddenly decided whether they’re from Minnesota, or Alaska, or Texas, they know more than the upstate New York Republicans? I don’t think so,” he added.

    I’m thinking that Newt doesn’t have a clue on how the “republican” nominee was voted on:
    Interesting read on NY23 nomination
    Sarge

39. #39
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:51 pm, SpeakEasy said:

    Newt reminds me of your average well trained soldier in his first fire-fight. He has all the skills but when the time comes, he can’t bring himself to leave the safety of the foxhole and needs a Gunnery Sergeant to kick him in the ass. Unfortunately, he seems to be trying to shoot himself in the foot.

    Retire and stick to writing books. Your time has passed.

40. #40
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:53 pm, Cowboy said:

    Time to neuter Newt. Let his books sit on the shelf. He’s a rino like mccain, grahm, snowe, collins, et. al.

    When the Republican party closes the primaries to Republicans only so we don’t end up with another mccain and when they get back to conservative priniples, then I will support them.

    JB Williams of the Canado Free Press is looking at starting a Tea Party 527 to support conservatives. I suggest everyone read his articles.

    Cowboy, over and out. Semper Fi!

41. #41
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:54 pm, cheapseat said:

    WTF happened to newt?

42. #42
    On October 27th, 2009 at 12:55 pm, Teddy Kennedy said:

    Errah we should refer to Dede as Arlene Spector. It’s only a matter of time.

43. #43
    On October 27th, 2009 at 1:04 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    With the backing of the ACORN-allied Working Families Party, she supports Big Labor’s favorite organizing bill — card-check — as well as the federal stimulus, opposed by every House Republican

    The Working Families Party is not just allied with ACORN,
    it is allied with CPUSA - the Communist Party USA.

    Bertha Lewis is ACORN’s executive director and co-chair of the Working Families Party. It appears that Bertha Lewis was the person who called upon the CPUSA “as family” when they wanted “lots of red flags at the march…”:

    Remember the president of NY NOW telling us she wanted to see lots of red flags at the March for Women’s Lives. And the chair of ACORN and Working Families Party who called upon us as family to make our contribution known. Did we respond? YES, we responded!

    In my opinion, it appears pretty clear that Scozzafava is a Communist in Republican clothing.

    And yes, the GOP should be “purged” of Communists!

44. #44
    On October 27th, 2009 at 1:07 pm, swede said:

    T-Bone said:
    They need to bring in people of all persuasions and beliefs. The Big Tent Party theory.

    Again, the Big Tent means only one thing, the circus is in town. And Newt is just the latest clown in the Big Top, along side Steele, McCain, Snowe, Collins and the rest of the RINO Brothers Circus.

    The idea that Newt is a viable conservative candate is just plain goofy. From Nanny’s Cap and Tax couch to his most recent Scuzzyfava hoof in mouth nonsense, this man continues to prove his utter irrelevance to the conservative movement. His life’s priority now is to get in front of a camera as often as possible and stay there as long as possible.

    Newtie and Callista (whom he was having an affair with while attacking Clinton’s infidelity) will think about maybe running in ’12 if nobody else shows up? There’s the visionary leader America needs, huh.

    Newtie’s magnum opus: “Contract With America”

    Memo to Newt: Congress already has a contract with us. We call it the Constitution. A conservative would know that.

45. #45
    On October 27th, 2009 at 1:08 pm, DesertLover said:

    I didn’t know that Newt still had any friends in Minnesota, Alaska and Texas … must be able to count them on one hand …

46. #46
    On October 27th, 2009 at 1:08 pm, love2rumba said:

    Yes, Newt is coming to full circle as to what he is.. a book-hustling RINO. If George Washington did what Newt does we’d still under the British Crown.

47. #47
    On October 27th, 2009 at 1:10 pm, love2rumba said:

    BTW-I sent a similar thing to the RNC the last time they hit me up for money.

48. #48
    On October 27th, 2009 at 1:13 pm, calgirl said:

    I used to respect Newt. No longer. He is now part of the problem. He’s an elite. He’s not one of us. He has nothing but contempt for those of us who stand on principle over expedience…and he actually thinks that he might be presidential material on the Republican ticket. Ha! Methinks Newt is in for a rude awakening and a crushing defeat in the primary if he decides to run.

49. #49
    On October 27th, 2009 at 1:15 pm, love2rumba said:

    Is it possible that Newt loves all this controversy?

    Will this be viewed as Newt’s tack to the center and end up helping him overall?

    I’m certain that is what he believes, but the base is tired of being asked to support the lesser of two evils, and it is the base that decides who will or will not get the brass ring of nomination.

    The fact that the base and a number of GOP candidates are supporting Hoffman over DeDe is unprecedented, and Newt’s condescension will not go unnoticed….it would have in the past, pre-internet.

50. #50
    On October 27th, 2009 at 1:16 pm, letget said:

    Rush is talking about newt and the up coming election now. He is ripping the ‘good old boys, R’s’. He is not being kind to dede either. Rush seems to endorse Doug, which does help also.
    L

51. #51
    On October 27th, 2009 at 1:23 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Sounds as if ole’ Newt is desperately seeking Susan,importance or something.

    Hey Newt I ask too-is this your Waterloo/Little Big Horn?

52. #52
    On October 27th, 2009 at 1:27 pm, Jvette said:

    What needs to said about this woman is that she is worse than a RINO. She is a liberal progressive using the R next to her name to get elected in a conservative district.

    This just illustrates why the DOJ does not want the party affiliation letter left off the ballot. The liberal progressives are counting on people voting for that letter instead of the person whose name precedes it.

53. #53
    On October 27th, 2009 at 1:28 pm, valleygreaser said:

    We need to grow our numbers by CONVERTING people to conservatism not by compromising with the liberals. Our ideas are the right ideas. We need leaders who will argue our points and win moderates over to our side. Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin and a few (too few) others are fighting the good fight. They are not apologizing for consertive ideas and trying to meet Marxism in the middle; they are explaining why conservative ideas are the RIGHT ideas. Hopefully, Hoffman’s victory will be seen as a victory of Palinism over Newtism. And, yes I believe he will win and that Palin’s endorsement was the turning point.

54. #54
    On October 27th, 2009 at 1:33 pm, Regulus said:

    I’m not against Republicans in office holding a “liberal” position here and there, as long as they can be counted on where it matters: national security, individual freedom over government power, support of the free enterprise system, opposition of judicial activism, and so forth.

    If he or she is solid where it counts, then I can look past it when he or she goes soft on the edges. In that sense, I can understand and even go along with Gingrich’s “big tent” philosophy.

    He goes too far in the present case, though, so far as to invert it: he seems OK if a Republican is soft on the core issues as long as she gets it right on the side every now and then.

    That’s when the “big tent” turns into a circus, with a platoon of clowns like we’ve seen: Lincoln Chaffee, Jim Jeffords, Arlen Specter, Gordon Smith, Olympia Snowe, and so on. You can have 65 Republicans in the Senate with such people and still come out looking and acting like the “minority” party.

    Bottom line, the Republicans need to reclaim the conservative soul that built the party — and they need to do that soon. The longer they play footsie with RINOs the more likely it becomes that the conservative movement will fracture — and give us plurality-based donkey rule forever.

55. #55
    On October 27th, 2009 at 1:35 pm, jangar said:

    What needs to said about this woman is that she is worse than a RINO. She is a liberal progressive using the R next to her name to get elected in a conservative district.

    Perfect example of what has infected the once conservative party (with their hopes of removing the conservative platforms).

56. #56
    On October 27th, 2009 at 1:54 pm, MTNEER said:

    The county chairmen are important to any politician seeking support in primary elections. It is quite possible that Newt is trying to gain their support for a run in 2012. It is just another example of the professional politician’s dedication to process over principle.

57. #57
    On October 27th, 2009 at 2:01 pm, J S Ragman said:

    Yo Newt, shut yer’ piehole.

58. #58
    On October 27th, 2009 at 2:03 pm, Rorschach said:

    Guys, don’t send the letters back with notes that nobody will read. send them back taped to a brick. They’ll be stuck with the postage. if you are going to get their attention it needs to be in the pocketbook. make sure the person collecting the mail has to sue them for workman’s comp for all the bricks they will have to carry.

59. #59
    On October 27th, 2009 at 2:20 pm, beenthere said:

    . . . that guarantees Pelosi as Speaker-for-life,” he told Fox News last night

    That’s swift thinking, Newt. We oust Pelosi as Speaker by electing a clone of her. Why didn’t I think of that?

60. #60
    On October 27th, 2009 at 2:28 pm, Valiant said:

    It is not Scuzzy’s fault that she’s a lib. The back room GOP committee people giving her the nomination need to be called out by name.

    How about a separate post as a wall of shame?

61. #61
    On October 27th, 2009 at 2:47 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I think what he was trying to say was that the Republican party needs to open up and branch out more. They need to bring in people of all persuasions and beliefs. The Big Tent Party theory.

    More Americans identify themselves as Conservatives than any other label. The Conservative tent is the Big Tent.

62. #62
    On October 27th, 2009 at 2:49 pm, xblade said:

    That’s swift thinking, Newt. We oust Pelosi as Speaker by electing a clone of her. Why didn’t I think of that?

    That is a pretty brilliant strategy, isn’t it? Get rid of liberal democrats by electing liberal republicans, lol. What could possibly go wrong?

63. #63
    On October 27th, 2009 at 2:58 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On October 27th, 2009 at 1:16 pm, letget said:
    Rush is talking about newt and the up coming election now. He is ripping the ‘good old boys, R’s’. He is not being kind to dede either. Rush seems to endorse Doug, which does help also.
    L

    Rush is also saying we should NOT form a third party, but should work hard to fix the GOP! He thinks a third party run would be a mistake. We need to work on the GOP and let them know what we want…a steady platform of conservative values or they will lose more and more support. They are bound to get the message…hopefully well before 2012. In the meantime, we CAN change the GOP! Keep standing up to them. Rush Limbaugh is seldom wrong and I totally agree with him on this.

64. #64
    On October 27th, 2009 at 3:02 pm, Common Sense said:

    Fiscal conservatism and small government are the keys for me. You don’t support that, I don’t support you.

    I’m not so hung up on the social conservatism side, as long as the candidate isn’t too far out there.

    As for Newt, he’s morally bankrupt and I’d never vote for him, regardless of his political positions.

65. #65
    On October 27th, 2009 at 3:10 pm, Thomas said:

    Yes, Newt, the GOP should be “purged” of left-wing saboteurs

    And what should we do with the right-wing saboteurs?

    You know, the ones who are against Rush Limbaugh, who want to divide and conquer the conservative vote for their own selfish reasons that don’t help us, but hurt us because this allows the democrats … the REAL democrats to win. I’d like to know what we do with these right-wing saboteurs from within out own ranks.

66. #66
    On October 27th, 2009 at 3:31 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    The idea that people oppose Dede Scozzafava because she isn’t 100% conservative is NONSENSE! She IS 100% leftist! Newt has been “newtered” and lobotomized!

    Is this some heretofore unpublished Moliere play or something? Farce! Pure farce!

67. #67
    On October 27th, 2009 at 3:35 pm, maisy said:

    I never supported this fence jumping windbag…..How can we miss him if he won’t go away?
    He needs to go on Dancing with the Stars with Tom Delay and then POOF-Disappear!

68. #68
    On October 27th, 2009 at 3:42 pm, bjc said:

    *Government is evil and I want less of it, a whole lot less; You can’t get there with RINO’s or those to the left of them like DeDe S.; You got that Newt?; We are going to roll you come hell or high water; D.C. is broken thanks in part to wonks like you that continually put party over principle; We are going to change that; There is a Tea Party Convention in February in Nashville, headlined by Sarah Palin; Conservatism will put the people first for a change.

69. #69
    On October 27th, 2009 at 3:51 pm, conservativesRus said:

    On October 27th, 2009 at 3:10 pm, Thomas said:

    Name one Thomas.

70. #70
    On October 27th, 2009 at 4:02 pm, Thomas said:

    It’s very simple. We can either try to fix what’s broken, or we can make it worse and end up give aid and comfort to the enemy, the democrats.

    Responsible people want to fix this, and try to make sure that conservatives, as often as possible, are victorious in elections.

    And then there are others that see this as a game, who are petty and selfish and either don’t know the consequences of what their actions would be, or don’t care. A stated goal to make things better is fine, except when the evidence that is that these actions will make matters worse is clear, and these selfish individuals want to do it anyway, to make themselves feel better. They name themselves.

    It should be pretty obvious who is who. Unless you don’t know. Or don’t care.

71. #71
    On October 27th, 2009 at 4:04 pm, Roland said:

    And then there are others that see this as a game, who are petty and selfish and either don’t know the consequences of what their actions would be, or don’t care. A stated goal to make things better is fine, except when the evidence that is that these actions will make matters worse is clear, and these selfish individuals want to do it anyway, to make themselves feel better.

    Well said, Thomas. Curiously, that description also applies perfectly to the Left and the Democrats.

72. #72
    On October 27th, 2009 at 4:07 pm, conservativesRus said:

    Actually Thomas I see those who place party ahead of principle as the problem. From your comments here, unless I’ve mis-read things, I have to say that I see you as party before principle.
    You don’t treat cancer by putting band-aids on it, nurturing it, trying to coax it into being good little cells. You cut it out.
    Many of us see survival of the country as the important value. Survival of the party, not so much.

73. #73
    On October 27th, 2009 at 4:08 pm, jangar said:

    Thomas – Please clarify your definition of right-wing saboteurs so as not to give the impression that you are speaking of the right-wing conservatives who are the base of the conservative movement.

74. #74
    On October 27th, 2009 at 4:25 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Gosh, Thomas has a point. Voting for Republicans in 1994, and Bush in 2000 and 2004 and McCain in 2008 made EVERYTHING ALL BETTER!

    Newt and his gang have solved all of America’s problems so we, the people, can just merrily go about our way voting for “good conservatives” like Dede Scozzafava and Lindsey Graham and John McCain and everything will be just wonderful.

    Thanks, Thomas, for point out the error of our ways. What would we do without the LoTE crowd…

75. #75
    On October 27th, 2009 at 4:29 pm, right_on said:

    I think Newt was trying to convey the message that in order to change the system, you have to elect someone who is familiar with how the system operates.

    Um, we’ve been doing that, so it should come as no surprise that so many disagree with him on this issue. We have gotten what we deserved by listening to the NRCC…does John McCain ring a bell?

    Since Dede Scuzzifavors “knows” the system, isn’t it obvious that she would do, and say anything to get elected? That’s what politicians do nowadays, isn’t it? Plus, it has become “acceptable” for the Republican Party leadership to welcome, with arms wide open, liberals, and liberal moderates into the body Republican…all because they believe in the “big tent” approach to membership.

    How about we start looking for conservative stalwarts. If these liberal moderates are such good candidates, then let the Democrats run them. We don’t need any more traitors of principles in the GOP.

76. #76
    On October 27th, 2009 at 4:33 pm, T-Bone said:

    Fiscal issues for conservatives-Low taxes, smaller government, less regulation

    Social issues for conservatives- no entitlements, no abortion.

    Democrats find ways to exploit this by pointing out that we need to pay more taxes to help those less fortunate, that government needs to do it because they can point to many instances where people don’t do it for other people and we see suffering.

    They point how greed, discrimination, etc cause people to do bad things to the environment and to other people and needs to be regulated to keep people honest.

    They point out how bad it is to tell a women she must carry a baby to term when it is her body and she should have more freedom to choose.

    Liberals say goverment has to protect the people because people can not be fair on their own and bad things happen to good people if left to our own devices.

    They have some valid points and have made headway because of how they frame it. However, just as many bad things happen when government gets involved.

    Inequities creep in when producers must pay for non producers, when incentive to be productive is taken away, when raising taxes eliminates jobs and creates more dependency, when government says this one can have but this one can not, they discriminate and corruption runs rampant. Protecting the rights of women while killing unborn babies is NOT a “better” way.

    Creating huge government programs of entitlement that can not be paid for sound good until you run out of money. They just take from someone else to keep it going. I wish I could do all things for all people but it is impossible and impractical. They are just fooling themselves and others that government can do that. It’s a Ponzi scheme wating to crash on our heads.

    There probably is a middle ground of compromise that needs to be found but is it truly in the middle or should it be more right or more left? Current thinking has us moving more left. I would argue more right is the correct compromise. I doubt pure conservatism or pure liberalism will ever work or will ever be possible. Rinos keep making compromise but liberals never do. I will take the bad things that arise from freedom than the bad things that arise from government intervention. See the problem Newt?

77. #77
    On October 27th, 2009 at 4:36 pm, Roland said:

    Thanks, Thomas, for point out the error of our ways. What would we do without the LoTE crowd…

    Well, I was adamantly opposed to McCain in the primaries, but you guys who failed to vote to stop Obama chose to choose the GoTE.

    In your ‘real life’ where you can see the consequences up front, if you have to choose between a greater and a lesser evil, you always choose the lesser evil unless there is something wrong with your brain.

78. #78
    On October 27th, 2009 at 4:38 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    On October 27th, 2009 at 2:28 pm, Valiant said:

    The back room GOP committee people giving her the nomination need to be called out by name.

    How about a separate post as a wall of shame?

    Excellent idea!

    Let’s research the backgrounds and associations of those “Republicans” who gave Scozzafava the Republican nomination. Something is “fishy” here…

79. #79
    On October 27th, 2009 at 4:47 pm, Jvette said:

    Gee, Newt must be wondering when all these loud mouth Republicans are going to do as they’re told. All this independent thinking and making up of their own minds is just a distraction.

80. #80
    On October 27th, 2009 at 4:55 pm, T-Bone said:

    Roland, they don’t think they made a choice at all. They don’t want Lote and they ended up with Gote but they either take no responsibility for that or they think that the Gote will mess up so badly that they will ruin the liberal cause.

    I was more concerned that the Gote would entrench itself so strongly that they would never be removed in my lifetime.

    I still have those fears but the Tea Party movement has helped a lot.

    Notice how Obama still has a favorable ranking even after all his idiocy, partisanship, ineptness, and lying.

81. #81
    On October 27th, 2009 at 4:59 pm, happyscrapper said:

    You know, the ones who are against Rush Limbaugh, who want to divide and conquer the conservative vote for their own selfish reasons that don’t help us, but hurt us because this allows the democrats … the REAL democrats to win. I’d like to know what we do with these right-wing saboteurs from within out own ranks.

    Thomas…It has become obvious to many of us that there is no arguing or debating this issue with some people. They accuse us of stupidity and worse. Their way or the highway. It has become so divisive that I don’t post here very much any more. If you don’t want to form a third party, you are NOT A CONSERVATIVE. You have heard that before, right? Well, I am a complete, total conservative and have been most of my life. And I don’t believe a third party is the answer right now! And neither does Rush…that is good enough for me.

    On October 27th, 2009 at 4:07 pm, conservativesRus said:
    Actually Thomas I see those who place party ahead of principle as the problem. From your comments here, unless I’ve mis-read things, I have to say that I see you as party before principle.
    You don’t treat cancer by putting band-aids on it, nurturing it, trying to coax it into being good little cells. You cut it out.
    Many of us see survival of the country as the important value. Survival of the party, not so much.

    This is another example of a “put-down” for our opinions. Tell that to Rush Limbaugh. He disagrees with you. And I tend to agree with Rush…at least 99.5% of the time! There are a LOT of people who want to fix the broken GOP and not throw it out. That doesn’t mean they place party over principle! You can have principles and still want to save the Republican party. So please stop with the insults.

82. #82
    On October 27th, 2009 at 5:24 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Efforts to reform the GOP demonstrates the triumph of hope over experience.

    I am not quite 50 but I have learned that the two main parties really have the same agenda. It took me nearly 45 years to figure this out. And I think both parties count on this.

    If you haven’t come to this conclusion because you are a bit younger that is okay. You will figure it out eventually. But the “leaders” of both parties are counting on your faith in “hope and change” (where have you heard that mantra before) to push this nation down the road to socialism and serfdom. If the next generation takes 45 years to figure this out all our grandchildren will be slaves.

    Government must be limited or it will be tyrannical. We have 5000 years of recorded history to prove this point empirically. If you doubt this fact it is because you don’t know history.

83. #83
    On October 27th, 2009 at 5:30 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Newt’s buddy, Dede, and her friends are hard at work to reduce us to serfs. See and hear it in Bwaney Fwank’s own words…

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/10/26/frank_we_are_trying_on_every_front_to_increase_the_role_of_government.html

84. #84
    On October 27th, 2009 at 5:58 pm, rightisright said:

    As a few posters here have said they were supporters of Newt until recent years, I felt the same myself, thinking he was conservative. We have been fooled, last week on this site the topic was the Dallas push back there was a posting changing my view of Newt, realizing how fooled I been, listening to him and not looking back or in the present of what the guy was doing. Since then I’ve noticed quite a few posters have changed their opinion of the Newt as well. The Real Newt seen here.

85. #85
    On October 27th, 2009 at 6:00 pm, Speakup said:

    Newt Gingrich continues to “Alinsky” his conservative critics and hide behind straw men.

    He took to the airwaves last night to decry what he called a “purge” of the GOP by opponents of his chosen candidate, radical leftist Republican congressional candidate Dede Scozzafava, in the NY-23 special election:

    Just means more TV face time whenever he sticks us in the back.

86. #86
    On October 27th, 2009 at 6:25 pm, NeoFan said:

    I think Mr Gingrich has done us a great service here. Dede Scozzafava is not the problem. She is what she is and unashamed. Newt is an enabler and needs to be purged.

87. #87
    On October 27th, 2009 at 6:29 pm, conservativesRus said:

    On October 27th, 2009 at 4:59 pm, happyscrapper said….This is another example of a “put-down” for our opinions

    I’m sorry you felt “put down” for your opinions. Please rebut my statement rather than playing “oh poor me, he picked on my opinion”.
    I’m at a complete loss how you plan to treat the cancer in the country by trying to play nice with it. I don’t think that was how this country was founded nor do I think it will be how it will survive (if it does). Please explain how you plan to change the republican party from within. At this point in time, I don’t think they really hold any values consistent with mine. By actions, over the past 15 years, it’s become increasingly difficult to observe the differences between the parties. I honestly would prefer if the republican party would choose to become more conservative (and maybe their behavior can be coaxed that direction??) but if they don’t, I want no part in rewarding their bad behavior.

88. #88
    On October 27th, 2009 at 6:40 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On October 27th, 2009 at 5:24 pm, WarEagle82 said:
    Efforts to reform the GOP demonstrates the triumph of hope over experience.

    I am not quite 50 but I have learned that the two main parties really have the same agenda. It took me nearly 45 years to figure this out. And I think both parties count on this.

    If you haven’t come to this conclusion because you are a bit younger that is okay. You will figure it out eventually. But the “leaders” of both parties are counting on your faith in “hope and change” (where have you heard that mantra before) to push this nation down the road to socialism and serfdom. If the next generation takes 45 years to figure this out all our grandchildren will be slaves.

    Government must be limited or it will be tyrannical. We have 5000 years of recorded history to prove this point empirically. If you doubt this fact it is because you don’t know history.

    Interesting that you see NO difference between democrats and republicans. Just look at Congress today. The democrats are trying to pass a horrible health”care” bill. And there is not one single republican who supports it. If they were the same as the democrats, wouldn’t the bill pass easily? They also stopped Crap and Tax, and, last year, were able to thwart amnesty for illegals. The republicans ARE fighting as best they can. So, I see a big difference, don’t you? Are they perfect? Of course not. But they are so far better than the radical liberals we have currently in the WH that they could be our salvation. The RINO’s can be replaced. But to throw the entire republican party under the bus is just plain foolish.

    By the way, I am 67 years old and know my history very well. Government, both democrat and republican is not the answer here. I believe that change comes not just from our political parties, but from the people who work to make the changes in their own communities…in the schools, and in the homes, showing our children the right ways and how to be self sufficient. We have to stop allowing politicians to have the power over our families and communities…both on the left and on the right!! POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!

89. #89
    On October 27th, 2009 at 6:42 pm, Roland said:

    On October 27th, 2009 at 6:29 pm, conservativesRus said

    You anthropomorphize the parties. Political parties are not people. They do not have opinions. Parties are made up of people who vote in primaries.

    Taking over the Republican Party involves nothing more than entering good conservative candidates into their primaries and then winning those primaries by getting votes.

    If you cannot do even that, if you cannot get that relatively small number of votes to win the Republican primary, you certainly are not going to be able to win general elections where you will need vastly more votes.

    The reason Hoffman can take down Scozzafava is because Scozzafava wasn’t picked through a primary. She was not the first choice of the Republican voters in the district. This election is an obvious exception to the rule.

90. #90
    On October 27th, 2009 at 6:49 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On October 27th, 2009 at 6:29 pm, conservativesRus said:

    See my answer to WarEagle (831005). When I mentioned being “put down”, you maybe missed another thread where I was called names by a couple people…even called “ugly, inside and out” and ridiculed for being “old”. I was also called “not a conservative” just because I want to try and save the republican party. I am serious. So, maybe I sounded to you like I was whining. I was merely remembering some of the previous posts. I guess I need to brush that off and go on from here, but it is difficult. Your comment just seemed to be another one of those when you said we were putting party over principle just because we didn’t agree with the “third partiers”. I just take exception to that remark, that’s all.

91. #91
    On October 27th, 2009 at 6:50 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On October 27th, 2009 at 6:42 pm, Roland said: Taking over the Republican Party involves nothing more than entering good conservative candidates into their primaries and then winning those primaries by getting votes.

    Yes!

92. #92
    On October 27th, 2009 at 6:55 pm, conservativesRus said:

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    On October 27th, 2009 at 6:42 pm, Roland said:

    You anthropomorphize the parties. Political parties are not people. They do not have opinions. Parties are made up of people who vote in primaries.

    Taking over the Republican Party involves nothing more than entering good conservative candidates into their primaries and then winning those primaries by getting votes.

    Then if it’s that easy, why not take over the democrats?

93. #93
    On October 27th, 2009 at 7:07 pm, NavyMom said:

    What exactly happened to Speaker Gingrich? I am thoroughly disappointed in him.

94. #94
    On October 27th, 2009 at 7:14 pm, Blackstone said:

    On October 27th, 2009 at 6:42 pm, Roland said:

    Taking over the Republican Party involves nothing more than entering good conservative candidates into their primaries and then winning those primaries by getting votes.

    And how do you get those votes from people who insist that the “moderate” candidate has a better chance of winning the election? Perhaps by suggesting that the “moderate” might in fact lose. Sometimes that threat has to be made credible.

95. #95
    On October 27th, 2009 at 7:35 pm, T-Bone said:

    Moderate John McCain lost but he had a lot of support and the margin was close.

    When I think about the anti-Bush vote and McCains dumb move to “suspend” his campaign, white guilt, and the MSM unfair treatment of Republican v Democrat, and how they demonized not only Bush but all Republicans for the previous 8 years, the margin was really closer than it should have been.

    The moderate almost won the election. Some say the Sarah Palin pick caused the loss. I say the Sarah pick closed the gap but who knows. McCain came close.

96. #96
    On October 27th, 2009 at 7:41 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On October 27th, 2009 at 6:42 pm, Roland said:

    You anthropomorphize the parties. Political parties are not people. They do not have opinions. Parties are made up of people who vote in primaries.

    Taking over the Republican Party involves nothing more than entering good conservative candidates into their primaries and then winning those primaries by getting votes.

    On October 27th, 2009 at 6:55 pm, conservativesRus saidThen if it’s that easy, why not take over the democrats?

    Uh…huh?? What the heck are you talking about? Democrats would never vote for conservative candidates. So why would we want to take over the democrat party? Your logic is very strange…perhaps you could explain your thinking so that even an oldster like me can understand it.

97. #97
    On October 27th, 2009 at 7:44 pm, Little Ma said:

    On October 27th, 2009 at 7:14 pm, Blackstone said:

    Exactly!

    The Republican Party is not so sacred that it must be preserved at all costs. I left my church because it had become too liberal, so I have no compunctions whatsoever about leaving the GOP. I’m trying to persuade my senators and Rep. to declare themselves members of the Conservative Party. lol

98. #98
    On October 27th, 2009 at 9:21 pm, Papa Louie said:

    “So I say to my many conservative friends who suddenly decided whether they’re from Minnesota, or Alaska, or Texas, they know more than the upstate New York Republicans?”

    No, they just decided they know more than a washed-up former politician living in Virginia and a few party hacks who chose Scozzafava. The vast majority of Upstate New York Republicans have yet to weigh in on this matter. So, when they finally do get a say and elect Doug Hoffman, will do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do Newt appologize for going against the wishes of the local Republicans?

99. #99
    On October 27th, 2009 at 9:38 pm, Roland said:

    On October 27th, 2009 at 7:14 pm, Blackstone said:

    And how do you get those votes from people who insist that the “moderate” candidate has a better chance of winning the election? Perhaps by suggesting that the “moderate” might in fact lose. Sometimes that threat has to be made credible.

    Generally speaking, refusing to vote for the more conservative candidate just makes nominees try harder over time to appeal to the voters on their immediate left. It does not do what you wish it would do.

    As Republicans find easier pickings on their left instead of their right, the Left will become stronger and stronger and pass more and more laws changing the character of the country for the worse.

    Then if the frustration on the right becomes so great a third party begins to become a real possibility, the Republican nominees will just start moving back to the right, thereby undermining the new party.

    That is what Newt did to the Reform Party. Zap. No more challenge.

    The center rules in the American political system. You must appeal to the center, or you might as well go play golf.

    The mistake the Republican Party is now making is in misunderstanding where the center is, not in trying to dominate the center. Dominating the center is the correct strategy. The only winning strategy.

    The problem with Scozzafava is not that she is a moderate. She is left of center. That has created a gap on the right all the way to and including the center. Hoffman is seizing the center, not the right. He started with the right.

100. #100
     On October 27th, 2009 at 9:39 pm, serfer62 said:

     Lizard! Are you donating to Arlen yet?