Radical leftist GOP candidate Dede Scozzafava quits
Finally: The spoiler exits the race.
Stacy McCain has the scoop:
Just confirmed that Republican candidate Dede Scozzafava has quit the race. Speaking to supporters, Scozzafava broke down in tears.
UPDATE: Scozzafava, the hand-picked choice of the New York state GOP in the key 23rd District special election, reportedly will throw her support to Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman.
Scozzafava’s withdrawal came shortly after a new Siena College poll was released this morning, showing her in third place, with Hoffman neck-and-neck with Democrat Bill Owens.
Hey, GOP elites: Can you hear conservatives NOW?!
Ed Morrissey at Hot Air has the latest Siena Poll that doomed Scozzafava and adds:
This confirms the basic thrust of the three earlier polls, and especially the Daily Kos poll, which got the ranking of the candidates and the distribution of the vote almost exactly correct. Scozzafava has seen her negatives explode, while her two opponents have only become more accepted as they became more well known. She has no chance of winning this race, and her withdrawal leaves Hoffman with the Republican vote whether she endorses him or not.
Will the NRCC shift gears and start buying ads supporting Hoffman in the final three days of this race?
Just think of all those wasted NRCC/RNC dollars spent on the ACORN-Friendly, Big Labor-Backing, Tax-and-Spend, Margaret Sanger Award-Winning Radical in GOP Clothing.
Shame.
Help Doug Hoffman for Congress now.
***
More: 73wire on the campaign trail has Scozzafava’s farewell message:
In recent days, polls have indicated that my chances of winning this election are not as strong as we would like them to be. The reality that I’ve come to accept is that in today’s political arena, you must be able to back up your message with money—and as I’ve been outspent on both sides, I’ve been unable to effectively address many of the charges that have been made about my record. But as I’ve said from the start of this campaign, this election is not about me, it’s about the people of this District. And, as always, today I will do what I believe serves their interests best.
It is increasingly clear that pressure is mounting on many of my supporters to shift their support. Consequently, I hereby release those individuals who have endorsed and supported my campaign to transfer their support as they see fit to do so. I am and have always been a proud Republican. It is my hope that with my actions today, my Party will emerge stronger and our District and our nation can take an important step towards restoring the enduring strength and economic prosperity that has defined us for generations.
On Election Day my name will appear on the ballot, but victory is unlikely. To those who support me – and to those who choose not to – I offer my sincerest thanks.
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out!
As of 11:13am Eastern, no comment from Scozzafava endorser Newt Gingrich.
The Watertown Daily Times reports:
Ms. Scozzafava told the Watertown Daily Times that Siena Research Institute poll numbers show her too far behind to catch up – and she lacks enough money to spend on advertising in the last three days to make a difference. Mr. Owens has support from 36 percent of likely voters in the poll, with Mr. Hoffman garnering 35 percent support. Ms. Scozzafava has support from 20 percent of those polled.
The Gouverneur resident said she thinks she will receive more than 20 percent of the vote, based on several factors, including her performance during a Thursday debate.
***
Thank you, Sarah Palin.
Thank you, Tea Party activists, Club for Growth, and RedState.
Update: Johnny-come-lamely Newt Gingrich endorses Hoffman.
Update from reader Paul:
My name is Paul Brock. I live in Rochester NY and took the five hour drive up to Saranac Lake last Tuesday to see how I could help the Hoffman campaign. I planned on staying a day maybe two but ended up staying till Friday at 11:30 am. I wanted to write you a quick note and let you know that I have never been ACTIVE in any political campaign. After reading many of your articles and Sarah Palin’s facebook page, I knew it was time to get off the couch! What I found when I arrived was a lot of very gracious,extremely busy people. I was able to jump right in and working with Dougs sister Sandie, we were able to accomplish an enormous amount of processing of contributions. The donations were just beyond anyone’s imagination. The letters brought tears to my eyes. The stories of people who have never donated, one person who had bought some neccessities at Walmart and then returned them so he could send a money order for $25.00. The elderly people who are so very afraid for their grandchildren and great grandchildren.
I am not a political kind of person, but I know that helping this campaign is the right thing to do. I have three children, one who is a former navy sailor, another who is still in the navy and a sixteen year old daughter(who has morals and values and ethics!). I fear for their future with this current administration. I know I am not the only one.
The reason for this email is to ask you to keep this story alive for Mr. Hoffman. Keep your readers aware and if possible, keep directing them to Doug’s website to contribute. ALL the support he gets will help guarantee our country a much needed victory.
On a side note, tomorrow I have been asked to go to Syracuse to pick up Captain Scott O’Grady from the airport. He was the pilot shot down in Bosnia in 1995. I get to be his sidekick for two days. How blessed am I?
Again, thank you for the work you do and please continue to spread the word for the Hoffman campaign. The contributions are so necessary and so much appreciated……
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On October 31st, 2009 at 4:04 pm, JHSII said: #833269
I’m so glad to hear so much talk from zyzzyg about all the positive work and successes of President Fred Thompson.
What? you say????
You mean Fred Thompson isn’t President?
You are a liar.
Cut and paste where I said such a thing.
That is unfortunate, because it means you support someone who would violate their vow and pledge to live with and accept the outcome of a vote. There is no better definition of a sore loser looking to take a second bite of the apple after loosing a primary and then running in the general. And, you would support such a character? That is unfortunate.
On October 31st, 2009 at 8:18 pm, zyzzyg said:
You’re a troll. I was simply pointing out your disingenuousness. You can’t have it both ways.
Add to that the smell of scorched Dems come Wednesday morning and we got a twofer victory, FlyMan!
That is so inspiring I might need to dig out my fan and smelling salts.
Then we are in agreement. Scozzafava’s true test will be her getting re-elected, whatever the size of her district. Was it really necessary to add that qualification?
As for spelling, I did not notice until you pointed it out, but I spelled the offensive causing word incorrectly, and twice in one paragraph. But, no it is not nesseceray to add that qualification to your observation of my spelling.
Thanks anyway.
From the LATimes…
Link
And, you remain a liar.
Don’t post what you can’t substantiate.
Go ahead and be evasive. Avoid confronting the direct question. Now you say that I am being disingenuous.
Prove it.
This time try cutting and pasting something to support your assertions. Otherwise, stop throwing verbal grenades because it is unhelpful.
You are a grenade throwing liar.
Oh yeah, the pejoratives are less than helpful, too. Calling people names does not advance the discussion or support your arguemnets.
Sorry folks…just trying to stay on topic here…
…..and the topic is Dede is out!!!
Newt?………you can try, but your faced is being rubbed all over Dede’s leftovers.
I love that quote:
I love the smell of a RINO being Napalmed early in the morning!
The Aroma of resurging Conservatism.
Off with their heads and toss them at the feet of Graham and McCain!
OOOOOOORRRRAAGH!
Rio
Semper Fi!
Do or Die!!
Wake up call to RNCC
I see zyzzyg deliberately misses my point to get in a slew of attacks against me.
When you have to deliberately ignore the point someone else made to begin firing off a bunch of invectives against them then all it proves is that they were right in the first place.
Nothing new here.
Hi, Jeff,
Happy Halloween!
Apparently, although you obviously didn’t understand it. We not only are not in agreement, we’re not even on the same page. One more time – It’s fine that she represents the constituency of her state district, if in fact she does. That will play out in the next state election. However, her state district isn’t the same as the US Representative’s district – in fact, it’s only a small part of it, and not necessarily representative of the politics of the entire district. Her politics are far too liberal for the rest of the US district, as her declining poll number demonstrate.
Ditto, you know me…always trying a topical post now and then. Are you dressing up for the holiday?
I live in Minnesota and the only money I have contributed politically this year was to Michele Bachmann. I love her!
Strong conservatives are great, in Minnesota you need the balance compared to some real libs.
I used to live in St. Louis Park, a suburb of Minneapolis.
From WAPO…
More like a MINO…Moderate in name only…
I would if I had a bigger place to throw a grand Halloween party.
For now, making Reuben sandwiches and watching “Batman Forever”.
Hopefully, there will be enough time for Hoffman and Dede to make an appearance together to move the party forward.
Dede may not be my vision of a typical Republican, but she’s more than welcome to share her perspectives with others in the party.
Yep, she has been revealed as a liberal Republican. Yes, her legislative district is smaller than the congressional district. We agree on this, correct?
If Scozzafava is re-elected does it mean her constituents like what she is doing for them? Yes, or no? Is that the test, or isn’t it? Do you agree that is the test, or not?
I doubt Scozzafava could win Statewide in NY. Yep, larger than a single congressional district. In this case size does not matter, re-election does. That is the only question. And, that is what I asked.
You may offer as many qualifications (district size) as you want. Having been exposed, the test of Scozzafava will be if she is re-elected. Period.
Do you agree, or don’t you?
That is eloquent yet, a little sad…No tricksters stopped by tonight? It just started here in Phoenix.
I did a roast and potatoes with gravy..Making home-made soup tomorrow.
You have made no point. In fact you do not have a point.
First you say that I said something that I did not say. I challenged you to prove it. Of course you did not, because it did not happen. Yep, making false accusations is a lie. You made a false accusation, therefore you are a liar.
Ummmm, what is your point? You asserted that I said something that I did not say. Where is the point in your accusation?
Whether you noticed or not, I am very deliberate, and cut and paste every word from whoever comments on what I say. Do you? Are you deliberate? Obviously not because you throw out inaccuracies like soiled kleenex.
And, I truly had no expectation that you would provide anything new, especially substantiation of your assertions. No direct response to a direct question, just some tangental response about disingenuousness.
Asked to prove that particular charge, what is the response? No explanation, again. The response I do get is, ‘woe is me. I am misunderstood. Invectives.’ And, this from someone who calls others trolls.
It is apparent that you can dish it out, but can’t take it.
Your words, from your Post #833269, once again -
“But according to zyzzyg once you withdraw from an election it means you’ve won!!”
One last time, prove it. Make your point.
If you don’t, then you remain a liar.
zyzzyg is either too stupid to understand the point I made, or else he is deliberately ignoring it.
In the first case there is no point in explaining it because he wouldn’t understand my explanation just as he doesn’t understand the point.
In the second – and more likely case – a further explanation of my point would be just as useless because he would deliberately ignore the explanation just as he has deliberately ignored the point.
Therefore the question is: Should I try again to explain something that everyone else gets, or should should I pretty much ignore troll-boy’s visceral attacks on me until he proves that he can respond in a mature, intelligent manner?
I’ll take option 2.
Awwww, poor baby.
Newt is the establishment…he was one of the first to shove Sozzafava to the forefront and refused to recognize the mood of the little people.
Even when he became aware of the mood, he dismissed it with his talk of a big tent.
As for representing conservative values, Newt chose not to represent them with his support of someone so far removed from those values.
Go away Newt. Stay away.
The greatest thing about this is that DeDe said she does not have enough money to continue the campaign. I doubt the Conservative Party of New York was able to donate much money, so Hoffman is being supported by mostly campaign contributions from the people. This must mean Conservatives are getting organized. Thank you Palin, I see now why the left was blowing a gasket over her.
I hope he doesn’t. His very presence in Congress would be a desperately needed continuous rebuke to the GOP if he stays where he is.
“Rep. Doug Hoffman (C-NY)”. That’s somethinig I want to see in print.
I will be watching for any person who registers as a Republican but who’s policies and background reflect the radical left.
I could never believe anything, but that this woman was a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I sincerely hope this isn’t an example of the radicals new moves to take power. I wouldn’t put anything past them. Therefore, I will never trust anyone who spouts any kind of Marxist or Communist rhetoric.
Nope. You have no point. I have called you a liar. And, you are. You can not prove your assertion.
I have repeated my assertion, that you are a liar, because I believe it. If you have a point, be proud of it and repeat it.
Grow a pair and prove what you said about me is true. You can’t because you are a liar.
We are obviously engaged and I am responding to your every word. Therefore I am not ignoring anything.
Now there is no point. LOL. How convenient for you. You do not even understand your point because you never made one. If you ever had a point, you would have explained it long ago.
Heck, you don’t even have to explain your point. Not that you have one. But, you could merely cut and paste it. You could even say what the post # is, but you can’t because you never made a point, short of lying about what I said.
No, don’t explain what you never said. And, more importantly, don’t hide behind everyone else. I searched this thread looking for where anyone who said they agreed with you, about me saying what you said I said in your Post #833269. Guess what? I did not notice anyone supporting your assertion.
You are lying again. Unless, of course, you can cut and paste proof.
Yes, please ignore me. And, do not comment on what I have to say. Especially. if you are not prepared to substantiate it with facts.
Yes, you are, and remain, a liar. I have no problem repeating my point. Why do you?
Oh, that is right, you do not have one.
Outspent by Hoffman?
Yeah right. I’d love to see that link.
If the Republicans don’t see where this is leading, they definitely deserve their demise. Sadly, I have serious doubts.
By the way, who was it that was saying people should be voting for the Republican here?
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Amen.
The Republicans need to take this race seriously, as it is more than a mere shot across the bow. they have used conservatives to get their way for far too long. If they are going to win us back, they are going to have to become us.
End of story.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
With regards to Chap,
This is not a time to chide our liberal friend, folks. Everyone who ventures to make a prediction or wallow in a situation (such as Chap laughing about how Hoffman was helping the Democrat) risks being wrong. Here is a post where I predicted Al Franken’s Senate run. I made a big joke of the whole thing, but even though I didn’t outright predict he’d lose, I did imply it enough to make liberals want to see my arse get handed to me. My 2005 prediction that the Republicans would turn conservative has been largely sucker-punched by the very Republicans I was showing optimism for.
Chap’s success as a commentor is not mesured by the accuracy of his predictions, but the degree to which he successfully engages us in debate. On that I give him about a 65%, which is not too shabby for someone who usually presents an opposing position.
On that note, I say GO DOUG, and if he wins Tuesday, I think he may have mixed things up enough to run him for President at some point, depending upon his interest and his ability to play the proper role in stopping the socialists in the Republican and Democrat parties.
Thatisall.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
GOP, ARE YOU LISTENING NOW?
You gunkies…
More attacks from zyzzyg because he can’t refute my point.
And what does he accomplish by continuing to attack me?
Nothing. (At least nothing positive in regards to him)
He says that he searched the entire thread. This indicates to me that, rather than not understanding my point, he deliberately chose to ignore it. That’s fine with me.
What that indicates, again, is that it doesn’t matter if I try to explain to him or not – he’ll just deliberately ignore the explanation just as he ignored the original point.
He’ll follow this post with another long-winded diatribe attacking me. Remember when I posted: “or should should I pretty much ignore troll-boy’s visceral attacks on me until he proves that he can respond in a mature, intelligent manner?” It’s up to him.
The astute observer will notice something about where this post is directed. Let’s see who doesn’t figure it out.
With regards to the actual topic at hand – It will be interesting to see if the GOP does actually listen.
Historically Conservatives have won over liberals. Will the GOP realize that it’s time to “reach out” to Conservatives rather than “reaching out” to liberals … a la John McCain????
Prove it. If you can’t cut and paste proof, then you are a liar.
Whew, zyzzyg kept his rant down to a single line. I guess the troll at least tried to read what I posted.
Of course he failed the reading comprehension part. LMAO
May I suggest giving Obama some credit for this groundswell of conservatism for showing the American public what true liberalism looks like?
Reaganism. It’s not dead, it just continues to work every time it’s tried
Zyzzyg is dumb. Mouthy but dumb.
Someone with no qualms about twisting what another poster has said can seem smart ….. especially to himself.
For instance, you have no need to “prove” zyzzyg said if you withdraw from an election that means you’ve won. You were making fun of his obvious idiocy in not recognizing Hoffman had beaten Scozzafava. It was obvious you were just making fun of his ridiculous position, pointing it out to him in a way you thought might penentrate his thick skull.
He twisted that by pretending your words were meant to be taken literally and then calling you a liar. Repeatedly and vociferously.
That is the kind of thing trolls do. That is what makes them trolls. You can’t have a real conversation with them.
I know you knew all of that, but the casual reader might not.
Of course the age of the GOP party leadership picking the Republican candidates is over. Obviously, that task is now firmly in the hands of the Democrat party as we saw in the last presidential election…
At least Scozzafava did the right thing. I wonder how badly the Republicans in Congress will treat Hoffman once he gets to DC? I wonder how much money they are already raising for his left-wing, RINO challenger in 2012?
Not even going to bother. That is your opinion.
Whose words did I twist? Another unsubstantiated assertion. I cut and pasted an assertion by JHSII, and challenged him (or her) to prove it.
I would ask you you to prove that I twisted another’s posters words, but I suspect that you are much like JHSII, and will not.
LOL. You got all that from Post #833269?
Niether Hoffman or Scozzafava were mentioned in that post. And, exactly what is my position? Do you even know? Do you know who first suggested that you can beat someone without counting a vote?
Moreover, if . . . and, this is a mighty big if, if that was JHSII’s point why didn’t she (he) say so? If my skull is so thick and I am dumb, as you suggest, why didn’t JHSII spell it out? Why did JHSII continue to say the point was made (eventhough it never was)? You have said more about Post #833269 than JHSII.
And, what was JHSII’s response to my challenge to prove what was said in that post? JHSII took a tangent, avoided a direct response, and called me disingenuous.
Yep, I bit and asked that that be proven, too. Gues what? No direct response to a direct challenge.
I understand you wanting to provide solace to JHSII, but exactly what did I twist?
Listen, if JHSII’s intent was to suggest ’sarcasm’ it could have been later explained as such in a subsequent post, because the original post suggested no such thing. Yes, absent any indication that I should not take the assertion literally, I took it literally. There was no reason not to.
Oh please. What is your idea of a real conversation? How about this – Asking and answering questions, directly. Providing backup to your assertions. No tangents, deflections or misdirections. Not to mention calling people names.
I don’t doubt that JHSII knew all that, and unfortunately it was never articulated by JHSII. It was necessary for you to do so. JHSII tucked tail and ran.
Based on your take of what JHSII wrote, the two of you are on some sort of shared psychic telepathy that the casual reader does not have. So be it.
It was extremely kind of you to mount a logical response for JHSII, but it fell flat. JHSII had ample opportunity to explain, expand and revise her (his) remarks, but did not.
Until JHSII substantiates, or retracts, the assertion made in Post #833269, JHSII remains a liar, literally.
On November 1st, 2009 at 9:29 am, JHSII
Guys; borrowing a phrase from Blindmule, RetFireman, and Soaps-“Don’t Feed the Trolls!”
GSP
Tis a far far better thing she has done than she has ever done before. Throwing her support to Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman was a fine thing to do.
We of the Right-as in the Correct-have again shown we do not need to go along with the weaklings. Write those letters, make those calls and withhold money and the Grand PooBahs will listen. Our fellow Conservatives in NY-23 must be feeling a bit of relief this fine day.
And if we must Feed the Trolls feed them to the alligators
On November 1st, 2009 at 9:56 am, Roland said:
Roland, you’re exactly correct – which is why zyzzyg has now turned on you!
I think zyzzyg has a problem Tammy Bruce identifies as “malignant narcissism” which renders him virtually incapable of actual/honest discussion. No surprise here.
What wonderful news! Hopefully there will be even more on 11/3! Semper Fi and God bless America – there is a light at the end of the tunnel thanks to conservatives (especially our MM!)
Wonderful: The liberal Scozzafava Urges Supporters to Vote for Democrat
http://bit.ly/M9g8O
Revenge and spite are not very becoming of a former candidate. Good riddance.
Gosh – I can hardly contain my excitement! The Tea Party is in the ascendancy!
Hail, Satan! Soon the rest of the country will bow down and worship you!
You are obviously confused. I have not turned on anyone. I have responded to to Roland’s post. Roland initiated and placed herself (himself) in to the conversation. Correct, or incorrect?
I know. I know. Yet, another question that you will not respond to.
Stop ‘thinking’ and start ‘knowing.’
But, yes this is your modus operandi. Taking another tangent. Adding a reference to Tammy Bruce to this thread is yet another deflection and diversion by you to avoid addressing the original question.
And, what is your definition of an honest discussion? Does it include asking and answering direct questions?Does it include providing backup to your assertions. Does it include tangents, deflections or misdirections. Does your definition include not calling people names?
Darn it, I did it again. I asked a question that you will not answer.
And, I will definitely be surprised if you actually cut and paste a question, then provide a direct answer.
Yeah, let’s have a conversation. You can start with, pointing out where I have said, “once you withdraw from an election it means you’ve won!!”
LOL
Ditto
Correct.
This confrontational, contradictory troll at the same time reminds me of:
Monty Python’s argument clinic sketch; in which Michael Palin expects a (reasoned, debate-like) argument from John Cleese; but gets only silly, simple, juvenile contradiction instead;
http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&source=hp&q=monty+python+argument+sketch&um=1&ie=UTF-
and of:
Bill “B.J.” Clinton, in the way he would twist words, acting like he was in a sophistic courtroom instead of in the real world.
Of Clinton, I early on got the impression that if had stolen a fellow student’s pen, and if his fellow student suspected him: that, outside of school, with friends around them, the fellow student might ask BJ,
“Do you have my pen?”
If BJ, who had taken the pen, did not have it on his person at that time; he could answer, truthfully in the courtroom sense, “No”.
The friend, later establishing conclusively somehow that BJ did in fact take the pen, later confronts BJ:
“You took my pen. You lied to me.”
BJ: “No, I didn’t lie.
You never asked me if I took your pen.
You asked me if I had it; and I didn’t have it.”
“You asked the wrong question.”
Which, in the courtroom, would be a “true” statement…sophistic, but technically, courtroom-wise, true;
whereas, in the real world, say, on the playground, BJ would have gotten a deserved rap in the mouth and would have been knocked on his a$$.
LOL?
I better understand each of your definitions of conversation. Thanks.
Channeling Pat Pulling… Channeling Pat Pulling…
If we must Feed the Trolls please feed them to the alligators
Has Scuzzy thrown her support to Owens?
I’m glad that Scozzfava bowed out. About freakin’ time! When only a few hand pick you instead of consulting the actual VOTERS of the district, what does that say about the local GOP? And for Zyzzyg to say that Hoffman broke his “pledge” because he didn’t honor the results of the “hand-picking” is beyond disengenuousness. What is this, elementary school?
A note to Zyzzyg: antagonizing posters and speculating on Hoffman’s “broken promises” really gets you nowhere. If you want to bait people that’s your business but let’s not call it a “direct conversation.” A “direct conversation” is having a chat with someone face to face… not on the internet where everyone is anonymous.
Why don’t we stick to discussing the topic at hand? And better yet…. Zyzzyg… get over yourself.
Yes. Officially.
It says it is a special election and you don’t have time for a primary.
glenn beck has a book jhsII needs to read called “arguing with idiots” subtitle peeing into the wind. you CAN’T communicate with the kool aid drinkers. they will have to grow up on their own. if they ever leave their parents basement and start a job that pays taxes, MAYBE they will see the light. but as long as they stay in their cozy cocoon, why bother. this is why our BRILLIANT founding fathers only allowed land owners to vote.
Scuzzy’s true colors come out:
The NY GOP (and Newt) couldn’t tell a Rino from a pidgeon.
Well, she showed her true colors. Democrats thought they could pull a fast one; put Rinos up for election. She was nothing but a democrat running as a republican, to sway a normally republican district to a democrat one. How phoney!!
This is utter BS on your part. It’s been known for some time that McHugh would be picked to be Army Secretary and the local GOP knew it. They had time to at least put out feelers to the district voters as to who would be preferrable. If you do the proper planning, and listen to the voters or make an attempt to, you don’t get people like Scozzafava.
You MAKE the time, you DO the preparations, things that the local GOP could’ve cared less about. Anything that is easy and expedient is okay by them. This is why NY is so messed up… because the parties and voters do what’s EXPEDIENT and EASY then what’s RIGHT.
When you have a Congressional Representative like Maurice Hinchy who’s been your Congress critter for over 30 years, we’ll talk. You don’t have to be from the district to know the issues and know how national trends also shape those issues. Hinchy doesn’t have a clue what the hell is going on in my former district. All I know is that farmers have become a dying species and Hinchy has overseen that.
Excuse-making is not your thing, Chaps.
Just in at Fox news
Republican Scozzafava Endorses Democrat After Exiting N.Y. Congressional Race
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/01/scozzafava-endorses-democrat-dropping-ny-congressional-race/
What a big surprise!
Actually, New York State law does not ALLOW for a primary in a special election. And Scozzafava was a well known name in the district for many years. She won 7 state assembly elections in a sub part of NY-23. Maybe they underestimated her actual level of support in the rest of the district but she was a successful REPUBLICAN who was nominated by the REPUBLICAN party. What a shocker.
Okay. Problem is Hoffman has shown zero knowledge of the local issues.
Boy did Newt back the wrong horse in this race!
And I am curious, emjem, about what poll you think the Republicans should have put out ahead of their selection to get a feel for the pulse of the District.
Sample question:
1. Are you more likely to vote for Dede Scozzafava or a yet unnamed democrat in the upcoming special election?
2. How would you feel about Ms. Scozzafava, a seven-time assemblywoman, if a disgruntled Republican who was not chosen, decides to run his own campaign, gets the endorsement of the Conservative Party, causes a media firestorm and draws support and money from prominent conservatives across the country, thus splitting the vote and endangering a district Republicans have held for over a century?
Yes, emjem. You are right. I can’t imagine why the local GOP folks didn’t have better information before they chose Dede. If only they had asked the simple questions.
Yep.
You beat me to it.
I am well aware of this. How much work did the party put into selecting a QUALITY candidate? Not just a well-recognized name but somebody who shares the same political profile as the constituency? How much work went into discussing whether or not she would have even made a QUALITY candidate? You have not addressed this.
And you do? How do you know? Do you have link?
I don’t even live in this district and I already know that it faces similar problems to the ones in Upstate New York: Jobs, Jobs, Jobs. Propping up Fort Drum. Propping up the dying dairy industry. Attracting federal investment and pork.
Not something to be proud of but if you live in this district and think this is normal procedure… go for it. If you have some modicum of integrity how ’bout actually finding homegrown alternatives to federal cash cows?
Of course not…. that’s too hard and requires working brain cells and functioning neurons. Yet another reason New York is going the way of California.
Be proud, Chaps, very proud.
Well this proves Michelle, Rush, Glenn and all here who are true conservaties were right. A skunk is a nice looking little critter, but get too close and you will give you their true colors. Those, like newt, who have not had the skunk ‘give it to them’ are getting it now. The old good boys ’stink’. I just pray late Tue. or Wed. WE come out on top.
L
Now that Scozzafava has come out openly for Owens, don’t you feel just a tad foolish…chapoutier?
Will you now argue that GOP voters should “submit to party discipline by voting liberal Democrat?
IOW Will you demand that Republicans now vote for the Dem candidate?
BWAAahahahahahahaaaa!!!
As for Hoffman being sneered at as a “little tax accountant”, I wonder if the troll who said that felt the same way about the “little community organizer” and the “little SNL comedian” when they first ran for national office.
If he didn’t (which is what I suspect) he should get back to his cardboard box under the bridge while it’s still warm.
Regardless of the election result…I want the conservatives, or at least a non-Dhimmicrat to win, I think we have made some inroads…not a total inroad…in fact just the beginning.
BUT it is sad and confusing how we have been so complicit in giving away what we all thought and what we all stood for 30 years ago.
OH, excuuuuuuse me. A RINO just endorsed a Dhimmicrat.
Isn’t it great to be a part of the give-away GOP any terms party.?
But I left in 1972. So Solly, Mr. Whiteman..
Every voter in NY needs to burn this into their memory. Every voter in America whose position is Conservative or even moderate Republican needs to burn this into their memory.
The party hierarchy ignored their hand-picked candidates record, shoveled money at her then whined when others pointed out her record, refused to support her and demanded answers from the party elite who supported her.
Any politician at any level who had a hand in trying to foist this farce on the voters should explain what their response is to taking donations, giving them to this radical leftist and seeing her throw her support behind the democrat.
This disgusting crap has gone on long enough with McCain and Graham, Collins and Snowe and many others. Wake the hell up, support the party you belong to or get out and join the jackass party!
All RINOs eventually show their true colors.
Uh, no. It says good ol boy, backroom, arrogant party politics is alive and well.
Not having time to vet candidates records and deciding whether they have the principles worthy of support should not take more than a day.
I heard the Phoenix Zoo’s alligators are getting a little hungry baking in the Arizona dessert in Papago Park! Or maybe give them to Mabel the gorilla for a little playtime activity.
GSP
Can I add the NY Republican Committee to an ever growing list of people that should be ignored? And besides that, the list to never ever be heard from again?
No, it doesn’t.
fulldrool,
Why would I feel foolish? This is your civil war, not mine. And where did I say voters should submit to party duscipline? You are posting even less coherently than usual.
I am reminded of Arlen Specter, only Dede had the good sense to do her betrayal before the election.
Yes, it does.
Touche!!
Then why do you behave as such an officious intermeddler offering stupid and inaccurate comments?
the term “rhetorical question” eludes you. Besides, I said “Republicans”, not “voters”.
Yeah, next thing you know I might be challenging you to back your ridiculous
claim that tort reform would cut “only” one or two percent off medical costs (off a 2.5 trillion total).
What this clearly shows is that there are far too many Democrats masquerading as Republicans, and then turning their back on the Party when it is no longer convenient to be a Republican. There are simply so many Scozzis that it is going to take a long time to clean house.
I think Gingrich knows that the RINOs are no longer running the Republican Party and he also knows that there can easily be a third Party movement if substantive change is not made – realignment is underway and it isn’t a pretty sight to the Republican leaders because they can’t predict the outcome. To me, Gingrich was trying to find an negotiated way to maintain Party discipline, but that is no longer acceptable to a Republican base who has seen the debacle created by compassionate conservatism and the constant claims of fiscal conservatism that are a sham to get elected.
Which comment do you feel was inaccurate? Use your words like a big boy.
So does any semblance of a point you may have.
I never said that. I said it would cut far less. In Texas, where tort reform was comprehensive and has been highly successful in lowering malpractice claims, health care costs are still going up as much as the rest of the country. Shocker, I know. Feel free to actually provide evidence that I am wrong I don’t know why you would start now, but I always welcome the opportunity to see what you can provide. But not here. Go on one of the other threads if you want to continue this discussion.
Civil War? Meaning between Republicans? Isn’t there a Democrat in this race?
Actually sounds like there were 2 Democrats in the race.
Gosh, now that Dede has endorsed the Democrat in NY-23, who frankly is to the right of Dede on many issues, I wonder who Newt will endorse? I wonder if the RNC will throw tons of money at the Democrats to help elect Owens?
I wonder what broom closet Hoffman will call his office when he gets to DC? Like I said, the GOP is probably already preparing another left-wing idiot to run against Hoffman in 2010. Hoffman is likely to be a very lonely man in DC. Maybe I he will meet some of the nice folks at 214 Mass Avenue, NE.
I wonder if the Dems are now laughing their butts off over the fact that Dede spent hundreds of thousands of Republican money only to end up endorsing the DEMOCRAT candidate. This is the political equivalent of torching the proverbial bag of dog manure on the front steps of the national and state GOP offices. I can just see Newt and Michael coming out and stomping on that flaming bag. Trick or treat!
I wonder if Michael Steele, Newt Gingrich and their buddies in Washington, DC will get the message? What am I thinking. It will take more than this to make them nominate and support conservatives…
(holding hands over ears) Mommy! Make it stop!
“…oh crikey, there went my book sales – hey really, I really meant Hoffman, no really…”