Battling Pelosicare; Update: Thousands descend on D.C., “You work for us!”
Scroll for updates…Fox News is livestreaming the Capitol protest here…
Hey, Nancy, look out the window. You can see health care protesters from your House.
Protest signs at the Capitol
House Republicans are holding a 12-hour live online telecast today starting at 1pm Eastern to expose the perils and pitfalls of Pelosicare — and to spotlight the GOP alternative.
You can tune in here. Spread the word.
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Reminder: Rep. Michele Bachmann, Mark Levin, and Jon Voight will join other House Republicans and grass-roots activists from across the country on the Capitol steps at noon today to protest the Democrats’ government health care takeover plans. Be there in spirit for Operation Housecall by melting the phones today.
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The CBO has scored the GOP health care reform alternative:
House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) issued the following statement after the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) confirmed in a letter tonight that the Republican health care plan will lower health care premiums by up to 10 percent and reduce the deficit by $68 billion over 10 years without imposing tax increases on families and small businesses:
“When it comes to reforming health care, controlling skyrocketing costs is the American peoples’ top priority. Now CBO has confirmed that the Republican plan will lower health care costs for American families, and that’s good news for everyone struggling in today’s economy. The choice now could not be clearer: Speaker Pelosi’s plan raises costs. Our plan lowers them.
“Not only does the GOP plan lower health care costs, but it also increases access to quality care – including for those with pre-existing conditions – at a price our country can afford. The cost of the Speaker’s bill, now at $1.3 trillion and counting, is a debt that will be paid for by our kids and our grandkids. The American people deserve a better solution, and Republicans’ smart, fiscally-responsible plans give them exactly what they want.”
NOTE: In a letter delivered tonight, CBO estimated that the GOP health care plan would reduce average private health insurance premiums per enrollee in the United States relative to what they would be under current law. Specifically:
• For the small group market (generally businesses with 2 to 50 employees), the GOP plan would reduce premiums in 2016 for example by up to 10 percent.
• For the individual market, the GOP plan would reduce premiums in 2016 by up to eight percent.
• For the large group market, the GOP plan would reduce premiums in 2016 by up to three percent.
Now is the time to disabuse Nancy Pelosi of the delusional notion that she “won” election night.
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When asked by CNSNews.com what specific part of the Constitution authorizes Congress to mandate that individuals must purchase health insurance, Sen. Roland Burris (D-Ill.) pointed to the part of the Constitution that he says authorizes the federal government “to provide for the health, welfare and the defense of the country.” In fact, the word “health” appears nowhere in the Constitution.
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Update 11:30am Eastern. Politico reports that thousands have descended on the Capitol. There have been a few arrests… of Code Pinkos who protested at Joe Lieberman’s office.
Capitol Police arrested nine protesters Thursday morning in the Hart Senate office building as thousands of Tea Party activists descended on the Capitol building to protest the trillion dollar health care bill and government spending.
The gathering was organized by local Tea Party groups around the country, who are arriving in Washington this morning by the busload. Conservative leaders in Congress, led by Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), have taken to the airwaves to encourage the activists to show up on the Capitol steps and demand meetings with members of Congress. The crowd is expected to grow into the thousands by noon, when Bachmann has promised to lead some protesters to a press conference inside the Capitol to express their opposition to the health care bill in person to members of Congress.
Speaking on conservative talker Laura Ingraham’s radio show this morning, Bachmann encouraged people listening to show up on the West Front steps, but she said they should show up with “cameras” instead of “pitchforks.”
A Capitol Police spokeswoman confirmed to POLITICO that nine activists were arrested in the Hart building, and they are being processed at police headquarters. All the buildings in the Capitol complex remain open for now.
The protesters, who are occupying the patch of grass only a few yards from where Barack Obama took the oath of office on Jan. 20, are chanting “you work for us!” Many are holding signs that echo their distrust of Obama and their belief that he is pursuing socialist policies.
Attendees report that crowd is shouting “Kill the bill!” and calling out Pelosi. Follow #housecall for live tweets.
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Drudge reports 2 suspects caught. Four SWAT officers wounded.
Seven dead (?) and 20 (?) wounded means a lot of rounds were fired. One report mentioned “high powered rifle” but that is pretty vague.
Not going to jump to conclusions about who and why…
Burris went to law school and knows that the Federal Government has no general power to legislate for the health and welfare of the people. The Constitution gives Congress and the executive branch specific enumerated powers. All other powers are reserved to the states. For the Democrats to dismiss the consitutional question about healthcare mandates is crazy. Sadly, I think they will use the power of the purse to achieve their objectives. The can make states do the dirty work by holding out big $$$ as incentives to comply with the Federal program. Or else this fits into the currently warped view that anything that substantially affects interstate commerce or uses the intrumentalities of interstate commerce can be regulated (even thought healthcare cannot currently be sold across state lines). I long for a return to the original intent.
MSNBC (yeah yeah) reporting all victims and assailants are military and that there were indeed 3.
breaking….7 killed – 30 hurt at Ft. Hood…Ft. Hood in lock down…
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572305,00.html
Hey Chap…Thank you for attending the rally and for your assessment! Seriously, you are very brave for your willingness to go into the lion’s den. I am truly starting to think you are a conservative “troll” pretending to be liberal!!
I don’t see any news of attacks on other bases. GOOD.
Anybody see any?
No, Chappy’s report does not appear to be correct. The suspects were in uniform but the Army has NOT confirmed they are actually soldiers.
It seems reasonable that someone infiltrating the base would dress in uniforms to aid access to the facility.
See the video at MSNBC for confirmation. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/33681311#33681311. This is clarified about 1:45 minutes into the video.
Not quite sure which would be worse.
It may be true that the Dems don’t give a “hoot in hell” what the American people think or want, but they DO WANT TO KEEP THEIR CUSHY JOBS. Some pols will do anything to keep this job. That being said, I am convinced that protests and demonstrations like this one will cause some of them (not all) to vote against this bill. I go to every Tea Party I can and don’t believe any of the press on TV, those pols know about and think about these protests. It is critical that we keep yelling at them via protest, email, fax, phone, anything! We know they are NOT patriots and we STILL have the power of the vote – be sure to use it wisely. If we do not, armed insurrection by fed-up Americans could be next!!
Either way would be bad. I could go down to a surplus store and for less than a couple hundred put together a reasonable uniform that would pass for the real thing. It isn’t hard to get uniforms and the closer you are to a post the easier it is to get stuff.
One report said they can’t or haven’t confirmed that all the victims are military either.
Right now, it is safe to say few, if anyone, knows exactly what happened. Right now, they don’t even know if there was a 3rd shooter.
What a mess. I didn’t spend much time at Hood and I don’t know anyone posted there now but my heart goes out to the those wounded and killed and their families. The safest place in America should be on a military post…
The casualty report on Drudge keeps changing. It now reads 9 killed and dozens wounded. There have been at least two different headlines in the last 5 minutes.
Again, nobody knows what is going on at this point…
12 DEAD 31 WOUNDED.
All 3 arrested or dead were all us soldiers.
This is getting werid.
I have checked Drudge, CNN, MSNBC, FoxNews and none of them have confirmed the number of shooters, the number of victims, and whether all shooters or victims are US military or not.
Who has a good source?
I just watched the commanding general of ft hood say 12 dead 31 wounded.
I am waiting to hear the names of the shooters. That could tell us a lot.
I am watching Obama make comments about the shooting, and he is making part of this about HIM. Surprise, surprise. What a jerk.
From another post: A great Ann Coulter synopsis of part 1 of the problem.
1. Employer-provided insurance: employees think healthcare is basically free. So those not on an employer’s plan think they should get “free” care too.
2. Trial lawyers and tort reform
3. Fraud
4. Government control: big giveaway programs, and the restrictions on interstate sale of insurance.
Provide more doctors, facilities and a free market, and all but the extremely poor and indigent could pay their own way. And those numbers could be managed by the system easily. Once again, government meddling has created a perverse system of regulations and “insurance” that is completely unworkable. As long as politicians and Marxist power brokers are in charge instead of analysts and healthcare professionals, we will never fix this.
http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/article.cgi?article=336
MSNBC just released another update with the following:
There was no word on a 2nd or 3rd shooter. Most reports have indicated there were “more than one” shooter.
43 casualties is a lot for two shooters. Of course, the vast majority of troops on the post were under arms and the shooters would have known that and used it to their advantage…
Watching CNNLive now. http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream1
The just confirmed 3 shooters. One, referred to the ‘primary shooter,’ is dead and two others in custody.
Confirmed all shooters were soldiers. How sad.
On CNNLive, Major General Cone stated that there were three shooters and all are soldiers.
One appears to be dead and two others are in custody.
12 dead and 31 wounded appears to be an accurate number.
Two weapons used by the “primary shooter” were both handguns. The “primary shooter” is apparently dead.
Typo.
Most troops on US posts do not walk around armed…
I want names. I want those 3 heads on pikes on the front gate of fort hood.
From ABC News.com
I am going to guess that if Major Hasan killed or wounded 43 soldiers there was another weapon involved or he reloaded a couple of times. I don’t know of a long of handguns that store 43 rounds…
Major Hasan appears to be in custody and not the shooter who was killed.
There are conflicting reports on whether Major Hasan is dead or alive. One site lists him as dead and another site lists an Army Major in custody.
Again, details are obviously confused.
Malik Nadal Hasan? Reminiscent of Colonel of the Egyptian Army, and sergeant in the US Army Ali Muhammad, key player in the Kenya bombings, security and transportation/bodyguard for Usama BinLaden, as well as the 9/11 attack.
I don’t care what his current status is as long as his head is on a pike, on top of the gate by the end of the day.
Major Malik Nadal Hasan
Must be post-traumatic stress syndrome or a bad marriage.
Nothing to see. Move along.
Should we “assume” anything from this guy’s name? Will the government ever tell us what really happened?
Paraphrasing:
Wolf Blitzer: They are in a Readiness Center where they are basically completing physicals, filling out paperwork…they generally would not be armed in a situation like this right?
Some Woman: No. There would be no reason whatsoever for them to be armed.
Well, I am thinking of a pretty good reason right now.
Major Malik Nadal Hasan
I am guessing he is a hard core mormon.
The name says a lot. If there are more shooters, check out their names. I’m just saying…
Anyone know if the late Major Hasan was a Middle-Eastern American, a white convert to Wahhabism like al Qaeda member Adam Gadahn, a Black Muslim, etc?
Converts are usually the most radical, but could a Muslim convert make O-4?
Conversion to the modern day equivalent of the Molech cult, a vicious god who demanded the blood of children, would suggest mental illness.
The first thing that popped in my head was a domestic terrorist…but a Major?!
The “Commander-in-Chief” is set to make a statement soon.
The idiot, Sheperd Smith, at FoxNews is implying that Maj. Hasan was “unhappy” about deploying to Iraq or Afghanistan. So he kills 11 people and wounds 31 in protest?
Give me a break!!!
If Major Hassan had assistance, it was more than just “Sudden Jihad Syndrome”.
It was a conspiracy.
Anyone remember the Muslim NCO in Kuwait who killed several soldiers on the eve of ‘Operation Iraqi Freedom’?
Don’t hear much about him. I’d hope he is in line for execution. I hope not by lethal injection. That is for faithful family pets that have lived a decade or more and are now old, sick and in pain.
Firing squad, or, better yet, hanging.
The cries of “hater” and “racist” are already out over noticing that Major Malik Nadal Hasan was a muslim!!
Let the condemned flip a coin
I profiled before I heard his name. Does that make me racist?
Shoot him while hanging him!
In my book that implies intelligence on your part, something that is lacking on the part of most of politically correct in this country!
FTF:
Prayers and thoughts to the families of loved ones at Ft Hood.
Report from DC Rally:
The crowd of caring primarily elder Americans was fired up ( I have no idea of crowd size as was way up in what I thought was PERFECT positioning center of building and alas the stage was oddly over the right). DRAT
The event started late and we soon discovered why, when the doors opened behind Bachmann, Voight and Levin every single ( or damn near ) GOP Congressman came pouring out. That was exciting until after the Big Three spoke they felt the need to each speak themselves.
A number of them were walking the front of the crowd and shaking hands in that smarmy way Pols do sigh.
I am very thankful to have spent the day with so many passionate people and thank Michelle Bachmann for organizing the event. We did not go into any of the buildings to meet up, having no expectation of being able to and had long drive back to PA. Was well worth the time and effort to go.
a Note to politicians:
stop being JERKS and using crowds like this for photo-ops. It is truly VERY annoying.
One of the best part of the tea party rallies has been for the most part politicians are NOT allowed to talk.
What’s next on the One’s political agenda:
1) Come out with a strongly worded teleprompter service decrying the violence of the U.S. Military
2) San Fran Nan proposing a gun control bill covering the Army…
Hey! The shooter has a name like our president! Who woulda thunk it?
Anyone want to bet on the names of the other two “suspects”? Sounds like hate crime to me.
*As always, no PC bovine scatology from me; We are dealing with a 7th century invented religion of death cult savages!; Sooner or later it’s gonna be “pick a side, it’s on”!
*As for those that have died, been wounded, and family members, I shall lift them up in my thoughts and prayers.
I watched some of the statements/speeches by various congress critters today. Besides the fact that most of them were horrible it made the whole thing look like a Republican campaign rally. I’d bet every single one of them have voted for numerous pork projects and expansions of federal programs and will continue to do so when nobody is looking. It really looked like just so many politicians eagerly trying to get to the front of a parade.
I think it should be made VERY clear that politicians are NOT welcome at these rallies unless they keep their mouths shut and their hands to themselves. Period! They just can’t help themselves…the politician sleeze just comes out naturally. They need to be put in their place. If they aren’t specifically invited to speak, they should be told politely, but firmly…no thanks. There should be specific speakers and no one should be allowed to speak that weren’t asked to do so. In fact, that is just plain rude and a total hijacking of the rally. Name names and write to them…next time, STFU.
JSR,
The first few after the BIG Three were fine than there was growing grumbling in the crowd as it became obvious every
one of them wanted their time in front of the mic. SHAME ON THEM
The ironic part is that they would have garnered greater respect if they had stood there and shutup.
Put the perpetual campaign aside and be one of us, be as angry as we are THAT is all we ask. Again, I have no regrets for going but I am a wee bit irked some
tried to make it about THEM.
Happy,
I have no idea what went on behind the scenes as I said it was very exciting to see them all pouring out of the doors. It was sure not mentioned on the invitiation that after the featured speakers would do their thing……
Also as an aside what I have also liked about the numerous rallies I have gone to in the past is they are short an hour or so. They are hard hitting fast and to the point, peopl;e remain fired up. Perhaps those hippie rallies went on so long as they were in some drugged out stupor
BACK from Indiana.
Internet deprived since Sunday and so much excitement happened. At least I got to watch Fox news.
Where’s my Kingfish??????
Tried to call both senators. Webb had a message encouraging me to call during business hours (which I can’t) and Warner let me leave a message. Awkward because I’m not used to this, but I have to start somewhere, and maybe the way it was obvious I don’t do this every week made an impact or something. I wish I’d said something about supporting Frank Wolf’s thirty days online thing.
Too bad my fellow Repubs waited until we are the precipice of bankruptcy caused by a lunatic socialist administration before proposing a fix to our health care system. Perhaps if we are ever in power again they will wake the f*** up, and deal with issues before Dems get their filthy hands on them.
He was an American citizen born and raised in America. Was always a Muslim and people who knew him say he was known to make comments in opposition to the US being in Iraq and Afghanistan. He was a psychiatrist at Walter Reed for 6 years before being sent to Fort Hood. He was about to be deployed to Afghanistan and was doing everything possible to try to get out of it.
Yep, letting the Muslims in and letting them stay in their “culture” was a GREAT idea…. letting the Mexicans in and providing every damn thing in Spanish for them was a GREAT idea….
Conservatives, are we going to clean house, or what?
We did it to ourselves.
“We Have Met The Enemy And He Is Us”…..
This criminal is apparently still alive.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_fort_hood_shooting
I think I am happy about this.
I agree, Chap. I’m glad he’s alive and it looks like he’ll be okay too. There is a lot of speculation and contractory information coming out. Before I judge the situation, I’ll wait for the real facts. I’m amazed at his shooting. 43 casualties with 2 handguns? Anyway, we’ll find out the real motives, rather than get all sorts of speculation, because the gunman is dead.
No speculation is needed to know there are a lot of dead and wounded people because of the acts of a Muslim adherent who has had issues with the Military.
Given everything else we know about radical Muslims since 9/11, it doesn’t take an FBI Profiler to KNOW his religious beliefs were integral to his thinking.
Heard ABC and CBS say “a large group opposed to healthcare reform” showed up at the US capitol building, rather than say that you were opposed to the government take over of 1/6th of the nation’s economy or that you didn’t agree with barry hussein’s plan to control our healthcare. Quite the f-ed up spin I’d say.