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With a handgun you need disciplined aim, especially with the recoil you would get with heavy duty armor piercing rounds. He was ready for this, I think he probably had it planned at least in his head before he got his deployment orders. Scumbag.
The PC crap is is the downfall of our country. Walton and johnson this morning talked about this first thing when they came on this AM. They also said that the media would not talk about the Islamic connection and also CAIR was quick to comment. The AHOLEs
He knew Frointeirguy. He gave away furinture, he went to his neighbor and tried to give her a koran. he left a message on his door. OH he knew and it probably went through his head many times.
Rep Todd Akin (R-Mo) is learning the Pledge of Allegiance. I do not think the Pledge upsets liberals, I think not knowing it, upsets us all. Especially, if you are a member of Congress.
I can only wonder about the stupidity of much of the media. Do they really think that the public isn’t onto them when they practice political correctness? That we don’t sniff out the lies and fraud behind their reports and don’t hold them in contempt when we do? Or do they live in a hermetically sealed cocoon?
I heard this morning the Base commander made a point of saying “many” of the wounded were from ricochets, and in a crowded space I could imagine a single slug or its fragments striking more than one person. Havent heard the caliber or ammo type, but I would guess by the number of innocents killed it was no .22. A 9mm or even a .380 could easily pass through one and strike another. All speculation at this point of course.
I read somewhere today the pregnant soldier was shot in the back, the police officer in the leg but yet had the fortitude to fire off her weapon and take him down (though there is confusion on that one too – her partner also fired).
Hasan apparently took military special weapons courses too, yet his brother said he was afraid of guns?
Is it true that Rangel has been cleared of all wrong doing by the ethics committee?
They feel we are too stupid to figure out the PC. Just like when the pol’s say we are stupid,nazi’s etc. It just fires my butt up and makes me more focused on my life to prove that what you are is what you make yourself. You did not come out of your mother knowing how to drive a car. You learned and worked to get where you are. If not you failed and if you didn’t learn sorry.
Haven’t seen that ctmom. if you have a report please let us know.
That would make sense with the description of the place being full of cubicles.
If anyone has seen this yet on Drudge:
PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail; Failure to Comply, 5 Years in Prison. As we say in the service WTF over?!!!
Just read that. I am going to prison or die before I pay.
H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]
– - – - – - – - – -
“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]
– - – - – - – - – -
“Criminal penalties
Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:
• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]
I read that he was using a 5.7mm handgun. The only 5.7mm handgun with which I’m familiar is the FN Five-seveN chambered for a 5.7x28mm round originally developed for a personal defense weapon (PDW) known as the FN P90 (ever watch SG-1 or Stargate Atlantis?). The magazine capacity for the FN 5.7 is 20 rounds. I also read that he reloaded at least once.
ECS
ethics in congress…truly an oxymoron….
The FN 5.7x28mm handgun has about as much recoil as a .22 Magnum, and AP rounds are not available for purchase in gun stores, at gun shows, through the mail, or over the internet. I agree that it was planned well in advance.
ECS
pack your bag for jail or get a second job…piglosi and whoever wrote this bill is totally delusional…they have absolutely no idea how little the average American makes. Some seniors and low income people don’t even make $15K a year…
http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?...
PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail
JCT Confirms Failure to Comply with Democrats’ Mandate Can Lead to 5 Years in Jail
Friday, November 06, 2009
Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.
In response to the JCT letter, Camp said: “This is the ultimate example of the Democrats’ command-and-control style of governing – buy what we tell you or go to jail. It is outrageous and it should be stopped immediately.”
Key excerpts from the JCT letter appear below:
“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]
- – - – - – - – - -
“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]
- – - – - – - – - -
“Criminal penalties
Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:
• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]
When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.
“The Senate Finance Committee had the good sense to eliminate the extreme penalty of incarceration. Speaker Pelosi’s decision to leave in the jail time provision is a threat to every family who cannot afford the $15,000 premium her plan creates. Fortunately, Republicans have an alternative that will lower health insurance costs without raising taxes or cutting Medicare,” said Camp.
According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.
I guess we will be going to jail. We only pay $4800/yr now. That is for 2 adults and 1 child.
Agreed, although I don’t beleive under the circumstances of general security at any US military installation that he would have needed armor-piercing handgun rounds to do this kind of damage to all victims.
The handgun is most difficult of the three gun types (handgun, rifle, Shotgun, in that order) to master effectively. He knew what he wanted to do, developed the expertise and stealthiness to execute his plan, and then went for it; I think it would be instructive to find out where he went after hours…I’d bet he got additional instruction in handgun employment than what is typically offered to someone in his capacity.
I’d look for Al-Qaeda links if it was me investigating this.
There has never been a more important time to support our U.S. Armed Forces
I humbly ask you to join with me in showing our appreciation in a very tangible way.
Here’s info on the 5.7 mm.
Time has an article about Hasan today.
Hi, Jeff!
Have you been eating your leftover Halloween candy?
At the risk of offending the many contributors here, all of whom I greatly admire and respect, and at the risk of seeming to side with Jugears who said “Don’t jump to conclusions”, I think Time called this one right.
Fair and balanced.
nlebou
Are you back from dinner?
Where’d you go and what’d you have to eat?
Enquiring minds want to know!
Got a response to my email to Senator Jim “Call Me During Office Hours Only” Webb. I mentioned in my email that I grew up with Tricare and knew public health options were poor and private ones were better. He assured me they were going to “strengthen” TriCare and that he understood the importance of “quality” health care for military and vets. His entire response was about TriCare, and I had only used it as an example as to why I wanted him to vote against the bill. I think he needs to be more accessible to his constituents.
I’ve heard of FN’s 5.7mm handgun..they’ve trying to get armies to adopt it….considering that the standard rifle round is 5.45x45mm and this is 5.7x28mm, this makes it somewhere in between the 9x19mm (9mm) and the 5.45NATO rifle round. Also considering it is delayed blowback like most semi-auto handguns, it probably kicks somewhat like a magnum-caliber handgun-not something that would not be standard issue to most women in police or the armed forces in all likelyhood.
Thanks for the article, Jeff2161
MSNBC had it’s twitter account hacked…Too Funny catch the screen capture. What could it possibly mean, it’s so cryptic SARC.
http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/06/msnbc-having-a-bad-friday-nsfw/
I know it’s wikipedia, but the information is correct.
Note that the velocity provided is from the P90 which has a barrell about twice as long as the FN Five-seveN’s. The P90 is a NFA firearm due to the short barrel (for a long gun) and select-fire capability. Since the barrel on the pistol is shorter, penetration with any projectile will be less.
I’ve already noted that AP rounds are not available to the general public in this caliber.
ECS
I couldn’t get through to my rep tonight. I hope this is a good sign; have we been melting phones?
It’s truly a pity this pig/dog didn’t die from the four rounds he received. He just got VERY expensive for all of us. He’s also a hero in the Muslim world.
The five seven looks impressive. Thanks for the info.
I emailed my rep AGAIN last nite. God help us if this health “care” bill is passed.
Only if the magnum-caliber handgun is a .22 Magnum. BTW, the M1911A1 in .45 ACP and the M9 in 9x19mm kick less that the .357 Magnum revolver that was the standard for police as late as the 1970′s. The FN Five-seveN isn’t even in the .38 Special class for recoil.
Please don’t try to make the pistol used into some sort of cannon. It isn’t.
ECS
This has been, frankly, a pretty downer open thread so far.
I am not saying that is not for good reason. But I have to post something a bit more light hearted.
For one, there is an adorable kitty trying to lay on the keyboard right now.
Second, I love Indian food. Really love it. I made an amazing “Bengali-Style Fish” tonight that was out of this world. Had never tried this recipe before. The great thing is I think the base sauce would work very well with chickpeas and potatoes if you wanted to go vegetarian and/or very cheap.
chapoutier
Someone hacked MSNBC’s Twitter Account take a look at the messages they left about Obama and Olbermann and Maddow and Chris Matthews pretty funny. It appears that MSNBC has a crush on Glenn Beck LOL!
http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/06/msnbc-having-a-bad-friday-nsfw/
<blockquoteIt’s truly a pity this pig/dog didn’t die from the four rounds he received. He just got VERY expensive for all of us.
I disagree. I think the families of those killed and those who were wounded by him should be able to stare this man in the face and tell him what a POS he is. Then we kill him.
Technically, I am against the death penalty. Realistically, I am not going to lose any sleep by having to look the other way as the switch is thrown.
Same with John Allen Mohammed next week.
ACORN’s office in NOLA were raided today by the LA AG’s office.
http://redinktexas.blogspot.com/2009/11/cutting-down-acorn-tree-and-poisoning.html
BTW the PS90 is the civilian version of the P90.
Laree,
Very funny. You should preface that link with a NSFW though, for the more delicate among us.
That is my fault.
Aw, which one?
Interesting aside.
My wife, who, politically at least, makes me look like Bill Buckley, wants to learn to shoot a handgun. Did not see this coming.
I suppose I should just sign her up for courses by someone who knows what the hell they are doing.
Gidget, our young female. She has moved on though. Her nickname is “Fidget” because she cannot stay still for more than 30 seconds.
Me thinks she suffers from KDD.
For God’s sake, Chaps! Don’t you know that Indian food is about doctoring food with spices so as to cover up the spoilage?
I saw that K.
<blockquoteFor God’s sake, Chaps! Don’t you know that Indian food is about doctoring food with spices so as to cover up the spoilage?
I am pretty sure the cod I bought for $13/lb wasn’t spoiled.
But in any case, spoilage can lead to deliciousness if controlled. What do you think cheese is? Ever had dry aged steak? Even in the wine world, there is a technique where basically you allow grapes to spoil and shrivel on the vine. It is called “Noble Rot” and makes super concentrated, unctuous dessert wines.
Oy. I am using a new browser and it keeps messing up the quote function!
I was terribly unfair to Jim Webb. Messages can be left at at least one of his regional offices. This is why I shouldn’t post things right away.
Oh my, I seem to have captured the attention of the legendary Chaps.
What could I do with him while he is here?
Let’s try something authentic.
I just brought home in an ice chest a nice selections of meats from:
http://www.moodymeats.com
I am A-OK. Thank you for asking. Hope all is well with you and yours too!
I don’t know where you live, Chapoutier, but you might like these links
http://www.2asisters.org/eventcalendar.html
http://www.nrahq.org/education/index.asp
The NRA has programs specifically for women, also.
Chaps, we are not talking about spoilage in a good way.
In extreme poverty and deprivation, we are talking about peoples who have been close to starvation and death.
East Indians don’t mind that. They are comfortable with the transitory aspect of life, the impermanence of it.
I see he processes venison. Reminds me of our butcher back home. Doesn’t have a fancy website, though.
One of the regional delicacies back home is “jerked venison” wherein we brine the venison for about 3 days in a mixture of spices and bacon grease before grilling it . it is as good cold the next day is it is fresh off the grill!
Message I just sent to Colorado District 1 House Rep Diana DeGette, regarding Pelosi’s end-run vote on Obama-Care on Saturday –
Your Honorable Ms. DeGette,
As an American Citizen and a lifetime tax payer, recently laid off from my job due to the weak economy, I’d like to weigh in on the upcoming vote on healthcare.
The reason I’m out of work now is because of government overregulation and mismanagement of housing, finance, business, and virtually every other aspect of our lives.
The more Government steps in, the worse things become. I frankly can’t imagine why Barney Frank isn’t under indictment for the Fannie Mae debacle, which effictively imploded the housing market, and started this mess. Another feather in the cap of Government regulation.
Then we have big Dick Murtha, playing fast and loose with taxpayer money, corrupt connections, and the Constitution.
I could go on and on. However I expect that, as the Washingtion insider that you are, this isn’t news.
Honestly, even though I’m looking for work, I don’t need any more government “help” or interference in my life with regard to healthcare or cap and trade.
Government can’t effectively manage Cash for Clunkers, Stimulus, Flu Shots, or anything else for that matter. The myth that we’ve “created or saved” jobs, when unemployment continues to rise, is a bald face lie. The only jobs created are government jobs, or short term construction and infrastructure projects.
The People no longer trust their government, for good reason.
During an 8% unemployment trend, we were told that, unless we immediately passed a Stimulus spending bill, we’ll see 10%. Guess what? Bill passes, we’re still screwed – it’s a 10!
If you actually want to do something good for the economy, and We The People, you’ll vote this healthcare bill, and cap and trade for that matter, to it’s death.
Start building your credibility by working on the issues that Americans actually care about: the economy, jobs, lower taxes, etc.
If you don’t, you obviously represent your own self interest, and not the will of the people who you represent.
There’s a reason that Congress has it’s lowest approval rating in over a decade. That alone should make you lay awake at night, like millions of Americans, who are worried about losing their jobs.
If you vote against the will of the people on this issue…
I’d recommend Valerian root and Melatonin to help you sleep at night, while you’re looking for other employment.
Best to you.
Maryland, which is probably not the easiest place to learn how to shoot. but thanks for the info. if she is serious, I am more than happy to support her in learning.
Chaps, I know exactly what you mean but I don’t think you comprehend what I’m talking about regarding the east Indian culture..
Does not have a fancy website????
For God’s sake! You are right to be reminded of your butcher back home!
I get it. but I don’t think that the techniques they used to make food palatable should prejudice the intrinsic tastiness of it. If, in the end, it won’t make you sick, and tastes good to boot, I really don’t care.
For God’s sake Chaps, would you give up your pretenses?
By “fancy” I mean “any.”
The butcher graduated with my mom and he makes the most amazing fake Croghan Baloney out of venison meat.
“Croghan Baloney” would not mean anything to anyone not living in the NY 23. But it is deeeelicious.
“an adorable kitty trying to lay on the keyboard”
Mine prefers to rub up against and soak up the heat from my monitor. Its quite annoying and is relentless.
There, are as one can imagine, several great Indian food places in Nairobi and Kampala. Always planned on stopping at them at the beginning of trips into Sudan and to celebrate on our way out. I especially love the bread they cook inside the round ovens.
I wanna go to NY23 and taste it.
I am still furious about the “K” thing.
You’re right I was just laughing too hard, I should have thought about the language, it looks like the hacker used every four letter vindictive they could think of. Hmmmm That might be an MSNBC employee after all? Anyone seen Dan Abrams lately?
Naan. And yes, it is delicious. I served some tonight. Store bought, but pretty good once crisped up a bit in the oven.
It is big slops.
WRONG! The naan is Pakistani.
the K thing? I was making a joke that my cat had KDD as in Kitty Deficit Disorder, as in a play on Attention Deficit Disorder.
yeeesh.
That’s true, Chapoutier, you may wind up having to go to another state. I’m sure if you ask anyone I linked to, though, they’ll do their best to help you find something-gun people love to get more people involved, and, in my experience, even more so if the new person is a woman.
One more link, especially if your wife might be more comfortable with a bit of left in the gun group:
http://www.pinkpistols.org/local/baltimore/index.html
And you’re very welcome, Chapoutier. Only wish I could be more help to a Maryland person.
Good idea. Find a local instructor, most ranges can provide a list of good ones, and sign her up. You might sign up at the same time. (Possible multiperson discount.) In what state do you reside?
ECS
You are too cute.
I will copy this to Kingfish later.
<blockquoteWRONG! The naan is Pakistani.
You might want to tell that to every Indian restaurant in the country that happens to serve it.
Seeing as how Pakistan was once part of India, and Naan is endemic to northern Indian cuisine, I don’t think t is an either/or sort of thing.Perhaps we can agree it is “south asian”?
Chaps,
this is a splat moment.
Oh. Maryland. Try here, or here for a start.
ECS
“wants to learn to shoot a handgun.”
One of the doctors I work with and I do lunch periodically. His wife is a registered dietitian, very nice, looks like she should be married to a doctor. Both great folks. But clearly upper middle class to lower upper class professional people.
Last week he asked me if I had any experience with buying, owning and learning to shoot handguns. Which I don’t other than they cost more than I can afford. I asked why. He said his wife wants to get a concealed weapons permit and start packing.
Not exactly the type of person you would expect to be carrying concealed heat.
I am…well… I am at least minimally competent with a hand gun. It has been a while though. I don’t think we are planning on buying one any time soon, but knowledge is never a bad thing.
Whatever they call it they throw it against the inside of those round stone ovens with the fire below and it is amazing stuff.
Actually after seeing a show on Sardinia I think I want to go there and eat my way around the island.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardinia
“minimally competent with a hand gun”
What does that look like? I know where I hold it, which end the bullet comes out, why I point it at what I want to shoot and how to make it go bang. I’ve never shot myself.
Does that qualify for “minimally competent”?
I’m guessing the folks that fall below the line of “minimally competent” weed themselves out of the gene pool?
Now I have been thinking…you know how they have those stickers for your car to indicate that it has an alarm system? Is there any equivalent for a house with a firearm? Like “WARNING: THE RESIDENTS OF THIS HOUSE PACK SERIOUS HEAT” I wonder if that alone would discourage robbers.
…and how many glasses of wine have you had tonight chap?
“you know how they have those stickers”
Doesn’t that kind of defeat the whole point?
Of course you could try filing a suit for a client who may get shot in some one’s home because despite the fact they had invaded someone’s home, the home owner did not put up one of those stickers. The home owner failed to inform potential invaders so the home owner is at fault and responsible for damages and medical cost.
I think I’d rather just not have stickers……..
“WARNING: THE RESIDENTS OF THIS HOUSE PACK SERIOUS HEAT”
So please I invite you into my house to steal my gun?
<blockquoteDoes that qualify for “minimally competent”?
No. I have shot several times. But it has been a while. A decade or so. but at least I know how to disengage a safety, and how to take a stance that would not make me look entirely foolish.
But no doubt I could benefit from some instruction as well.
I heard a rumor from “K” about Chaps getting a gun.
“Protected by Smith and Wesson.”
Also, there is the “Beware of Gun Owner” sign.
“stance that would not make me look entirely foolish.”
That’s where we differ. I prefer to have a stance that makes me look entirely foolish. It makes the look on a person’s face who I shoot that much more priceless.
Here ya go chap
<blockquoteDoesn’t that kind of defeat the whole point?
Well the point, at least with cars is that the potential criminal moves on to an easier target. Would you rather rob a house that you KNEW had an armed resident or one that may or may not?
I don’t know if it is actually effective but I don’t think it is an entirely stupid idea.
And robbing a house solely for a gun is dumb. Why would you risk that when you can buy one on the street easily and cheaply enough?
My favorite
http://www.stickergiant.com/guess-which-three_xrg33.html
Wow! I am NOT sure I would teach my wife to shoot if I were Chappy. With his penchant for annoying the heck out of people the last thing he needs is a heavily-armed women, trained in the use of firearms! Throw in a little PMS and Chappy won’t last 90 days after she gets a weapon.
And robbing a house solely for a gun is dumb.
Because its free?
I could find out the stats but around here breaking and entering and stealing guns is quite popular.
At least one of my friends put his guns in a full size safe because of it.
oh thats better NestingHawk
jsmiddleton: Stop or I’ll shoot! [pulls gun stands on one foot and hops]
jsmiddleton’s assailant: What the fu–BAM!!!!!
“NOT sure I would teach my wife to shoot if I were Chappy.”
I’m pretty sure she is more than enough without guns that having a gun doesn’t change the equation much.
What the fu–BAM!!!!!
You left out….
jsmiddleton: Laughs and laughs and laughs….
I’d have to submit my stance to Monty Python’s minister of silly walks though.
Because even criminals are not totally devoid of the concept of risk/reward.
I have no doubt that many handguns are stolen in the commission of burglaries. I would seriously be surprised if many burglaries were committed primarily or solely to steal a gun.
Total splat chap moment.
Kingfish is getting hard copy.
“if many burglaries were committed primarily or solely to steal a gun.”
I’m thinking that would change once folks started advertising they had them to steal however.
Like putting up a sign, “Doctor prescribed opiates inside.”
Except that a doctor potentially throwing a bunch of pills at you isn’t going to make you bleed profusely.
Bad idea.
1. If you ever have to use your firearm in self-defense, the prosecutor may use the signs to claim that you were wanting to shoot someone.
2. It will tell criminals that if they break into the house whilst you are gone or asleep that there is a good chance they will score some guns.
3. Best bet – get a good alarm system, a noisy (if not a gretbigo people-eatin’) dog, and, after firearms training, suitable firearms. Then, don’t tell casual acquaintances or friends who don’t like them about the guns.
ECS