The 1,900-page House health care bill: Get cracking!
It’s arrived. Arising from the vapor, the House health care bill weighs in this morning at 1,900 pages.
Download it here and do the legislative reading most congressional representatives won’t do.
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And the starting cost for what Nancy Pelosi is billing an “affordable health care plan for America?”
$894 billion — paid for, of course, on the generational theft installment plan.
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From what I have read so far and reading what others have said about wha in this waste of paper. This Clown Sow in washington is hell bent on destroying this country and every principle it was founded on.
A 1900 page suicide note by the Democrat Party.
Laughable. Coming from idiots who can’t manage the distribution of flu shots. ROFLMAO …….
I thought you made a spelling error (as in Show) but on further reflection, I was clearly mistaken.
Ann Coulter- my second favorite female conservative pundit.
“Opt Out” is a sham
one thousand nine hundred pages.
Holy f$%king shhite…
I still have friends that hasn’t been from the new GI Bill.
Laughable indeed.
1,990 pages to be exact. To their credit, I searched for placehold and place hold. Couldn’t find a single instance.
Ought to be a good cure for insomnia.
Bookeater: (buuurrrrppp!) Anybody got some Tums?
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No way I’m going to download this piece of C**P on my computer yet. There are too many last minute “perks”, “bacon”, “set asides”, “payoffs”, etc. still to be put in yet during the RECONCILIATION PROCESS.
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My guess is that another 500 pages will be put in at 3 AM one fine night. The 51 votes will be present at 6 AM, and the final congressional vote will be at 9 AM–followed by the victory (for the commies) celebrations in the Beltway.
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We are so SC***ED! Vote them out in 2010–and the horse (President Obama) they rode in on also.
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John Bibb
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Heck, Stephen King’s ‘The Stand’ was only 1200 pages! Come to think of it, the old good vs evil plotline is about the same.
Congressman Flake of Arizona- one of the good guys…
On his reason for voting against a bill to honor the 2560th birthday of Confucious…
Is that 1900 pages of bookmarks for future language?
RedDog said:
Nope not a slip lol — My whole question is – whi wrote this or more to th point, who hada hand in writing this? The same people that wrote the Pork Bill?
A quick look seems to give Indians the right to go to VA facilities.
At $24,000 per car the cash for clunkers was a smashing success at wasting taxpayer monoey, should have held a rafel and gave cars away, like the old Soviet Union used to do.
Does anyone think the new crap sandwich is any better than the old crap sandwich?
Government rationed healthcare, let Congress and federal employees try it out first.
Are they sure that was Abdullah, and not Pelosi, speaking?
Where’s that photograph of the “Do Not Want” dog when you need him? Superimpose a pic of a stack of useless paper and Pelosi’s image in the lower corner, with DO NOT WANT! boldly across the top and you’ll have a fine piece of anti-Dem propaganda to print in poster form!
The monster that will eat America is getting larger. He must be snaking on something from the Congress dumpster.
do a search on “commissioner may”
The placeholders are there, just reworded.
I am trusting/praying for bloggers to do the work the MSM won’t do, and find loopholes to prevent this boondoggle from seeing daylight come July 2010.
We are in a recession, and this bill could not possibly come in a worse economic environment.
Other than the imaginary and magic Obama funds from his stash, ’cause he is the Prez (as a Obammy fan in Chicago so famously stated), just where do they think they will find the funding to pay for this trillion dollar mistake? I know, they will cut back on military funding and raise taxes!The true cost will be the best healthcare in the world: priceless. Socialism, baby.
Alinsky Rules for this bill:
1. Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.
2. Never go outside the experience of your people.
3. Whenever possible, go outside of the experience of the enemy.
4. Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.
5. Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.
6. A good tactic is one that your people enjoy.
7. A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.
8. Keep the pressure on with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.
9. The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.
10. The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.
11. If you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through into its counterside. 12. The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.
13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.
The tax for not having health insurance is 2.5%
The tax for not insuring your employees is 8% or less depending on how big your pay roll is. The fewer people you hire, the less the tax rate.
You get a 2 year tax credit if you insure your people.
The premiums for the public option are based on the private options. So if they go up 300%, so will the public option.
Under this plan, it is cheapest and easyest for small business to not pay for thier employees health insurance.
BTW that 2 year tax credit does not apply to anyone making more than 80,000.
You be screwed.
Just a reminder that our government is not a “Democracy”,
it is a “Constitutional Republic”.
The only part of our government that the Constitution explicitly established as a representative Democracy is the House of Representatives. It is the only part of our government where you can’t be appointed to the position, and MUST be elected by the people. We’ve had Senators, and even one President (Ford) who were appointed, and not elected.
The rules of the house are that of a Democracy: majority rules. And we have seen what has happened ever since the Democratic Socialists won a majority in 2006 and Pelosi became Speaker. The abuses we have seen in the House reveal how easily a pure Democracy can be overtaken by a small majority and then driven into the ground.
Our Founders were brilliant (and I believe divinely inspired) to make Senators elected by the State legislatures and not the general populace. I think the 17th Amendment was a HUGE mistake, and should be repealed, just as the 18th Amendment was.
Our Founders were brilliant (and I believe divinely inspired) to make the President and Vice-President elected by the Electoral College and not the general populace. I think it is a huge mistake for the individual states to select Electoral College Electors by popular vote for a particular candidate pair.
The Democratic Socialists hate our Constitutional Republic. They seek every means possible to turn our Republic into a pure Democracy, because they know they can take more power, faster, if we ignore the Constitution and the “rule of law” and only head “the will of the voters” and allow “the rule of the majority” (a.k.a. “mob rule”) to dominate.
Which brings me to this 1,900 page “Health Care” bill. Republicans, alone, are powerless to stop this in the House, because the minority has no power in the House. It will only be with the help of “Blue Dog” Democrats that the Republicans will have any hope of gaining a majority of votes in the House to stop this bill there.
Assuming this passes in the House, we move to the Senate. Thank God our Senate is not a “Democracy”. But, of course, Harry Reid wants to use the “reconciliation” process to turn it into one! Which brings me to my final question… what would it take for Republican Senators to force that the entire bill be read out loud before it is voted upon? To the best of my knowledge, bills are supposed to be read out loud, and it is only by suspending the rules (which unfortunately is the norm, rather than the exception) that bills are voted upon without having been read out loud.
Final note: For those who criticize me when I link to one of my own blog posts, do you prefer a long comment like this, or a link to the same text on my own blog?
“Only” 1,900 pages, gee, that’s great!
That isn’t the only thing they can’t manage. I work as an insurance biller for the Military in their 3rd party collection program. Right now we can not bill anything as they have not loaded up the new rates for fiscal year 2010 (which started the first of October). This is my first year on the job, but talking to other workers they have told me this is the norm. They told me that they usually do not see the new rates until sometime in December. In other words we probably will not send any bills out till December, a full two months after the new fiscal year started. Imagine if a private sector business tried that…they would be bankrupt in no time flat as they would loose all their clients.
Page 26 HHHMMM seems like rationing to me!!!!! Liars
INSUFFICIENT FUNDS.—If the Secretary
estimates for any fiscal year that the aggregate amounts available for payment of expenses of the high-risk pool will be less than the amount of the expenses, the Secretary shall make such adjustments as are necessary to eliminate such deficit, including reducing benefits, increasing premiums, or establishing waiting lists.
The original 1200 pages made for great news fodder. Me thinks that perhaps some in Congress are doing this massive page increase on purpose to give love to the base, but ultimately get the bill kicked to the curb.
At lease I hope that’s the case.
See! She told us it would cost less than $900 billion!
What does that work out to? $470 million per page?
By my calculator, that’s a bargain price of $449,246,231 per page. The oppression and loss of freedom are a free bonus.
Exactly.
In addition to generating a blizzard of pages to daunt any attempt at reading the proposal, the donks will also thwart the efforts of those who try by constantly morphing and shifting the specifics until the last minute — all while adding more and more pages.
Here are the Cliff Notes for any donkey “health care” legislation: don’t read the paperwork, listen to their claims and read between the lines:
- “We won’t cover illegal aliens” = Illegal aliens will be covered.
- “This will reduce the deficit” = This is going to cost at least five times what they say it will.
- “Only the rich will have to pay more” = If you own an alarm clock, then welcome to the ranks of “the rich” (and if you wake up to said alarm clock then you’re the “filthy rich”).
- “Abortions won’t be paid for” = late term abortions will be covered.
- “You’ll get to keep your existing plan if you want to” = Until they destroy the private insurance system, then you’ll have nowhere else to go.
- “States can opt out” = Only if they can meet so many conditions as to make it impossible to opt out.
- “We won’t cut Medicare” = A bald-faced lie.
- “This will benefit all Americans” = Trial lawyers, the AARP, big pharma and labor unions are “all Americans.”
Trust me. These people are donks. You don’t need to read the manual to understand exactly how they work.
Like the cost figures, the page count totals themselves have now ascended into the realm of meaningless numbers. Would it make any difference if the bill was 19,900 pages long? Can’t see that it would. It could be a thousand times longer than that and the democrat leadership wouldn’t even blink.
From page 976:
Then it goes on for two or three pages mandating programs, guidelines, compliance, training, reports, blah, blah, blah… to ensure this happens.
Now we can rest assured that that $400 billion dollars of waste, fraud and abuse (WFA) will be found. Says so right there. And to think everybody here had doubts about the Dems sincerity on this issue.
I haven’t found the part that covers punishment (execution or exile) for saboteurs, wreckers and enemies of the people that do not report the required amount of WFA but I’m sure it’s in there somewhere.
Idiot in chief on tv how it will benefit small businesses…….LMAO on pg 54 all businesses MUST continue benefits to retirees! HHHHMMMM isn’t that what the unions do and it broke the back of GM????!!!! Absolute destruction os industry and smal business
I don’t see this health care issue as being all that complicated. Basically there are three problems…
1) Costs have gotten out of hand.
2) Some people don’t have access.
3) Insurance companies can be a pain to deal with.
So, what’s congresses answer? 2000 page bills worth a trillion dollars.
Oh, and that $3500 Cash for Clunkers program only cost taxpayers $24,000 per car!
Any price tag Congress puts on their legislation is always off by a huge factor. We’re screwed.
The sad thing about this is that the perpetraitors (I’m such a punster) of this disastor will likely be long gone (and retired into luxury) before the worst of the financial calamity hits. They believe they will never be held accountable. My hope is that they are ultimately brought to justice one day.
This exemplifies the Alinsky technique of gradualism. Obama and the congressional Marxists will be content to get 50% of this abortion, knowing that the rest will come in time… as the country and resolve of the people gradually disintegrates.
I’m sure House members will have thoroughly digested this road kill by the time they are forced to vote, right?
a bill of this size is DESIGNED to confuse, obfuscate and lie. when it is implemented it will be, “well i didn’t vote for that.”
Not trying to make a joke — I am actually now physically sick after reading about this bill – just ABOUT it. I fear that actually reading the bill could end with me in the ER.
Exactly.
This is a disaster for all businesses, small and large. The government is dictating exactly what percentage of the premium must be paid by businesses (72% individual, 65% families) and stating that businesses may not reduce pay to make up the difference. This is a job killer, developed by people who have a passionate hatred for the citizens of this country.
Quick scan of bill (I started from last page, to see what was up with the added pages to the 1500 page bill!). Much of this bill is for Medicare and Medicaid “improvements” and prevention of fraud…they haven’t been managing that so well, so why does another level of govenment improve this?
I get the idea that Pelosi and friends want to pass “something” to show their supporters that they care. Much of this bbill appears redundant and a waste of paper and ink.
Also, many grants and “ideas” for improvment of health care, and prevention, which are already in place in this country (such as the WIC program for Women and Children). Much of this bill is regurgitation of what is already law.
Quick scans of what stood out to me:
1) The last 360 pages or so are directed at “Indian Health” provisions.
2)Control of calories in vending machines??? page 1515
3) Control of children’s menus: page 1514
4) Buffet calories must be posted???: page 1513
5) National medical device registry: page 1502 (I am wondering if the government will, like Canada and the UK, restrict per capita MRI machines and competition?). See also “controlling standards for medical and diagnosis equipment: page 1634.
6) Pain Management: page 1491 (will this lead to restrictions of how doctors practice, and/or what is prescribed?).
7) Community based overweight and obesity prevention program: page 1457
8)Infant mortality pilot program: page 1433—uh, been there, done that USA!
9)Management of chronic diseases: page 1412- Been there, done that USA in our hospitals!
10) Teen pregnancy: page 1398- redundant
11) Evaluation of best practices, page 1323. Been there, done that in USA hospitals!
12) Prevention “task force” page: 1291
Yet another new bureaucracy czar?
13)The online website boondoggle shall be in “English” and the “second most prevalent language spoken based on the latest census information.” In other words, to make it more expensive, it will be available in Spanish:page 1628
14) Which brings us to the payment of translation or interpretation services in the medical world by illegals who don’t speak English: page 1061
15) Personal care attendant workforce panel. New bureaucaracy level of buffoons to decide what kind of care grandma can have at home: page: 1624
16) Applying for “biologics” drugs such as Humulin (diabetes), Procrit(used in conjuction with cancer therapies), and, Avonex (Multiple Sclerosis). My question: are they going to select who can have these drugs in spite of a MD order? Is the government going to force this treatment to save money on prescription drugs. Sorry, just don’t trust this as Hatch, Kennedy and Hillary Clinton cooked it up. Google, if interested:
HATCH, ENZI: BIOSIMILAR BILL WILL REDUCE PRESCRIPTION DRUG COSTS
Anybody catch the scope listed under THE BILL?
“To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce the growth in health care spending, and for other purposes.“
What’s the carbon foot print for this legislation?
I am responsible for the care and protection of myself and my family. Period. End of discussion.
Scozzafazza read that one?
How big is the bill? Even bigger than you think:
The scariest part that I have read so far is in the first sentence “…and for other purposes.”
Shudder!!!
How will this bill help the economy and jobs? It won’t, and will make it worse, and here is an example:
Medical device makers also took a hit, with a 2.5 percent excise tax on sales of their products that is reported to cost the industry $20 billion over the next decade. A $40 billion fee on those businesses was included in a Senate Finance Committee-approved version of the legislation, but Reid is considering cutting it by as much as half. Link.
Oh how I pray for a “Do Nothing Congress”.
“HATCH, ENZI: BIOSIMILAR BILL WILL REDUCE PRESCRIPTION DRUG COSTS”
You haven’t heard? All prescription drugs for the Fly Over will be replaced by All Purpose Capsules containing 50mg of aspirin-refills containing hemlock. It is called the Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis Vlad Daschel Plan. Glad you asked.
there is tranparency as indicated in teh first line of the bill….
“To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce
the growth in health care spending, and for other purposes.
reading 1900 pages required to find our what the “other purposes” are of course
If you do go to the ER, they will just add you to the numbers of swine flu they are exagerating.
Under SEC. 1222. DEMONSTRATION TO PROMOTE ACCESS FOR MEDICARE BENEFICIARIES WITH LIMITED ENGLISH PROFICIENCY BY PROVIDING REIMBURSEMENT FOR CULTURALLY AND LINGUISTICALLY APPROPRIATE SERVICES.:
Meanwhile, under ‘‘SEC. 399V. GRANTS TO PROMOTE POSITIVE HEALTH BEHAVIORS AND OUTCOMES.:
So preferences are to be provided to “community organizations” in dealing with populations with limited English skills, and a “community setting” can be a “community organization” in the participant’s neighborhood.
Who certifies and oversees these “community organizations?” Not a word about that that I see. Call me paranoid or even racist, but it seems to me these provisions are just begging to be abused.
getting rid of congress et all would be a boon to our health in general…it certainly would keep our collective blood pressure far lower….thus leading to less heart attacks and stroke….
Sorry, I posted this on another thread, meant to do it on this one.. Was in too much of a hurry..
So check out this provision in Pelosi’s Bill.. I’ve been reading it for about 1 & a 1/2 hours. They are so concerned about “Health Care” that they put money from Penalties back in the “General Treasury” receipts (fund), so that they can use it for whatever they want.. Why not put it back into the “HealthCare” system they are touting? This is the Social Security/Medicare debacle/fraud redux.. Just a way to extort money & grow the Government.. Check out the part in Bold below..
‘‘(iii) OVERALL LIMITATION FOR UN2
INTENTIONAL FAILURES.—In the case of
3 failures which are due to reasonable cause
4 and not to willful neglect, the penalty assessed under subparagraph (A) for failures
6 during any 1-year period shall not exceed
7 the amount equal to the lesser of—
8 ‘‘(I) 10 percent of the aggregate
9 amount paid or incurred by the em
10
ployer (or predecessor employer) dur11
ing the preceding 1-year period for
12 group health plans, or
13 ‘‘(II) $500,000.
14 ‘‘(D) ADVANCE NOTIFICATION OF FAILURE
15 PRIOR TO ASSESSMENT.—Before a reasonable
16 time prior to the assessment of any penalty
17 under this paragraph with respect to any failure
18 by an employer, the Secretary shall inform the
19 employer in writing of such failure and shall
20 provide the employer information regarding ef21
forts and procedures which may be undertaken
22 by the employer to correct such failure.
23 ‘‘(E) COORDINATION WITH EXCISE TAX.—
24 Under regulations prescribed in accordance
25 with section 424 of the , the Secretary and the
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1 Secretary of the Treasury shall coordinate the
2 assessment of penalties under this section in
3 connection with failures to satisfy health cov4
erage participation requirements with the impo5
sition of excise taxes on such failures under sec6
tion 4980H(b) of the Internal Revenue Code of
7 1986 so as to avoid duplication of penalties
8 with respect to such failures.
9 ‘‘(F) DEPOSIT OF PENALTY COLLECTED.—
10 Any amount of penalty collected under this
11 paragraph shall be deposited as miscellaneous
12 receipts in the Treasury of the United States.’’.
Read it here, & pass the link on:
http://health.burgess.house.gov/UploadedFiles/House_HCR_bill.pdf
Thank you, Dan Lee.
Also, thank you, Tom B. This bill is boondoggle bureaucratic bullsh!++ at its finest, to confuse,to overwhelm, and to, as Alinsky recommends,
push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through into its counterside. Afterall, we will be “racist” if we disagree.
Who, after all, wants to really read 1900 pages of Congressional legal-nese mumbojumbo? You got it, not the average citizen who has better things to do. I can only hope the GOP sees lots of errors and red flags, as this citizen does.
May God bless this great nation of ours, and give our true leaders the discernment to fight socialism,which is what this bill promotes.
creative accounting 101…this will go into the general fund for pork barrel projects…guaranteed….
oops my bad…
After a quick skim thru the 1900 page monstrosity I have come to two conclusions. No one can understand this bill in it’s entirety. Never mind the hundreds or thousand of pages that they will likely try to tack on.
Secondly, it is not about health care. It as about complete government control over every aspect of your life. what you are allowed to eat, how you will get care and how much you can get based on funds and the persons risk, which they claim Big Insurance did.
In the software world (where I try to make a living in between being angry at the government) we call it “spaghetti code.” It refers to ancient code that no one really knows how it works anymore anyway, and anyone can change anything so everything is subject to unexpected behavior. Here’s my health care plan:
1 Save some money while you’re young and healthy. You can use it or not for health-related expenses whenever you wish, it earns interest when you don’t use it.
2 If you become sick before you have enough saved to pay for it, you can borrow against future payments to your account at no penalty to your credit rating.
3 Everyone pays a certain amount, based on ability to pay and known risk factors, into a general fund that disburses payments to any creditors under (2) who suffer a loss because the debtor is unable to pay because of death or complete disability.
4 The amount collected in (3) for any fiscal year may not exceed the total disbursments plus administrative expenses. Any excess is returned, pro-rated, to the payors. Any shortfalls are covered by short-term borrowing, preferably from accounts established under (1), to be repaid the following fiscal year in their entirety.
5 Anything you have left in your account established in (1) is part of your estate and passes to your heirs, after payment of any debts accumulated under (2).
Imperfect, but not spaghetti code.
Lou Dobbs is currently stating facts on how Medicare and Medicaid will be cut. This bill is a joke.
Also, I watch FOX, but would rather have eyeball extracted without anesthesia (in the Healthcare Reform bill to save money) than to watch Shep Smith.
If every representative prints off one copy, 865,650 sheets of copy paper will have been used (assuming one-side copy).
I’m not a treehugger, but I wonder how many trees equal 865,650 sheets of paper.
Starting on page 1428 is the definition of “Community Health Worker”.
NOTHING in this definition requires ANY level of education. In fact, a pre-schooler will qualify as a “Community Health Worker”. And ‘advocating for health care’ is also a desired attribute!
ACORN will now be called a Health Care Organization.
Just a reminder.. Coming up soon on Pelosi, Reid & the Obama Bot’s agenda is going to be unprecedented gun control measures.. They will need those to force things like this health care plan on us, & eventually enforce it by jailing people who won’t comply..
So, be sure to talk to people you know who may be on the fence about the necessity of the Second Amendment.. They need to know that this is no joke.
The people at Waco were nuts to be sure.. But do you remember how Reno & the Feds handled it? They slaughtered those people like they were cattle, & got four of their agents killed in the process..
Now people with the same mentality as Reno had back then, have more power than they did back then, & they are calling everyday Christians, anyone who doesn’t like what the feds are doing, & gun owners “Potential Domestic Terrorists”. I’m sure that I’m in some Federal law enforcement database as such, & probably Michelle Malkin too for that matter. I don’t really worry about it, because I trust God.. We need to fight back though, because there has never been a greater time of tyranny in this country than what we are seeing today..
P.S. I lost my job over my political views recently.. The Dems are desperate, & their tightening the screws on anyone who speaks ill of them.. I found out yesterday that the Founder of my former employer donated about $100,000 to the Dems in 2008 alone.. They were watching my political activities through my browsing at work no doubt.. I guess they figure if I have no money, I can’t do as much.. I have bad news for them.. God will provide a way..