Obama’s FCC, liberal churches, and the “media justice” mob
My syndicated column today (reprinted below) probes the FCC/left-wing church alliance to silence conservative critics of illegal immigration through “hate speech” regulation. Tip of the iceberg.
Jeffrey Lord at the American Spectator first broke the story of how United Church of Christ officials met with kindred spirit/FCC Commissioner Michael Copps earlier this month before launching a nationwide campaign to pressure the FCC to crack down on cable TV and talk radio figures.
The motto of the “So We Might See” anti-”hate speech” campaign is: “Without media justice, there will be no social justice!” The same Marx-loving “social justice” crowd is behind the “media justice” mob — including George Soros’s Open Society Institute, Media Democracy Fund, and Media Matters; the Ford Foundation; the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation; etc., etc., etc. Their goal: government redistribution of media wealth. As “The Media Justice Fund” put it: The movement “is grounded in the belief that social and economic justice will not be realized without the equitable redistribution and control of media and communication technologies.” And there’s that phrase “transformative change” again:
* Media change of all kinds must expose and directly confront the mechanics of structural racism and systemic oppression.
* Leaders from historically marginalized communities must be developed as effective media activists and strategic movement communicators.
* Media policy advocacy and strategic communications are more effective when clearly relevant to the primary justice issues of the movement for racial justice, economic and gender equity, and youth rights.
* Compelling communications and media activism campaigns must be both rooted in critical issues and coordinated across issue, sector, and region for national impact.
* When justice sectors strengthen communications strategies, center the use of culture as a communications tool, employ winning frames and messages, and strengthen their influence over media rules and rights, the possibilities for transformative change skyrocket.
“Transformative change” = a media landscape purged of the Right’s most powerful voices.
The White House communications shop gives two thumbs up, no doubt.
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How the FCC and liberal churches are scheming to shut you up
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2009
The war on conservative speech has moved from the White House to your neighborhood pews. Left-wing church leaders want the Federal Communications Commission to crack down on “hate speech” over cable TV and right-leaning talk radio airwaves. President Obama’s speech-stifling bureaucrats seem all too happy to oblige.
Over the past week, an outfit called “So We Might See” has conducted a nationwide fast to protest “media violence” – specifically, “anti-immigrant hate speech, which employs flawed arguments to appeal to fears rather than facts.” Their ire is currently aimed at Fox News and conservative talk show giants. But how long before they target ordinary citizens who call in to complain about the government’s systemic refusal to enforce federal sanctions on illegal alien employers or the bloody consequences of lax deportation policies?
The “interfaith coalition for media justice” is led by the United Church of Christ. Yes, that’s the same church of Obama’s race-baiting, Jew-bashing ex-pastor Jeremiah Wright. Other members include the Presbyterian News Service, the Evangelical Lutheran Church, and the National Council of Churches. (The US Conference of Catholic Bishops has denied being a part of the campaign, despite being listed as a coalition member. So has the Methodist church.) These religious liberals have partnered with the National Hispanic Media Coalition, which filed a petition in January demanding that the FCC collect data, seek public comment, and “explore options” for combating “hate speech” from staunch critics of illegal immigration.
Open-borders groups have sought to marginalize, criminalize, and demonize those of us who have raised our voices for years about lax immigration enforcement — and to impose an Orwellian Fairness Doctrine-style policy on illegal alien amnesty opponents. During the presidential campaign, the National Council of La Raza launched a “We Can Stop the Hate” project to redefine tough policy criticism from the Right as “hate.” La Raza president Janet Murguia called for TV networks to keep immigration enforcement proponents off the airwaves and argued that hate speech should not be tolerated, “even if such censorship were a violation of First Amendment rights,” according to the NYTimes.
Now, the gag-wielders have a friend in the White House – and they won’t let him forget it. Their FCC petition calling for a crackdown on illegal immigration critics cites Obama’s own words in a fall 2008 speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. Obama told his amnesty-supporting audience that he knew they were “counting on us to stop the hateful rhetoric filling the airwaves.”
Unsurprisingly, far Left billionaire George Soros’s money is backing the “So We Might See”/National Hispanic Media Coalition effort. And remember that the Soros-funded Center for American Progress has provided the Obama White House with its Fairness Doctrine-embracing “diversity czar,” Mark Lloyd.
Last week, United Church of Christ officials met privately with Obama FCC Commissioner Michael J. Copps in advance of the “So We Might See” campaign. Copps then delivered a lecture at the UCC’s Riverside Church in New York City, expressing solidarity with the liberal church leaders’ goals and egging the congregants to take action on “media reform: ”We are taking huge risks with our democracy. We need to change that and we need to do it now. We need to get a grip on what’s happening and we need to fix it.”
Jeffrey Lord, who happens to belong to the United Church of Christ, reported in the American Spectator that not long after that speech, the UCC sent out a mass e-mail to its millions of members urging them to join the nationwide fast and regulatory drive. The church-state alliance missive directed its followers: “As a participant, you will be asked to sign a petition to the Federal Communications Commission asking that it open a notice of inquiry into hate speech in the media.”
No word on when they’ll be launching an inquiry into the fear-based, fact-free “hate speech” from the mouth of Florida Democrat Rep. Alan Grayson, who accused Republicans of wanting sick patients to “die quickly,” likened health care problems to the “Holocaust,” and attacked an adviser to Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke as a “K Street whore.”
Or when they’ll be going after MSNBC and Air America radio hate-mongers who have openly wished on their airwaves for the deaths of George W. Bush, Rush Limbaugh, and Glenn Beck.
But I digress. In the age of Obama, the targets of left-wing hate speech don’t have a prayer.
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Isn’t it just peachy we elected a former doper as President?
Everyone but him is making any decisions or policy for We the People.
All lies Hopey Changey smoke and mirrors to get elected, oh, and ACORN.
What a tool, fool, nimrod, you name it he’s it. LIAR is the most accurate.
Christians are bad unless they will help you beat up on conservatives….hmmmm?
“First they came for the…and I ignored it…..” [Germany, circa 1936)
Excellent column. I think we can show them some transformational change come election day.
They’re being too aggressive with their “hate speech” labels.
The definition of hate is being diluted.
The word will soon be too cheap for them to use effectively.
From the first “hate speech” law; it has been a mistake. It is the action, not the motive that illegal. Now we are reaping those seeds against free speech.
RE ajmontana
Former doper?
I wonder if Home Depot got the obambi memo:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091027/ap_on_bi_ge/us_god_button_home_depot_4
I have tossed my tado list in the trash and am going to give my Bible a ride up and down every aisle in the local depot today
Coffee,
as well as it is okay to hate smokers
or tax the rich etc etc.
once they ( I refuse to say we ) started this slippery slope….
Unfortunately many “mainstream churches” today have become political bastions of progressive ideology. The Church of Christ leads the way but the Episcopal Church, the Methodist and many more are far more a political group than Christian believers. Watering down of Christian ideology has become the norm… supporting things like gay marriage, abortion upon demand, race reparations, and total government control in the name of ‘compassion’.
It is no surprise that these people would work with the government to control the rest of us…after all we don’t agree with them…
Heyyyy… what happened to the separation of Church and State?
Fru,
that only applies to those who know God
vs those who claim they do.
Excellent point. I think you’ve put your finger on the distinction.
I wonder if the Fore Fathers seen THIS comming?
Does thier “Hate Speech” include Stupid Politicians? Because if it does, I should start looking for a FEMA Camp to turn myself into.
Remember:
The issue isn’t the issue.
The issue is control.
That is certainly what these anti-christs are after isn’t it? We were warned about these wolves in sheep’s clothing by Christ Himself. The United Church of Christ officials and the others who lead their flock astray will have much to answer for.
Hate speech? Some Methodist congregations claim to Have Too Much Love to Hate and put up with some of the most horrendous violations of Christ’s commands. They would rather quote Jessee Jackson than GOD’s Word. But all have been warned of such apostasy-there is no excuse.
This same FCC-perhaps our 21st Century version of the Pharisees or Romans-will eventually go after the Church for Hate Speech if this stands. As the Russian Church made it’s Devils Pact with Stalin perhaps the United Church of Christ can make one with Obama. Hate Speech? Well I do hate them I must admit; I hate them for Stealing Sheep, I hate them for attacking my country, my people and my Constitution.
But when Caesar’s thugs come for me I do not plan to go quietly-that I will not do. We pray for the souls of our enemies while hammering plowblades into swords and pruning shears into spears. That Obama FCC Commissioner Michael J. Copps “So We Might See”.
The War with King George is over-the Revolution continues.
So they can marginalize other races, people have done no one any harm. Because something bad happened hundreds of years ago. That’s what they call justice.
We Anglo-Saxons were oppressed when we were invaded by the Normans. That’s how we got all those squishy Frenchy words in our language. I demand reparations!
They need a czar. May I suggest the Rev. J (GD America) Wright?
In a day where you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting a law suit over separation of church and state, I guess it just depends which side of Jesus you are on. Government’s side, or the Bible’s side?
So, all you liberals out there, why is it not okay for conservative churches to talk about issues like abortion and gay marriage, but suddenly it’s okay for liberal churches to attempt to take away the First Amendment rights of those they disagree with?
I want to know WHY is it liberal theologists get a pass on “separation of church and state” when you guys practically wet your pants if the Wal-Mart greeter utters “Merry Christmas” or a cross shows up on public land.
I have visited some liberal churches and they have very little to do with the message of the cross.
I can see the next commercial of children paraded in front of the TV decrying how wrong it is for people to have an opinion contrary to the PUPPET-OTUS.
“We want to shut :clap: you up”
I don’t have any problem with them fasting, as long as they carry it through to the logical conclusion and hire somebody to clean up the bodies.
As far as I’m concerned, those folks can go on a permanent “fast”. That might work. And by the way, why not protest against the REAL hate speech…the imams in their mosques preaching hatred of this country we live in and vowing to kill us. There is a lot of hate out there, but being against the illegal invasion of our country is not hate. We have a right to protect our sovereignty. Our freedoms have been continually threatened by these liberal creeps for years and it is time we fight them with everything we have. If we lose our freedom of speech, we lose everything.
By the way, if my church started up with all this political stuff, I would report them to the IRS. They are not allowed to do that and still get tax-free status. Report them when that happens. If enough of them are called out, maybe they will suffer some consequences.
So what exactly is the plan if they start to carry this through?
At what point is the tipping point when we face the choice between freedom and slavery? Where are we drawing the line?
How clearly are we going to draw that line? What are we as conservatives willing to do to preserve our freedoms?
I know everyone here is going to say we will vote them out at the next elecetion. All well and good, but may I remind you that this is the ACORN crowd and not above election high jinks. On that note it was the conservative media that exposed ACORN. Since it looks like the Obama administration is taking concrete steps to silence conservative media; how big of a strech is it to think that they are planning on taking steps to ensure there are no unpleasant voter surprises?
happyscrapper said:
This is a problem that started with Johnson during his campaign. Churches were on to him and he needed the votes.
I my opinion, the church of Jesus Christ has become ineffective because it has not been salt and light in a dark world, by addressing the problems in our culture today. To not speak scriptural truth about cultural problems does not shed light in this world. Today’s issues desperately need to be addressed in the pulpit, and congregations made aware of our plight.
“Congress shall make no law… abridging the freedom of speech…”
“The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”
“That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men… That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it”
The last time I looked, the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence were still valid. There isn’t a single word in there about them meaning what some unelected justices say, or a bunch of Washington bureaucrats being able to decide they don’t apply.
AKA: The Bobby Sands Memorial Diet?
“We want to shut -clap- you up” mmm mmm mmm
Obama set me free -clap- mmm mmm mmm
Nailed the honkey to da wall -clap- mmm mmm mmm
Now I s walking tall -clap- mmm mmm mmm
Obama done it all -clap- mmm mmm mmm
“We want to shut -clap- you up” mmm mmm mmm
Is that hate speech United Church of Christ?
we’re living in laodicea…
I grew up in the ELCA…and left as a teenager when I found out they were part of the NCC and WCC both of which supported communist guerilla movements around the world, and especially in africa.
these left-wing ‘christians’ are evil as hell…remember the ‘reverend’ joan brown campbell? helping send elian back to that murderer castro?
the ‘religious left’ has long been a part of the democrat party, and the entire progressive movement…william sloane coffin ring a bell?
repulsive just repulsive. reporting a church to the state authorities..
yeah, but change into what?
Dr. Jekyll = Mr. Hyde.
David Banner = The Hulk. (Hulk smash!)
Yesterday’s supper = Today’s ?????
right4life said:
happyscrapper,
Your church has constitutionally protected rights to speak about current cultural events, just as the next group. The threat of lawsuits is nothing more than to intimidate and shut up pulpits from speaking truth in these VERY dark and troubling days. Realize, now, that this is a spiritual war, and people are being carried away in wrong directions.
Well put, Southdakotaboy, when will enough be enough for what will all think but few dare say to happen, we all keep saying that will be the last straw and yet another last straw comes, and as un-american as it sounds I highly doubt we can count on elections to solve this issue.
This country has fallen baddly, just yesterday a rape happend in day-light in public by at least 20 people, and on lookers did nothing to stop it. Nothing at all. Hell food for thought it happen right next to a school! Thats not the America I once new, or maybe I was just a fool. But when will enough be enough?
Will it be when south African like policies happen to unfairly punish people based on race? Hell we all have been oppressed at some point, and to the slaver issue, whites were slaves, blacks owned slaves, blacks sold them too. And what is with all this Black community, White Community, Asian community, etc crap lately? You all bleed the same, and you all should be citizens of your nation first, then human, then your race of pick last.
Then lets not forget the USSR style health bill, or worse the plan to FORCE ALL Americans to get health insurance nevermind the fact that those without it don’t have it as they can’t afoard it. Then lets not forget the boogie man issue with guns, lets not forget the presidents attempt to draw voting districts by federal control, lets not forget the tax money that goes to outsiders like the UK, or the general apathy of his administration.
People in Kentuky freeze to death and he turns up the heat, people in America for the most can’t affoard half decent meals or are going jobless in record numbers, he eats $100 stakes, and other finer things and goes on shoping trips to buy his wife things that cost more than the average American makes in a year. And lets not forget Afghanistan, the plan now is to hold the Urban areas, thats how the soviets lost.
Honestly I don’t see much chance of elections changing anything when polititions are no longer in connection with the common people minus election time.
Hey, can someone tell me if dissent is still patriotic?
I can’t keep track.
“Last week, United Church of Christ officials met privately with Obama FCC Commissioner Michael J. Copps in advance of the “So We Might See” campaign.”
Isn’t that a problem? Isn’t that like the NEA folks and their signing people up for pro-Obama art?
These groups can’t defeat us in the arena of ideas, so they want to keep us out of the arena. To them I say: Go ahead, our ideas will still be out there. You can’t legislate thought. If we can’t present our views in public, we will infiltrate your organizations and defeat you from within.
We used to be told to be nice to everybody. People may not be able to help their size. Stop displaying skinny people that kids are killing themselves to emulate. Then we found out obesity is harmful for your health and causes greenhouse gases. Now Corzine is openly making fun of an overweight Christie and we hear nothing. How long before overweight people are overtly ridiculed and scorned the way smokers are?
I understand what you are saying, and perhaps I came across too stong there. What I was referring to was my pastor taking a political stance and spewing it out from the pulpit on Sunday. Last I heard, they could lose their tax-exempt status for that. Being socially active for good is a different thing. And speaking out about the current issue of the day is fine. But I would be very upset if our church started going all political on me and stopped preaching the gospel. As for reporting them to the IRS, I was merely spouting off. I would not report a church to the government…ever!
By the way, right4life…You already called me ugly, both inside and out on another thread. So now I will add “repulsive” to your insults. Stay classy.
There is another side to this FCC/liberal church issue. While we were sleeping, congress passed Hate Crimes legislation…tacked on to the military funding bill…that can basically shut down Leviticus and Romans from being preached in pulpits and on Christian radio. I’m almost sure that this was another topic discussed behind closed doors that is not making it to the light.
spaceycakes; dissent is only patriotic when the left is calling conservatives knuckle dragging neanderthals. dissent is not ok when senior citizens want to ask their elected representatives about the details of a health care plan that will effect them directly. didn’t you get the memo? it had the definition of hate speech, anything any white person says, versus free speech, anything any nonwhite or liberal person says.
Danger, danger, danger…liberal fascists want to shut down conservative speech, and will do it any way they can.
C’mon kids, we’re all God’s children here.
Happy, I understand your reluctance to all-out political preaching, but even Paul preached the gospel and referenced not only the Jews disdain for Christ, but also how the Roman Government was no friend of the cross either.
You might try “GOD and man reconciled-Christ Has Died Christ has RISEN Christ Will Come Again”. The Church of Jesus Christ is in no way ineffective-these Anti-Christ, servants of THE Anti-Christ make war on GOD and His sheep and THAT is what needs to be preached by those who follow Christ’s teachings.
When he obeys GOD’s law and does good we are to obey the King and his governors. When the King and his governors violate GOD’s commandments we have to tell him and Festus-No, we will not be quiet.
In America WE are the sovereign-the power is ours and we have no earthy King. The Constitution is ours and our promise made and our’s to defend; we must not let a usurper steal it from us and our children. And so we fight a two front war against the usurpers and the forces of darkness. As an American resisting the usurpers I would stand with the Deist such as Thomas Jefferson for he loved my country. Against forces of darkness we have the Whole Armour of Christ.
Hopefully we will have one more election to stop this usurpation-if not other means will be necessary. The other battle lasts until eternity.
RE: Justice
They keep using that word. I do not think it means what they think it means.
I guess, if my pastor started throwing a bunch of liberal gibberish my way every Sunday, I could go to another church. Or maybe tell him what I think of that. But I don’t think he should do it. Not when there are people who come to church to be nourished spiritually. Politics and religion can mix in certain circumstances. But I go to church to hear the word of God and to be inspired, not to hear a bunch of politics. I get enough of that during the week. Besides, if our pastor took a political stand, half his church would leave. As for his right to do it, yes, he has that right, as long as he doesn’t cross a line that loses the tax-exempt status of the church. But remember, churches ARE tax-exempt, and that imposes some limitations.
“that can basically shut down Leviticus and Romans from being preached in pulpits and on Christian radio.”
No it didn’t. Just made the potential price one has to pay for putting the Bible out there as it is for what it says as it says it a bit riskier.
It will still be preached.
Where is the separation of church and state crowd anyway?
Seems like this is tailor made for them.
Government guy meets with “Christian” church group and there is no condemnation?
but you calling me ‘nuts’ among other names is OK..right.
turning in a church to the government because of what they say is repulsive…its what happens in a communist society.
anyone who does that is ugly indeed.
Amen, Brother! Now that’s what I’m talkin about!!
Didn’t realize Leather Tuscadero was still around. Maybe she can sing for Odumbo?
I don’t blame you. This is why so many main-line denominations are losing membership in the thousands, sometime millions, for their liberal positions in culture. Heck, they even adopt worldly liberal standards for their own pulpit and congregation! But make no mistake…liberal theology is in the minority and will continue to lose members when poeple are presented with the Gospel of truth.
Wasn’t it Cecil Rhodes (Rhodes Scholarship Program) who said “We must own or control the press, because the press controls the minds of the people”?
Rhodes was a peoponent of one-world government way back when. Nothing has changed.
I can not support any “church” that is okay with the practice of abortion for birth control. Any church that does not occasionally mention the practice as sin for the benefit of the flock is, in my opinion, abdicating its responsibility.
Please refer to my post #831279 where I said, “As for reporting them to the IRS, I was merely spouting off. I would not report a church to the government…ever!”
As for calling you “nuts”, hmmm…I don’t remember actually saying that. Can you tell me where? If I did say it, it was probably because something you said actually was nuts. Is that a possibility? Don’t get me wrong…I say things that are a bit “nuts” sometimes too. So “nuts” is not really a terrible thing. “ugly” and “repulsive” is in a different category. Or don’t you see a difference? If someone calls me nuts, I laugh and sometimes agree with that assessment. But if someone calls me ugly or repulsive, I just feel creepy.
Maybe we should leave the words, “ugly”, “repulsive”, “bottom-feeding swamp creature”, etc. for the likes of RSS or other trolls. Not that I am trying to pass a law against “hate speech”. If you want to use those terms, be my guest. I can’t stop you. Instead of laws against those things, just commonse sense civility should rule.
By the way, I also call people “jerks” occasionally, when they are being, you know, JERKS!
Sorry, I didn’t intend to turn this into another whine fest. I am now done with this subject.
Speaking of trolls, where has our favorite troll (lgm) gone?
you contradict yourself from one post to the other. that thought would never cross my mind…I have left liberal churches…I don’t report them…and I have never thought of doing that.
because I disagreed with you about supporting RINOs… then you went on about how I was a communist..or like a communist…its very hard to follow you at times…and you just went off the deep end over a very minor issue. I won’t vote for RINOs…you will…doesn’t mean I want communists to take over the government.
I’m sorry you feel creepy, but writing that you are going to report a church to the IRS for what they say IS CREEPY. you don’t like communists, or communism…but that is what happens in communist countries all the time.
I think he must have been banned. I kinda wish Michelle would tell us when she kicks someone off. But I understand why she wouldn’t do that. It would be interesting to know just which of his creepy comments went over the line that he got kicked off. I can think of so many!!
O/T Alfonzo Rachel is on Laura Ingraham…GO ZO
I love him!! one ZONATION under God!!
whatever happened to the so-called “separation of church and state”…obviously, it’s “gone with the wind”….the Bible says, “God is our refuge and our strength, a very present help in trouble”…with this bunch in the White House and all of their willing accomplices in the liberal churches, we definitely need God’s help to strengthen us in these perilous times
O.K. You have to give me the link to where I said that or retract it. You do know what slander is, don’t you? I know I never called you a communist. Link please.
it was the last time we talked…and you said you were never going to respond to me again…I don’t remember the name of the thread…and I’m not going to take the time to look it up.
oh and take your ‘slander’ charge and shove it. you dingy old wacko.
I’m all for getting rid of hate speech. Let’s start with liberal Alan Grayson and his reference to women as whores and our health care system as a Nazi-based holocaust.
“crickets chirping. . . .”
yeah like you never said you’d report a church to the government…right…
get some professional help.
He has succeeded in twisting himself into a pretzel-like contortion and can not free himself.
Hey, United Church of Christ (and all of you other suppressionists), the founding fathers had a couple of good ideas when they contemplated how to deal with people that would stifle the freedom of others. They’re called the First and Second Ammendments.
I don’t like law breakers like illegal immigrants. That is not hate speech.
I don’t get it. I just don’t get it. How did we end up with people like this running the show and being taken seriously?
I just don’t get it….
Actually it’s quite simple to see how we wound up here. People are and have been willing to accept the “lessor of two evils” to hold elected office. Instead of holding out for right and principles, they accept something much less under the hope that “at least said official isn’t ____ (category to fit the situation)”.
I again come back to frogs and hot water – they won’t act to save themselves (jump out) unless the water gets hot quickly. In the same way, those who vote LOTE, and let things get “just a little bit further away from the constitution” are leaving a bigger mess to their children and grandchildren.
Did you just say I denied saying I would report a church to the government? Wow. I never denied saying that! I said I was “spouting off” and would never actually do such a thing. I didn’t deny saying it. So there again, you lied about me.
Nice
So all is not lost! But then we do have zyzzyg -I always try to say good morning to zyzzyg .
Good morning zyzzyg, sleeping in today?
New CA census data released – 15% not U.S. citizens
Total population: 36,418,499
Foreign born: 9,855,606 (27%)
U.S. CITIZENSHIP STATUS
Foreign-born population: 9,855,606
Naturalized U.S. citizen: 4,317,495
Not a U.S. citizen: 5,538,111 (15%)
Not a U.S. citizen is probably low as some would not admit that
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First they came for the McCarthy-ites, and we said nothing. Then they came for the white supremacists, and we looked the other way. Then they came for those against sharia, homosexuality, anti-Semetism, big government, religious persecution, illegal immigration, spreading the wealth, etc. and we had no leg to stand on.
yeah just like you were ‘spouting off’ about me being a communist.
so you said you would report a church to the governemnt…then you say ‘oh of course I’d NEVER do that’
right.
get some help.
The leftists were constantly saying that George W. Bush was a fascist who wanted to silence them.
That was classic leftist projection. The truth is the exact opposite…
It is not us who want to silence them,
it is they who want to silence us!
In case no one else has said this:
don’t forget about the hate speech towards yourself, Michelle! For instance, the last nasty thing that Olbermann said about you.
Actually we do have a leg to stand on and its called the Second Amendment and that there are far more gun owners than there are liberals. The proof is in the pudding when you see stores having problems stocking ammunition because people are afraid of their government (and with good reason!)
GSP
“Dissent is Patriotic-hrc”
Michelle, I’ve been wondering when you would start reporting on these liberal churches banding together with “The State”/FCC to ban free speech. I am very glad to see your excellent column today.
I’ve been following this subject for the past few weeks with intense interest. Leftists appear to have infiltrated the national leaderships of several denominations, unbeknownst to the people in the pews, and are using their “bully pulpit” to subvert Biblical principles everywhere they can get away with it.
The ELCA voted to allow gay clergy a couple of months ago. They are also a part of this “FCC/hate speech” nonsense about which you have written. The UCC in America is obviously an extreme Leftist organization, and the Episcopalians have been on the “gay clergy/gay bipshop” boat for quite awhile now. The Catholic Church in America is all about “sanctuary” for illegals, and I’ve read where the Presbyterian Church of the USA is strongly in favor of gun control and handgun bans. As far as the Unitarian Universalists go, just what/who is it that they worship, anyway? Themselves and/or each other?
Folks, it’s as simple as this. If you are a member of any church, research what your church stands for and financially supports. Research what the national organization of your church stands for and financially supports. Delve into the “politics” of these organizations, because your tithes and offerings may very well be going to support political views that are the polar opposite of what you believe. Ask yourself if your church is supporting Biblical/Scriptural [Godly] principles, or if your church is following the “world’s way” of doing things. If you find that you are funding, through your financial support of the church, the promotion of homosexuality or the banning of our Constitutionally protected freedoms, is that where you want your money to be used?
As for me, I will not attend or support a church that doesn’t follow the Bible. I don’t want to be where God is not…
thanks cheapseat. That clarifies it a bit….
“I think he must have been banned.”
Why would lgm have been banned. I disagree with almost everything lgm posts but he doesn’t violate the rules. At least I’ve never seen anything in his posts that would warrant banning.
We’re not Daily Kos here…. Just because someone is on the “other side” does not mean their posts get deleted nor that they get banned. The left does that, not us.
Dammit! Now you did it!
(singing in my head) “I love rock ‘n roll, so put another dime in the jukebox baby!…”
R4L, this is really uncalled for. This definitely crosses a line.
Rouge: Didn’t Leather Toscadero perform another song on Happy Days?
Hi, Kingfish.
*blush*
I love the way this administration talks out of both sides of its mouth. It is difficult to redistribute wealth when wealth is being destroyed or punished. Controlling salaries means lower taxes collect. Higher taxes means less incentive to make money. We have a bunch of dopes who can not create wealth deciding who gets the wealth the rest of us have created. They can’t take it from us if we don’t make in the first place. Churches should just stay out of it. An institution base upon collecting money from generous congregants should not get involved in supporting the gov spreading the wealth, because there just might not be enough left to continue to support these churches.
Well, it was just a guess. Why else is he MIA? I don’t know. Maybe he is just tired of us. Whatever. I don’t miss him.
Look what I just found!
http://sowemightspeak.blogspot.com/
“Media justice” is just a variation on the “Social justice” theme, and
“Social justice” is really just Marxism wrapped in “Christian” clothing.
The United Church of Christ (UCC) is a member of the World Council of Churches (WCC). And the Communists have infiltrated the WCC…
HBO has decided that urinating on Jesus is “playful” now. Larry David must have thought it real funny to do that. Of course, urinating on the Koran or Buddah would have provoked outrage from the left. Desecrating Christianity is funny now.
Hijacking Jesus for personal gain only buys you a one-way ticket to hell.
(That’ll get ‘em all in a tizzy!)
Slightly O/T:
I’m sitting here watching FOX news. The damage has now been done. Obama is giving yet another speech, giddy and excited to sign a ‘defense spending bill’.
Now I ask you…when was the last time a Democrat got giddy over signing defense spending?
And you want to know why? Stuck in with this spending bill is an instrument that he promised homosexuals many moons ago that he would be their champion.
The Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Bill is now law. Gird your loins folks, the Bible is almost outlawed.
This president is no Christian, and shame on anyone who actually believed that lie prior to last year’s election. He is the enemy to free people, everywhere.
Afternoon everybody. I don’t know about you all, but they lost me at; “The movement is grounded in the belief that social and economic justice will not be realized without the equitable redistribution and control of media and communication technologies.”
In plain un-Vulcan English, that means they plan to steal control of the media for their own propaganda purposes.
Maybe we’ll get a great big “Amen” from Valerie Jarrett, but the rest of us should be screaming Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
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I was baptized in the Episcopal Church when I was 11 years old in 1952–and confirmed a year later. My church then was very similar to the Catholic Church–without the Pope as a church “general” controlling most church actions in a military style “chain of command”.
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The old church taught good Bible based values–respect for God, for all persons, for our country when it was right. It taught “hate the sin–love the sinner”.
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Now my national church has been taken over by Saul Alinsky style liberal activists–both lay and ordained persons. Man’s ideas are rapidly replacing God’s laws–acceptance of the Gay, Illegal Alien Amnesty, and Abortion agendas are being presented to us.
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A Martin Luther style division of the church is in progress. Many congregations have left–without the church property–and are forming small early Christian type communities.
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Some large churches paid millions to the national church and kept their property–and now call themselves Anglican Churches. They try to follow the traditional Christian values–not hate, but following the Bible rules.
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My Bishop bailed out and joined the Catholic Church. Ditto for many good fellow church members. I will leave if and when these “liberal” policies come to my congregation.
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When I retired I re-read the Bible cover to cover. God’s laws and his wisdom for our health and happiness do not change. “I AM THE LORD–I CHANGE NOT”. And like Joshua said, “CHOOSE THIS DAY WHOM YOU WILL SERVE. AS FOR ME AND MY FAMILY–WE WILL FOLLOW THE LORD”.
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John Bibb
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Ask your pastor “are we affiliated with the UCC?” Many churches are without having “church of Christ” in the name.
If you are, perhaps you should sit down with the pastor and discuss how you plan on changing your donations until you see a change here.
The separation of church and state cuts both ways. If your church is stupid enough to cross the line and become overtly political, you MUST make it known that you will modify your behaviors for political reasons.
And don’t just leave this with your pastor. Let them know that you are sending a letter upstream, directly to the UCC, expressing your disgust and your boycott of the plate until they shut up, sit down, and get back to work as a RELIGIOUS organization.
He might be busy explaining to his math class how going further into debt reduces the deficit.
Or busy parading in his rainbow suit in DC.
Interesting how only conservative Christians are regarded as intolerant, whacked-out crackpots who pray to a sky god.
yeah whatever.
when you call me a liar, expect me to push back.
and why are you butting in? are you the same person from that other thread…so ‘holier than thou’?? I don’t even remember who it was….but they were annoying.
“Jesus for personal gain”
I accepted Christ for personal gain. You betcha…..
Didn’t you?
Does the UCC’s private meeting with the head of the FCC consitituet LOBBYING? The UCC is tax exempt, but if it is LoBBYING, it is in violation of the law for a tax exempt organization.
Might have been me.
I’m just standing up for happy. Us old broads have to look out for each other. ;o)
Off topic, but it looks like there will be justice for that young couple in Tennessee tortured and murdered by a thug for totally non-racial reasons I’m sure:
http://m.knoxnews.com/news/2009/oct/28/torture-slayings-trial-day-9-jurors-ask-replay-dav/
I am a member of a UCC Church. I have not given blanket donations in years, because that money can go to the UCC. I have given donations for specific areas, such as paying the electric bill, etc.
A few years ago thier was a attempt to get remove the Church form the UCC for similar reasons, but it failed.
I see many large non-demonational churches drawing thousands of people each week, sometimes on multiple sites and more on-line and these left wing UCC church’s seem to be having problems maintain members.
I found the UCCTruths blog recently, it hasn’t been updated in a while but has some good info on it.