The GOP elite’s $1 million object lesson — and the message of NY-23

By Michelle Malkin  •  November 4, 2009 02:14 AM

Conservatives owe NY-23 candidate Doug Hoffman immeasurable gratitude. He overcame impossible odds (single digits just a month ago) to come within two points of defeating Democrat Bill Owens. Hoffman had zero name recognition. National Republican Party officials dumped nearly $1 million into the race on behalf of radical leftist GOP candidate Dede Scozzafava, who then turned around, endorsed Owens and siphoned off 5 percent of the vote with her name still on the ballot after she dropped out.

Conservatives’ money went to pay for specious attack ads against Hoffman run by the NRCC like this.

Conservatives’ money went to support a GOP candidate who shares the same socialist alliances with fellow SEIU/ACORN/New Party/Working Families Party activist Patrick Gaspard, the Obama White House political director who intervened in the race to secure Scozzafava’s endorsement of Owens.

Hoffman’s candidacy illuminated the stark difference between GOP political opportunists willing to pimp out their endorsements to any old ACORN-embracing, Working Families Party-consorting, Big Labor crony who puts an “R” by her name — and movement conservatives who refuse to “mooooderate” for the politically expedient sake of mooooderation as dictated by out-of-touch Beltway party leaders. The NRCC/RNC’s $1 million debacle will cost much more than that.

As I’ve repeated many times over the last several weeks:

One thing is guaranteed at the conclusion of the NY-23 special congressional election: The Beltway Republicans who endorsed radical leftist Dede Scozzafava are going to have indelible egg stains on their faces. And GOP establishment fund-raising organizations will be the poorer for it.

To illustrate the point: This blog now has a regular feature spotlighting readers’ RNC rejected solicitation forms of the day.

Today’s rejected RNC donor form comes from reader Bud:

Which brings me to my syndicated column today.

Hoffman may have lost narrowly, but NY-23 is a much broader victory for conservatives who believe the Republican Party should stand for core limited government principles. Scozzafava, who was endorsed by far Left blogger Markos Moulitsas Zuniga and backed by Planned Parenthood, the National Education Association, and card-check-promoting trade unions, was denied the congressional seat because movement conservatives refused to support Arlen Specter in a skirt. This is a victory of principle.

Better a donkey in office that acts like a donkey than a donkey in elephant’s clothing making a complete ass of the GOP.

Moreover, NY-23 is a victory for conservatives who refuse to be marginalized in the public square by either the unhinged left or the establishment right. A humble accountant from upstate New York exposed the hypocrisy of GOP leaders trying to solicit funds from conservatives by lambasting Pelosi and the Dems’ support for high taxes, Big Labor, and bigger government — while using conservatives’ money to subsidize a high-taxing, Big Labor-pandering, bigger government radical. The repercussions will be felt well beyond NY-23′s borders. Conservatives’ disgust with the status quo has been heard and felt. They have been silent too long. They will be silent no more.

The GOP leadership knows it cannot afford to rest on its laurels, continue business as usual, and bask in yesterday’s electoral victories without confronting its abysmal abdication of principled conservative leadership in NY-23.

As Hoffman said in his concession speech, “This is only one fight in the battle.”

Onward. Upward. Rightward.

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Who are you calling “extremist?”
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2009

Here is one of the loudest messages of the 2009 off-off-year elections: Conservatives in America will no longer let their opponents define them out of the mainstream. They will not submit to Democrats. Or to the media. Or to Beltway Republican capitulationists. They will not “rebrand.” They will not sit down. They will not shut up.

Just this past weekend, Democrat Rep. Jim Moran attacked the Republican candidates for governor and attorney general in his state of Virginia as the “Taliban ticket.”

New York Times columnist Frank Rich decried the Right’s “Jacobins” and “Stalinists” who he said joined a “putsch” by supporting Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman over ACORN-embracing, Big Labor-promoting, pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, tax-and-spend Republican Dede Scozzafava in New York’s 23rd congressional special election.

And senior White House adviser Valerie Jarrett told ABC’s “This Week” that the grass-roots conservative-vs.-GOP leadership battle over NY-23 showed that the Republican Party leadership was “becoming more and more extreme, and more and more marginalized.”

Let’s talk “extreme.” Valerie Jarrett is the White House official who bragged openly about recruiting disgraced Marxist rabble-rouser Van Jones for the green jobs czar post. She lavished praise on his public career and said she had followed him “for as long as he’s been active out in Oakland.” In Oakland, Jones was working to dismantle California’s juvenile justice system, pitting minorities against police officers, and crusading to free Death Row cop-killer Mumia abu Jamal.

Who are you calling “extreme?”

Jarrett’s White House colleague Patrick Gaspard, Obama’s political director who intervened in the race to convince Scozzafava to endorse the Democrat candidate Bill Owens after she dropped out, was a top organizer at the militant Local 1199 chapter of the Service Employees International Union and an activist/organizer for the New Party and the Working Families Party – both ACORN/Democratic Socialist Association front groups.

Who are you calling “extreme?”

“It’s rather telling,” Jarrett sniffed, “when the Republican Party forces out a moderate Republican and it says, I think, a great deal about where the Republican Party leadership is right now.” It’s rather telling that the White House persists with this pointless marginalization strategy as Gallup polls show conservatives continuing to outnumber moderates and liberals across America.

As I pointed out in my Oct. 16 column, there was never anything moderate about Scozzafava. There was no fiscal conservatism to balance her social radicalism. It wasn’t merely that she was “pro-choice.” But that she was a proud recipient of a pro-abortion award named after eugenics proponent Margaret Sanger.

It wasn’t merely that she favored higher government spending. But that she supported the stimulus that every single House Republican in office opposed, on top of her support for the union-expanding card-check bill, on top of her ambiguous statements on the energy tax-imposing cap-and-trade bill.

Newt Gingrich, who foolishly stood with Scozzafava until she threw herself under the bus over the weekend, piously invoked Reagan and condemned the extreme “purism” of unruly conservatives who wouldn’t keep quiet about Scozzafava’s radical Left agenda.

But conservatives are not demanding “purity.” They are simply abiding by Reagan’s own wise counsel in 1975: “A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.”

The Republican National Committee and National Republican Congressional Committee threw an estimated $900,000 down the toilet for a candidate whose core views and political alliances undermined conservatism’s fundamental beliefs in limited government from day one. It was a reckless expenditure of the GOP base’s hard-earned money and a bitter tuition bill for a teachable moment on the perils of political expediency.

The days when immoderate political operatives and feckless Beltway opportunists could define “moderation” by their own warped yardsticks without pushback are over.

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  1. #1
    On November 4th, 2009 at 2:29 am, tbear44 said:

    2010 can’t come soon enough!

  2. #2
    On November 4th, 2009 at 2:42 am, jhn1 said:

    It is worse than that.

    The Beltway “R”s spent $4900,000 to establish the reputation of the eventual Owens campaigner.

    That said, her 6% more than covered the margin of victory, and I suspect her only votes were voters so oblivious that they did not know she quit.

  3. #3
    On November 4th, 2009 at 2:51 am, Radiopatriot said:

    Could this teachable moment have been any more exemplary? What a perfect illustration of everything that’s wrong with the Beltway Blue Blood Country Club Rockefeller Rock ‘n Rollin Republicans.

    Change? Oh yeah, change is in the wind. The big tent is about to be fumigated.

    Brava, Michelle! Thank you for so eloquently articulating the sentiments of many of us.

    Let it be known — the Party is over.

    Andrea Shea King
    The Radio Patriot

  4. #4
    On November 4th, 2009 at 2:52 am, Cadman said:

    jhn1

    I had read that some of her votes were via absentee…..mailed before she bowed out. I also believe that the “big tent” republicans voted D out of spite.

    Anyways, I’ve got a trunkload of ballots that somehow didn’t get turned in. Anyone wanna go on a road trip to NY-23?

  5. #5
    On November 4th, 2009 at 3:03 am, emjem24 said:

    “A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.”

    Apparently GOP squishes like McCaina and Graham think you can be ALL things to ALL people. And isn’t it so convenient that they use Ronnie Reagan as a shield against those who criticize them? That’s what I hate the most… the utter fakeness that these phonies employ to say they’re Reaganites even though they’ve pretty much fallen off the Reagan bandwagon.

    RINOs continue to say they’re “conservatives” when they’re nothing of the sort. Maybe at one time. Yet, now they’ve become brazen opportunists who have sold out their principles for a lifetime appointment. It all comes down to the expedient. The easy. The greed even.

    The RINO’s will always do what is easy. Not right. Not difficult. If they have to sell out conservatives and those they woo to earn a vote only to throw them aside when they can change their stripes to appeal to others they don’t have to “woo,” they’ll do it.

    I think what the NY-23 voters have forgotten that both parties present an image that often doesn’t live up to the light of day. I really wonder what Owens will accomplish during his “term” (if he does win)? How will he bring back economic prosperity to a region that hasn’t known it for the past decade or so? I’d really like to see how he does it.

    That said, I don’t feel any kind of sympathy for NY-23 voters who decided to part with their own principles for some fast promises from Washington. And they’ll still be left high and dry. Just like the rest of the Upstate region. If Hillary Clinton can promise 200,000 jobs to the region that never came, I’m sure Owens will be in good stead.

    Good luck trying to correct that sinking ship, NY-23. You’ll have a long wait.

  6. #6
    On November 4th, 2009 at 3:24 am, Speakup said:

    The RNC gave the Democrats exactly what they wanted, a RINO, to run to the left of their lefty and hand them the win on a silver platter.

    Hoffman didn’t split the vote, Dede Scozzafava did with the enabling of a clumsy, incoherent GOP.

    Thanks a lot. Absence of principles is now defined as 6k votes for a Democrat collaborator that stole victory from the ballot box and presented it to her party with a cute little bow on top.

  7. #7
    On November 4th, 2009 at 4:08 am, Jason L. said:

    The hilarious thing is that the MSM and the DNC have ignored the shocking defeats in the Gubanatorial Races in Virginia and New Jersey to say that this race showed that conservatives are “in trouble”. ‘Scuse me, Drive-bies, but Presieent Obama stumped for Corzine, and stumped f or the Democrat in the Virginia Gubernatorial race, and guess what? Prez O LOST!!!!!!

    And what if the GOP had backed Hoffman from the jump, instgead of Scozzafava? Hoffman would have been the winner.

    This is merely a show of the things to come in `10….

  8. #8
    On November 4th, 2009 at 4:11 am, Red State Skeptic said:

    What spin. Scozz had nothing to do with the result: Owens had 49% of the vote, meaning he would need only 1% of her 5% to have a majority. And Hoffman was anything but a no-name on election day.

    The obvious: despite massive voter enthusiasm on the right, they still couldn’t muster enough votes to keep a Dem from winning the district for the first time since the 1800s. Hoffman was simply too extreme for the district. This is a remarkable defeat for Limbaugh, Palin and the rest. You don’t represent mainstream America, or even a district as reliably Republican as NY-23.

    FAIL.

  9. #9
    On November 4th, 2009 at 4:12 am, Bill Stout said:

    Doug Hoffman showed the kind of courage and determination that it takes to win. Despite starting a mere 30 days ago, he managed to take down a RINO and nearly the Democrat who ended up winning. I for one am sick of the “big tent” crap that the RNC believes wins elections. Let the Democrats run on identity politics and drown in that well. We possess what Doug Hoffman had, and that is our belief in the principals upon which this nation was founded and these principals apply to all who seek a good life for themselves and their children. I salute Doug Hoffman for standing up for his beliefs and for seeking to serve his fellow citizens. Despite his narrow defeat, it is his example that will set the tone for the elections in 2010. Goldwater/Reagan conservatism is alive and well and that is exactly what the U.S. desperately needs right now.

  10. #10
    On November 4th, 2009 at 4:13 am, Hangfire said:

    Time for this guy to hit the rack. It’s been a long day, but….

    …..I will sleep better than in previous weeks.

  11. #11
    On November 4th, 2009 at 4:18 am, Red State Skeptic said:

    The hilarious thing is that the MSM and the DNC have ignored the shocking defeats in the Gubanatorial Races in Virginia and New Jersey to say that this race showed that conservatives are “in trouble”.

    msnbc.com: “Democrats lose ground in 2009 election test”

    cnn.com: “Big night for the GOP, despite NY loss”

    nytimes.com: “G.O.P. Wins Two Key Governors’ Races; Bloomberg Prevails in a Close Contest”

    washingtonpost.com: “Contests serve as warning to Democrats”

    yahoo.com: “GOP sweep: Big governor victories in Virginia, NJ”

  12. #12
    On November 4th, 2009 at 5:49 am, ThatSamIAm said:

    Yahoo is such a socialist liberal rag of a site. Their front page says has a link to a story entitled “Democrat wins House set in heavily GOP area of NY” and goes on to discuss NY-23. Not a word on what happened in New Jersey or Virginia. When you are blatantly in the tank for one side you have no credibility.

  13. #13
    On November 4th, 2009 at 5:54 am, bansharia said:

    MM,
    I think this was a bit too inside the beltway to be effective.
    That said keep it up. Will you be in DC Thursday?

  14. #14
    On November 4th, 2009 at 5:55 am, jhn1 said:

    to Cadman

    I had read that some of her votes were via absentee…..mailed before she bowed out. I also believe that the “big tent” republicans voted D out of spite.

    last I had looked, they hadn’t started to count absentee ballots yet.

    what I was trying to say was that the National GOP spent almost a million dollars to establish Scozza in the minds of the electorate as a candidate, a good candidate, ne to trust, and she spent that cred on Owens.

  15. #15
    On November 4th, 2009 at 5:57 am, bansharia said:

    Sam,
    yahoo has no position that I am aware of they are copy and paste news linkie
    site. Suspect the article you read was from AP, which most assuredly does pack their peanuts on the left.

  16. #16
    On November 4th, 2009 at 6:06 am, bansharia said:

    JH and Cad,
    Once someone tosses in the towel absentee ballots are not counted.
    if this is wrong please correct me.
    With that understanding I think this is a problem with the growing concern about the fraud that exists within the absentee process.
    Personally I think Hoffman jumped the shark by conceeding and if he can he must insist that the absentee votes be vetted for future FRAUD as this was a special election and these “voters” are now on the rolls. We saw in GA that Obambi/Eric Holder will not allow rolls be cleansed.
    well blah blah you get the drift someone somebody HAS to verify the validity of those votes and Hoffman team punted ;(.

  17. #17
    On November 4th, 2009 at 6:09 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Brava, Michelle, brava!!!

  18. #18
    On November 4th, 2009 at 6:12 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    On November 4th, 2009 at 5:57 am, bansharia said:

    yahoo has no position that I am aware of they are copy and paste news linkie site.

    Yahoo absolutely has a position, as does Google.

  19. #19
    On November 4th, 2009 at 6:15 am, Dandapani said:

    Better a donkey in office that acts like a donkey than a donkey in elephant’s clothing making a complete ass of the GOP.

    Brilliant phraseology! My sentiments exactly. The skunks in Congress need to wear the appropriate stripes or else the electorate becomes confused about who is really responsible for the messes the GOV keeps making!

  20. #20
    On November 4th, 2009 at 6:30 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Rasmussen’s final poll, showing a 46-43-8 Christie win, was pretty damn accurate. Polls using conventional human operators tended to show Corzine ahead. They were wrong.** … If you have a choice between Rasmussen and, say, the presitigous N.Y.Times, go with Rasmussen! … Why this is important: Rasmussen’s polls tend to show the highest level of opposition to health care reform.

    Loser: Obama, who tried to work his magic for Corzine and discovered it wasn’t there. (I don’t buy the “he invested his prestige” line. A President is still allowed to try to help in a tight race. But he was clearly not a transformative presence in this one. It was more an Olympics bid situation.)

    From Slate, no less!

  21. #21
    On November 4th, 2009 at 6:37 am, bansharia said:

    Red,
    while agree that googie smurfs do I am not aware that yahoo does.
    They never did b4 and if they do now that is a pity.
    Can you give me examples of how yahoo does?
    I am well aware of the googies and there antiAmerican ways.

  22. #22
    On November 4th, 2009 at 6:39 am, bansharia said:

    “their”
    and I ask this in all honesty am not aware of

  23. #23
    On November 4th, 2009 at 6:48 am, zorro said:

    Brava, Michelle! Thank you for so eloquently articulating the sentiments of many of us.

    Let it be known — the Party is over.

    Andrea Shea King
    The Radio Patriot

    Yes Radio, exactly!

    I only will support candidates with conservative principles, period. No more Specter’s, no more McCain’s, no “moderate” democrats. As Michelle stated above:

    Better a donkey in office that acts like a donkey than a donkey in elephant’s clothing making a complete ass of the GOP.

  24. #24
    On November 4th, 2009 at 6:49 am, Sergeant Tim said:

    Stay classy, HuffPo.

  25. #25
    On November 4th, 2009 at 6:53 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    bansharia,

    Yahoo shows bias in the spin of their headlines.

    It also appears that they have business alliances with pornography kingpins.

  26. #26
    On November 4th, 2009 at 6:59 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Once someone tosses in the towel absentee ballots are not counted.
    if this is wrong please correct me.

    I doubt it. Challanged and provisional ballots might not be counted depending on the margins of victory but here at least the absentee ballots are counted as soon as a precinct reports in. With scanners counting the paper ballots it takes only a few minutes. Without the hanging chads we are Gore proof.

    Our silly trolls can enjoy themselves but Hoffman’s showing, the dissin’of DeDE and the grass roots response shook the brass hats a tad. Only 365 days to the rematch. Hoffman has hit the ground running this time :)

  27. #27
    On November 4th, 2009 at 7:03 am, Sergeant Tim said:

    We saw Newt toot, “Scozzafava against card check,” and Steele echo that ill wind. Makes you wonder what publications they are reading when it is obvious both don’t read The Weekly Standard.

    The NRCC sent the wrong message and messengers when they supported a very liberal RINO. It will be difficult at best for them to sell they are for fiscal conservatives next year after that squandering of donations.

  28. #28
    On November 4th, 2009 at 7:18 am, rooster said:

    Keep the pressure on the GOP marxist elites, its their fault that a fellow traveler has won for the first time in a 100 years in NY23.

  29. #29
    On November 4th, 2009 at 7:21 am, rooster said:

    The skunks in Congress need to wear the appropriate stripes or else the electorate becomes confused about who is really responsible for the messes the GOV keeps making!</blockquote
    Exactamundo!

  30. #30
    On November 4th, 2009 at 7:26 am, marsouin said:

    I worry that these few small victories yesterday will render conservatives and libertarians complacent, as they are wont to do. The defeat of socialism will require DECADES of continued, unrelenting activist efforts. Now is not the time to ease up on the pressure, but rather increase it. After all, it has taken over 100 years for the socialists to bring America where we are today.

  31. #31
    On November 4th, 2009 at 7:33 am, gridlock said:

    Owens will lose this seat (probably to Hoffman) in 2010. Dede Scozzafava could have used the advantages of incumbency to secure this seat for as long as she wanted to hold onto it.

    I would gladly trade a year of ‘Rat control to RINO control in perpetuity.

  32. #32
    On November 4th, 2009 at 7:33 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    On November 4th, 2009 at 7:26 am, marsouin said:

    I worry that these few small victories yesterday will render conservatives and libertarians complacent, as they are wont to do

    Possibly, but I count on the fools of the Left to be so bold we can’t and the GrandPooBahs to be so arrogant we won’t.

    So mark that RNC solicitation YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING $900,000 FOR Scozzafava?

  33. #33
    On November 4th, 2009 at 7:44 am, conservativesRus said:

    On November 4th, 2009 at 4:11 am, Red State Skeptic said:
    … or even a district as reliably Republican as NY-23.

    Sorry RSS – please get your facts straight before spouting. The district is not “reliably Republican” – I understand it voted Obama, that is hardly reliably republican.

  34. #34
    On November 4th, 2009 at 7:46 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    Dede stayed classless and supported the Dem. The RNC and NRCC (and NEWT) all supported Dede.

    With GOP support like this, the Dems could take all seats in the house! :roll:

  35. #35
    On November 4th, 2009 at 7:48 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On November 4th, 2009 at 7:44 am, conservativesRus said:

    The district is not “reliably Republican” – I understand it voted Obama, that is hardly reliably republican.

    …well, when your choice is a liberal or a liberal…

  36. #36
    On November 4th, 2009 at 7:52 am, AmericaFirst said:

    RIGHT ON! RIGHT ON! RIGHT ON, MICHELLE!

  37. #37
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:00 am, Lindsay said:

    No matter how the liberals want to either spin this issue or ignore it, here is the fact: conservatives are a powerful force when awakened to socialism. Neither the RNCC nor the rest will be able to ignore this in the future. Are you listening, Newt?

    I had a call yesterday from a volunteer for the RNCC. We had a polite conversation, and I explained that the GOP would not get one more dime from us until they began supporting candidates like Marco Rubio of Florida, and those candidates with Reagan conservatism. The volunteer stated she knew where I was coming from and had heard it several times in her calls. They hear us…now, whether they choose to act only time will tell before 2010.

    Much gratitude to Hoffman for waking the sleeping giant of the GOP.

    As always, thank you, Michelle, for all you do.

  38. #38
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:03 am, USMCgramma said:

    THIS is the CHANGE we HOPED for! Thanks Michelle, Mr. Hoffman and conservatives everywhere! YEAH!

  39. #39
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:12 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    HAHHHAHAHAHHAHHAAAAAA!!!!

    I just visited the RNC web site. Michael Steele “can feel the groundswell in Virginia”. There are 9 comments (WOW) and none of them is congratulating the RNC!

    Hey, Mr. Steele, will you post anything about your help in the Republican defeat in NY-23? Somehow, I doubt it.

    Oh, and your site is a joke!

  40. #40
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:20 am, Ron said:

    No question conservatives are going to remain fired up about this for a long time. This just about wrote fini to Newt Gingrich’s political aspirations, whatever they might have been. The loss of a single seat in the House until 2010 isn’t going to make any difference to what Nancy Pilosi rams through the Congress/down our throats. The fact that Hoffman came very, very close in a chaotic race, and conservatives swept Virginia and New Jersey, may cause one or two “blue dogs” to think twice about supporting the Marxist agenda of the president and his radical, America-hating cronies.

  41. #41
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:21 am, corkie said:

    Better a donkey in office that acts like a donkey than a donkey in elephant’s clothing making a complete ass of the GOP.

    Yes.

    On November 4th, 2009 at 6:15 am, Dandapani said:

    The skunks in Congress need to wear the appropriate stripes or else the electorate becomes confused about who is really responsible for the messes the GOV keeps making!

    Yes.

    Let the liberals run as Democrats even if it gives them a majority. Let the Democrats own these deficits! Keep the Republican brand clean by ‘blowing up’ any election which features a liberal running as an R.

    When the voters finally realize that liberal fiscal policies don’t work, then the R’s will win back the majority, and we can get to work fixing this country.

    And make no mistake – the voters will vote for Republicans. The concept of balancing a checkbook isn’t radical or hateful.

  42. #42
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:23 am, graysonret said:

    As Obama becomes more and more irrevelant on the world stage, and people realize how big the tax bill will be, in the near future, conservative politicians will gain a firmer foothold in the government. I think that by Fall 2010, you’ll see that.

  43. #43
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:25 am, corkie said:

    On November 4th, 2009 at 7:33 am, gridlock said:

    I would gladly trade a year of ‘Rat control to RINO control in perpetuity.

    Yes.

  44. #44
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:26 am, dan708 said:

    The silver lining to Bill Owens’ win over Doug Hoffman (and departed Dede) is that he is only serving HALF a term. He will have to run again next year, possibly against our Mr. Hoffman, so he will be wise to listen to the voters of his district and not lurch too far left. I predict that if Owens supports Obama/Pelosi/ReidCare, he is screwed.

  45. #45
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:27 am, MichaelO said:

    We’ll get that seat back for the Dems next year… as long as a solid conservative ends up as he GOP nominee. However, Hoffman really was not a very good campaigner and looked completely uncomfortable in the spotlight. I like the guy and think his positions would have been great, but that district can do better. And will, come next November.

    The lessons have been delivered:
    1) the GOP has to back fiscal conservatives up front to win
    2) liberal RINOS will stick a knife in the conservative back the first chance they get.
    3) Third parties are- except in unique cases- not a viable path. Better to take back the GOP than go on those death marches.

  46. #46
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:30 am, conservativesRus said:

    On November 4th, 2009 at 7:48 am, On-my-soap-box said:
    …well, when your choice is a liberal or a liberal

    True but my point was the voters in that district have no particular affinity to the letter R as RSS seems to believe.

  47. #47
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:32 am, conservativesRus said:

    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:27 am, MichaelO said:
    3) Third parties are- except in unique cases- not a viable path. Better to take back the GOP than go on those death marches.

    I’d like to believe you but when the horse you’ve been riding has both brain and lung cancer, it might be easier/better to find a new horse than to get treatment for the ailing one.

  48. #48
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:32 am, RedDog said:

    It’s a real disappointment that Doug Hoffman lost, But had the Republicans supported him from the beginning he would have won in a landslide. This defeat says more about the feckless cowards in Republican leadership (who refused to stand for conservative principles) than it does about the strawman of a failed strategy.

    We have only begun to fight. The message has been sent and, I’m sure, received loud and clear.

  49. #49
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:33 am, corkie said:

    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:27 am, MichaelO said:

    the GOP has to back fiscal conservatives up front to win

    Yes.

    Republicans will not win if they don’t run a fiscal conservative.

  50. #50
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:35 am, zyzzyg said:

    The rules need to be changed. That is the lesson that should be learned.

    The existing rules were followed and the result was this debacle. The people should have a greater voice in selecting the candidates in special elections.

    It may not have to be a full out primary, but something close to a convention, or Iowa type caucus.

    The several Republican committees that ended up selecting Scozzafava, within the established and accepted rules, was fraught with peril. This process revealed the cozziness that may exist between Party Chairs (and, committee members) and people who currently hold office. Did her ability to win repeatedly in Upstate New York color their decision to select her? Did she have better name recognition? What do Party Chairs, and committee members, do when they are not selecting candidates?

    Even if the rules had been changed, and an alternate mechanism was used to arrive at a Republican candidate, there is no guarantee that it would have been Hoffman, or not been Scozzafava.

    Be careful of what you ask for, because you just might get it.

  51. #51
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:36 am, RedDog said:

    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:26 am, dan708 said:
    The silver lining to Bill Owens’ win over Doug Hoffman (and departed Dede) is that he is only serving HALF a term. … I predict that if Owens supports Obama/Pelosi/ReidCare, he is screwed.

    On the mark. I am still surprised Hoffman lost. But he will get the last laugh, I’m certain of that. Democrats are puckered up tight right about now.

  52. #52
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:38 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “They’re in a civil war over the definition of their party,” said Paul Blank, a Democratic consultant. “And the extremists have won.”

    I just love how the Democrats are so concerned with the Republican Party. Isn’t it touching?

    The m.o. starting this weekend is to label Hoffman and his supporters as “extreme”. So any conservative is extreme. That is the end game.

    I sure hope someone on Fox at least challenges the likes of Geraldine Ferraro or Bob Beckle, etc., as they all are using the same lingo and must’ve gotten the memo. It is quite humorous when they charge us on the right of being mindless robots who take are orders from Rush Limbaugh when the left’s talking heads use exactly the same phrase over and over and over.

    Get ready to hear it lots through the weekend…”The extremist of the right wing caused a RINO to lose…”

  53. #53
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:39 am, RedDog said:

    BTW For a conservative to beat Corzine by 4 points in Jersey is tantamount to a landslide anywhere else.

  54. #54
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:41 am, John Deaux said:

    I heard Bob Constantini from CNN on the radio this morning explaining that he thought it was voter rejection of the ultra conservative tea party activists interfering in their district.

  55. #55
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:41 am, RedDog said:

    On November 4th, 2009 at 3:24 am, Speakup said:
    Hoffman didn’t split the vote, Dede Scozzafava did with the enabling of a clumsy, incoherent GOP.

    EXACTLY… and I’m sure they got the message, although they will continue to deny the truth of it.

  56. #56
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:42 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    HAHAHHAHHAHHAAAAAAA!!!!

    Okay, I can’t stand it. I just hovered over the “ACT” tab on the RNC web site and there is a “Donate for Democracy” button. Just shows how out of touch REPUBLICans in the RNC are.

    From the Donate tab:

    The new Republican National Committee is working hard to expose the irresponsible policies of the Democrats in Washington, but we need your financial support to do this vital work.

    The “New” Republican National Committee bites!

    I think I will donate for my Republic and support conservatives.

  57. #57
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:45 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “This process revealed the cozziness that may exist between Party Chairs (and, committee members) and people who currently hold office.”

    Yep. And that’s why over all the whole matter has been a great thing for conservatives. The light shining on the “process” is what will allow the process to be repaired. And if heads don’t roll at the national RNC level, they will see contributions continue to drop.

    The impact of NY-23 is not some “civil war” as it will be cast and is already being cast by the bias media. It is a cleansing and a refocusing. It is all good as a result.

    And I’m guessing it is disturbing to the liberals despite the Democrat win in NY-23.

    The left and Obama have under estimated just how motivated conservatives are. And we aren’t going to quit just because the RNC leadership is still on the Democrat-lite agenda philosophy.

    The more we see about how a RINO got put up as a candidate the better it is.

    Her endorsing a Democrat is a tremendously positive thing for conservatives. Couldn’t have asked for a better choice on her part to wake people up!

    What a great off election this was. I mean wow! Can’t wait for 2010.

  58. #58
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:46 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “voter rejection of the ultra conservative tea party activists interfering in their district.”

    Get ready to hear more of that. Of course any “tea party” were local folks and not outsiders. But hey, who needs the facts?

  59. #59
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:50 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    “ultra conservative tea party”

    “extreme right wing”

    “Rush Limbaugh ditto heads”

    May even hear a “Dede got swiftboated…” at some point.

    Going to hear lots of it AND you will hear some of it from “Republicans”.

  60. #60
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:53 am, jsmiddleton4 said:

    This is a big story too. Can’t wait to see how this is portrayed by the main stream media. And wonder how the RINO’s from Maine are taking this kind of news from their state?

    Maine Voters Reject Gay Marriage Law

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/03/gay-marriage-vote-close-maine/

  61. #61
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:53 am, Truesoldier said:

    I would like to think that the local R leaders as well as Pete Seesions at the national level will be resigning in disgrace this morning, but I will not hold my breath. These guys are seriously out of touch with the base and need to go.

    I have not checked out a lot of the news on this yet, but I will be willing to bet that the MSM reproting today will list the GOP gains in VA and NJ, but temper it with the loss of this race in NY to help give Obama some cover.

  62. #62
    On November 4th, 2009 at 8:55 am, stillontheroad said:

    Oh, I am still waiting for the Conservative Conspiricy tag. They, and we know who they are, will do anything and everything to marginalize what the Conservative movement really is, Not Dem, not Repub it is conservative values and beliefs.

  63. #63
    On November 4th, 2009 at 9:01 am, ThatSamIAm said:

    The last minute conservative candidate did not win but he did flush out the democrat trying to sneak in as a republican. The RNC fell for the fraud but the voters did not. Moving forward we can only hope the RNC has learned from this and will make it much more difficult for these low lifes to committ the same sort of fraud.

  64. #64
    On November 4th, 2009 at 9:01 am, corkie said:

    The rules need to be changed. That is the lesson that should be learned.

    No.

  65. #65
    On November 4th, 2009 at 9:06 am, jangar said:

    I go back to my garden analogy. Weed the garden, plant better seed and get better fruit, even if it takes a season.

  66. #66
    On November 4th, 2009 at 9:09 am, pecze said:

    The NRSC called last night looking for money. I stopped the lady mid-pitch to tell her that I would not be giving any more money to the national “Republican” party until they start supporting conservative candidates. I told her that I would never contribute to a party that wastes $1 Million to support RINOs. It sounds like they’ve been hearing that a lot, because they had a canned response saying that they need our help to kill Obamacare. I told her it would be a waste of my money if all they do is give those dollars to any Liberal who puts an R next to their name. I then told her to take my name off their lists and that I would support individual candidates with my donations.

  67. #67
    On November 4th, 2009 at 9:15 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    It’s great being us.

  68. #68
    On November 4th, 2009 at 9:17 am, GladzKravtz said:

    Hoffman ran a darn good race and I’ll send money again if he runs next year.
    This temporary loss (the battle – not the war) should only make Hoffman stronger. (Not to mention the education we’ve all received on the RNC and RINOs and so-called moderates.)

    PS Michelle, I gave money because I found out about Hoffman and the NY-23 from your website. I don’t hear your name mentioned when the credit is doled out. Thank you Michelle.

  69. #69
    On November 4th, 2009 at 9:19 am, Mach1Duck said:

    To all our elected officials, federal, state and local.
    Listen to us, we are your employ!

  70. #70
    On November 4th, 2009 at 9:20 am, jangar said:

    I then told her to take my name off their lists and that I would support individual candidates with my donations.

    It’s great being us.

    They get into a bind and look to the people for money. No different than any other government beaurocracy. Follow the money.

  71. #71
    On November 4th, 2009 at 9:26 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Who are you calling “extremist?”

    Me? Considering the source it is a Badge of Honor to be hated by the hateful. Instead of arguing with Leftist Twits I often just mock them; they are cute when they get upset.

    I am starting a fund to buy purple floppy hats for our Beltway Republicans who endorsed radical leftist Dede Scozzafava: if they are going to be pimps they should look like pimps.

  72. #72
    On November 4th, 2009 at 9:32 am, Red State Skeptic said:

    On November 4th, 2009 at 7:44 am, conservativesRus said:

    Sorry RSS – please get your facts straight before spouting. The district is not “reliably Republican” – I understand it voted Obama, that is hardly reliably republican.

    How dare you contradict your dear leader?

    Handpicked by local party pooh-bahs and supported by Beltway GOP leaders, Scozzafava is vying to replace former GOP Rep. John McHugh, who abandoned his seat to accept President Obama’s nomination as Army Secretary. There’s certainly no urgency to tack left. The upstate New York district is as safe a Republican district as they come. The GOP has triumphed in every election there since 1871. Obama eked out a victory in the district last fall, but the Democrats have no real traction on the ground.

  73. #73
    On November 4th, 2009 at 9:44 am, irving said:

    The GOP leadership knows it cannot afford to rest on its laurels, continue business as usual, and bask in yesterday’s electoral victories without confronting its abysmal abdication of principled conservative leadership in NY-23.

    This is almost certainly untrue. Presuming that the leaders of the stupid party will learn their lesson is far too optimistic. It would be nice but I’ll believe it when I see it.

  74. #74
    On November 4th, 2009 at 9:44 am, granite said:

    On November 4th, 2009 at 9:26 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    …purple floppy hats for…Beltway Republicans…: if they are going to be pimps they should look like pimps.

    Oh, man, AN!
    Great pic!
    Right out of the terrible “super- – - -ah” (I did not coin the phrase back then – I believe the Hollywood press itself did) movies of the early 70s!
    LOL!!

  75. #75
    On November 4th, 2009 at 9:47 am, granite said:

    …readers’ RNC rejected solicitation forms of the day.

    Not enough time last night;
    but tonight, when I get home, I get to send back to the RNC another rejected solicitation form, with my advice, and on their dime!
    How good is that?!

  76. #76
    On November 4th, 2009 at 9:53 am, cheapseat said:

    spin it any way you want rss. moderates voted democrat rather than conservative. gee what a shock. we’ve been getting this shaft from these folks for years. snowe, mccain, graham, collins and specter. for years we’ve been told these folks were better than the democrat alternative. but after years we have come to the conclusion better the devil you know, democrats doing liberal things, than supposed republicans who do whatever they want when you really need them on an issue. we conservatives must not make religious issues a litmus test, but we must also not make republican just democrat light. we need to fight for common sense common ideology issues such less taxes and regulations which affect all americans, as well as changing abortion laws which large majorities of americans oppose, ie partial birth abortion and minor abortions w/o parental consent. roe v wade is SETTLED LAW, and no legislature or court is going to overturn it. now we must work to make it’s rules RATIONAL, AND IN THE WORDS OF REAGAN RARE.

  77. #77
    On November 4th, 2009 at 9:57 am, conservativesRus said:

    RSS – Please explain to me why you want to give more power to “officials” in government? It’s something I honestly don’t understand.

    Further – please change your name. A skeptic is one who questions things but you continuously just parrot the party line. You are the furthest thing from a skeptic.

  78. #78
    On November 4th, 2009 at 9:59 am, DBNinKY said:

    Better a donkey in office that acts like a donkey than a donkey in elephant’s clothing making a complete ass of the GOP.

    HEAR! HEAR!

  79. #79
    On November 4th, 2009 at 10:04 am, spaceycakes said:

    This is a remarkable defeat for Limbaugh, Palin

    Hmmm; were they running for office too?

  80. #80
    On November 4th, 2009 at 10:08 am, Red State Skeptic said:

    On November 4th, 2009 at 9:57 am, conservativesRus said:

    RSS – Please explain to me why you want to give more power to “officials” in government? It’s something I honestly don’t understand.

    Huh? Are you asking for a defense of government generally?

  81. #81
    On November 4th, 2009 at 10:09 am, Solo said:

    PS Michelle, I gave money because I found out about Hoffman and the NY-23 from your website. I don’t hear your name mentioned when the credit is doled out. Thank you Michelle.

    Ditto.

  82. #82
    On November 4th, 2009 at 10:18 am, DBNinKY said:

    Hoffman was simply too extreme for the district. This is a remarkable defeat for Limbaugh, Palin and the rest. You don’t represent mainstream America, or even a district as reliably Republican as NY-23.

    That is flat-out wrong! Up-state NY’ economy is in shambles and voters felt desperate enough to try a different course, by electing a Dem for the first time in a century.

    Scozz had nothing to do with the result: Owens had 49% of the vote, meaning he would need only 1% of her 5% to have a majority. And Hoffman was anything but a no-name on election day.

    Wrong again on both counts! Scozzafava, like a jealous child (if I can’t have it, he can’t either), ruined it for Hoffman by costing him independents. And the fact that Hoffman’s name was familiar by election day is no indication that his policies, outlook, or demeanor were known; in politics, building name recognition involves more than having voters know your moniker – they have to know and feel comfortable with you! MM is right: Hoffman did not have name recognition.

  83. #83
    On November 4th, 2009 at 10:19 am, txvet2 said:

    A lot can happen in a few months, but I really doubt that Hoffman will ever be heard from again. The leading names at the moment would probably be Matt Doheny and Paul Maroun, the only two other than Scozzafava to receive significant support from the county committees for this special election. Either one would probably be acceptable to the Conservative Party, although Doheny is pro-abortion.

  84. #84
    On November 4th, 2009 at 10:22 am, purplepeep said:

    Red State Skeptic said:

    “The GOP has triumphed in every election there since 1871.”

    Well, that’s incorrect. It last went Dem in 1993.

    What we now know now, from Scuzzyfava’s vote total, is that the “moderate Republicans” (ie. mixed-up Dems) only make up 5 % of the vote.

    If the local GOP has learned it’s lesson taking 23 back next year will be a piece of cake.

  85. #85
    On November 4th, 2009 at 10:24 am, DBNinKY said:

    Hmmm; were they running for office too?

    Some people seem to think so. It was such a narrow, narrow loss for a newcomer like Hoffman that Dems who are on record in support of ObamaCare and want to be reelected in 2010 are really beginning to worry.

  86. #86
    On November 4th, 2009 at 10:25 am, Yashmak said:

    +1 vote for Dem Health Care
    +1 vote for Cap & Trade
    +1 vote for Pelosi as Speaker.

    Awful heavy price for this lesson.

  87. #87
    On November 4th, 2009 at 10:35 am, Flyoverman said:

    Our gratitude and thanks to you Mr. Hoffman for your principled campaign and your courage.

  88. #88
    On November 4th, 2009 at 10:35 am, purplepeep said:

    Yashmak said:
    Awful heavy price for this lesson.

    You’d feel better if it were Scuzzyfava who was enabling Obama instead, Yashmak?

  89. #89
    On November 4th, 2009 at 10:37 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    Upstate NY Conservatives, GET UP. Get active in the local GOP organization. Take back the Party. Join committees. Don’t allow DIABLOs to be put forward for elections, ever again!

  90. #90
    On November 4th, 2009 at 10:39 am, chapoutier said:

    Well, that’s incorrect. It last went Dem in 1993.

    Neither of you is correct. NY-23 is a district that has been renumbered (it was the 26th for a while and maybe also the 24th) and reshaped many times. 62% of the current district hasn’t elected a Dem since 1870. The remaining 38% has elected one since, but not any part of the district has had a Democratic representative since 1978. And that is a very small part of the district.

  91. #91
    On November 4th, 2009 at 10:39 am, Flyoverman said:

    On November 4th, 2009 at 10:25 am, Yashmak said:

    Awful heavy price for this lesson.

    Not at all. 79 seat advantage goes to 80. Ain’t no thing.

    A small price to pay considering every Blue Dog Democrat in Congress and RINO’s everywhere just had their “Danger Will Robinson Alarm” go off.

    The Mexicans thought the Alamo was a win too. Not hardly.

  92. #92
    On November 4th, 2009 at 10:40 am, reshas1 said:

    It’s time that we define the Republican party, NOT the MSM and definately NOT the Democrats/Libs/Progressives….

  93. #93
    On November 4th, 2009 at 10:41 am, Yashmak said:

    You’d feel better if it were Scuzzyfava who was enabling Obama instead, Yashmak?

    Nope. Just pointing out that it’s really difficult to try and spin Hoffman’s loss of a seat Republicans have held for so long as a victory for conservatives.

  94. #94
    On November 4th, 2009 at 10:43 am, chapoutier said:

    Don’t allow DIABLOs to be put forward for elections, ever again!

    I know RINO, but what is a DIABLO?

  95. #95
    On November 4th, 2009 at 10:55 am, Speakup said:

    With friends like the RNC who needs Democrats enemies?

  96. #96
    On November 4th, 2009 at 11:07 am, DBNinKY said:

    …it’s really difficult to try and spin Hoffman’s loss of a seat Republicans have held for so long as a victory for conservatives.

    Aside from Hoffman’s lack of familiarity and Ms. Dee’s hissy fit endorsement of Owens, you don’t feel the outcome of this election was based more on anti-incumbency fervor – due to the poor economy – than a rejection of conservatism?

  97. #97
    On November 4th, 2009 at 11:12 am, DBNinKY said:

    Clarify: anti-incumbency = let’s go w/ the Dems

  98. #98
    On November 4th, 2009 at 11:12 am, chapoutier said:

    anti-incumbency fervor

    No no. You can’t claim anti-incumbency fervor. That would obviate your victories in New Jersey and Virginia. Well…at least New Jersey.

  99. #99
    On November 4th, 2009 at 11:15 am, granite said:

    On November 4th, 2009 at 10:08 am, Red State Skeptic said:

    On November 4th, 2009 at 9:57 am, conservativesRus said:

    RSS – Please explain to me why you want to give more power to “officials” in government? It’s something I honestly don’t understand.

    Huh? Are you asking for a defense of government generally?

    Stop right there.

    ConservativesRus’s request was clearly not, and in no way could be construed as, “Please explain generally how you can defend government.”

    The request was:

    Please explain to me why you want to give more (emphasis mine) power to “officials” in government?

    So, do you wish to accept the challenge, and explain whether – and why – you do or do not wish to give more power to officials in government?

    Or, do you wish to try the stale argument tactics of confusion and diversion, and answering a question that had not been asked?

    Or, do you wish to ignore the question?

  100. #100
    On November 4th, 2009 at 11:17 am, swede said:

    Yashmak said:
    Nope. Just pointing out that it’s really difficult to try and spin Hoffman’s loss of a seat Republicans have held for so long as a victory for conservatives.

    It’s not about the seat. It’s about the GOP. According to Rasmussen, half of the conservatives in the country now reject the GOP label. “There are more conservatives in the country than Democrats, and there are more Democrats than Republicans.” This is the reality. The GOP put $1 million behind a liberal RINO candidate here, who then threw her support to the democrat.

    Steering center left and trying to appeal to everyone ends up appealing to no one. The majority in the US is conservative, not Republican or Democrat. The message of NY 23 is that unless the GOP returns to conservative values and candidates, they are toast. Support and funding are drying up fast.

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