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Happy Halloween, folks!
Remember to crank some Type O Negative to get yourself in the mood before you go out to spread any mischief!
Hey Boo Boo, is that a family picnic basket (filled with Halloween candy) over there?
And, no worries about the candy. It has not been prayed over, or cursed, by witches.
Bah Humbug! This is by far the stupidist “celebration” on the planet.
You know…when I think of Halloween, I think of one thing:
Tim Curry.
G rated link.
PG rated link
PG 13 rated link
Not quite R rated link.
Door bell rings every frickn 5 minutes. Dogs barking. “oh isn’t that a cute outfit, and your knife slicing through your skull looks soooo real”.
Going to the Morristown, NJ Tea Party (11-2). Even though it’s a little rainy – it’ll be fun. Got to get the message out before the vote on Tuesday.
Happy Halloween!
If you give cheap a$$ candy, your windows are soaped…tp everywhere.
My family packs it up and ships out for the night. Want nothing to do with the tricksters.
Mortis: After y’all crank the Type O Negative, follow it up with a donation at your local blood bank – they always need donors, especially O Neg!
Happy Halloween, and grab the chocolate first!
Halloween was invented so there would be one day appropriate for everyone to listen to the Cramps, the campiest horror-surf-rockabilly-punk rock ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkJXPth4wFA
Get to baby-sit our littlest 6-mo. old Punkin (grandson) so Mommy and Daddy can go Par-tay. Gonna dress him up in a few cute outfits and take pics!
Beats me how “Christians” can celebrate something so pagan.
Because On it has no power. Christ death conquered any thing that might have any kind of “power”. Satan is a defeated foe. Celebrate your liberty…..
Let me see how many days of the year people come to my door in a way that I can give them something that may include something about the love of Christ….? Why NONE.
I’m not afraid of Halloween dude. Jesus won.
chap….
My firewall at work won’t allow me to hit outside links.
jsmiddleton,
Tim Curry links from:
The Worst Witch
Legend
Stephen King’s It
Rocky Horror Picture Show
I haven’t had breakfast yet and I’m watching “Blair Witch Project” on U-verse.
Because of the Cramps!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owF1iSVi8KA
`Gay porn’ star Levi Johnston wants to sue Sarah Palin over visitation.
Link
We no longer stay home on Halloween! It used to be fun when all the neighbor kids came around. Now, there are no neighbor children left and the kids who come through are strangers. We used to have a “block party” on Halloween…outside in the street. Now, same neighbors, but all the children are grown and gone. We only get about 10 kids at the door all evening. Not worth staying home. My husband and I go to the movies.
I have fond memories of my Halloweens past. I don’t think it means we celebrate paganism!! No one ever thought that…it was just a lot of fun where you could dress up and be silly. I once went up to a house in my grandmother’s town on Halloween and a woman yelled at me for being a sinner, out begging for candy. It was horrible and spoiled the whole night. I would never do that to a child. Halloween is generally not associated with paganism any more, but just an excuse for another party. As a Christian, I have no problem with it.
Same reason St. Patricks day is celebrated.
I saw him on TV the other day. That moron gives new meaning to the phrase, “all looks and no brains”. No question about it, Bristol was lulled by his beauty, and then found out that was all he had. Keep that baby far far away from him! He is a classic jerk and can’t even string two coherent sentences together.
Halloween isn’t a pagan celebration. It’s a Christian celebration. It started as a holy day for remembering the dead that morphed into a commercialized event for dressing up in costumes and pigging out on candy.
It’s completely harmless. Children “get it”. For many of us growing up, it was the first signal that Thanksgiving and Christmas were just around the corner.
If only the so-called “mature adults” would just lighten up. It’s hard enough to have a childhood today as it is. There are even commercials urging kids to play one hour each day. How did it come to this that kids have to be taught how to play? Lighten up everybody.
I’m going to a party at the local humane society-dressed as a rabid Cubs fan.
I know-who’d thunk it.
Got it. Jesus` died so we can participte in paganism…
One year I accompanied my kids and their friends around the neighborhood. I dressed up as Aunt Jemima. No one knew me and thought it was hilarious. Now I guess I can’t do that.
Now we go out, too, and make sure we’re home after 10pm. No lights are on, either. Too bad. Used to be fun.
White House visitors – Gingrich?. Next who, O’Reilly?
Unreal…
Do you object to Christmas trees and the Easter bunny and the dozens of other pagan rituals and symbols Christianity has adopted? Heck, even the NAME Easter comes from the pagan goddess Eostre.
On October 31st, 2009 at 10:38 am, chapoutier said:
Tort reform. Boo!
I thought it was Ishtar.
Thanks for the Tim Curry, chap. Check out my Cramps links, we’re on a similar theme.
YES.
The savior was NOT born on Dec 25. If you celebrated his birth at all, it just passed.
“Got it. Jesus` died so we can participte in paganism…”
If that’s your conclusion then no, you don’t get it.
His death provided freedom from running around ringing our hands worrying about things that have no power.
It is correct that Jesus was not born, at least its very unlikely He was born, in December. So?
As Paul said quite clearly all things are lawful, not all things are profitable.
You are free to get wrapped up in this day or that, pagan or not, but if you think that is a profitable way to “spend” the freedom Christ’s death purchased for you, I would ask you to consider maybe you lost sight the big picture.
In the age of Obama, every day is Halloween, where the ghosts and monsters of socialist regimes long thought dead come back to haunt us. Other than that, I have absolutely no problem with this most fun of ancestral-pagan-harvest days.
And just to be sure, which pagan ritual, holiday, incantation, outfit, dress still has power over you soap?
“In the age of Obama, every day is Halloween”
That’s priceless.
I just saw another liberal twit trying to justify the current health”care” bill. “It will cut costs and be more efficient”. I desperately want to reach into the TV and throttle those brainwashed robots. How can anything run by the government cut costs or be efficient??? Where are all these stupid twits coming from? Government run programs…
Social Security…almost broke
Medicare…almost broke
Amtrak…broke
Post Office…almost broke
Cash for Clunkers…inefficient and cost the taxpayers $24,000 per car. Oh, and the car dealers didn’t get paid for months causing many of them to go broke.
“Stimulus Bill”…They have to make up numbers of “jobs saved or created” because they have no idea. And any job “saved or created” is most likely a non-productive government job.
The new home loan program…Full of corruption and fraud. Even 4-year-olds are getting home loans from this program.
Any program the government runs is full of corruption, inefficiency, rampant overspending, cronyism. Do we want those kinds of people deciding whether grandma gets to live or should just take a pill? Yeah, their grandma will get to live. But the “unwashed masses”? Not a chance. There won’t be enough doctors to care for everyone, so guess who will get the health care and who will get the death panel? We are just the “chattering class”, remember?
The health”care” bill MUST be stopped at all costs, even if we have to storm the capitol. Michele Bachmann wants people to meet her on the DC capitol steps at noon next Thursday to do just that. Go to her website at http://www.michelebachmann.com for details.
If I want to be scared, I don’t have to watch a horror movie. I just read the latest news out of Washington.
On October 31st, 2009 at 10:51 am, jsmiddleton4 said:
Well you didn’t ask me but I am hoping to see some trim and fit gals in Wonder Woman outfits myself.
NEWS FLASH FROM FOX:
N.Y. GOP Congressional Candidate Dede Scozzafava Suspends Campaign
What a great day!
Agree!! Jesus didn’t die so we could celebrate paganism. He died so we could be forgiven and live free.
Soap…what religion are you? Just curious. You don’t have to answer if you don’t want to.
Yay!! A real win for conservatives. And a loss for Newt!
Now, on to Virginia and New Jersey!
jsm,
Nope. I have the freedom to do as I wish. Part of that freedom is to find out how to live and live it out.
If you think the Savoir died to give us the freedom to participate in things pagan, you lack understanding of living in His will.
But I digress. You can find a scripture to do what you like when you like. The scripture you refer to, Paul is not making a blanket statement to “Do as thy will”. Pick up a concordance and learn. Paul was not refering to participating in paganism.
The Scriptures are very clear about the practice. If I err, I err with the scriptures and not against them.
“paganism”
There is no “pagan” in paganism. There is no magic, no power, nothing to be afraid of.
And giving out candy is a far cry from “celebrating”…..
“you lack understanding of living in His will.”
I’ll stay right here in His will where I don’t live in fear and enjoy the freedom and liberty He purchased for me.
But thanks for your concern.
The conservatives in Va are way ahead in the polls. I believe we may even win some local races, unusual in this area.
Personally, our family refers to Christmas also as celebrating the birth of Christ. The reason for the season. It’s the pagans who would like to take Christ out of Christmas. It is the non-believers who have hijacked the meaning of Christmas and brought it down to their level of commercialization.
Rhetorical question for the politically correct. Many insist on calling the Christmas tree a holiday tree. Which holiday are they referring to? The Jews, nor the Muslims use a tree as a symbol of any holiday they might celebrate then? How about the made up holiday of Kwansaa? A bushel basket of vegetables and fruit might be more appropriate for them.
As for Easter, we refer to it as Resurrection Sunday. For small children, the candy and Easter Bunny is a fun time and a good time to teach them about Jesus. It’s the pagan adults who still equate the Easter Bunny with the holiday.
j
Thanks! I like to think that every now and then I come up with a good one.
happy,
Soap is not bound up in “religion”. I used to be but was set free. WOOHOO! Take about freedom. I am free to live as Yahshua did. We visit the orpahns and widows (the only true “fast” – or religion if you will).
Jam 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, to visit orphans and widows in their afflictions, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.
The world loves halloween. It has its roots in paganism. Google is your friend.
*talk about freedom
“The world loves halloween. It has its roots in paganism.”
What part of “So?” don’t you seem to get Soap?
You act as if your observation is important.
I suggest you take some time and read I Cor especially starting at about chapter 8. If I choose to not participate in Halloween it is not becuase Halloween means anything. If it causes a brother to stumble, then I am free to not participate in it. I am also free to participate in it because Halloween is nothing. Paul very clearly details that a believer is no better off because they do or don’t participate in these kinds of things.
Your position in inherently judgemental that IF a Christian is not against Halloween, then that Christian is not int God’s will and is celebrating paganism.
I will refer you back to the source and please start I Cor about chapter 8 through what Chapter 13 or 14?
Just and excerpt
The Believer’s Freedom
23″Everything is permissible”—but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible”—but not everything is constructive.
24 Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others.
25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience,
26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”
27 If some unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience.
28 But if anyone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience’ sake
29 the other man’s conscience, I mean, not yours. For why should my freedom be judged by another’s conscience?
30 If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?
31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.
32 Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God—
33 even as I try to please everybody in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved.
Druids?
Harvest Festival here in Arkansas.
Happy Halloween folks. Guess when Im handing out candy Ill dress up as the 1990 page health care bill. Should scare the hell out of the kids and their parents. Or I can dress up as a human resources director and scare the crap out of democrats. Then again, I could just wear my Joe Biden mask, and say “Merry Christmas” to the trick or treaters. Nah, Ill just wear my reverend Wright mask, and scream “Godddd.damn Halloween” every time my doorbell rings.
Easter is for celebrating the resurrection…and rabbit hunting.
Soap…allow me to introduce you to Right4Life. You two could have some great discussions. But I promise to stay out of them.
What Bible is that from? I never heard of the book of Jam. There there also a book of peanut butter in your Bible?
and rabbit hunting.
I thought I saw a rabbit…
I thought it was for Cadbury chocolate eggs?
Once Easter is over, they are gone!
While I’m a christian-joining the Roman Catholic Communion-now I was born Jewish.
When I was a Jewish girl I liked Christian’s traditional values but was turned off by the fact that some of them were killjoys. Almost 15 years after I was saved I still believe that.
So Halloween’s pagan. Christmas has partial pagan roots as well. Are the “nuffers” going to stop celebrating that as well? I know people that don’t because it’s “not biblical”.
Halloween is just a chance for-in my family’s case harmless fun. We don’t do demons and the like.
My Savior is big enough to deal with Halloween.
All you aesthetics-please…lighten up
“book of Jam”
That’s where people take their own bias and jam into into their theology?
They use the book of Jam?
There is nothing external that has power over me nor by Christianity. Jesus’ victory is complete.
Then we can look at Colossians if you’d like.
16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
20Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21″Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? 22These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.
Easter (Ishter) is for celebrating fertility. Why else would there be bunnies and eggs and what do these things have to do with His death and resurrection?
Easter is also good for wabbit hunting as well!
jsm,
If you think Paul came to undo what the Creator did and proclaimed – well… I believe Paul is rolling over in his grave when people take what he wrote/said and use it to justify what ever is in their hearts to do. I will take the Creators word over Paul’s every day of the week and twice on Sabbath.
happy,
your posts crack me up!
book of Jam…
Still ROFL
Maybe a bit more on the victory is complete and there is nothing to be afraid of regarding “pagan”?
Again Colossians
13When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature,[b] God made you[c] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.[d]
So do Halloween or don’t do Halloween. Your call soap, and whoever else.
But that does not mean you get to judge other Christians as celebrating paganism nor being out of God’s will.
The freedom Christ purchased for us is diminished when you try to force matters into such a tight mold and then judge others from your perspective.
Relax, Jesus won and we win because of His victory.
Soap is NOTHING like r4l.
I gots no beef with hating on Halloween if you hate on all the other things as well.
I thought the point of Halloween was to make fun of the pagans. Overall, I think a higher percentage of pagans dislike Halloween more than Christians.
Remember, the Bible was written by God through men, including Paul. To discount what Paul wrote is to discount what God wrote.
2 Timothy 3:16 – All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
My daughter had a friend in grade school whose parents didn’t believe in celebrating anything! I can’t remember what religion it was. But they didn’t celebrate any of the Christian holidays, nor did they celebrate birthdays! That poor child had no childhood. And all the Christmas pageantry and the beautiful Easter celebrations, and birthday cakes, candles…just think of what she missed. My daughter just could not understand why her friend couldn’t come to her birthday party. It is a very sad “religion” that gets so rigid. And I wonder what Bible they were reading?? I don’t believe God put us on this earth to be unbending fundamentalists…not that I would presume to know the Mind of God!
“I believe Paul is rolling over in his grave when people take what he wrote/said and use it to justify what ever is in their hearts to do.”
If I understand correctly Paul is not in his grave to roll.
Like I said soap if you don’t want to do Halloween, please feel free not to. That does not mean you get to condemn other believers who may nor act like some how your “right” is “more right” than others and somehow you are superior because you don’t do Halloween.
I am not going to be limited by your conscience other than causing you to stumble.
Does it cause you to stumble if I give out candy to kids tonight?
If so I will turn off my lights and take my candy to work.
jsm,
Go back a few versus:
Col 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
So, you believe “Christ” approves in paganism and maybe even participated? Is this what Paul instructs in the latter versus you provided?
“I can’t remember what religion it was.”
There are a few but Jehova Witnesses are a main one that condemn celebrating the traditional holidays.
“Col 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:”
Yep. And I didn’t receive Christ by following this day or that day, this rule or that rule.
Did you?
So soap are you going to stumble if I give out candy tonight?
I trick or treated as a kid. No harm done. Here’s a short article on the history of Halloween.
I agree, Chap. Soap is not mean and nasty like right4life. But they share a certain rigid fundamentalism. That is all I was referring to. I also don’t fault them for their fundamentalism, as long as they don’t judge me for my lack of it!
“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world.”
Ha, you do know that Paul was referring to the religious rules of Judiasm right soap?
The rules that were oppressing people about celebrating this day, that thing, be afraid of that “stuff” over there…
The kind of rules that caused people to be afraid and controlled from the outside?
You do understand context right soap?
You aren’t going to find Paul supporting what you are looking for.
Maybe Old Testament and prohibition against mediums and astrologers for like Saul?
But not New Testament.
But good luck.
Stumble or not soap?
That’s what it was! Thanks!
jsm,
Show me where I condemned anybody? It just beats me how a “Christian” can participate.
It also beats me how ANY “Christian” can support O-Bingo…or this latest healthcare plan which will include abortion… but they do and if you deny that….well. I guess we can file that under Colossians as well.
If you are feeling condemned, take it up with the Spirit and don’t lay blame to me.
Go back and read my first post. Did I condemn anybody? If anything, I imply “Christians” should be held to a higher standard.
“I also don’t fault them for their fundamentalism, as long as they don’t judge me for my lack of it!”
I’d say that is fundementally sound happy….
“Did I condemn anybody?”
Yep you did. I’m not in God’s will soap? How’s that? How are you the determinant of that?
So soap are you or are you not going to stumble if I give out candy tonight?
I am feeling condemned. But this is pretty low on the totem poll of reasons why.
Happyscraper
One of my good friends is a former Catholic who has embraced Jewish law.
Her family believes in Jesus but take the attitude that if it isn’t mentioned in the Bible you don’t celebrate it.
They celebrate all the Jewish feasts-but no Christmas, Easter, certainly no Halloween. They do celebrate birthdays. Donna is not thrilled that I’m joining the Catholics- because in her opinion the faith of her birth is far from Biblical.
“If anything, I imply “Christians” should be held to a higher standard.”
So you are a legalist?
Whose standard? Yours?
But you aren’t judgemental?
You said a mouthful, there Chap!! There are so many reasons to condemn you, where to start?
“I am feeling condemned.”
Like dead man walking condemned chap?
Thanks chap!
I do not condemn anybody. See my last post.
Y’all sort of traded religions!
Soap judges us simply by putting the word “Christian” in quotes when referring to anyone who claims to be Christian, but “celebrates paganism”. In other words, we are (so-called) “Christians” not Christians. I get it.
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HI ON-MY-SOAP-BOX. You are correct that Jesus was not born on December 25–in the year 1 AD to us. The Christmas Star was noted by the Chinese in 4 BC, and the date for the Roman taxation census requiring Joseph and Mary to go to their natal city–Bethlehem–squares with this date.
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The best guess is that His birth was in late March or early April. The shepherds were in the fields to help the ewes (female sheep for the agriculturally challenged) give birth to the lambs, and to keep predators away when the flock was most vulnerable to them. It was probably cold also.
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When the first Roman Christian Emperor–Constantine–took over in the third century AD there was a big wild orgy party–Lupercalia?–at the end the shortening days–about December 21 in our calender. This wild New Year party offended the Christians–they moved Jesus’ birth up to that day to “swamp out” the other celebration. And probably without the orgy!
***
John Bibb
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jsm,
So, you do not believe you should be held to a higher standard?
I get “legalist” all of the time. Nope – sorry.
Sounds like you are a bit “judgmental” to me!
Lets see: I am being accused of condemning people and being judgemental. I judged you how? Oh, I called halloween pagan.
One of the reasons I enjoy reading these posts is the wealth of information you all share! That was a very interesting post, Rocketman!
No, you put us in quotation marks.
Happy,
I put “Christians” in quotes because the “ian” suffix means belonging to or from. There are other people who call themselves christians for various reasons that do not follow/belong to Him. Feel free to be offended by the quotes. I just use them for clarification – nothing more. You will also note I sometimes spell chistian with a lower case “c” specifically for the latter type of christian noted above. I have always been consistent when doing this.
There is no such thing as “paganism”. I really doubt that anyone ever referred to themselves as pagans. It is just a general term that was adopted by Christians to refer to anyone who whose religions explained the world in terms of “natural” deities rather than in Christian terms. The indigenous people of the Americas, for instance, are “pagans”. “Pagan” doesn’t mean “evil”. It’s just a difference of opinion.
Halloween may have its roots in ancient pre-Christian times but then so does just about everything else. Christmas used to coincide with the longest day of the year for symbolic reasons. Co-opting the ancient rituals of conquered people has been standard practice for a very long time. It was more efficient than slaughtering entire populations and was one of the reasons the Roman Empire (and thus Christianity) spread so far so fast.
The only reason that Christians equate paganism with evil is that in Chrisianity, nature was long considered the realm of Satan. Adam and Eve’s sin was to succumb to Satan’s temptation of eating from the tree of knowledge. By doing so, Satan promised that they would know what God knew and become His equal.
That was the medieval argument that made it perilous to dabble in what became known as science. You were committing the original sin of succumbing to Satan’s temptation and thus opening yourself up to charges of devil worship.
There is no historical evidence whatsoever of the existence of a society of “devil worshippers” other than in modern times. It was a fairy tale created by Christians in the Middle Ages to scare people.
So just enjoy Halloween and stop scaring yourselves with such silliness. It poses no threat to our Christian world other than to enslave the weak-minded who believe in the boogey man and space aliens.