Maine votes down gay marriage
Socially liberal Maine rejects a gay marriage initiative — making it the 31st time (out of 31 tries) that voters have torpedoed such proposals.
How long until gay marriage proponents start decrying America’s “climate of hate?”
Maine voters have torpedoed a state law that would have allowed gay couples to marry.
With 84 percent of the precincts reporting, gay-marriage foes had 53 percent of the vote Tuesday.
The outcome amounts to a heartbreaking defeat for the gay rights movement — particularly since it occurred in New England, the corner of the country most supportive of gay marriage.
At issue was a law passed by the Maine Legislature last spring that would have legalized same-sex marriage. The law was put on hold after conservatives launched a petition drive to repeal it in a referendum.
Gay marriage has now lost in every single state — 31 in all — in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists had hoped to buck that trend in Maine.
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Unfortunately, the opposite appears to be occurring in Washington state. It’s awfully close, however:
I will take away yet another positive today from what has been a politically mixed day for me as a NYS voter.
In regards to this vote:
It’s not over. I’m sure the gay activists will try to get a court to throw out the result. I don’t feel sad for gays when they’re bent on shoving their lifestyle down our collective throat. Get your protections through civil unions not same sex marriage.
It’s not only the gay activists who don’t have the best interests of the state at heart it’s the politicians. How much time did they “waste” enacting a law that would be repealed by referendum? Were these politicians serving the best interests of Maine voters by enacting such legislation?
You would think they’d get the message right now. The gay lifestyle is not accepted, especially when you shove it down our throats and expect us to not protest or say anything. Yet, the gays can’t seem to work up any kind of tolerance for those of us who just want traditional marriage to stand and remain strong without further cultural eroding. Can these people hear us now?
What are the implications of this referendum? And is it necessary?
Here is the full article. In my own view it was gay marriage in all but name. It was not a well-thought out piece of legislation IMO but of course if one opposed it one was automatically a hater of gay people.
way to go Maine!!
as MM said thats 31 of 31 times the VOTERS have spoken
chuckling that gays are HEARTBROKEN
why the over emotional dare I say drama queenish description?
Maine must have HUGE Mormon population that voted it down.
/sarc ( for any dems reading blog )
What an utter waste of a referendum. I just got through reading some of the poster comments and it’s a pretty heavy mix between those who disagree on religious grounds and those who think that gays “deserve” equal treatment and rights. Those in the pro camp are not only deluded but they have no freaking idea what impact this will have on the larger society. It isn’t just about healthcare access, benefits, etc. It’s encouragement to what is, in all intents and purposes, an alternative lifestyle.
It was a very poorly worded piece of legislation. I agree with you there. People are so hell bent on an anything goes society, that I begin to wonder why have rules at all? Why have morals or ethics? When you look at Washington, it’s no wonder it’s such a liberal stronghold.
Heaven forbid anybody should judge anybody else… even though it happens to all of us on a daily basis. Heaven forbid none of us want homosexuality and its lifestyle crammed down our throats and taught to our kids. What these liberal morons seem to be saying is, tradition, religion and all their tenets are a threat to THEM. A life with no rules, structure, is not a life.
It’s chaos… especially for the rest of us who get caught up in the experiment.
I’m not overly religious and I could care less if people are gay or not. What you do in private is YOUR business just recognize that larger society doesn’t accept it or tolerate it. This is just another ploy to create another special group of protected people like minorities who’ve enjoyed special privileges for decades. How ’bout treating homosexuality for what it actual is: a statistical anomaly? They don’t get the same protections because they don’t have the same kind of relationships that heterosexual couples have.
I’m sick of this PC crap. No wonder it rains in the Northwest so much. These crybaby liberals and their gay buddies never stop cryin’ and bellyachin’ about what they’re owed by the rest of us who could give a damn. Washington is just another blue state gone crazy.
How long will it be before the gay community DEMANDS that Eric Holder PROSECUTE anyone that contributed to the ‘no to gay marriage’ vote for their participitation in what is clearly a gay HATE crime?
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What consenting adults do in private is their own business–not the state’s business.
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It offends me when the “gay” lifestyle is presented as just another perfectly normal choice for life. Particularly when the agenda is “brainwashing” gullible young children via schools. Parents should do the sex education job–not the proponents of “alternate” lifestyles.
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Most of the gay people I know seem badly adjusted in their lives–they don’t seem very happy. But it is their choice.
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John Bibb
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Well that’s the problem I have with it too.. If adults want to have gay sex or relationships, that’s their business, & they can deal with whatever consequences result from it, but when they start brainwashing children & demanding special rights NOT afforded by our constitution, then they are going way too far. They can expect a lifetime of conflict & resistance.
As a Maine voter, I’m happy and actually unsurprised by this outcome. As blue as my state is, we have always opposed gay marriage when it is put up to a vote.
I expect our democrat legislature and governor up here to quickly try to erase what we’ve done yesterday, and try to shove the issue down our throats again.
0 for 31 when the PEOPLE get to vote on this and don’t have it shoved down their throat by the government. Gays and lesbians, what part of “hell no” don’t you understand? How stupid are you? For all your threats, screaming and crying backed up by the Hollwood socialist sexual perverts the American people still DO NOT suport you.
hmm my post was removed
On November 4th, 2009 at 6:01 am, ThatSamIAm said:
At least part of the reason that it’s not yet 0 for 50 is that in some of the remaining 19 states, Democrats who control the state government won’t allow things like this to get anywhere close to being put on a ballot.
How do you think NC would vote if voters were given the opportunity to vote on it?
One of many tools in the shed. Hope this sends a message to anyone in the GOP that might still be sitting on this liberal issue that it is a no-winner (31 for 31). Next comes the usual rhetoric from the gender abusers of peace…
EVERYTIME the people get to vote on this issue they say NO! It is only judges who say yes and WE need to stop that!
The issue of AIDS is never addressed in health care cost or the promotion of the homosexual lifestyle. Why should I have to pay for someones dangerous lifestyle choices?
Cuz Obama says so. He won…remember?
Bottom line here – it’s not about gays wanting to marry, but is about mandating that all of society accept their destructive personal practice and prosecute those who do not openly accept it. I know those are strong words, but it is the truth and runs deeper than that.
Has the Gay Perez been heard from? The Drama Queen must be saying TERRIBLE things about Maine. But I must not be harsh-everytime one of their Senators is on TV I say terrible things about Maine
Turn off the heat to the bath houses and get the Dancing Queens really upset.
There have been numerous homosexual rights referendum that have been voted down by the people here in ME.
The legislature and governor decided we don’t know what’s best for us and passed this marriage law on their own.
Thankfully, most of the people had some sense.
I have a test question for the Maine heterosexuals of the losing 47% side: A man and a woman get a marriage license. One of them is a homosexual. A) Explain how the homosexual’s civil right was denied? B) Bonus question; which one is the homosexual?
Maine does have a Domestic Partnership law which gives gay couples marriage rights and benefits.
I am really surprised the gay marriage law was repealed, though. I had “NO on 1″ folks (those supporting the gay marriage law) calling me multiple times a day, demanding to know if I would be voting No on 1. Even governor Baldacci did a recording to support No on 1. They had more money, and more of a campaign. Not to mention how liberal Maine has gotten (especially Portland). So yeah, big surprise to see the results this morning.
You are a hard person Danceswithdachshunds asking trick questions of that 47% Politically Correct functionally useless.
Good for Maine! You’d think other states would start getting the message?
Eh, they’re just voters. What do they know about what they want?
/sarc
I think that’s perfectly reasonable, and an accurate assessment.
When stories like this, and this, and this are common in the news it’s hard for rational people to think this is simply about marriage equality.
It isn’t.
It’s about punishing ungoodthink, turning religious belief into hate crimes, and forcing people to violate those beliefs by blessing unions that are not marriage.
Another question, when will the left realize that for these sorts of things to happen in 30 states that it’s not just Mormons, Christians, or blue-haired grannies who are voting FOR traditional marriage?
Thousands of year of civilization and thousands of years of experimentation with various forms of family constructs has led to the nuclear one man/one woman family as being the best for children and the best for creating a stable society. There has been far too much support for “love” and far too little support for “family”. Homosexual marriage is nothing but a sham and a shame.
We haven’t heard the last on this issue. Obama signed into law the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Law, and it will be an instrument to take these issues to court with a bigger hammer, not just relying on a liberal judge. They want it reviewed by SCOTUS to put a death nail into our fundamental building block of society.
My point was that there is in fact no discrimination against homosexuals with a one man one woman marriage requirement and never has been. Their only real hope now is to go back and try for the ERA again…3…2…1…
Errr… I could have said their only hope now is NOW?
Maine also passed this law.
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– Another measure in Maine, which easily won approval, will allow dispensaries to supply marijuana to patients for medicinal purposes. It is a follow-up to a 1999 measure that legalized medical marijuana but did not set up a distribution system.
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You know I’m thinking the “distribution system” was probably taking care of itself….
And now we await the ManChild to sign a Reginald Denny Hate Crimes Law. Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson received life sentences for the murder of Matthew Shepard. The L.A. Four+ who beat Reginald Denny received minor convictions. Will the Post Racial ManChild address this? Will the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Law be used to charge gays who assault gays? More than a few of the “assaults” the gays report are gay on gay.
Sadly none of these PC Klowns will address the issue of tens of thousand of our citizens trapped in their homes in DC by gang activity. That Mr. President is a true Hate Crime.
I know I am quite the odd man out here but I personally do not have an issue with saying the State needs to stay out of gay marriage issues. I am solidly conservative Christian and most certainly believe the Bible does not endorse homosexuality. Speaks very clearly against it. As a conservative however I am not so sure I’m ready to endorse government stepping into marriage between two consenting adults. In the same way I would be opposed to the State telling churches they must do gay marriages I think I have an issue with folks pushing our agenda through the State in terms of civil matters.
If we like government involvement when the issue agrees with our bias but then we label any government involvement on issues that go against our bias as invasive, socialist, etc., are we not being a tad hypocritical?
Government intrusion is government intrusion. Sorry but as a conservative I think I come to a place where its not the government’s job to be involved in some of these personal matters.
That does not mean I endorse the life style. I don’t. It means I want smaller less invasive less intrusive less costly government.
And if I read Barry Goldwater’s position on gays in the military and follow how he got to his position on gays in the military, I think I’m in some good solid conservative company with my point of view.
The message is clear however with this particular issue. As already noted its not just some kook fringe that has an issue with gay marriage. This country did not endorse Obama’s agenda. And votes like these make where the country is as compared to where Obama wants to say it is are two different things.
The people have spoken, hopefully right-thinking against deviant lifestyles will continue.
The state has a vested, albeit limited, interest in certain things. Traditional nuclear families are usually wealthier, more stable, and raise productive children, thus lessening the burden on government to provide such social services.
Look no further than the deterioration of the black nuclear family to see how a loss of traditional family structure decimates entire communities through poverty, lack of education, and violence.
This is why the incentives offered by the government (tax breaks, etc.) benefit the state by encouraging marriage.
Hmm, and yet Michelle’s own AllahPundit seems to cluelessly think that Republicans should give up all social conservative positions and run ONLY as fiscal conservatives. He is so wrong on that one.
“This is why the incentives offered by the government (tax breaks, etc.) benefit the state by encouraging marriage.”
Still government invasiveness and social engineering. So its okay as long as I agree with the agenda for the government to be invasive on personal matters?
The solution to those problems is not the government getting involved even if that involvement aligns itself with my sensibilities.
The problems are real I agree. The solution come from the community of faith, not the community of government.
Strip clubs are a problem in some parts of Phoenix. Cause all sorts of co-lateral issues. I want a law that is family and marriage friendly that outlaws lust.
The point is where does it stop.
I just find it a tad hypocritical that we who want less invasive, less costly, smaller government are patting ourselves on the back for the State getting involved in defining marriage.
Just seems a bit contradictory.
So, when do I get to vote on your straight marriages? Just sayin’.
We The People shall define marriage, and then allow the State to enforce it for the benefit of the culture/community.
Feel free to collect the required signatures and take it to your state AG to get it on a ballot.
Washington State has a bad rep for “cooking” the vote in close elections. I grew up there. Not as blatent as Jersey though.
and you think gay marriage is not invasive?? oh please, the entire gay marriage movement is aimed at silencing christianity, and any other viewpoint that disagrees with them.
gay marriage means the end of religious liberty in this country.
jangar:
So if there was a state with Anti-miscegenation laws and that’s what the people wanted then that’s fine?
In an ideal world, we wouldn’t even be discussing homosexuality as a civil right or whether or not its even morally correct. To me, culture has declared it an abomination and it’s, in the words of Al Gore, “settled”.
Would you have believed 15 or 20 years ago this would arise to the level it has where legislatures and voters have to affirm traditional marriage?
It’s the liberal attacks on our society via the judicial system that has caused government to start getting involved. It never should have come to this.
common sense conservatism at work every time it’s tried.
jsmiddleton4 mentioned Barry Goldwater:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater#cite_note-42
a bitter loser…like you…
LOVE
= desire
= sacrifice
pick one?
R4L:
…and a big good morning and go F yourself to you too.
ronfromhollywood – you pick one.
LOVE
What they will do is to keep proposing referendums and having votes until they get what they want. Then no more referendums or votes will be allowed.
All you can do is joke about it and have a good laugh. Otherwise you’ll cry.
jsmiddleton4 :
…stretch out with your feelings… you know it to be true… join us on the libertarian side.
Gay marriage….loses every time its put to the vote…
people are onto the fascist agenda of the gay movement…to silence christians, and deny them their religious liberty.
Silent majority no longer silent! Message for the left: Get.Used.To.It! and if you don’t like it then move!
There was a law a while ago that said black people had to ride in the back of the bus. The people wanted it, the legislature passed it, and the governor signed it. It was passed in accordance with every principle of politicial process in our Republic.
The Supreme Court overturned it as unconstitutional. The reason they did was because it was obviously racist. An anti-miscegenation law would just be more of the same.
Stop using racist themes as your reasoning for forcing a lifestyle choice upon the populace. If you choose to be a homosexual, fine. If you want to give someone a power of attorney or power for medical choices, you can do that even if you’re not married. If, as a homosexual, you want to get married, you can. You just have to marry someone of the opposite sex.
Yes, but that won’t stop the poor, misunderstood cretans.
TooMuchTime:
…and laws against gay marriage are clearly rooted in homophobia and discrimination of it’s own.
What? Who is forcing anything? The gay couple living next door is still going to be gay and still going to be living together next door with or without gay marriage. It will change precisely nothing about perceptions and reality.
…you know as well as I do that all the things that could be done still fall short (not to mention being time-consuming and expensive) of an actual recognized union.
Honestly! You don’t see the analogy?
thats true, they are determined to impose their ideology upon the rest of us, by whatever means necessary
“for forcing a lifestyle choice upon the populace.”
Just as I will point out the border line hypocrisy by smaller government types regarding this issue I will also point out the falsehood in that statement. Voting for or against gay marriage is simply that. Nothing more. It is not forcing a life style choice on anyone. It is a vote to decide if the State will endorse or not endorse, allow or not allow, a legal standing. It has nothing to do with life style choices one way or the other.
Nice bait and switch though.
Anti-gay marriage is also homophobia.
Nope. But nice try.
jsmiddleton4:
I might have been unclear but I said:
I should have said:
When I got up this morning, I was thinking to myself “How can I ruin every Christian Americans life?”. Just part of the routine, I guess.
Also, the phrase “shoving [noun] down our throats” is rather hilario-awkward when applied on the subject of devil-worshipping, society-crushing, stealing-the-souls-of-children homosexuals and their nefarious ilk. But Ann Coulter said it first. =]
“join us on the libertarian side.”
Thanks but no. I am not a libertarian. I do however try my best to be consistent with my conservativism.
In fact if folks would follow conservative ideals consistently it would be the very best strategy for folks like gays who want others to stay out of their lives.
I would leave my church if it endorsed gay pastors and wanted to do gay marriages. However I would not abandon a conservative politician who concluded gay marriage beyond two consenting adults was essentially none of the State’s business.
I for one would love to see gay folks who want all this marriage thing to have it and then enjoy all the divorce thing too……
Probably won’t be too many opportunities to advance our nefarious agenda while I’m out on my morning walk, but I do need to stop by my dental office (since it’s in the area) to see about rescheduling an appointment I currently have scheduled for mid-December. Maybe I could drop off some “HOW TO DESTROY THE AMERICAN FAMILY IN 12 REALLY LABORIOUS STEPS” pamphlets, or use my wicked voodoo powers to turn a young dental hygienist gay. Y’know, just to be really spiteful about what happened in Maine and all. =]
jsmiddleton4:
Everything you have said in this thread is consistent with a libertarian philosophy. Many libertarians come to be libertarians by having the realizations you stated earlier WRT hypocrisy. You don’t have to want gay pastors at your church to be a libertarian.
Homosexuals want our society to say homosexuality is “normal,” “fine.” Not going to do it! It’s not fine or normal. If someone wants to live that way, do it. But don’t ask me to condone it end of story and continuously arguing with those like zeroangel gives their argument credibility when it deserves none.
Apparently, I’m not the only one who feels this way because everytime this issue comes up for a vote, it is voted down.
I’m done arguing, I’m voting my conscience and I have every right to believe the way I do. The left can call me any name they want but I don’t serve them and I couldn’t care less their opinion of me.
ah yes anything that disagrees with the gay agenda is ‘homophobia’ and should be illegal…the gays are fascist.
gay marriage is religious bigotry.
Jeddite:
LOL. Please correct me if I am wrong, but you are a gay Republican? That must be even more frustrating than being a “right-leaning” atheist *smile*.
Well Jed if you think there is no co-ordinated and near militaristic campaign to bring a gay/lesbian mindset and lifestyle into our public schools then you are kidding yourself. Your satire/humor aside.
I don’t care one wit if you decide you like folks of your same sex. When folks bring their lifestyle choices into my children’s public school or demand that they be allowed to, well that is a different matter.
Your disrespect regarding what parents have to deal with does little to help your case.
and we’ve seen the gay agenda in action, with the suppression of rights for christians here and around the world…
the recently signed ‘hate crimes’ law..even the civil rights commission has called it a menace to civil liberties…but the gays only want liberty for themselves and their viewpoint.
Misscheryl:
No, I think they will just settle with letting them get married. They will be able to put up with your derision otherwise.
jsmiddleton4:
Seems you are the one shifting topics now. Gay marriage and public schools are seperate issues.
right….
That is the left’s m.o. and has been for some time. Anti-Obama, you are racist, etc.
If you are not a moderate Democrat-lite Republican, you are a right wing extremist.
They are so open minded….
Off to work.
link
gay pigs are more equal than others…
As I said in another thread I would trade that silly NY 23 race for No on 1 in a second.
But lets not ignore the Washington domestic partner law that passed last night (by a similarly narrow margin as Maine’s loss).
It is also true that the younger voters in Maine overwhelmingly voted No on 1. This is a generational issue more than anything and you can’t stop people from dying.
Do you get this worked up when some fifth grader brings his lifestyle choice to school and prays before he sits down to lunch?
I mean ewwwww….talk about your PDLCs (Public Displays of Lifestyle Choices)!
again you show what a nazi you are.
you ‘tolerant’ ‘open minded’ hate filled wacko.
oh a chappy, most people grow up…except for liberals, that is…
No doubt, chap.
In the same way that we all regard the following as horrible, cruel and unjust:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2020:13&version=KJV
…future generations will regard objection to gay marriage as horribly unjust. Sorry guys, but it’s only a matter of time. You religious folks better change your tune soon or you’ll find your younger practitioners abandoning your church of their own free will in favor of a church with a less restrictive doctrine.
Chap! HIGH FIVE!
yeah you atheists have been singing the same old song since Voltaire…guess what, christians are still around, and you will never defeat us.
0-31….LOSER.
R4L:
Wow, you just completely misunderstood what I said didn’t you? No surprise there.
Ha ha. I am a Nazi for apparently pointing out that old people die.
I love you right4life. You cheer me up like no other poster here.
…but it’s kind of like the cheer you get when driving past a horrible roadside accident…
ha ha…sure sounds like you are happy about it…but with your ‘healthcare’ you’ll be even happier to hasten that day…
oh I love you too chappy, your words are always amusing.
oh we’ll see who has the last laugh now won’t we??
It means they get to Heaven all the more quickly, right? What’s not to be happy about that?
Why do you hate Heaven r4l?
Well, that argument is ridiculous. Schools don’t teach praying but they do teach homosexuality. Once again, you throw something at the wall to see if it sticks.
I mean eewwwwww…talk about your SRE. self-righteous elistism..
R4L:
Yes we will, chap is right, it’s just a matter of time before gay marriage becomes a reality. Get used to it.
Misscheryl:
If you had your way they would most certainly teach your religion in schools.
Young people can and often do change their minds.
greenfairie:
I don’t see it happening in this case anymore than it happened concerning anti-miscegenation laws.
Times, they are a changin’
So, so long as they didn’t teach homosexuality, you would be fine with a gay teacher being dropped off and picked up by his gay partner, in full sight of the children, attending school functions (maybe chaperoning a dance together) with his gay partner, calling his gay partner “Dear” at school? Holding hands with his gay partner as they walk by the school?
I know you think you’re so clever, but this is just laughably stupid.
your whole little theory about ‘evil old conservatives die and we take over’ is so much BS…I’m sure FDR thought the same thing…but then Reagan came along…along with the rise of the christian right…kind of blows your theory all to hell….
but then that ‘liberal logic’ for you…idiotic…your ideology is a failure everywhere its tried…you just hink you’ll be one of the little fuhrers telling the rest of us how to live…but you may end up like trotsky….the revolution devours its supporters…
“Schools don’t teach praying”
They don’t have to teach it. All that has to happen is a teacher announces a pop quiz in Algebra and the praying automatically happens….
Even those silly young folks who change their minds all the time intuitively know about asking someone greater then themselves for help.
No, not true. But I do want them to teach them, reading, writing and arithemtic and no more than that. They can leave the religious and sexual lessons to me and my family.
and isn’t it interesting that black people voted against gay marriage?
0-31…LOSER
This is just not true. It is a cultural phenomenom that is learned. Zen Buddhist children don’t ask anyone greater than themselves for help (for example).