How Scozzafava repays NRCC and RNC

By Michelle Malkin  •  November 1, 2009 05:54 PM

Hey, how did that six-figure RNC donation to the NRCC plus $85,000 to the New York GOP plus nearly half-million-dollar investment in advertising and other independent expenditures on behalf of radical leftist Dede Scozzafava work out?

She repaid the GOP by endorsing Democrat candidate Bill Owens. Some gratitude, eh?

“Since beginning my campaign, I have told you that this election is not about me; it’s about the people of this District,” Scozzafava wrote in an e-mail sent to supporters this afternoon.

“It is in this spirit that I am writing to let you know I am supporting Bill Owens for Congress and urge you to do the same.”

I repeat: One thing is guaranteed at the conclusion of the NY-23 special congressional election: The Beltway Republicans who endorsed radical leftist Dede Scozzafava are going to have indelible egg stains on their faces. And GOP establishment fund-raising organizations will be the poorer for it.

Suckers.

***

TCOT Report: “The NRCC and RNC Just Spent $1 Million on Dede Scozzafava. This is their reward.”

The shadow of Big Labor looms:

At 10 p.m. last night – right in the middle of the Halloween festivities – Scozzafava’s husband, Ron McDougall, president of the Jefferson/Lewis/St. Lawrence Central Labor Council issued a statement through the AFL-CIO that he is endorsing Owens against Conservative candidate Doug Hoffman.

According to his statement, it basically all comes down to support of the labor movement’s top priority, the Employee Free Choice Act and its controversial card-check provision, which Owens and Scozzafava supported – much to the chagrin of the right – and Hoffman pointedly does not.

“This has been a difficult day for my family. But the needs and concerns of the men and women of the 23rd Congressional District remain paramount,” McDougall said. “As such, I wholeheartedly and without reservation endorse the candidacy of Bill Owens.”

“As a life-long labor activist, I know that Bill Owens understands the issues important to working people. On the other hand, Doug Hoffman has little regard for the interests of workers.”

“Hoffman’s opposition to the Employee Free Choice Act, coupled with his support for the failed policies of the Bush Administration make him a poor choice to serve the citizens of the 23rd Congressional District.”

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  1. #833836
    On November 1st, 2009 at 11:43 pm, Dan Lee said:

    On November 1st, 2009 at 11:06 pm, geb4000 said:

    Dede came out of the closet before the election. You have to respect that.

    No I don’t.. :)

  2. #833838
    On November 1st, 2009 at 11:55 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Roland,
    I think you owe Michelle an apology…

    On October 31st, 2009 at 11:30 am, Roland said:

    Don’t let the door hit you on the way out!

    Michelle, I am a admirer of your judgment and your blog, but it appears Scozzafava is doing the honorable thing. A little graciousness in victory might be in order.

    She did The Right Thing. For all of her flaws, with the chips down she has chosen Hoffman over Owens. There is no reason she could not have fought to the bitter end. With only three days to go it would have cost her nothing.

  3. #833839
    On November 1st, 2009 at 11:59 pm, Member-VRWC said:

    Conservatives who give money to giant organizations such as the RNC or United Way are pissing it away. It’s the same as buying a newspaper so you can do the crossword puzzle or clip the coupons or read the sports section. You’re still supporting the enemy.

    Are you telling me that if the RNC did the unthinkable and got behind Palin in 2012 that you’d send $ to them? Why? So they can use it to support dozens of RINOs elsewhere around the country. You want Palin to get some of your hard-earned money, then send it to her directly.

    The same with any other donation. Find people or organizations whose values you know are your own and donate directly to them. Screw the middleman because he sure as hell is screwing you.

  4. #833842
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 12:06 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    but it appears Scozzafava is doing the honorable thing

    Would that be one of those “appearances can be deceiving” things or merely nonsense? I imagine Benedict Arnold rationalized “he was doing the honorable thing”. For one I reserve graciousness in victory for those honorable in defeat and Scozzafava isn’t.


    Remember: Trolls/alligators

  5. #833846
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 12:34 am, WarEagle82 said:

    Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. And sometimes a left-wing weasel masquerading as a “moderate Republican” is just a socialist.

    Frankly, the perfect “moderate Republican” was Ronald Reagan and I doubt I will ever vote for anyone whose definition of “moderate” appears to be singularly limited to “moderation in upholding the constitutionally mandated restrictions on the size, scope and power of the federal government.”

    You can’t win by becoming the enemy and implementing their policies for them! The GOP has forgotten that they ever stood for anything.

  6. #833848
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 12:40 am, WarEagle82 said:

    Dede has done nothing honorable. She took money from the GOP even though she represented virtually everything the GOP claimed they didn’t want to implement. And when she was obviously losing, she spit in the faces of those people who had given her the money she needed and endorsed the Democrat candidate!

    I could have accepted that she just released her supporters to do what they thought best. But she couldn’t stop there and actually urged supporters to vote for Owens! Where is the honor in screwing the GOP idiots who supported her? This is pure malice and vindictiveness and pettiness.

  7. #833850
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 12:54 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    “Hoffman’s opposition to the Employee Free Choice Act, coupled with his support for the failed policies of the Bush Administration make him a poor choice to serve the citizens of the 23rd Congressional District.”

    Democratic Socialist talking points.

    Those worked in 2008 when many ignorant voters allowed the MSM to convince them that the failed policies of the Pelosi-Reid Congress were really the fault of Republicans.

    It won’t work in 2009 or 2010, when even the most ignorant voters know that the Democrats control the Presidency and both houses of Congress.

  8. #833851
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 12:58 am, Connie said:

    More than anything else, this is about gay marriage.

  9. #833856
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 1:16 am, happy2behere said:

    So glad I stopped gving to the RNC a few years ago. Instead we give directly to local candidates. Didn’t waste a dollar.

  10. #833871
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 4:20 am, graysonret said:

    This is a good reminder that you have to look at the candidates, and not the party. Voting across the board for one party or another can backfire on you. Scozzafava is a con artist who will use anyone and anything, if she feels it will help her into office. Once she dropped out of the race, her true colors showed.

  11. #833874
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 5:04 am, Roland said:

    On November 1st, 2009 at 11:55 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:
    Roland,
    I think you owe Michelle an apology…

    Obviously. I screwed up. At the time I wrote that it had been reported Scozzafava was going to endorse Hoffman. I mistakenly thought graciousness in victory was in order.

    I should have known better.

    Let that be a lesson to all of us who might think the kind of person who would support something as grossly anti-freedom as card check would ever do the honorable thing about anything.

    She was chosen by the GOP. She was funded by the GOP. The GOP took flak for supporting her, but it would not yield.

    So she drops out and throws her support to the very people (their competitors, the Democrat Party) the GOP leadership was trying to stop by supporting her.

    Pretty funny, really.

    Newt, that feeling between your shouldblades is a knife sticking in your back.

  12. #833875
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 5:16 am, Roland said:

    On November 1st, 2009 at 11:06 pm, chapoutier said:
    because she is pissed and Hoffman was less than gracious when she withdrew. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

    Is there any evidence of that? I haven’t seen whatever Hoffman said on the matter. Did he call her?

    If Hoffman was rude about her withdrawal, then perhaps my comment about graciousness in victory being in order wasn’t completely wrong after all.

    The point is, it never hurts.

    However, I still shouldn’t have made that criticism of our hostess, however respectfully. Making nice with a defeated enemy (as opposed to a defeated friendly adversary) is a political thing. Michelle is a political commentator, not a politician.

  13. #833878
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 5:37 am, frayed said:

    Newt sold out years ago while he was still in office. Read the book “Breach of Trust”, by Tom Coburn and you will see.

  14. #833880
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 5:56 am, CW4_KGP said:

    Hell hath no fury like a RINO Woman scorned.

    Glad to see her true colors showing, and as Michelle says : DLTDHYAOTWO

  15. #833897
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 7:38 am, Lindsay said:

    Dede is quite the class act (not).

    Just showing her true RINO colors.

    I can only hope this angers some of her supporters towards Hoffman.

  16. #833908
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 8:22 am, Socky said:

    Exactly as I predicted, the media are spinning this as an example of GOP intolerance toward “moderates.”

    Not how this AP report soft-peddles Scuzzyfava’s positions as “pro-abortion rights, pro-union rights” and spends most of the article quoting Democrats like David Axelrod and soft Republican squishes like Tom Davis.

  17. #833919
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 8:39 am, chapoutier said:

    Is there any evidence of that? I haven’t seen whatever Hoffman said on the matter. Did he call her?

    Compare and contrast Owens’ comment to Hoffman’s:

    “Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava has been an honorable public servant for years now and I have a tremendous amount of respect for her and her commitment to her principles. While we disagree on certain issues, we share a dedication to serving the best interests of Upstate New York and the Obama administration’s efforts to get our economy back on track. Those interests will always be my highest priority.”

    “This morning’s events prove what we have said for the last week; this campaign is a horserace between me and Nancy Pelosi’s handpicked candidate, Bill Owens. At this moment, the Democratic Party, the Working Families Party, ACORN, Big Labor and pro-abortion groups are flooding the district with troops and they are flooding the airwaves with a million dollars worth of negative ads. They are throwing mud; they are trying to stop me.”

  18. #833921
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 8:46 am, Savage24 said:

    I wonder how Newt is going to explain this. The sad thing here is you cannot even blame Scozzafava. Everybody knew what she was right from the get go. If you want to point fingers, point them at the RNC and NRCC and people like Newt.

  19. #833923
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 8:50 am, jangar said:

    If you want to point fingers, point them at the RNC and NRCC and people like Newt.

    Are the RNC & NRCC ignorant, or is it an agenda? Both maybe? All about winning elections with no fundamental foundation?

    Grrr :evil:

  20. #833925
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 9:08 am, chapoutier said:

    Latest polling from PPP. Bottom line:

    Hoffman: 51
    Owens: 34
    Dede: 12
    Undecided: 3

  21. #833929
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 9:14 am, Solo said:

    Is she so unwilling to to move to the right, that she will move all the way to the left first?

    Yes, that’s what moderate left of center republicans do.

    Gingrich, Graham, McCain, Bush, and their ilk are moderates that have been moving the republican party left for years. It’s gotten so bad you need a magnifying glass to see the differences between the (R) and the (D). Yeah, moderates talk a good game to get elected but when push comes to shove they almost always vote to move the republican party left.

    (D)= socialism at 100 mph.
    (R)= socialism at speed limit.

    Either way we’re being screwed.

  22. #833930
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 9:17 am, b-cat said:

    (D)= socialism at 100 mph.
    (R)= socialism at speed limit.

    The Democrat Party is the Communist Party. The Republican Party is the Socialist Party.

  23. #833931
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 9:17 am, Solo said:

    Hoffman: 51
    Owens: 34
    Dede: 12
    Undecided: 3

    Excellent

  24. #833934
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 9:21 am, granite said:

    On November 2nd, 2009 at 12:40 am, WarEagle82 said:

    Dede has done nothing honorable. She took money from the GOP even though she represented virtually everything the GOP claimed they didn’t want to implement. And when she was obviously losing, she spit in the faces of those people who had given her the money she needed and endorsed the Democrat candidate!

    I could have accepted that she just released her supporters to do what they thought best. But she couldn’t stop there and actually urged supporters to vote for Owens! Where is the honor in screwing the GOP idiots who supported her? This is pure malice and vindictiveness and pettiness.

    Yep.

    This is pure malice and vindictiveness and pettiness.

    In other words, exactly as would be expected from an adolescent/statist/fascist/socialist/collectivist/opposite-worldview holder.
    No surprise at all.

  25. #833938
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 9:34 am, Roland said:

    After Scozzafava’s announcement yesterday, Hoffman had issued a statement saying, “We would like to acknowledge the class and dignity with which Mrs. Scozzafava conducted her campaign.”

    Seems gracious enough.

    Of course it was not Hoffman Scozzafava was sticking in the back. It was Newt and the clueless leaders of the GOP party apparatus who supported her and gave her money and stood by her until she withdrew. Those are the guys she betrayed. She stuck it to them good.

  26. #833939
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 9:35 am, chapoutier said:

    Sooo…now that it looks pretty clear the Hof is going to win, how pissed will you all be when the GOP co-opts his victory, like they did with the Tea Party protests?

  27. #833941
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 9:40 am, b-cat said:

    how pissed will you all be when the GOP co-opts his victory, like they did with the Tea Party protests?

    It depends. Not everyone in the GOP is the enemy. The top leadership seems to be, though.

    I will be voting tomorrow for GOP candidates with enthusiasm.

  28. #833942
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 9:41 am, chapoutier said:

    Seems gracious enough.

    Hmmm… Hadn’t seen that, and it looks like Hoffman has scrubbed it from his website (not surprising).

    But okay, that was indeed gracious enough.

  29. #833945
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 9:44 am, ctmom said:

    I hope the GOP and the NRCC are planning to audit every penny they gave her.

  30. #833971
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 10:04 am, GladzKravtz said:

    I’d like to see the RNC ask for some of their money back or if they have outstanding commitments to Scozzafava, state that they will not honor them.

    In the future, all candidates who drop out and are supported financially by the RNC should agree to endorse either their conservative or republican successor.

    Can’t wait to send back my RNC pledge cards.

  31. #833986
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 10:22 am, xler8bmw said:

    We should DEMAND that the RNC make here pay the money back!

  32. #834006
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 10:43 am, scrubjay said:

    I want a statement from Newt with some expression of contrition for his actions relative to this incident and also a commitment from him, henceforth, to only support candidates that agree with the Republican platform.

  33. #834037
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 11:13 am, James Felix said:

    Well, that’s a sure-fire way to show all the people who said she’s too liberal how wrong they were.

  34. #834066
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 11:46 am, battleaxe said:

    Both the democrat and republican parties need to be disbanded and thrown in the crapper.

  35. #834093
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 12:10 pm, greenfairie said:

    Oh well, so much for doing what was right…good riddance to Scuzzyflava. It ought to be a lesson in how trying to win over leftists is a loser’s strategy but somehow I have a feeling the national GOP won’t have learned a darn thing.

  36. #834105
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 12:21 pm, FirstSkirt said:

    The lefties posting on this site (you know who you are) who are so worried about a “so-called” Republican being gracious….please. When are hostile Democrats EVER gracious to Republicans, conservatives, or Libertarians? Give me a break.

  37. #834108
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 12:23 pm, chapoutier said:

    The lefties posting on this site (you know who you are) who are so worried about a “so-called” Republican being gracious….please.

    I never said I was worried about anyone being gracious. I just pointed to it as a reason for Dede’s defection.

  38. #834116
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 12:29 pm, FirstSkirt said:

    Parsing words…parsing words. Her endorsement of Owens is soooo typical of liberals…take the money, screw the donors, and she wasn’t even remotely connected to any kind of conservative platform. Once again, give me a break!

  39. #834121
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 12:32 pm, William said:

    Question,

    Did Scozzafava toss her support to the Democrat out o adolescent, immature spitefulness and anger, or is it because those who pointed our her left wing politics were right, and exposed her for what she truly is, and that she HAD to support the side that embraces the politics that she entertains, in this case, the leftists-Democrats-liberals?

  40. #834134
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 12:40 pm, granite said:

    On November 2nd, 2009 at 12:32 pm, William said:

    As the joke answer went that we used way back in high school: “Yes”.

    Fortunately for Dede, she had a twofer – the two reasons coincided; and she did not have to decide!

  41. #834157
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 12:57 pm, T-Bone said:

    And then it turned out not to be true? So what was the reason? That she is a leftist as MM pointed out early on?

  42. #834169
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 1:05 pm, chapoutier said:

    Parsing words…parsing words.

    Yes I often parse words by giving them their proper definition.

  43. #834172
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 1:09 pm, SpeakEasy said:

    Chap, Owens could afford to be overly gracious to Scuzzy because they are essentially in the same camp- ideologically. Also true what my Grandma used to say about honey, vinegar and bees.

  44. #834181
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 1:24 pm, T-Bone said:

    And who does the RNC now back in this race? The silence is deafening.

  45. #834206
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 1:51 pm, Cicero said:

    Gingrich quoted by the L.A. Times:

    Scozzafava’s decision infuriated Republicans who had stuck with her, including former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

    He told the AP that he was disappointed and “deeply upset.”

    “How could she have accepted all that support?” he said, adding later, “I’m very, very let down because she told everybody she was a Republican, and she said she was a loyal Republican.”

    Hey Newt, check to see whether there’s a “Kick Me” sign taped to your back.

  46. #834211
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 1:55 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    She repaid the GOP by endorsing Democrat candidate Bill Owens.

    Sore loser. True colors.

  47. #834213
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 1:56 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Hey Newt, check to see whether there’s a “Kick Me” sign taped to your back.

    Yes, but it’s covering up the “I’m an egotistical Ass” slogan on his T-Shirt…

  48. #834217
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 2:03 pm, granite said:

    “I’m very, very let down because she told everybody she was a Republican, and she said she was a loyal Republican.”

    Ummm….
    Weren’t we taught as children not to pay so much attention to what people say; but rather pay very close attention to what people do, and to the characters with whom they associate (aka causes they espouse)?

    Does not sound too bright nor too savvy.

    And this guy, when he was House Speaker, was third in line, after President and Vice President?
    Scaaaarry.

  49. #834221
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 2:09 pm, martin.musculus said:

    On November 2nd, 2009 at 12:06 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    but it appears Scozzafava is doing the honorable thing

    I imagine Benedict Arnold rationalized “he was doing the honorable thing”. For one I reserve graciousness in victory for those honorable in defeat and Scozzafava isn’t.

    I did agree, Arizona. When you stop and think, and look at how things actually are, rather than the cardboard-cutouts we’ve been told is reality, her actions and the actions of her ilk and the apologists on the boards make perfect sense.

    As you know, Conservs/Libertarians are the ENEMY of the Progressives & Squishes. When she couldn’t get her claws into the pie, she really did do the honorable thing — the thing I would expect any Conserv/Libertarian to do: throw support to the “ideological/cultural/social/political cousin” in the race.

    It is just that her “ideological cousin” is the Progressive-Socialist candidate.

    This has been a costly lesson. But along with the sterling examples (via actions — not utterances, of course…) of Sphincter (Idiot-PA), Snowe-Cow, Newt Gingrich (Idiot-Ga), Miss Lindsey Graham (Idiot-SC), and John McCain (McCain-MSM) we see where the sympathies and ideology of RINOs and DIABLOs really are.

    We can now discount the “noseholders” as the agents provocateurs they actually are.

    Those who spout Big Tentism, quoting Reagan in part while forgetting the rest of the speech (where RR invited those unchangeable Progressives to leave the party…) {hear THAT, sNewt!!} are either so dense as to be a lost cause or dishonest and willful in their sympathies to those who want to destroy this country.

    I no longer have patience for those who claim that “we need to just get along” — you don’t “get along” with a house fire, you put it out!

    And we need to put them out — so far out of office that their Greatgrandchildren will blanch at the mention of these next two elections!

    I don’t believe that it is too late to use the Constitutional Methods to correct our course, but time is fleeting — and that time is not to far off if the Citizenry doesn’t awaken. But it seems they are rubbing their collective eyes… and that comforts me.

    Regardless, however:
    I have few years left, but I will not go gently into this horrid night. No, not at all.
    Know when the new “Carbon Reclamation” team knocks on my door, it will certainly be a party!

  50. #834254
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 2:43 pm, SpeakEasy said:

    Newt: “I’m very, very let down because she told everybody she was a Republican, and she said she was a loyal Republican.”

    Yeah, sorry- I’m not buying that crap. He has been naround too long to fall for such an obvious ploy. Either he

    1)was promised something to play ball: Corrupt

    2)is truly that stupid: Stupid

    3)or rubber stamped someone else’s recommendation: inept.

    Newt, DLTDHYOTWO. Buh-bye.

  51. #834265
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 2:56 pm, martin.musculus said:

    SpeakEasy:
    I think #1 is the most likely. as it fits in with sNewt’s couch-sitting type actions and his recent & growing number of anti-conservative comments.

    Of course, as I type this I realize that the foregoing doesn’t exclude numbers 2 or 3 from also applying…

  52. #834274
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 3:19 pm, Roland said:

    On November 2nd, 2009 at 2:43 pm, SpeakEasy said:

    To Newt’s credit, politically speaking Scozzafava’s move seems pretty darned stupid. She’s in a Republican district and she has just publicly peed all over every ‘moderate’ Republican, since they all stuck their necks out for her.

    Talk about burning bridges.

  53. #834294
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 3:59 pm, Solo said:

    1)was promised something to play ball: Corrupt

    2)is truly that stupid: Stupid

    3)or rubber stamped someone else’s recommendation: inept.

    I’ll go with
    4)All of the above

  54. #834315
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 4:37 pm, FirstSkirt said:

    Chap: sometimes you can be so condescending – like every lawyer I know, including a member of my family. All this commentary about whether DeDe is being gracious enough to the dems…whatever.

  55. #834325
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 4:52 pm, emjem24 said:

    Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava has been an honorable public servant for years now and I have a tremendous amount of respect for her and her commitment to her principles. While we disagree on certain issues, we share a dedication to serving the best interests of Upstate New York and the Obama administration’s efforts to get our economy back on track. Those interests will always be my highest priority.”

    I’m sorry, Chaps, but for you and many other liberals it’s all about appearances and “hurt” feelings.

    Reading Owens’ statement made me wanna puke! How many of these “assemblypeople” really serve the needs of New Yorkers? How many of them put their ego and their big money backers ahead of who’s more important, the voter? This is utter BS on Owens’ part and I’m callling it.

    Local farmers get promises from the likes of Scozzafava and Owens while they take corporate farm money. As someone who grew up in a farming family, not like the ones who “play” at it now and run their farms at a loss because they don’t know basic economics, I take this personally.

    What kind of honor does Scozzafava have in turning on her own party? Is she just as dishonourable as you and zyzzyg think Hoffman is? These are the same kind of liberals who ran the Upstate region into the ground by letting in foreign competition (thank you Mario Cuomo). I’m sorry but I don’t believe a freakin’ thing these backstabbers like Scozzafava have to say.

    I may not be a voter in this district but I want a problem solver who will stop BSing me every 5 minutes. I don’t believe these people have any sort of dedication in solving the problems of the upstate New York region. I’ve heard similar promises before.

  56. #834328
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 4:56 pm, emjem24 said:

    chapoutier said:
    Sooo…now that it looks pretty clear the Hof is going to win, how pissed will you all be when the GOP co-opts his victory, like they did with the Tea Party protests?

    Pissed enough that I turned Independent after the last election and voted a mixed ticket this time around. I didn’t vote solidly Republican this time around, mostly Conservative and Independent (NY absentee voter). Will that suffice for you?

    Are you pissed enough about the far-left coopting the rest of the Dem Party to turn your back on the likes of Pelosi and Reid and declare your “independence?”

    Yeah, I thought so.

  57. #834349
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 5:39 pm, chapoutier said:

    Are you pissed enough about the far-left coopting the rest of the Dem Party to turn your back on the likes of Pelosi and Reid and declare your “independence?”

    No. Because the Democratic party structure still works for me. I don’t particularly care for Reid or Pelosi, but if you think they represent the far left fringe, then you are delusional.

  58. #834466
    On November 2nd, 2009 at 11:37 pm, thegreatbeast said:

    I guess it’s our fault. We pissed her off so… /sarc>

  59. #834876
    On November 3rd, 2009 at 3:31 pm, emjem24 said:

    chapoutier said:

    No. Because the Democratic party structure still works for me. I don’t particularly care for Reid or Pelosi, but if you think they represent the far left fringe, then you are delusional.

    If you think that the Dem party structure is still intact with no traces of in-fighting or tension, you are kidding yourself. It still works for you because you are a committed Dem who supports the Dem platform at the expense of the larger American society.

    If you think that Reid or Pelosi aren’t playing footsy with the far left fringe, you are delusional. Why did Reid initially not support the government option and then change his mind? Could it have anything to do with carrying favor with the far left and opinion polls back home? Why is Pelosi pushing the government option when it is obvious she doesn’t have the votes? Who is really pulling these politicians’ strings?

    I’ve looked beyond party loyalty to the bigger picture. Both parties suck and you know it even if you won’t admit it. If the Dem party structure is strong, why are the liberal Dems strong-arming moderates? Why do moderates and conservative Dems have problems with the public option and other hallmarks of the liberal Dem agenda?

    Face it, the far left fringe has control of your party just as the squishy, BOHICA RINO’s have control of the Republicans. The Dems used to stand for something in the JFK era and now they’ve morphed into something else entirely. If you’re content with that then that speaks more about you than about the party itself.

    No wonder Independents are becoming more and more a factor in elections.

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