Maine votes down gay marriage
Socially liberal Maine rejects a gay marriage initiative — making it the 31st time (out of 31 tries) that voters have torpedoed such proposals.
How long until gay marriage proponents start decrying America’s “climate of hate?”
Maine voters have torpedoed a state law that would have allowed gay couples to marry.
With 84 percent of the precincts reporting, gay-marriage foes had 53 percent of the vote Tuesday.
The outcome amounts to a heartbreaking defeat for the gay rights movement — particularly since it occurred in New England, the corner of the country most supportive of gay marriage.
At issue was a law passed by the Maine Legislature last spring that would have legalized same-sex marriage. The law was put on hold after conservatives launched a petition drive to repeal it in a referendum.
Gay marriage has now lost in every single state — 31 in all — in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists had hoped to buck that trend in Maine.
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I wonder how blacks voted on anti-miscegenation laws.
Misscheryl:
What is your position on the teaching of creationism or ID?
At least you are openly bigoted, r4l. Like I said, you are one of my favorites.
“you would be fine with a gay teacher being dropped off and picked up by his gay partner”
I would be unhappy with a heterosexual couple flaunting their sexuality at public school.
So yes, it would bother me if a gay couple did the same.
You are attempting to create a scenario to make people hypocritical and then once you diagnosis their hypocrisy use it, their hypocrisy, to support gay marriage chap? This is a good winning strategy?
It bothers me when very heterosexual female teachers advertise the fact they have boobs by highlighting their cleavage as well.
I don’t send my kids to public school so they have to deal with the likes of any of their teacher’s sexual preferences being on display.
There’s enough sexual preferring on display amongst the students!
Really, gotta go to work.
Chap – my stepson is gay whom I love dearly and he and his partner are welcome anytime at my home. They will not however, kiss, hold hands, cuddle or have sex on my living room floor. I will say, my other children are straight, if they aren’t married they can’t sleep together in my home. If you notice a difference in what I will allow from my gay child vs my straight children, can you guess why? Because there is a difference. So in short, to answer your question. As long as the teacher and his “partner” aren’t holding hands, kissing or pinching each other on the butt in front of the children, I don’t care if they are seen together and that goes for straight couples too.
jsmiddleton:
He wasn’t talking about flaunting. He was talking about holding hands and calling one another “dear.” Are you honestly telling me that you don’t want heterosexual couples making it known that they are a couple in front of kids?
Schools need to stay away from both sides of this issue.
“OK with a communist teacher.”
Depends on how that teachers communism shows up. Algebra teacher ranting about the evils of capitalism and pushing communism? Yes, that is a problem. Its out of place. That teacher is getting paid to teach my child math. Not for my child to listen to that teacher’s views of communism.
A teacher who sponsors the “Young Communist of America” club? Well I think that while interesting might just be okay for a teacher to discuss their views of communism.
You pose these questions chap that to answer require some context.
“Schools need to stay away from both sides of this issue.”
NO. They need to teach them all. And it would be helpful IF a teacher could not teach all of the various positions with integrity that teachers who could would float through the various classes and present the various views of intelligent design, creationism, evolution, etc.
Dropping off your wife or husband at work is flaunting their sexuality?
But that is not what we are talking about, is it? We are not talking about gay men…hmmm…I guess the equivalent would be stuffing a pair of socks in their crotch. We are talking about a gay person being their normal self, and having people confuse perceived effeminacy as “flaunting sexuality”.
Misscheryl:
Should schools teach both sides of the astrology vs. astronomy debate?
jsmiddleton4:
Should schools teach all sides of that debate?
Sorry above should read:
Misscheryl:
Should schools stay away from both sides of the astrology vs. astronomy debate?
That was your analogy, not ours.
Yes, that is what we consider flaunting sexuality – not dropping off our partner.
“He wasn’t talking about flaunting.”
So?
I made my position clear. I don’t want anyone of any particular sexual preference crossing the line regarding decency and public display of affection at my daughter’s school.
If that bothers you zero, oh well.
Now I have to think of an good excuse for being late.
“Some one was wrong on the internet” just doesn’t work well.
@0A:
Something along those lines. It wasn’t enough for me to hate Gawd and shun him with all my soulless atheist might. No, no – I had to go the extra wicked mile and be attracted to men too. By choice, obviously. I willfully choose my sexual orientation each morning, much as I choose my choice of breakfast and choice of clothes to wear for work.
And yes, it is rather frustrating. But the suppressed optimist in me just accepts it as just another challenge imposed upon me by a deity who doesn’t actually exist. =]
Oh, and I live in Seattle too.
But they can kiss, cuddle, hold hands, right?
So you DO object to straight teachers holding hands and you DO object to gay teachers holding hands, but you DON’T object to your straight children holding hands, but you DO object to your gay stepson holding hands.
I am not sure what I am supposed to take from that.
doesn’t matter, they know the whole ‘gay right are civil rights’ is a bunch of BS.
all gay rights are about is suppressing the religious liberty of christians…
some pigs are more equal than others..
again, my answer followed, please read below:
“Should schools teach all sides of that debate?”
You talking intelligent design, evolution, etc.?
Yes. And believe it or not there are some well educated men and women of science who do not buy into evolution and are lean toward intelligent design or out right support creationism.
If you are talking astrology vs. astronomy? No. Astrology is religious in nature and does not belong on any public school curriculum.
At least that’s what the stars told me to say this morning.
why couldn’t I have teachers like that?????
Not all of them.
uh whats ‘bigoted’ about that?
would you be OK with a NAMBLA teacher??
or are you a bigot?
jsmiddleton4:
Apparently, you don’t even want a gay partner picking up his lover at work.
Jeddite:
LOL! Love it! You made my morning. Very funny indeed, a superb use of sarcasm.
“isn’t it interesting that black people voted against gay marriage?”
Don’t get around too many black folks and in black communities then do you?
In Africa, since I saw it first hand, they generally will try to kill a gay black man.
pffftt..lawyer speak.
I was in 8th grade and there was a teacher Ms. Smith, we’ll call her. Always wore really short skirts and low cut blouses. After school one day I was walking down the hall and I turn to my friend Andy, and say:
“Don’t you think Ms. Smith dresses kind of like a slut?”
I then notice, of course, Ms. Smith is directly behind us. Her response:
“Well, something must have caught your eye.”
I ran fast. I actually had her as my English teacher the next year. never mentioned the incident.
Just because they were once victims of discrimination or are used to being victims doesn’t mean they can’t victimize another group.
jsmiddleton4:
Then they aren’t intelligent and aren’t conducting science. ID can’t be falsified, ergo it is not science. Period. Since there is no way to measure it, It’s not science even if it’s true.
“Apparently, you don’t even want a gay partner picking up his lover at work.”
Huh? How is picking someone up at work indecent?
Picking them up naked?
Ok. Yep. That’s indecent.
You argue with the voices in your head all too often zero.
LOL..I’m married to a black lady, and I’m part black….
Did I misinterpret you somehow?
“ID can’t be falsified, ergo it is not science.”
Well I guess by that definition evolution isn’t science either.
jsmiddleton:
Creationism and ID are religious in nature by very defintion.
all my teachers were old and ugly…sigh..
jsmiddleton:
Evolution can easily be falsified. Sorry you are wrong. All that needs to be done is to find a horse fossil (for example) in the Pre-Cambrian. Never happened.
BTW: my wife is Zimbabwean…
LOL..I’m married to a black lady, and I’m part black….
So?
That doesn’t mean you are out there in the black communities and have a sense of their feelings toward homosexuality.
The idea that the black community is against gay marriage makes perfect sense to me.
Um…your exact post:
We are NOY supposed to take from that that you feel a gay man picking up his partner at school is flaunting sexuality?
and if it did, it would be denounced as a fake…this is ‘evolutionary thinking’
no matter what the data says, it supports evolution…PRAISE DARWIN!!
Sorry zero but you are quite inconsistent regarding evolution and intelligent design.
jsmiddleton:
OK, so that’s alright? How about holding hands? Can heterosexuals and homosexuals do that? Are there any actions you consider OK for heterosexauls but not OK for homosexauls?
Me too! Me too! I’d dare say that most parents, (real ones that is..), if given the choice on a secret ballot, would indicate they prefer their child be taught by a heterosexual teacher. I’d go as far to say that, given a 100% safe and effective pill that prevents homosexuality in offspring, all parents would take it. And they’d all be bigots in your eyes correct?
uh yeah actually I do…you totally twist what I said.
even though they vote democratic, they vote against gay marriage….
Y’know, it’s not my place to tell MissCheryl what she can and cannot allow in her home, but I would like to submit this to her:
(1) I wouldnt make-out with or have sex with my partner in my mother’s home. I may hold hands, hug, or kiss (no tongue), however.
(2) [I am quite confident that] my sister wouldn’t make out with or have sex with her boyfriend/fiance in my mother’s home either. She may, however, hold hands, hug, or kiss (no tongue).
The reasons for this are not because gay=gross and/or straight=A-O-K. It’s because such displays of affection would be really really really awkward in my mother’s home. Even such displays of affection of the heterosexual persuasion. Like, ewwwwww.
Oh chap. Back to out of context concluding are we?
My post speaks for itself. Do what you want with pieces of it.
Public displays of affection in public schools by teachers are inappropriate and out of place.
Gay, straight or otherwise.
No Chap – you understand what I am saying completely. You understand that I am saying there is a place and a time for almost everything. I believe it sinful (ie, harmful to man)that unmarried people have sex just as I believe homosexuality to be a sin (harmful). As far as PDA – schools aren’t the place for that.
“Are there any actions you consider OK for heterosexauls but not OK for homosexauls?”
Maybe spelling correctly. Other than that its none of my business.
And the idea that there is some list of approved vs. disapproved behaviors is absurd.
jsmiddleton4:
If you think so, then you are as ignorant as R4L. There has never been found a fossil so out of place as a horse in dinosaurs times. There is a reasons for that.
I also would take such a pill for prevention of Down’s Syndrome. It doesn’t mean I would favor a law that restricts Down’s children from say, getting married. No one doubts that homosexuality isn’t condusive to leading a “normal” life (whatever that means) we just don’t want them discriminsted against.
Out of context? Dude. I asked if a gay man picking or dropping off his partner at school is okay. You quoted THAT AND ONLY THAT sentence and said that you don’t want to see flaunting of sexuality. You may not have meant that merely picking someone up is flaunting sexuality, but that was the obvious takeaway from a plain reading of your post. Please clarify if you did not mean what you posted.
“they vote against gay marriage…”
Yep. Which is why their vote against it is neither “interesting” nor surprising.
I’ve been to Zimbabwe while doing some medical relief work on its border with Mozambique.
Mugabe has destroyed what could be a most prosperous and beautiful country. I predict violence soon which will spread into South Africa and the whole region will be a mess.
You should be commended for feeling this way. Unfortunately, not everyone feels the same as you.
jsmiddleton4:
Except if they want to get married.
The discrepancies in that list is at least one word different: marriage.
It’s a lawyer thing..he practices his “jury speak” on us. Pretty good at it for the most part.
I would just to like to go on the record here and state that I do very much think it’s inappropriate to be teach elementary school kids about intimate/graphic details of homosexuality.
And not because homosexuality=WRONG, but because young children do not need to be exposed to that. This includes heterosexuality too. In elementary schools, sexual education should be limited to physical, function differenecs between boys and girls and, perhaps, the mechanical basics of sexual reproduction/procreation. (<— any by that, I mean egg+sperm=baby and not the fantasy of some white-clothed grandpa using mystical powers to create a soul and implant it into said zygote etc etc. That can be in-the-house extra-curricular activities
)
“Please clarify if you did not mean what you posted.”
Meant exactly what I posted. What I posted is not the same as what you want to make of it.
So no, I did not mean what you want to make of it. However I did mean exactly what I posted and continue to post regarding the matter.
Public displays of affection at public schools by teachers regardless of their sexual orientation are inappropriate and should not be accepted.
I agree. Much the same way I agree that heterosexual oral sex shouldn’t be included health class either.
All of this is a seperate issue to gay marraige between adults, though, of course.
you are taking what I said out of context….ZA equated gay marriage to a cvil rights issue by comparing gay marriage to allowing interracial marriages…its not…and black people know its not.
it was a beautiful country…but I will never walk under the jacarandas in bloom again in this life…
“I would just to like to go on the record here and state that I do very much think it’s inappropriate to be teach elementary school kids about intimate/graphic details of homosexuality.”
I guess that’s something. However I would say no part of homosexuality is appropriate to teach any child at any level of public school. Same with any life style choice. I don’t send my kids to public school to learn about a teacher’s life style choice.
Teachers have every right to make whatever life style choice they prefer.
My kids don’t go to school to learn about a teacher’s life style choice.
ah yes darwiniac talking points…anyone who dares disagree with hairygod darwin is ignorant…and of course fossils don’t show evolution…they show creation.
Yes, of course, “black people” are the arbitrators of what is and what is not a civil rights issue based on their experience.
and of course the other minority that voted big against gay marriage are hispanics…who have the highest birthrate…
so much for your ‘let the old die off and we’ll win’ arguments for gay marriage…
“oral sex shouldn’t be included health class either.”
So now oral sex isn’t healthy?
Man, what a bad day.
they resent the spoiled, rich, privileged gays trying to equate their struggle to eliminate dissenting opinions for their activities to the historic civil rights struggle…which is based on innate characteristics..
and they are absolutely right..
jsmiddleton4:
HAH! “Health Class” was where we had sex ed in HS. In fact, my track coach was the teacher.
It is wrong to try to equate the civil rights movement/era for black citizens precisely to the gay rights movement for homosexual citizens.
However, it would also be wrong to ignore some very, very obvious parallels between the two causes as well.
If some refuse to acknowledge these parallels, then I submit to them it is because those individuals willfully refuse to acknowledge said parallels. Being cognizant of these parallels is not tantamount to supporting them.
R4L:
First off, just because they resent something doesn’t mean it’s not a civil rights issue. A black man would probably resent a white person claiming reverse racism, still doesn’t mean it doesn’t go on. Secondly, Jeddite is right here. Why don’t you ask him if his homosexual behavior is innate or not?
Last time I checked old blacks and Hispanics die too.
You can look at any number of polls showing a steady increase in gay marriage or domestic partnerships, r4l. Or you could simply fire whatever remaining “common sense” synapses you may have and realize that the mere fact that gay marriage initiatives are even going to the ballot or in the legislatures shows amazing progress from 50, 40, 30, 20 years ago.
Jeddite:
If somoene could come up with a better analogy I would happily use that instead.
“black people” are the arbitrators of what is and what is not a civil rights issue based on their experience.”
My point is it doesn’t matter if you can make it a civil rights issue or not. In general homosexuality and the black community are not going to play well with others no matter how the “issue” is framed.
The Anglican/Episcopal church is getting ready to lose an entire continent in dissent over the gay issue. Africa has more Anglicans than Europe. And the African Anglicans are getting ready to drop the gay bishop, gay marriage endorsing American/European denominational ties over the issue.
So even if the issue could be defined as a civil rights issue, the black community, in general mind you, is not going to support gay marriage.
you don’t get the difference between lifestyle CHOICES…(ie activities like homosexuality)…and innate characteristics like skin color.
I wish I was a rich, privileged gay. I do not think of myself as “spoiled,” however, as the fruits of my labors are my own and are not owed to anybody of either sexual proclivity (whom are outside my immediate family, perhaps).
very true…the fastest growing part of christianity in africa is pentecostalism…
Please. That is EXACTLY what one would expect a rich, privileged, spoiled boy-lover-by-choice to say.
You aren’t fooling anyone, Jeddite.
jsmiddleton4:
I don’t think I care what Africans do. I am concerned with Americans, in any case, I am not disagreeing with you. Yes, blacks discriminate against gays more.
R4L:
…is the fact that you are a heterosexaul “innate” or is it a choice?
Zero – to answer your earlier question. I think schools should teach what is known, leave the theories out of things. People aren’t smart enough to teach abstract concepts.
@0A:
Well, that’s why I said “precisely. I understand why the civil rights movement is frequently compared to the gay rights movement – largely because there is no other “social struggle” in American history that works as a superior comparison.
That said, I do understand why people reject the claim that the gay rights movement is identical to the civil rights movement for blacks (because it’s not). I just very much disagree with anybody who pretends that there are zero parallels between the civil rights movement for blacks and the gay rights movement … for gays.
damn typos… heterosexual.
and you lefties are always glad to help those along that disagree…
yeah I’ve looked at the ‘polls’ ie the elections you’ve lost everwhere its tried.
and what about a NAMBLA teacher? are you ok with that? or are you just a bigot?
look at the evolution…..150 years of lies and BS…we’re still not buying it…even with all the indoctrination..
sexuality is a choice. if homosexuality was genetic, it would hvae been bred out of the population long ago.
I am usually more concerned with NAMBLA priests.
I believe we will one day discover a physical (e.g. chemical, physiological) cause of male and perhaps female homosexuality.
IIRC A surey done in the late 1990′s said that most (70% or more) gay men would rather not be gay if given the choice to be straight. The numbers were about 50-50 for women. Morality of abortion aside, if a pre-natal test is created would it be bigoted to A) perform the test and B) abort the baby?
Not to be TMI here or anything, but I typically shower+shave between 9:30-10AM on weekdays.
In observance of the defeat of “gay marriage,” I am going to turn-off my homosexuality switch while I shower. For approximately 20 minutes, while I am all wet and soapy, I will be 100% sexually attracted to females. Once I’m done, however, and I’m dry (and naked), I’m going to willfully choose to be attracted to males again.
Because I can. If I can choose to wear an orange polo with black khakhis, then, gosh-golly-darn, I can choose to be a heterosexual.
And it’ll be totally legit too.
I guess you will have to carefully explain that to the 1500 other species of animals that display the same behavior.
Careful though. You don’t want to get too close to an American bison as he is mounting and um…penetrating his buddy.
OK, I have to say my piece. Just can’t resist. I could care less if someone is gay. Had and still have gay friends. Frankly, I found most of them to be more honest and dependable than my straight friends. I do, however, oppose gay mariage as being instituionalized. Not because I dislike gays, but because it is the proverbial “camel’s nose under the tent”. Once accepted as an instituion of marriage, gay rights will become a never ending demand for more and more and more….. And I am sick to death of the incessant demands by all the various grievance groups. And frankly, gays can still be married even if it is not recognized by the state. Sure there are limitations but nobody is stopping them from giving themsleves to another. I do support a gay person’s right to live their life as they see fit, but I just don’t wnat it shoved in my face daily.
Kinda like congenital blindness, Downe’s Syndrome, and green eyes, right?
EWWWWWWWW GREEN EYES
Misscheryl:
Here are a list of theories:
General and Special Relativity
Germ theory of disease
Heliocentric model of the solar system
the Standard Model (Atoms)
…basically, all we have in science are “theories” nothing is known 100%. So are you saying don’t teach anything?
Jeddite:
OK fair enough. I’ll go on using the analogy where it is appropriate then.
R4L:
Genetics? LOL! You are the last one that should be talking about genetics. Anyhow, in the same way you don’t understand evolution you also don’t understand how certain traits can remain in a population despite not being favorable. They could be “riders” for example.
I think it is our business. In California when the courts ruled that denying gay marriage was unconstitutional I told a friend of mine, you know I could be fine with it as long as their are not lawsuits. Sure enough, a very short time later there it was…. two women who were getting married suing a florist for not providing flowers for their wedding. This issue is not about civil rights. The gay community is going to sue anyone and everyone they can over the “hate”. You know churches will be under attack hardcore. The very fact that the gay community refuses the civil unions and allowing straight people the right to religious marriages speaks volumes. Here in Cali, many straight people who are not religious would be more than happy to have state civil unions and forego the “marriage” ceremony as a statement to the gay community. This is not about civil rights, it is our business and why Prop 8 won.
I know you don’t get it, but you are agreeing with me, in that its not a genetic behavior.
ever figure out the mechanism for evolution yet?
Again, not that I want to expose the good internet citizens of MichelleMalkinDotCom to TMI, but I feel it is my duty to advise you all that I am in the homosexual minority when it comes to the subject of wanting to marry my dog or toaster once I’ve married a dude.
That is to say, I am not interested in wedding my dog or any appliance in my kitchen. (Except, maybe my tephlon/teflon pots – LOVE THOSE THINGS.)
Zero – you give people much more credit than I do. Very few are capable.
In the same way a florist could not refuse to sell flowers to Catholics getting married?
oh this is too funny…you do know that genetics was created by Mendel, not darwin, and that it wasn’t a part of evolution until the 1940s…the synthesis, right?
and if it was a recessive trait, then it wouldn’t manifest itself…duhhhhh
Very Well Said!
HAHAHAHA!!!! You amaze me r4l.
You say it is a choice. And act of free will. I thought God only gave Man free will. Yet here there are. All these queer animals queering up the animal kingdom.
blind people, and people with downe’s syndrome can mate…
homosexuals cannot reproduce, unless of course they’re not really gay….right??
duhhhhhhh
I wish I had a gay dog. At least that way, he could keep me company for our shared eternity of fire and brimstone. =[
R4L:
Yes, so what? Just because Einstein didn’t like quantum mechanics doesn’t mean relativity is garbage. You really don’t know what you are talking about, do you?
Not what I said…
Same thing would happen in Iowa if they would ever let the people vote.
Apparently both my parents were homosexual then, since that’s the only way that one could explain why I’m gay too.
Like, duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
LOL.
How many people with Downe’s Syndrome do you know that mate r4l?
do you think animals are mere robots who do not react to external stimuli??
if animals were gay, and homosexuality was genetic, then those animals would not breed, and the trait would be extinguished in the population.