Radical leftist GOP candidate Dede Scozzafava quits

By Michelle Malkin  •  October 31, 2009 11:00 AM

Finally: The spoiler exits the race.

Stacy McCain has the scoop:

Just confirmed that Republican candidate Dede Scozzafava has quit the race. Speaking to supporters, Scozzafava broke down in tears.

UPDATE: Scozzafava, the hand-picked choice of the New York state GOP in the key 23rd District special election, reportedly will throw her support to Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman.

Scozzafava’s withdrawal came shortly after a new Siena College poll was released this morning, showing her in third place, with Hoffman neck-and-neck with Democrat Bill Owens.

Hey, GOP elites: Can you hear conservatives NOW?!

Ed Morrissey at Hot Air has the latest Siena Poll that doomed Scozzafava and adds:

This confirms the basic thrust of the three earlier polls, and especially the Daily Kos poll, which got the ranking of the candidates and the distribution of the vote almost exactly correct. Scozzafava has seen her negatives explode, while her two opponents have only become more accepted as they became more well known. She has no chance of winning this race, and her withdrawal leaves Hoffman with the Republican vote whether she endorses him or not.

Will the NRCC shift gears and start buying ads supporting Hoffman in the final three days of this race?

Just think of all those wasted NRCC/RNC dollars spent on the ACORN-Friendly, Big Labor-Backing, Tax-and-Spend, Margaret Sanger Award-Winning Radical in GOP Clothing.

Shame.

Help Doug Hoffman for Congress now.

***

More: 73wire on the campaign trail has Scozzafava’s farewell message:

In recent days, polls have indicated that my chances of winning this election are not as strong as we would like them to be. The reality that I’ve come to accept is that in today’s political arena, you must be able to back up your message with money—and as I’ve been outspent on both sides, I’ve been unable to effectively address many of the charges that have been made about my record. But as I’ve said from the start of this campaign, this election is not about me, it’s about the people of this District. And, as always, today I will do what I believe serves their interests best.

It is increasingly clear that pressure is mounting on many of my supporters to shift their support. Consequently, I hereby release those individuals who have endorsed and supported my campaign to transfer their support as they see fit to do so. I am and have always been a proud Republican. It is my hope that with my actions today, my Party will emerge stronger and our District and our nation can take an important step towards restoring the enduring strength and economic prosperity that has defined us for generations.

On Election Day my name will appear on the ballot, but victory is unlikely. To those who support me – and to those who choose not to – I offer my sincerest thanks.

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out!

As of 11:13am Eastern, no comment from Scozzafava endorser Newt Gingrich.

The Watertown Daily Times reports:

Ms. Scozzafava told the Watertown Daily Times that Siena Research Institute poll numbers show her too far behind to catch up – and she lacks enough money to spend on advertising in the last three days to make a difference. Mr. Owens has support from 36 percent of likely voters in the poll, with Mr. Hoffman garnering 35 percent support. Ms. Scozzafava has support from 20 percent of those polled.

The Gouverneur resident said she thinks she will receive more than 20 percent of the vote, based on several factors, including her performance during a Thursday debate.

***

Thank you, Sarah Palin.

Thank you, Tea Party activists, Club for Growth, and RedState.

Update: Johnny-come-lamely Newt Gingrich endorses Hoffman.

Update from reader Paul:

My name is Paul Brock. I live in Rochester NY and took the five hour drive up to Saranac Lake last Tuesday to see how I could help the Hoffman campaign. I planned on staying a day maybe two but ended up staying till Friday at 11:30 am. I wanted to write you a quick note and let you know that I have never been ACTIVE in any political campaign. After reading many of your articles and Sarah Palin’s facebook page, I knew it was time to get off the couch! What I found when I arrived was a lot of very gracious,extremely busy people. I was able to jump right in and working with Dougs sister Sandie, we were able to accomplish an enormous amount of processing of contributions. The donations were just beyond anyone’s imagination. The letters brought tears to my eyes. The stories of people who have never donated, one person who had bought some neccessities at Walmart and then returned them so he could send a money order for $25.00. The elderly people who are so very afraid for their grandchildren and great grandchildren.

I am not a political kind of person, but I know that helping this campaign is the right thing to do. I have three children, one who is a former navy sailor, another who is still in the navy and a sixteen year old daughter(who has morals and values and ethics!). I fear for their future with this current administration. I know I am not the only one.

The reason for this email is to ask you to keep this story alive for Mr. Hoffman. Keep your readers aware and if possible, keep directing them to Doug’s website to contribute. ALL the support he gets will help guarantee our country a much needed victory.

On a side note, tomorrow I have been asked to go to Syracuse to pick up Captain Scott O’Grady from the airport. He was the pilot shot down in Bosnia in 1995. I get to be his sidekick for two days. How blessed am I?

Again, thank you for the work you do and please continue to spread the word for the Hoffman campaign. The contributions are so necessary and so much appreciated……

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  1. #101
    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:17 pm, Sanddog said:

    I don’t know what the hell Newt was thinking. I understand the Big Tent concept but there are points that can’t be accepted. As a party, we can not and should never accept someone who supports Card Check. There is room for compromise on other issues but the idea that we can support taking companies away from their owners and giving control to union thugs is unconscionable.

  2. #102
    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:21 pm, purplepeep said:

    Dan Lee said:
    I still can’t get over the visual of Newt sitting on the same couch as Pelosi selling the global warming sham..

    I knew it was coming after I saw Harry Reid putting that large plant pod in Newt’s basement a few years back.

  3. #103
    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:22 pm, granite said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 1:35 pm, swede said:

    BTW what ever happened to our true lib-loony LGM. I kinda miss his pseudo-intellectual drivel.

    His?

    You mean their, no?

    Sybil (AKA LGM) had, at last count, I believe four distinctly different posting personalities.

  4. #104
    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:23 pm, MacEamonn said:

    So when can we expect the GOP county chairpeople who nominated Ms. Scozzafava for this seat to resign?

  5. #105
    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:24 pm, deadeye said:

    HEY NEWT!! ARE YOU LISTENING????

  6. #106
    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:24 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 12:58 pm, Rogue Cheddar said: #833152

    I see your glass is full of Cool-Aid. If your opponent withdraws, did you not win?

    No.

    It means you went unchallenged and the voters did not have a chance to pick Conservative or Republican. The voters should have had the opportunity to choose. Do you agree or disagree?

  7. #107
    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:25 pm, granite said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:16 pm, Omu said:

    You’ve just spilt the Republican vote and alienated moderates. Well done Michelle Malkin, we will have yet another Democrat in the House on Tuesday!

    The mere fact that you are thus commenting, instead of remaining silent and not interfering as your enemy, in your opinion, destroys himsewlf…proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that this development is very good news for conservatives/treaditionalists.

  8. #108
    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:26 pm, love2rumba said:

    Maybe Newt should just go back to talking about Knut the Polar Bear…and retire.

    He seems to like writing so much, perhaps he should do children’s books..at least he would be less noxious.

  9. #109
    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:26 pm, granite said:

    Hit “submit” instead of “preview”:

    …himsewlf…
    …treaditionalists….

    Apologies.

  10. #110
    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:27 pm, love2rumba said:

    You’ve just spilt the Republican vote and alienated moderates. Well done Michelle Malkin, we will have yet another Democrat in the House on Tuesday!

    Omu, Omu, what are you on today??

  11. #111
    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:27 pm, purplepeep said:

    Omu sez: “Well done Michelle Malkin”

    You figure Michelle just gave Scozzafava a call then? I agree – well done – other than Michelle should have called her a lot sooner!

  12. #112
    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:33 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 12:43 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said: #833141

    Check your facts – there was no primary involved here.

    Check your reading comprehension. Who said there was a primary involved here.

    Though the point and the question remain unanswered. Do you care to give it a go?

    Hoffman violated his pledge to live with the decision that the local Republican committes arrived at, as to who would represent the Republican Party in this special election.

    The question -

    However the next Republican is decided upon, primary or not, will the second place Republican choose to run as the Conservative Party candidate?

  13. #113
    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:35 pm, itzWicks said:

    I feel a bit of compassion for Dede as she *is* an actual inhabitant of the district and probably cares about what happens there. That said, she was selected by the state GOP machine, and was a career politician (and yes, that is a BAD thing).

    Hoffman should win this special election, and then make the 23rd Congressional District proud. Here is a piece of advice for the man: you can find no better role model to emulate than Dr. Tom Coburn.

  14. #114
    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:40 pm, Hangfire said:

    (Ding, ding. Ding, Ding)

    (1MC) “New York RINO, departing!”

    DOOOWHEEEEEEEEEooooooooWeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

  15. #115
    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:43 pm, Dan Lee said:

    Is someone that would vote for Scozzafava really a moderate?? I mean lets call it for what it is while we’re at it..

    A “moderate” is either someone who’s too immature to have figured out what side they need to be on, or too stupid to know the difference, & therefore a liberal by default.. :)

  16. #116
    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:47 pm, purplepeep said:

    Dan Lee said:
    A “moderate” is either someone who’s too immature to have figured out what side they need to be on or too stupid to know the difference

    You forgot door number three, Dan: “or both”.

  17. #117
    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:52 pm, txvet2 said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:43 pm, Dan Lee said:

    Many of them would be classified as “ignorant sheep who pull the lever for anyone with an (R) after their name”. They’ll be doing that very thing Tuesday, which is why Owens still has a chance to win.

  18. #118
    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:54 pm, Jet Jaguar said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:16 pm, Omu said:

    You’ve just spilt the Republican vote and alienated moderates. Well done Michelle Malkin, we will have yet another Democrat in the House on Tuesday!

    We Conservatives are done with dancing-with-the-Devil. To Hell with choosing a lesser evil. We’re only voting for candidates who espouse and follow through with correcting our course back to the Founders’ vision.

  19. #119
    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:56 pm, JustAThought said:

    Conservatives – 1
    RINOS – 0

    Buh-BYE!

  20. #120
    On October 31st, 2009 at 3:05 pm, chapoutier said:

    Conservatives – 1
    RINOS – 0

    Buh-BYE!

    No no. You can’t just decide to keep score now. How many RINOs do you think there are in the House? The Senate? Who was your Presidential nominee in 2008?

  21. #121
    On October 31st, 2009 at 3:06 pm, Roland said:

    A “moderate” is either someone who’s too immature to have figured out what side they need to be on, or too stupid to know the difference, & therefore a liberal by default..

    A moderate can be someone who recognizes the political world is a vastly complicated place, and alienating people who disagree on particular issues is not good politics.

    For instance, when there was all of the fuss about the AIG bonuses there was a vote on whether or not to tax the bonuses at some confiscatory rate (99%? I forget).

    One of my favorite conservative politicians voted for that bill. I was aghast. The bill was, in my opinion, blatantly unconstitutional.

    His reason for voting for the bill was that the money shouldn’t have been there for AIG to pay them in the first place. It was unconstitutional for the money to be there. Therefore, clawing back the money was not unconstitutional.

    I still think he was wrong. Obviously wrong. Am I supposed to consider him an oath breaking anti-Constitution fake conservative because we saw that issue differently?

    Of course not. And that was a simple example.

    Politics is vastly complex. You have to use judgment. Judgment comes from experience and time for extended reflection.

    Also, the real ‘moderate’ is far further to the right than the inside the beltway crowd imagines.

  22. #122
    On October 31st, 2009 at 3:08 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 12:58 pm, txvet2 said: #833153

    It appears to me that you’re offering a false choice, knowingly or otherwise, by framing this as a contest between a political party and a political philosophy (which, in a normal political world would be the governing philosophy of that party). The contest is between conservatism and liberalism. Political parties are only the vehicles for conducting the debate, not the principles. In this instance, liberalism was the ruling philisophy of both the Democrat and Republican Parties, ergo a defeat for Scozzafava as the Republican candidate is a defeat for liberalism as the governing philosophy for Republicans. We’ll find out Tuesday whether it’s a defeat for liberalism overall.

    Nope.

    From the beginning this issue was framed as the Republican Party versus the Conservative Party. I did not set up the conditions for this discussion.

    This began with the Republican Party not selecting the ‘correct’ candidate. The Republican Party was taken to task.

    Being a Republican does not make someone consevative. Being a Democrat does not make someone liberal. There are liberal Republicans and Conservative Democrats.

    Few politicians will put national interests above their local needs. That is an unfortunate reality. Because a Republican supports government subsidies for a commodity produced in their locale, does not make them less conservative. Or, does it?

    The test came down to National conservative philosphy versus local republican interests, as the local Republican Committes saw them.

    It will be interesting to see whether Hoffman lives up to his beliefs and statements concerning stimulus funds, for instance.

    How many Republicans voted against the stimulus funds, but went around their districts handing out the money with those big Publisher’s Clearing House sized checks? Yep, the reality is, local issues rule.

    Yes, there is, and always will be, the parochial interest of the individual with regard to their local constintuencies. And, there is, and always will be, the National interests. Often the two diverge. And, it is the Republican candidate (Scozzafava) who represents the former, and the Conservative candidate (Hoffman) who represents the latter.

    Should you want to characterize it your way, that is fine.

    Bottomline, it is a lost opportunity to see if the voters were willing to place the National interest above their local interests.

    Yes, I have disounted the Democrat because the NY23rd is, and has been, Republican, since the 1800′s.

  23. #123
    On October 31st, 2009 at 3:12 pm, purplepeep said:

    chapoutier said:

    Conservatives – 1
    RINOS – 0

    Buh-BYE!

    No no. You can’t just decide to keep score now. How many RINOs do you think there are in the House? The Senate? Who was your Presidential nominee in 2008?

    I think you’ve illustrated the problem the Democrats have right there, Chap. Conservatives can look forward to 2010 & 2012. The Democrats can only look back with a resigned “remember when?”.

  24. #124
    On October 31st, 2009 at 3:12 pm, chapoutier said:

    Yes, there is, and always will be, the parochial interest of the individual with regard to their local constintuencies.

    You don’t have to worry about that with Hoffman. He has shown zero knowledge of local issues and does not even live in the district.

  25. #125
    On October 31st, 2009 at 3:13 pm, papertiger said:

    Look closely at the troll post:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:33 pm, zyzzyg said:

    Now imagine zyzzyg were the city editor in the vast majority of news rooms across this country. Now imagien he were the copy editor and beat reporter in every one of those news rooms.
    Imagine zyzzyg were every reporter and talking head at ABC CBS NBC PBS CNN.
    Imagine he was the editor, reporter, and copy desk, at National Geographic, U.S.News & World Report, The Hill, Newsweek, Time, The Nation, and a hundred more political commentary magazines that I wouldn’t read if it weren’t for doctor’s office waitiong rooms.
    You see how he’s trolling from every angle? You see how his only aim is to twist the meaning of our words, delute any gain by our party, confuse and destroy good people at any cost?

    Now multiply that by a 1000. Multiply it by ten thousand.

    That’s what Newt Gingrich faces from the mainstream media every day.

    Let us have some compassion for Newt. He navigates mine fields full of professional “zyzzyg”s everyday. Each and everyone dedicated to distorting Newt Gingriches message, never for the good.

    We only get a taste of the battles he fights.

  26. #126
    On October 31st, 2009 at 3:13 pm, chapoutier said:

    I think you’ve illustrated the problem the Democrats have right there, Chap. Conservatives can look forward to 2010 & 2012. The Democrats can only look back with a resigned “remember when?”.

    We are living “in the moment” pretty good right now.

  27. #127
    On October 31st, 2009 at 3:16 pm, coffee said:

    As has been stated elsewhere: “GOP, pick a conservative or we’ll pick one for you.”

  28. #128
    On October 31st, 2009 at 3:17 pm, frontierguy said:

    Hopefully this will send a message to all Repubs that severely deviating from what the Republican Party is supposed to stand for means cutoff of funds. If we can get the party to be unified in the low taxes, small government and strong defense there is some hope and change I can stand behind.

    All of you incumbents….Be afraid, be very afraid.

  29. #129
    On October 31st, 2009 at 3:18 pm, purplepeep said:

    chapoutier said:
    We are living “in the moment” pretty good right now.

    Chap, that’s like noting “the water’s only risen 3 feet deep now” in Johnstown, PA in 1889. ;)

  30. #130
    On October 31st, 2009 at 3:24 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 1:19 pm, Tuesday said: #833179

    Sure, zy! You cheer on infighting just as long as you believe it would give YOUR (D) candidate the win!

    Who is cheering on infighting? It is two distinct and separate Parties, with two distinct candidates. It is National intersets (Hoffman) versus local interests (Scozzafava).

    My wanting to see who prevails is more about which will win? Will politicians take a more National interest path (and, more importantly stay on it once in office) or, will the voters maintain their more parochial veiws.

    I am partial to the voters making the choice. A politician quiting takes that choice away from the voters.

    Too bad for you, now Owens will not be one of Pelosi’s bucket boys!

    Curious. What makes you think I am concerned about what Rep Pelosi wants?

    And, in all seriousness, will Hoffman have greater choices then to fall in line with Rep Boehner? Assuming, as a member of the Conservative Party, he chooses, or is allowed, to caucus with Republicans?

    Not a rule, but part of the reality. Most Freshman Representatives are bucket boys.

  31. #131
    On October 31st, 2009 at 3:34 pm, purplepeep said:

    chapoutier said:

    Chap – by way of addition to this:

    Conservatives can look forward to 2010 & 2012. The Democrats can only look back with a resigned “remember when?”.

    I forgot to mention:
    White House Gears Up for Disappointing Election Day – ABC

  32. #132
    On October 31st, 2009 at 3:38 pm, cheapseat said:

    chap; that is the point. mccain is every democrats favorite republican, a war hero with the spine of linguini. the dems could reliably point to mccain to justify shutting down gitmo, granting amnesty, gutting republican fundraising, and having drunken orgies with ready teddy. so dems voted mccain as our parties candidate through crossover, and then abandoned him to elect the communist el heffe we have now. you stand in the middle of the road, and you get run over by the people moving on both sides.

  33. #133
    On October 31st, 2009 at 3:42 pm, chapoutier said:

    Interesting fact from that article.

    Since the early 1970s, the party not in power in the White House has won the Virginia governor’s race,

    When you are excited about carrying a House race that a Democrat hasn’t won since the 19th century and a Governors race between two awful candidates in the purplest of purple states, I think that says more about your side than it does mine.

    That said, Republicans/conservatives/whatever you are calling yourselves by then will make some gains in 2010. I predicted 15-20 House seats and one or two Senate races.

  34. #134
    On October 31st, 2009 at 3:44 pm, txvet2 said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 3:08 pm, zyzzyg said:

    There are liberal Republicans

    True.

    and Conservative Democrats.

    False.

    Few politicians will put national interests above their local needs

    And ridiculous beyond belief. Virtually the entire debate in Washington now is about the Democrat Party putting their ideology above the interests of their constituents.

    Because a Republican supports government subsidies for a commodity produced in their locale, does not make them less conservative. Or, does it?

    Yes it does.

    How many Republicans voted against the stimulus funds, but went around their districts handing out the money with those big Publisher’s Clearing House sized checks?

    None that I saw, but then that doesn’t always make national news.

    Yes, there is, and always will be, the parochial interest of the individual with regard to their local constintuencies. And, there is, and always will be, the National interests. Often the two diverge. And, it is the Republican candidate (Scozzafava) who represents the former, and the Conservative candidate (Hoffman) who represents the latter.

    And this is absurd beyond belief, and precisely 180 degrees from the fact. If it were true, Scozzafava wouldn’t have been disappearing out the bottom in the polls – nor would she have withdrawn. Your theory will be tested on Tuesday. If Owens wins, you can legitimately claim that the district is liberal. If he loses, it clearly isn’t. In any event, Scozzafava clearly did not represent the interests and the beliefs of the Republicans of the district, or they would not have abandoned her for Hoffman.

  35. #135
    On October 31st, 2009 at 3:44 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 3:13 pm, papertiger said: #833238

    Now imagine zyzzyg . . .

    You see how he’s trolling from every angle? You see how his only aim is to twist the meaning of our words, delute any gain by our party, confuse and destroy good people at any cost?

    Stop imagining and simply use the facts, it is far more helpful.

    Conspiracy theorists imagine. Don’t know what to call it when people base their reasons, positons and opinions on imagination. Dellusional, maybe?

    Ummmm, OK. Which Party are you talking about? The Republican Party, or the Conservative Party?

    And, where have I twisted anything? Where have I destroyed anyone? How do you know what my aim is without directly asking me? Cut and paste where I have done as much. OK, sorry. You don’t have to do it, because it is all in your imagination.

    “Imagine” is your word, not mine.

  36. #136
    On October 31st, 2009 at 3:45 pm, chapoutier said:

    so dems voted mccain as our parties candidate through crossover

    I have yet to see any compelling evidence of this.

  37. #137
    On October 31st, 2009 at 3:53 pm, malkin_fan said:

    Hey Newt,

    I switched to Verizon.

    CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW????????

  38. #138
    On October 31st, 2009 at 3:53 pm, purplepeep said:

    chapoutier said:
    That said, Republicans/conservatives/whatever you are calling yourselves by then will make some gains in 2010. I predicted 15-20 House seats and one or two Senate races.

    Still the optimist, I see. There will be an especially delicious irony to this specific election if a (big “C”) Conservative defeats a Democrat since the election was made necessary by Obama opening up the seat.

    The GOP elite has been punked but, better yet, now it’s on to Tuesday to punk Obama and the Dems!

    And to think this is just 10 months into the Obama presidency. Hardly even an “off-year” election yet!

  39. #139
    On October 31st, 2009 at 3:58 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 12:27 pm, On October 31st, 2009 at 12:27 pm, zyzzyg said: …As for culling ‘RINOS’ what will happen the next time if, and when, Republicans meet in a primary and then the loosing Republican will then choose to run on the Conservative Party ticket?

    On October 31st, 2009 at 12:43 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said: Check your facts – there was no primary involved here.

    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:33 pm, zyzzyg said: Check your reading comprehension. Who said there was a primary involved here.

    It wasn’t my comprehension it was in your nebulous use of “the next time” as though this had been a primary. Let’s a take a vote…

    As to your question, if that is what it takes to get rid of them then it’s fine by me!

  40. #140
    On October 31st, 2009 at 4:00 pm, purplepeep said:

    chapoutier said:

    “so dems voted mccain as our parties candidate through crossover”

    I have yet to see any compelling evidence of this.

    I dunno, Chap, there’s always a crossover vote. Party ID doesn’t mean what it did up until about the 60s and a very large part of the voting populace is (small “i”) independent. But I agree there wasn’t a massive – or even significant – Dem vote for McCain last time around.

  41. #141
    On October 31st, 2009 at 4:03 pm, zorro said:

    Michael Steele is speaking by telephone on FNC…

  42. #142
    On October 31st, 2009 at 4:04 pm, JHSII said:

    I’m so glad to hear so much talk from zyzzyg about all the positive work and successes of President Fred Thompson.

    What? you say????

    You mean Fred Thompson isn’t President?

    But according to zyzzyg once you withdraw from an election it means you’ve won!!

    :roll:

  43. #143
    On October 31st, 2009 at 4:13 pm, purplepeep said:

    JHSII said:
    But according to zyzzyg once you withdraw from an election it means you’ve won!!

    I think any real conservative is now concentrating on defeating Owens rather than lamenting Scozzafava’s opting out.

    It’s on to Tuesday.

  44. #144
    On October 31st, 2009 at 4:16 pm, Lindsay said:

    Wow. Hope is out there (and not the kind Obammy spoke of).

    Paul Brock, thank you. Your letter to Michelle brought tears to my eyes. Thank you.

    This, folks, is what we can do in 2010!

  45. #145
    On October 31st, 2009 at 4:20 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 3:44 pm, txvet2 said: #833256

    And ridiculous beyond belief. Virtually the entire debate in Washington now is about the Democrat Party putting their ideology above the interests of their constituents.

    Please be more specific about the ideology the Democrats are placing above the interests of their constintuents.

    None that I saw, but then that doesn’t always make national news.

    Very well, a quick google search produced this link. There were many more.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/23/jindal-more-jumbochecks/

    And this is absurd beyond belief, and precisely 180 degrees from the fact. If it were true, Scozzafava wouldn’t have been disappearing out the bottom in the polls – nor would she have withdrawn. Your theory will be tested on Tuesday. If Owens wins, you can legitimately claim that the district is liberal. If he loses, it clearly isn’t. In any event, Scozzafava clearly did not represent the interests and the beliefs of the Republicans of the district, or they would not have abandoned her for Hoffman.

    Scozzafava gave her reasons for suspending her campaign and whether she chose to focus on the polls, was her choice. And, yes a person who deals and accepts facts cannot dismiss that reality.

    Again, it is not a question liberal versus conservatism. It is a question of National interest represented by Hoffman, versus local issues represented by Scozzafava.

    Whatever Scozzafava veiws are, she has repeatedly been re-elected to the NY Legislature by her constintuents. Whatever she said to them, it was apparently good enough, and reflected their veiws, to get her re-elected.

    Yep, the polls contributed to her withdrawal, as did the attention the race was getting, as did her lack of money, and as did the reality of her competing against Hoffman and Owens.

    When the question of her constitutents is raised, that will be answered if she is again re-elected to the State Legislature. If so, that does that mean her constitnuents are liberal? I don’t know, but I am willing to say that she delivers for them. And, that is what all constinuents wants. Like it or not the priority for every constinuent is electing someone who delivers for them. Republican, Democrat, Conservative, Libertarian, etc.

    Not so much a quick aside, (because I am sure it would be a long conversation)but if the discussion is about the size of Government and spending. Would it make sense to eliminate Medicare and the taxes needed to support it?

    Do you think Hoffman would support this position? Do you think any Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, or Conservative now serving in Congress would take this principled (smaller Government – lower taxes) position?

  46. #146
    On October 31st, 2009 at 4:25 pm, JHSII said:

    zyzzyg posted:

    And, yes a person who deals and accepts facts cannot dismiss that reality.

    and then in the very next paragraph dismisses reality altogether.

    Gotta love one of the resident trolls!!

  47. #147
    On October 31st, 2009 at 4:28 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    On a side note, tomorrow I have been asked to go to Syracuse to pick up Captain Scott O’Grady from the airport. He was the pilot shot down in Bosnia in 1995. I get to be his sidekick for two days. How blessed am I?

    Paul, just give Captain O’Grady the “Juvat” salute

    It is the double fist over head Conan salute.

    Do it and he will know what it is

    Once a “Juvat”, always a Juvat!

    And yes I was there when he was there

  48. #148
    On October 31st, 2009 at 4:33 pm, right_on said:

    A “moderate” …

    …is someone who;

    a) just wants to get along.

    b) is ignorant of the issues, will concede points to both sides, just so they can claim they weren’t on the losing side of a contest.

    c) a coward who is afraid of being labeled by liberals.

    d) a liberal running as a Republican to get elected.

    e) all the above.

    You know, when someone like Dede, whose convictions are totally liberal (with the exception of gun rights) gets labeled a “moderate” by uber-liberal talking headsshe is a liberal.

  49. #149
    On October 31st, 2009 at 4:39 pm, AmericaFirst said:

    Moderate Republican = Pro Abortion. Pro High Taxes. Anti-Military. Pro Bureaucrat Big Government Expansion. Pro Nationalized Health Care. Pro Illegal Alien. Worships Global Warming Legislation. Pro United Nations. Pro NEA Teachers Union. Anti Oil-Coal-Nuclear. A donkey in an elephant’s clothing. No such thing as a moderate Republican. You are either a Conservative or a Democrat.

    Newt must have seen his book sales drop to “0″ when an epiphany caused him to endorse Hoffman. RINO’s like him and his buddy McCain are done.

  50. #150
    On October 31st, 2009 at 4:43 pm, purplepeep said:

    JHSII said:
    Gotta love one of the resident trolls!!

    The very likely upcoming defeat of Owens on Tuesday has them waxing apoplectic.

  51. #151
    On October 31st, 2009 at 5:01 pm, Dan Lee said:

    This is a war now.. No room for “moderates”..

    Imagine if a soldier said to his commanding officer, “Well I’m a moderate Sir, so I’m going to put my gun down & go try to reason with them.. You know, have some coffee, eat some MREs together, & see what I can do..”

    This is a war for our country, & people like Pelosi, Reid & the rest of the extremists have turned it into one.

    There is no longer any room for “moderates”..

    It’s time to choose a side, & a weapon of choice..

  52. #152
    On October 31st, 2009 at 5:09 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    I prefer the ballot to the bullet

  53. #153
    On October 31st, 2009 at 5:11 pm, Dan Lee said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 5:09 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    I prefer the ballot to the bullet

    It was a metaphor.. (For now)

  54. #154
    On October 31st, 2009 at 5:14 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    What the pullout of Dede shows is the ascendency of the influence Sarah Palin

  55. #155
    On October 31st, 2009 at 5:14 pm, purplepeep said:

    Dan Lee said:
    Imagine if a soldier said to his commanding officer, “Well I’m a moderate Sir, so I’m going to put my gun down

    Completely setting aside the question of moderates, Dan, I suspect the CO would inform him that “it’s a rifle, not a gun”.

  56. #156
    On October 31st, 2009 at 5:14 pm, JHSII said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 5:11 pm, Dan Lee said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 5:09 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    I prefer the ballot to the bullet

    It was a metaphor.. (For now)

    Actually the only side that has used physical violence so far has been the other side!!

  57. #157
    On October 31st, 2009 at 5:26 pm, Dan Lee said:

    Completely setting aside the question of moderates, Dan, I suspect the CO would inform him that “it’s a rifle, not a gun”.

    Assuming he’s not a “gunner” on a humvee. ;)

  58. #158
    On October 31st, 2009 at 5:28 pm, Dan Lee said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 5:14 pm, JHSII said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 5:11 pm, Dan Lee said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 5:09 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    I prefer the ballot to the bullet

    It was a metaphor.. (For now)

    Actually the only side that has used physical violence so far has been the other side!!

    Correct.. Look what they did to Lou Dobbs’ wife? Took a shot at her.. Try that on me & they better not miss a critical area.. They will be guaranteed some accurate “return fire”..

  59. #159
    On October 31st, 2009 at 5:31 pm, purplepeep said:

    Dan Lee said:

    Completely setting aside the question of moderates, Dan, I suspect the CO would inform him that “it’s a rifle, not a gun”.

    Assuming he’s not a “gunner” on a humvee. ;)

    Yup, I reckon a gunny could rightly call his weapon a gun!

  60. #160
    On October 31st, 2009 at 5:31 pm, granite said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 4:39 pm, AmericaFirst said:

    You are either a Conservative or a Democratsocialist.

    Good post.
    Just fixed one bit.

  61. #161
    On October 31st, 2009 at 5:33 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    As a lifetime NRA member, I fully support self defense

    As a citizen interested in the political direction this country is heading, I prefer to keep my political discussions on issues

    I thought this was a discussion about NY-23 not the second amendment

  62. #162
    On October 31st, 2009 at 5:38 pm, love2rumba said:

    so dems voted mccain as our parties candidate through crossover

    I kind of wonder if some higher-up R’s committed a little vote vote fraud to get McCain his early momentum in 2008…especiallly considering the dirty tricks I’ve seen against Rubio in Florida and Hoffman in NY-23 as of late.

  63. #163
    On October 31st, 2009 at 5:44 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    McCain was one of those higher up R’s

    Never forget what he and Huckabee did to Romney in West Virginia

    That little stunt played large in McCains nomination hopes

  64. #164
    On October 31st, 2009 at 5:48 pm, Dan Lee said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 5:33 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    As a lifetime NRA member, I fully support self defense

    As a citizen interested in the political direction this country is heading, I prefer to keep my political discussions on issues

    I thought this was a discussion about NY-23 not the second amendment

    One suggestion might be to not reply to my posts if you don’t want anything to do with them.. I would have thought you would have learned about that at the “college”.. It’s called freedom to say whatever you want, unless the OWNER of the forum says otherwise.. But you seem like a moderate=liberal… So, I’m not surprised.. In any case, if you don’t like what I say, don’t read it..

  65. #165
    On October 31st, 2009 at 5:50 pm, Dan Lee said:

    It should also be noted that you were the first one to bring up “bullets” oldcollegeguy.. I talked about weapons metaphorically..

  66. #166
    On October 31st, 2009 at 5:56 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    A weapon without a bullet is simply a, hammer, paperweight, anchor, backscratcher, etc…

    I stand by my original statement and add that bringing up weapons in a political discussion is inappropiate

    Unless you are a troll attempting to hijack a thread

  67. #167
    On October 31st, 2009 at 6:00 pm, Dan Lee said:

    I’m really surprised to see someone who is college educated struggle so much with metaphors.. Like this one for instance:

    “The pen, is mightier than the sword”..

    Or, “This headache is killing me.”

    Or, “Break a leg”, commonly used by performers..

    Do you often struggle with this much anxiety? When I did, I saw a doctor.. Just sayin’…

  68. #168
    On October 31st, 2009 at 6:01 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    As The Hill reported a month ago, NRCC spokesman Paul Lindsay said that Scozzafava was the right candidate, who was picked by the local party leaders and had an appeal to the district’s voters.

    As for Lindsay’s view of Hoffman, who had also interviewed with party leaders for the nomination: “Fortunately, the local Republican county chairs had the foresight to see that Doug Hoffman lacked the integrity and qualities needed to be elected to anything — let alone Congress.”

    I’m sure they feel differently today.

  69. #169
    On October 31st, 2009 at 6:02 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    So you still have nothing to say about NY-23

    Troll is as the troll does

  70. #170
    On October 31st, 2009 at 6:04 pm, Dan Lee said:

    Read back dopey… You’re making an ass out of yourself here..

  71. #171
    On October 31st, 2009 at 6:05 pm, txvet2 said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 4:20 pm, zyzzyg said:

    I don’t have time to address all of this. But as far as

    When the question of her constitutents is raised, that will be answered if she is again re-elected to the State Legislature. If so, that does that mean her constitnuents are liberal? I don’t know, but I am willing to say that she delivers for them. And, that is what all constinuents wants. Like it or not the priority for every constinuent is electing someone who delivers for them.

    is concerned, a moment’s thought would have been beneficial, and you might have realized that her state district is only a small part of the US Congressional district, and may very well be one of the more liberal areas of the US district. So what? They’re welcomed to her (but I bet she has trouble getting re-elected now that people are aware of her voting record). By the way, it’s “constituent”. I normally don’t correct spelling, but it hurts my eyes and it bruises that “erudite” image you try to project.

  72. #172
    On October 31st, 2009 at 6:05 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Jeff I wonder, it has been suggested that many of these so-called republican committees in many districts have been taken over by dems disgusied as republicans

    The registration may be republican but the policys often mirror dems.

  73. #173
    On October 31st, 2009 at 6:07 pm, purplepeep said:

    Jeff2161 said:
    I’m sure they feel differently today.

    Yup, the local GOP elite are doing a “Nevermind…” right about now as the Dems, in their desperation, are really pouring their usual “He’s Hitler” variety of attack on Hoffman.

  74. #174
    On October 31st, 2009 at 6:07 pm, Dan Lee said:

    As The Hill reported a month ago, NRCC spokesman Paul Lindsay said that Scozzafava was the right candidate, who was picked by the local party leaders and had an appeal to the district’s voters.

    As for Lindsay’s view of Hoffman, who had also interviewed with party leaders for the nomination: “Fortunately, the local Republican county chairs had the foresight to see that Doug Hoffman lacked the integrity and qualities needed to be elected to anything — let alone Congress.”

    I’m sure they feel differently today.

    These people are irrelevant to me now.. Until the party is taken over again by real Conservative, I ignore everything they say.. Steele is a joke, the RNC is a joke, & I stopped giving them money after the 2008 election..

    Conservatives are going to have to force the Rhino’s out. The NY Rhino woman’s departure was a good start for sure..

  75. #175
    On October 31st, 2009 at 6:08 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Txvet this is exactly why someone like Palin calling attention to this race was so important

    And MM allowing us the opportunity to carry the discussion further guided by her research can highlight other races that might be in need of national attention and fundraising

  76. #176
    On October 31st, 2009 at 6:11 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Is there any news from New Jersey this weekend cocerning the Corzine / Christie (sp?) race.

  77. #177
    On October 31st, 2009 at 6:14 pm, Dan Lee said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 6:11 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Is there any news from New Jersey this weekend cocerning the Corzine / Christie (sp?) race.

    Hey! That’s off topic! This thread is about the NY race! =P

    But in all seriousness, from the polls it seems like Christie is slightly ahead..

    http://realclearpolitics.com

  78. #178
    On October 31st, 2009 at 6:15 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    833319On October 31st, 2009 at 6:05 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said

    Ehh… this was just a friend of hers throwing a vote for her. 1st choice was Maroun and he was asked to run by Conservative Party. When he declined, Hoffmann stepped up.

  79. #179
    On October 31st, 2009 at 6:16 pm, Dan Lee said:
  80. #180
    On October 31st, 2009 at 6:20 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    That right it is, which is why I typed it in the form of a question, although with a period,, that was a typo

    If Michelle would give me edit authority I would have started a new thread just for it, but till then

    About the RNC, I still send them some funds, enough to keep my membership

    I want them to change direction, not go out of business

    When I want to donate to a candidate I donate directly to them, until I hit the limit, then I seek out like-minded pac’s

  81. #181
    On October 31st, 2009 at 6:22 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Thanks Jeff, good to know

    Thats why it is good to get info on these folks from people who know the individual districts and people familiar with them

  82. #182
    On October 31st, 2009 at 6:24 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 6:16 pm, Dan Lee said:
    Correction..

    Dead heat now..

    If the third party candidate wasn’t there, I believe Corzine would lose. But, I have a sinking feeling that he is going to pull it out. Hope I’m wrong!!

  83. #183
    On October 31st, 2009 at 6:30 pm, Dan Lee said:

    I agree happyscrapper.. It’s tough with all the insane me he’s spending. Not to mention that fact that NJ politics are nearly as corrupt as Illinois.

    OldCollegeGuy,
    The only one I’m sending money to is Michelle Bachmann for now.. One of the few people I still trust..

    I don’t fault your strategy personally.. I just send it to the Republicans I know I can trust, instead of through the general fund..

  84. #184
    On October 31st, 2009 at 6:31 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    That RCP link looks good

    This is Jersey though, hard to tell exactly what shenanigans will play out there, and I do expect voting irregularities

    If, if, we take NY-23, Virginia and Jersey, it will be safe to say that the landscape has shifted and you can watch for dems going apoletic on MSNBC and over at the dily kook

  85. #185
    On October 31st, 2009 at 6:35 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    We agree Dan, I strongly suggest individuals send directly to their candidate of choice

    I send to the RNC, to try to work within, Steele has been a disappointment, even though I never expected much.

    We need someone strongly conservative to take that role over and clean out a lot of the “centrists” who seem to be entrenched inside the RNC

    It will not happen though if we do not work within the organization

    I have a few extra bucks to try to help with and if we ever have a strong RNC again it will have been worth it

  86. #186
    On October 31st, 2009 at 6:37 pm, Rogue Cheddar said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 2:24 pm, zyzzyg said:
    On October 31st, 2009 at 12:58 pm, Rogue Cheddar said: #833152

    I see your glass is full of Cool-Aid. If your opponent withdraws, did you not win?
    No.

    It means you went unchallenged and the voters did not have a chance to pick Conservative or Republican. The voters should have had the opportunity to choose. Do you agree or disagree?

    Her name will still be on the ballot, so the voters can still choose her if they desire. plus isn’t there always a blank line for a write in? No opportunity lost.

  87. #187
    On October 31st, 2009 at 7:16 pm, Flyoverman said:

    I love the smell of scorched RINO’s in the morning.

    It smells like VICTORY.

  88. #188
    On October 31st, 2009 at 7:57 pm, dan708 said:

    OMG!!! I just saw my favorite Miami Hurricanes pull out a one-point win at Wake Forest, and now this?? As the Brits might say, I’m over the moon!

  89. #189
    On October 31st, 2009 at 8:12 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 4:04 pm, JHSII said: #833269

    I’m so glad to hear so much talk from zyzzyg about all the positive work and successes of President Fred Thompson.

    What? you say????

    You mean Fred Thompson isn’t President?

  90. #190
    On October 31st, 2009 at 8:18 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 4:04 pm, JHSII said: #833269

    I’m so glad to hear so much talk from zyzzyg about all the positive work and successes of President Fred Thompson.

    What? you say????

    You mean Fred Thompson isn’t President?

    But according to zyzzyg once you withdraw from an election it means you’ve won!!

    You are a liar.

    Cut and paste where I said such a thing.

  91. #191
    On October 31st, 2009 at 8:28 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 3:58 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said: #833266

    As to your question, if that is what it takes to get rid of them then it’s fine by me!

    That is unfortunate, because it means you support someone who would violate their vow and pledge to live with and accept the outcome of a vote. There is no better definition of a sore loser looking to take a second bite of the apple after loosing a primary and then running in the general. And, you would support such a character? That is unfortunate.

  92. #192
    On October 31st, 2009 at 8:29 pm, JHSII said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 8:18 pm, zyzzyg said:

    You are a liar.

    Cut and paste where I said such a thing.

    You’re a troll. I was simply pointing out your disingenuousness. You can’t have it both ways.

  93. #193
    On October 31st, 2009 at 8:34 pm, purplepeep said:

    Flyoverman said:

    I love the smell of scorched RINO’s in the morning.

    It smells like VICTORY.

    Add to that the smell of scorched Dems come Wednesday morning and we got a twofer victory, FlyMan!

  94. #194
    On October 31st, 2009 at 8:38 pm, purealchemy said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 7:16 pm, Flyoverman said:
    I love the smell of scorched RINO’s in the morning.

    It smells like VICTORY.

    That is so inspiring I might need to dig out my fan and smelling salts.

  95. #195
    On October 31st, 2009 at 8:42 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 6:05 pm, txvet2 said: #833318

    is concerned, a moment’s thought would have been beneficial, and you might have realized that her state district is only a small part of the US Congressional district, and may very well be one of the more liberal areas of the US district. So what? They’re welcomed to her (but I bet she has trouble getting re-elected now that people are aware of her voting record). By the way, it’s “constituent”. I normally don’t correct spelling, but it hurts my eyes and it bruises that “erudite” image you try to project.

    Then we are in agreement. Scozzafava’s true test will be her getting re-elected, whatever the size of her district. Was it really necessary to add that qualification?

    As for spelling, I did not notice until you pointed it out, but I spelled the offensive causing word incorrectly, and twice in one paragraph. But, no it is not nesseceray to add that qualification to your observation of my spelling.

    Thanks anyway.

  96. #196
    On October 31st, 2009 at 8:49 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    From the LATimes…

    Conservative Doug Hoffman forces GOP choice out of Tuesday’s House race in N.Y.

    “The age of party leaders picking people is over,” Gingrich told Politico Saturday.

    Link

  97. #197
    On October 31st, 2009 at 8:56 pm, zyzzyg said:

    On October 31st, 2009 at 8:29 pm, JHSII said: #833362

    You’re a troll. I was simply pointing out your disingenuousness. You can’t have it both ways.

    And, you remain a liar.

    Don’t post what you can’t substantiate.

    Go ahead and be evasive. Avoid confronting the direct question. Now you say that I am being disingenuous.

    Prove it.

    This time try cutting and pasting something to support your assertions. Otherwise, stop throwing verbal grenades because it is unhelpful.

    You are a grenade throwing liar.

    Oh yeah, the pejoratives are less than helpful, too. Calling people names does not advance the discussion or support your arguemnets.

  98. #198
    On October 31st, 2009 at 8:57 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    Sorry folks…just trying to stay on topic here…

  99. #199
    On October 31st, 2009 at 9:04 pm, Pixel_Dust_1776 said:

    …..and the topic is Dede is out!!!
    Newt?………you can try, but your faced is being rubbed all over Dede’s leftovers.
    I love that quote:
    I love the smell of a RINO being Napalmed early in the morning!
    The Aroma of resurging Conservatism.

    Off with their heads and toss them at the feet of Graham and McCain!

    OOOOOOORRRRAAGH!

    Rio
    Semper Fi!
    Do or Die!!

  100. #200
    On October 31st, 2009 at 9:05 pm, Jeff2161 said:

    “The age of party leaders picking people is over,” Gingrich told Politico Saturday.

    Wake up call to RNCC

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