The massacre at Fort Hood and Muslim soldiers with attitude
Scroll for updates…7:39am Eastern press conference…Ft. Hood officials disclose that the murder victims included 12 soldiers and 1 civilian…first responder heroine who shot Hasan is in stable condition…witnesses still being interviewed “all through the night”…they confirm that Hasan was wearing his uniform…
I was traveling to Wichita for a speaking event/fundraiser (which I’ll tell you more about later) when news of the Fort Hood massacre broke. Please continue to pray for the 12 murder victims [update 11/6: now 13 dead] and their families, and the 30 wounded and their families.
Allahpundit at Hot Air has a massive, blow-by-blow post on all the latest developments. The Christian Science Monitor profiles Nidal Malik Hasan, the Muslim soldier identified by the military as the shooter:
Terry Lee, a retired Army colonel who knew Hasan, told Fox News about a story he heard secondhand. He said a fellow colleague had told him that Hasan had made “outlandish comments” about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and US involvement in them and that “Muslims had a right to rise up and attack Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
“[He] made comments about how we shouldn’t be over there – you need to lock it up, Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor,” Lee added.
But the suspect’s cousin, Nader Hasan, gave Fox News a different picture. He said his cousin had never deployed but was affected by the war and had been concerned about his impending deployment.
“He would tell us how he would hear things, horrific things, things from war probably affecting him psychologically,” Nader Hasan said.
From AP:
His name appears on radical Internet postings. A fellow officer says he fought his deployment to Iraq and argued with soldiers who supported U.S. wars. He required counseling as a medical student because of problems with patients.
There are many unknowns about Nidal Malik Hasan, the man authorities say is responsible for the worst mass killing on a U.S. military base. Most of all, his motive. But details of his life and mindset, emerging from official sources and personal acquaintances, are troubling.
“Troubling.” And familiar.
At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.
Here’s the Scribd comment of Nidal Hasan:
There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.
Those of you with long memories will remember all those who came before Hasan. Here is my column from March 2003 on Muslim soldiers with attitude:
Sgt. Asan Akbar, a Muslim American soldier with the 326th Engineer Battalion, had an “attitude problem.”
According to his superiors and acquaintances, Akbar’s attitude was bitterly anti-American and staunchly pro-Muslim. So how did this devout follower of the so-called Religion of Peace work out his attitudinal problems last weekend?
By lobbing hand grenades and aiming his M-4 automatic rifle into three tents filled with sleeping commanding officers at the 101st Airborne Division’s 1st Brigade operations center in Kuwait.
Akbar is the lone suspect being detained in the despicable attack, which left more than a dozen wounded and one dead. Surviving soldiers say Akbar, found cowering in a bunker with shrapnel injuries, was overheard ranting after the assault: “You guys are coming into our countries, and you’re going to rape our women and kill our children.”
“Our”? At least there’s no doubt about where this Religion of Peace practitioner’s true loyalties lie.
Naturally, apologists for Islam-gone-awry are hard at work dismissing this traitorous act of murder as an “isolated, individual act and not an expression of faith.” But such sentiments are willfully blind and recklessly p.c.
Sgt. Akbar is not the only MSWA — Muslim soldier with attitude — suspected of infiltrating our military, endangering our troops and undermining national security:
– Ali A. Mohamed. Mohamed, a major in the Egyptian army, immigrated to the U.S. in 1986 and joined the U.S. Army while a resident alien. This despite being on a State Department terrorist watch list before securing his visa. An avowed Islamist, he taught classes on Muslim culture to U.S. Special Forces at Fort Bragg, N.C., and obtained classified military documents. He was granted U.S. citizenship over the objections of the CIA.
A former classmate, Jason T. Fogg, recalled that Mohamed was openly critical of the American military. “To be in the U.S. military and have so much hate toward the U.S. was odd. He never referred to America as his country.”
Soon after he was honorably discharged from the Army in 1989, Mohamed hooked up with Osama bin Laden as an escort, trainer, bagman and messenger. Mohamed used his U.S. passport to conduct surveillance at the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi; he later pled guilty to conspiring with bin Laden to “attack any Western target in the Middle East” and admitted his role in the 1998 African embassy bombings that killed more than 200 people, including a dozen Americans.
Ain’t multiculturalism grand?
– Semi Osman. An ethnic Lebanese born in Sierra Leone and a Seattle-based Muslim cleric, Osman served in a naval reserve fueling unit based in Tacoma, Wash. He had access to fuel trucks similar to the type used by al Qaeda in the 1996 bombing of the Khobar Towers, which killed 19 U.S. airmen and wounded nearly 400 other Americans.
Osman was arrested last May as part of a federal investigation into the establishment of a terrorist training camp in Bly, Oregon. Osman recently pleaded guilty to a weapons violation, and the feds dropped immigration charges against him in exchange for his testimony.
Ain’t open borders grand?
– John Muhammad. The accused Beltway sniper and Muslim convert was a member of the Army’s 84th Engineering Company. In an eerie parallel to the Akbar case, Muhammad is suspected of throwing a thermite grenade into a tent housing 16 of his fellow soldiers as they slept before the ground-attack phase of Gulf War I in 1991. Muhammad’s superior, Sgt. Kip Berentson, told both Newsweek and The Seattle Times that he immediately suspected Muhammad, who was “trouble from day one.”
Curiously, Muhammad was admitted to the Army despite being earlier court-martialed for willfully disobeying orders, striking another noncommissioned officer, wrongfully taking property, and being absent without leave while serving in the Louisiana National Guard.
Although Muhammad was led away in handcuffs and transferred to another company pending charges for the grenade attack, an indictment never materialized. Muhammad was honorably discharged from the Army in 1994. Eight years later, he was arrested in the 21-day Beltway shooting spree that left 10 dead and three wounded.
Ain’t tolerance grand?
– Jeffrey Leon Battle. A former Army reservist, Battle was indicted in October 2002 for conspiring to levy war against the United States and “enlisting in the Reserves to receive military training to use against America.” According to the Justice Department, he planned to wage war against American soldiers in Afghanistan.
Ain’t diversity grand?
“It’s bad enough we have to worry about enemy forces, but now we have to worry about our own guys,” Spc. Autumn Simmer told the Los Angeles Times this week after the assault on the 101st Airborne. The Islamist infiltration of our troops is scandalous. Not one more American, soldier or civilian, must be sacrificed at the altar of multiculturalism, diversity, open borders, and tolerance of the murderous “attitude” of Jihad.
FYI: Convicted Beltway sniper John Muhammad is scheduled to be executed next week. No doubt the families of the Muslim sniper victims are re-living the horror tonight.
FYI: Muslim US soldier Hasan Abujihaad was convicted last year on espionage and material terrorism support charges
after serving aboard the USS Benfold and sharing classified info with al Qaeda financiers, including movements of US ships just six months after al Qaeda operatives had killed 17 Americans aboard the USS Cole in the port of Yemen.
On Twitter, follow #fthood for news updates.
More Twitter-related news here.
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Clarice Feldman notes President Obama’s “odd” — to say the least — reaction to the attack on Fort Hood soldiers:
On Thursday, 11 soldiers and civilian police at Fort Hood were slaughtered execution-style at close range and over 30 others wounded, allegedly by a U.S. Army Major Malik Nadal Hasan. The President immediately addressed the nation concerning this horrific event.
However, his expression of grief was very odd. He spent the first two minutes of the four-and-a-half minute address in a light-hearted discussion of his earlier “Tribal Nations Conference” on Native American rights, including a “shout out” recognition of a conference attendee.
When he finally got around to the purpose for his public appearance, he gave an uninspired and rambling dissertation on the tragedy. Even then, he could not keep the topic focused on sympathy for the pain of others:
I want all of you to know that as Commander in Chief, that there’s no greater honor, but no greater responsibility for me (emphasis his) than to make sure that the extraordinary men and women in uniform are properly cared for…Poor soul, it’s so saddening to know how this tragedy affects him. Listening to this address provides some insight into Obama’s character and how he ranks his priorities.
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Business as usual: The whitewashing of jihad by the MSM. See here and here.
I’ve said it many times over the years and it bears repeating again as cable TV talking heads ask in bewilderment how all the red flags Hasan raised could have been ignored: Political correctness is the handmaiden of terror.
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U.S. Rep. Michael McCaul, a Republican from Austin, was briefed by military officials and said Hasan had taken some unusual classes for someone studying about mental health.
“He took a lot of extra classes in weapons training, which seems a little odd for a psychiatrist,” McCaul said.
McCaul said Hasan had received poor grades for his work at Walter Reed and was not happy about his situation in Fort Hood, where Hasan apparently felt like “he didn’t fit in.”
“He’s disgruntled because he had a poor performance evaluation, he doesn’t believe in the mission, he’s looking at getting transferred to Afghanistan or Iraq,” McCaul said. “He’s not happy about all that.”
McCaul added that officials planned to interview Hasan to try to determine for sure that he was not working with foreign agents.
“From an intelligence standpoint, that’s key, finding out if he talked to anyone overseas,” McCaul said.
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Bruce Bawer has a brilliant essay on the MSM whitewashing of jihad:
CNN (ditto the New York Times website) was considerably less useful than the tidbits I picked up online by following links on various blogs and in Facebook postings. They led me to (among other things) an AP story, a Daily Mail article, and a Fox News interview that provided telling details: Hasan had apparently been a devout Muslim; Arabic words, reportedly a Muslim prayer, had been posted on his apartment door in Maryland; in conversations with colleagues he had repeatedly expressed sympathy for suicide bombers; on Thursday morning, hours before the massacre, he had supposedly handed out copies of the Koran to neighbors. A couple of these facts eventually surfaced on CNN, but only briefly; they were rushed past, left untouched, unexamined; the network seemed to be making a masterly effort to avoid giving this data a cold, hard look. Meanwhile it spent time doing heavy-handed spin — devoting several minutes, for example, to an inane interview with a forensic psychiatrist who talked about the stress of treating soldiers bearing the emotional scars of war. The obvious purpose was to turn our eyes away from Islamism and toward psychiatric instability as a motive.
…after [the Anderson Cooper show] was over, we got a “special edition” of Larry King Live hosted by Wolf Blitzer. This one really took the cake. By way of “illuminating” Hasan’s actions, Blitzer interviewed a panel of — no, not experts on Islamic jihad, but psychiatrists. Blitzer endlessly repeated the mantra that Hasan had been “taunted” for being Muslim, had feared going to a war zone, and had ultimately gone “berserk,” and the docs echoed this line. “He did not reach for help when he should have,” lamented one panelist. Another opined: “It sounded like it got to be too much for him.” Yet another told us: “All kind of people need help who aren’t getting help. … He was feeling picked on by his colleagues. … He was strained. He was scared.”
Could there be a more bitter contrast? At Fort Hood, so many courageous GIs, all of them prepared to risk their lives fighting the Islamic jihadist enemy in defense of our freedom, several of them now dead. And, on our TV screens, so many apparently craven journalists, public officials, psychiatrists, and (alas) even military brass — all but a few of whom seemed unwilling to do anything more than hint obliquely at the truth that obviously lies at the root of this monstrous act.
And now: Reports that Hasan shouted “Allahu Akbar!” during the attack.
Nothing to see here. Move along…
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the unit that took the brunt of the attack today was the 20th Engineers…
to absent comrades.
I will pray for each of the soldiers and their family and friends. May God bless them.
If ever a case for internment as in WWII. Don’t know of anything during that time like this for that very reason.
Profiling? Damn right, no other way to do it!! We’re talking about national security.
The murdered was a Muslim? I am shocked, *shocked* I tell you.
“Murderer” I meant – can’t type at 6AM (in Italy).
This will come off as racist, and I simply don’t care: We should not allow Muslims in our military. For the sake of common sense and safety of our military and country. Why are they allowed to enlist? Especially if they are practicing Islam, which vows to destroy all we stand for?
Just got home and checked in to see Olbermann’s take on the Ft. Hood Massacre today. So far, I’ve had to wait 15 minutes through Olbermann and Clarence Page deducing that Republicans are diabolical because someone held up a sign at today’s protest rally in an attempt to equate “socialized health care with the Holocaust.”
What are the odds of Olbermann wrapping up his broadcast by designating Nidal Malik Hasan as today’s “Worst Person in the World?”
dude, why?
I guess now that Hasan is still alive, we should be able to hear his “reasoning” in shooting those people. One thing is for sure, he is a Muslim and had accomplices, so this is a terrorist attack against a U.S. Army base, and is absolute proof that President Obama has NOT kept America safe from terrorist attacks.
Michelle, thank you for summarizing the incidents right here. Put together, no one can dispute there is a problem, but our PC society is not prepared to address it.
Is there a Hippocratic oath for Muslim doctors? “Do no harm”…unless it’s for Jihad?
This sickens me.
What is it with this religion and it’s reliance on cowardly acts to fulfill it’s idea of manhood? IED’s, RPG’s, shooting unarmed victims…it’s madness.
My prayers are with the fallen, their comrades in arms, and their families. What a waste of treasure…
This is just sickening, and all day I’ve barely known how to react. But not one person in the media will call this what it is…a terrorist attack on Texas (Yes, MSM people, Texas does still exist), and a real case of domestic terrorism.
Shep Smith wants to imply that he might have been provoked by people using pejorative terms for his religion/race to him.
And WaPo paints a picture of mass suicide at Ft. Hood, highest numbers of suicide (forgetting that it’s the largest base in the U.S. so sheer numbers might lead to that conclusion), and claiming that those treating patients with PTSD develop symptoms, with the headline “Fort Hood has felt the strain of repeated deployment,” as if multiple deployments, and PTSD of soldiers, led to a P.O.S, who’s never been deployed, and who had-coincidentally of course- expressed anti-American sentiment and a desire that his Muslim brothers would rise up against the oppressors in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I’m sickened by this attack and appalled by the MSM response. Might have brought the message especially close to home for me being in Texas.
But…damn…that’s all I can say. My thoughts and prayers are with the fallen and wounded and their families (excluding the P.O.S. shooter…he has nothing but my utter rage and contempt).
Fixed it.
aggiebc, I had to avoid the story all day, it would have depressed me so much because the press, even at fox, were doing the tap dance around the issue that Michelle has so clearly summarized here for all to see.
I lived in Austin when the Iraq war started. I stayed up all night in total fear for our soldiers when they crossed the border. I expected a fierce resistance, not knowing that Sadam Hussein had a paper tiger of a fighting force that really had no loyalty to him, so they melted away as our troops advanced. I was so relieved that it wasn’t the fierce blood bath the press was making it out that it was going to be.
I was wishing at the time that Austin was a tad closer to Keileen (sp?) because I would have tried to volunteer to help the families left behind (tutor their kids, babysit, bring them groceries if they had $$ problems), but it was really too far away to effectively do that. I had to settle for sending air conditioners over there for the troops when that one soldier’s mom started that program in the summer.
Many of us Americans try to do the best we can to support the troops. We donate to the paralyzed verterans funds, the funds that collect money to send over comfort packs, etc. We really try.
Events like today, at least for me, hit me to my very core and I feel so helpless. Does this make sense?
But the suspect’s cousin, Nader Hasan, gave Fox News a different picture. He
Please shut up, Muslim Nader Hasan. You expect us to believe that your cousin did this because he was suffering from some PRE-traumatic syndrome? AND he was psychologist?
These Muslims have no shame. We all know why he shot up American soldiers: Because he was a Muslim who joined to infiltrate our military and to kill American soldiers. Even though he was born here, he was a typical Muslim: not at all American and who sympathized only with his barbarian fellow Muslims abroad.
Wow… more reasons to search little old gray-haired ladies and take away their nail clippers on airline flights. After all, it could just as easily have been a little old lady that did this, right?
Guys named Hasan or Muhammed… I mean really, what are/were the chances?
This PC insanity has got to stop…..
Some people say that we need Arabic & Farsi translators in the military. I don’t understand why. We can’t hear them anyway with all of our guns, bombs, and artillery mowing them down.
BTW – Even on a day like today, Olbermann’s “Worst Person in the World” ended up being Rupert Murdoch.
Nice to see that some Liberals still have their priorities in order.
Just what do Islamo-fascists have to do to piss off the powers that be at MSNBC?
Many Muslims serve honorably in our armed forces and a strong argument can be made that we need the help of people who can speak the language, understand the culture, and are willing to defend America.
How about we don’t let insane radical lunatics in the Army?
I would argue that this guy demonstrated unacceptable behavior and should have been identified prior to this event, not that all Muslims should be exlcuded from service in the US Armed Forces.
It’s a tragedy. This is certainly true. But there are despite the emotionalism, those who practice Islam who also are just as fiercely American and love this country as much as anyone else. I’ve been privileged to know a few. Yes, there are ‘bad eggs’ this fellow may have been one of them. But, that’s for an Article 32 hearing to determine. Not now in the heat and confusion of an horrific event.
Instead, our concerns and our hearts should be with the families of those who lost their lives or are wounded and to the many witnesses to what happened at Ft. Hood who will have lost a certain quality of innocence.
Rage and fury are the emotions of such an event, but should never color our decision making.
My heart is heavy and I remember the day I lost my innocence, an innocence that other Americans take for granted.
My concern and prayers are for the dead, the wounded and the entire Army family. Tonight I fear for my son in training with that Army and my comrades throughout it.
(raises water glass)To Absent Comrades!
That’s a nice politically correct sentiment, but put yourself in a GI’s boots: If a Muslim fellow-soldier was in your foxhole, what would you be wondering when it came time to sleep?
I am stunned. This is something that I cannot comprehend. The trust that bonds military officers and enlisted men together is paramount. It is something that is taken for granted, a universal rule that cannot be broken, a bond that cannot be denied. Although military men and women, officers and enlisted, make fun of each other, the fun ends when we are called to duty. At that time, everyone comes together and there is a devotion to duty that defies explanation. I have had the priviledge to experience it, and it is glorious. I salute those who have fallen in this cowardly aggression. May we rise up ever stronger.
If so called “moderate” and peace loving Muslims in America are shocked by this event, where is their collective outrage? Where are the mass demonstrations against the extremist hijackers of their faith? Where is their very public and demonstrable repudiation of Islam’s acceptance of these violent barbaric acts? One more time, a few sound bites are released with the standard lip-service mush against what this guy did. Meanwhile, they continue to use our own legal system against us. They laugh at our naivete and our strident fear of being labeled an ignorant xenophobic racist. Theirs is a feral culture that values ruthless power and strength. Our sensitivity, compassion, and kindness are seen by them as weakness, and it invites them to attack. In their culture, it is perfectly acceptable to lie to the “infidel”. We are dogs to them. Wake up before it’s too late!
On the 6:30pm CBS evening news, neither Katie Couric or any correspondents would say that the killer is Muslim. Instead, the whole CBS news team blamed the whole thing on the claim that under George W. Bush, the US military did not properly treat people for post traumatic stress disorder. It was irrelevant to CBS News that this killer has not spent even one day overseas or in combat. The most stressful thing that happened to him was an easel fell on his head during a lecture. It won’t be long before Mo Dowd at the NY Times blames Dick Cheney and Haliburton for what happened.
Is this another example of the “religion of peace”? I must admit that these folks have a lot of proving to do before they convince me that they have anything even close to my American values. America is for Americans and if you do not wish to conform to the AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE then maybe you should shuffle on down the road and return to whatever place you came from. And, the sooner the better.
Marc,
Yes. Is there any doubt that …had the shooter been white and had links to a white-supremacist group or had published “right-wing” rants …that the Katie Courics would have reported that in the first sentence of coverage? Those ignorant America hating bastards bent over backwards twice to avoid mentioning the obvious: that this guy’s name, alone, strongly suggested the possibility of a terrorist act.
G-d speed to our toops who can not carry on base while PC brass continue to allow the enemy within.
It appears the Major follows the Koran/Mohammed, not the United States Officers oath.
Another example of a battle in a war with those who worship allah.
I want to know why this a**hole wasn’t IN JAIL already!?!?!?!
Islam is not a race.
Talk tonight is that a civilan police officer took him down and was wounded in the exchange. She is in stable condition. I love strong women.
PC/Gun free zones get people killed.. How much of this crap are we supposed to take? Enough is enough!
When I first heard about the shootings, no one knew who the shooter was; yet, they were already stating that terrorism was not involved. That raised a flag because why would they say that before any investigation had even begun. I immediately deduced that the shooter was muslim. What else would prompt them to make such statements.
If the shooter was a Christian or a veteran, they certainly would not have immediately ruled out the possibility of domestic terrorism committed by a right-wing extremist. But somehow, when a Muslim commits an act of terror, the government bends over backwards to excuse the act as something other than terrorism. It’s still an act of terrorism whether a would-be jihadist acts on his own initiative or on the direct orders of Osama Bin Laden.
After looking at a definition of terrorism, such as the one below, how could any sane person believe the shooting at Fort Hood was anything but terrorism?
Calculated? Check.
(The time, place, and means were definitely planned.)
Use of unlawful violence? Check.
Intended to inculcate fear? Check.
Intended to intimidate the US government or society in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological? Check.
(He wanted Obama to end the war, didn’t want to be deployed, and deliberately targeted the Soldier Readiness Center at Fort Hood.)
I’m shocked, shocked that a Muslim would engage in mass murder!
We can thank the liberal pc elitists for a society that avoids the truth. His superiors would have addressed this malfunction earlier but, were afraid of the PC police.
I used to try to be respectful of these people before 9/11..
But after the last ten years or so, I definitely now see a mosque as nothing but an over-sized porta-potty for the soul..
He was, reported elsewhere, consulting with an attorney trying to get a discharge from service.
I suspect he might get his wish, now. I’m not certain that the discharge from the Army will be quite the type he expected.
May G_d hold close those whom this Major malfunction murdered, heal those he wounded as they recover and comfort their families.
I must admit, as a special forces wife, I had one small moment of thinking “oh no, now the MSM will be comparing this to the killings at Ft. Bragg…oh the army makes such deranged killers of us..blah blah blah”
I should have known better.
I was just watching ABC’s Nightline and I am incensed by their reporting that the killer was persecuted and harassed by American soldiers because he was of Middle Eastern descent and a devout Muslim, and the issue became has the US Army done enough to protect Muslims serving in the US Military, implying that it is understandable that he was driven to do what he did by Americans. Outrages! The Mass Media news are leftist idiots!
I don’t think this guy is a terrorist. His goal wasn’t to influence or force anyone. He’s Just a murderer, and a cowardly one at that. What a terrible waste of life. It’s also a shame any good muslims in the military are going to have a harder time being trusted. The Muslims I’ve known in the military have all been patriotic and hard workers. God bless those killed.
I have friends and family at Ft. Hood. One of my 1st thoughts, upon finding out they were safe, was “this bastard has been counseling returning soldiers.” No freaking WONDER there is a high level of psych issues, he was probably subtly telling these guys they were eveil baby killers. I hope the bastard dies. and I hope every Muslim in the Us Army is fired today, PC be damned. But that will never happen.
You got that right, pardner. You might even say he’s a wierdo.
Obama seemed far more viscerally upset about the Tiller gundown than this one, with its multiple victims.
Looks like DHS needs to do another study. They did one identifying a potential conservative threat characterized by anybody who opposes Democrat policies.
I’d say a DHS study is in order about the liberal threat — characterized by people who oppose “Bushe’s War”? Anybody who opposes the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Since Obama claims he opposed the war, let’s hope he doesn’t snap. We need that DHS study and pronto!
Look at CAIR’s posting:
“U.S. Muslims Condemn Attack at Fort Hood”: http://www.cair.com/ArticleDetails.aspx?ArticleID=26126&&name=n&&currPage=1
You see, CAIR is ‘advertizing’ the codemnation, rather than actually ‘condemning’ the attack, if one can see the difference….
California Red was more than correct in his statement and I wish more cooler heads and reason would prevail here. Don’t label all adherents of a religion based on MidEast tensions or homicidal fanatics. There are enough non-Christians around who think most Christians are half-way latent Tim McVeys, so let’s not get into the bigotry smearing game. I met Jews in the Army who more than trust being in a tight spot with an Muslim comrade. Wish more were featured to help dispel these all Muslims are terrorists-in-the-bush sentiments.
James Greenidge
Queens, NY
So this was caused by his mental anguish at deploying…. I wonder the motives of the OTHER TWO SHOOTERS????
It looks to me like the Army bears some responsibility in not acting against this murderer while he was still just obnoxious and not yet a cold-blooded killer. If I hear a Muslim Army officer justify suicide bombings, applaud the murder of Army recruits (Little Rock), and urge Muslims to rise up against aggressors (us), that’s more than enough reason to court martial him and get him the heck out of the service. It’s also grounds for contacting Homeland Security and the FBI. But instead, it looks like they decided to pass him along from Walter Reed Hospital to Fort Hood and on to either Afghanistan or Iraq so he’d be somebody else’s problem. What was the Army thinking? Keep him in until they get the last dollar of his medical education repaid? But as to profiling, I’d say any Muslim in a position to impact national security should expect to be watched very, very carefully. In our day, adherence to Islam is virtually a declaration of war against America, like it or not. I’m sorry for the peaceful Americans who don’t feel compelled to “rise up” against the “aggressors”, but how are we supposed to know who’s capable of mass murder and who’s just a blowhard?
One of the insane things here is that military bases are no-gun zones. Military personnel on base are just as defenseless as civilians in towns where guns are banned. These mass shootings almost always happen in areas where people are denied their human right of self-defense.
This proves something I have contended for years. We are at war with an enemy who could be anywhere among us. If a U.S. Army officer can turn killer, who can we trust? We cannot have a reasonable expectation of safety ANYWHERE. That’s why I go around armed.
Let me try to explain a couple of things here and now. I have a friend we’ll call “Amir” for reasons that will become obvious later. Amir is a refugee who came to America for asylum. He speaks Farsi, Arabic and a couple of tribal languages used in the mountains of Iran. In 1998 he proclaimed the “Proudest day of my life, prouder than the birth of my son.” to all of his friends. That day was the day he became a US citizen. He used to tell anyone he met how proud and what a good thing it was to be an American. Amir is a devout Shia Muslim. On 12 September 2001 he called me and asked if I could help him. He’d gone down the day before and been turned down by every recruiter in town because of his age. He found a place to serve with the NSA as a translator. But wishes still he could be on the front lines with the troops because of what ‘those people did to my country’. He is one of dozens of such people I know. Some are overseas with the CIA. Some are translators attached to US units.
We don’t call them foxholes Mr. Jaguar. We call them two man fighting positions and up until my recent retirement, I shared mine an NCO or two who were Muslim. They were also first, fine upstanding Americans and loved our country as much or more than most. Many had stories of great risk and peril regarding how they got here. Some were trained in the US for their native country originally and now serve in our armed forces. How do I feel about them? They had my back. I had theirs.
Look people, there are bad people in any group. I don’t know if this MAJ Hasan was one of them. I’m willing to let an Art. 32 hearing determine that. Until then, your carping and decrying a whole group of people for the actions of a few sound very much like my childhood neighbors who fought as members of the 442nd RCT in WWII said that people talked and treated them for being Japanese. It was wrong then,and wrong now. There are people in harm’s way, some of them Muslims who place themselves there to protect the land and the ideals they love. That land is the United States of America. A place where a man is presumed innocent until proven guilty, a land where freedom of religious belief, of speech and liberty are prized rights. Those who speak against those self same rights are as much my enemy as any Jihadi of whatever origin.
Ok, this is sickening. The NY Times:
They just can’t bring themselves to admit he was a Muslim.
It’s bad enough that SOLDIERS ARE DEAD and he’s making an entrance like Arsenio Hall with all the whooping, clapping and whatnot, then proceded to give a “shout out” to someone and can’t even freakin get the award right.
Dr. Joe Medicine Crow is NOT a recipient (or in lackwit-in-chief’s words.. a “winner” ) of the Congressional Medal of Honor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Medicine_Crow
There goes the old idiom again, no point being a useless tool unless you can prove it every day and fail to get the name of the award you yourself pinned on someone..
As MM calls it, the “religion of perpetual outrage”, strikes again!
Please tell me there aren’t millions of them right here on our soil that want to do the same thing to civilians?
I am NOT sorry when I say I do not trust any Muslim. Islam is a sick cult. Its followers cannot be trusted…….PERIOD!!
Yes, and now we have 13 loyal soldiers to lay to rest and dozens of wounded to heal and families to comfort.
Eternal rest grant unto them O Lord,
And let perpetual Light shine upon them.
May their souls
And the souls of all the faithful departed
Through the Mercy of God
Rest in peace.
Amen.
I agree. There are many loyal muslims in our armed forces.
If ALL DHS did was study I would feel safer-protecting us from our own veterans flying flags does not warm the heart. But we are safe from that grandmother with the nail clippers and young mother with the baby formula.
Perhaps we should not label all muslims such and such–but it was not Methodists who flew the planes into the Twin Towers, it was neither Mason nor Knights of Columbus who killed the 101st Airborne officers. I dare say that if Major Nidal Malik Hasan were a Baptist displaying such signs he would have been flagged and watched.
Allowing our people to be murdered in the name of diversity, tolerance and political correctness is foolish in the extreme. President Obama’s lack of empathy says all I need to hear.
True, ssnark. I have 2 long-time friends that are Moslem. One is an ER doctor. Believe me, if I was wheeled into the ER and he was on duty, I’d rest a lot easier. Both immigrated here and both are enthusiastic Americans. I can’t condemn them for the actions of a few.
God give peace to the family and friends of those who died yesterday.
This is a tragedy that never should’ve happened.
The actions of one person on one day should never be used to judge a religion. HOWEVER, the actions of hundreds of thousands, or millions, over centuries is a pretty good indication of the true picture of a religion. Islam and muslims have failed the test, repeatedly.
Some of you have muslim friends who claim love America. Great for them. But given my observations over the last few decades I have to say I will never trust a muslim. After yesterday I will now never knowingly befriend or do business with a muslim. I will practice the Amish custom of “shunning”.
I have simply reached my limit of tolerance for muslims.
All the talking heads around tiptoeing around the common denmonator here:
ISLAM.
For some reason, Akbar is still alive. His timely execution may have done something to deter these Muslim fraggings. More to come…
I love this:
A muslim commits an act of terror on Americans and CAIR screams that muslims need to watch out for angry Americans.
And WHAT past experience?!?! After 9/11 there were one or two isolated incidents of misdirected hate. That was it. Everyone bent over backwards to avaoid offending the “religion of peace”.
Nice work, CAIR. Turn the victim into the perpetrator.
I hate how everybody is tiptoeing around this subject. This WAS a terrorist attack, this WAS Jihad, this WAS the religion of peace at work:
http://thelcabroadside.wordpress.com/
OK! My rant against religion today will be against one we all dislike:
F*CKING Muslims and their disgusting, backward, archaic desert religion.
Can it be more painfully obvious that Islam is at the root of this? This is what happens when you let myth, superstition and irrational nonsense fill your head.
What a POS. I’m glad he is alive, (he is right?) now he can stand trial and hopefully have plenty of time to realize what a mess he is before they execute him.
Now that Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan is alive do you think Obama will invite him to the White House for a beer with his victims?
The majority of Germans remained silent, turned their heads, and ignored Hitler.
Silent majorities and diplomacy don’t work with terrorists, radical Islam, nor fascist regimes.
Thank you, Michelle, for not being silent on this subject, or white-washing it (is that racist?) as the MSM does. Political correctness will mean nothing when our democracy is gone.
“Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.”
“Peace-loving Germans, Japanese,Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghanis, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.”
The president is a cold, cold
SOBmanchildperson without passion for our country. Every generation, beginning with my father in WWI, brothers in WWII, husband in Korea, grandson in Iraq, have served this country with honor – wounds and death. I am heartsick. God bless the military and heaven help us all.A hate crime? Not for muslims.
They are *mind bombs*
A beer? Heavens no, he is a good mohammedan-a ham sandwich and hand grenade perhaps?
I think we might be missing a more obvious point here.
This man broke not one, but two oaths he took before God.
He was a soldier, but did not want to go to war for his country.
He fired his weapons on unarmed citizens, including women and children.
He is a spineless, gutless coward…no more, no less.
It came as no surprise to me that the shooter was another islamic nut. The BHO news conference was shocking. He looked almost disgusted that his wonderful day of smoozing with native Americans was disturbed by a shooting of soldiers. I don’t know who hates this country more – the shooter or BHO.
Put a muslim in office and wonder why our country is being destroyed. Put a muslim in the military and we are shocked when he goes on a murderous rampage?
I denounce polictal correctness. I refuse to be handcuffed by fear of what someone may accuse me of and I will not be silent while a bunch of radical butchers go around killing people in the name of their false prophet and god.
Because I do not recognize PC I can honestly say the muslim people, who are anti-American and determined to destroy our country, should not be permitted to stay in this country. There is no good in them and they are a threat to every man, woman and child in this country.
If people don’t start waking up to this fact they or their family could be the next vicitims of radical jihad loving butchers.
This struck me as ridiculously inappropriate. This action only shows how it’s only about him to him. He is no leader.
On another note, it is rumored that Nancy Pelosi is going to propose a bill banning all firearms from the military to avoid this ever happening again.
Nidal Hassan was educated by the military at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda Maryland. It was a free education, costing the US taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars. He graduated from Medical School there in 2001 and got a Masters at the same school last year….all at the military’s expense. I believe the ‘deal’ is you are obligated to spend so many years in the military for the privilege of a free education. His cousin suggested he was traumatized, i.e. PTSS. Maybe he just wanted out of the army, didn’t want to live up to his commitment and was running from his military obligation.
There are some pretty radical anti-western Muslim schools in Northern Virginia; it would be useful to know if he went to one of them.
I will watch with interest to see how the Obama administration controls the information that comes out on the massacre of our own. His half-a—d response yesterday was no doubt an indication of things to come.
I hope someone is going back through the patients this psychiatrist “treated”. Those folks need at least an assessment. Gotta wonder how therapeutic a psychiatrist who could mow down people could have been.
How do you kill and injure so many people? One guy, hand guns, etc. Just doesn’t add up in my mind.
The rank of major for a medical professional in our military is not far less impressive than for someone who is not a doctor. Essentially every doctor who has finished medical school and attends residency at a military facility is an officer. Most of them are captains, while in residency. Once they graduate, they are promoted to major. This is a perk that the army tries to use to retain people as the earning potential within the military is low, when compared to the outside world. I want to ask what details people know about his poor performance record. I read that he was disciplined for trying to convert his patients to Islam. If this is true, just think about this: he was trying to convert psychiatric patients into Islam. That is predatory behavior. He should have gotten more than a poor evaluation. He should have lost his license and kicked out.
Big tent in military.
Don’t know about other folks but when a gunmen shouts God is Great in Arabic and starts shooting innocent people, I call that terrorism.
For the amount of talking that he did online, talking to a convenience stoor owner, complaining on the base,….I find it incredulous that his feelings and thoughts were unknown to his family. My guess is that they were shared by his family members. That brings up a very disconcerting thought about this event: he is one of many terrorists within our country. The rest are waiting for their chance to prove themselves to alah.
The fact that DOD no longer investigates such people and has focused their attention on CIA operatives, conservative activists, and concerned parents has contributed greatly to what happened at Fort Hood. Will anyone in the MSM even discuss this issue? Doubt it….it wouldn’t even surprise me if at the end of the day, they blame Bush.
middleton, didn’t you listen to pelosi? the only terrorists are those protesters standing in the way of her healthcare utopia.
A lot of people who go into psychiatry are ones who have issues themselves or come from families with issues.
Plus he probably had midlife crisis failure issues.
Plus he’s a Muslim with political issues with USA.
Plus political correctness not allowing the military to crack down on his internet rantings.
I have been in the Marine Corps 23 years. Why is it if anyone overhears you making a sexist or racist remark you will be sure to be standing in front of the CO and/or Sergeant Major but if you make remarks supporting jihad no one cares? At the very least, anyone in the military with Muslim sympathies toward jihad should be identified and investigated. How many more should die first?
No argument from me. If they believe in the Koran how can they be trusted? In the military not only can things like this tragedy happen, but there can be access by the jihadist to weapons of mass destruction.
Being a soldier is hard enough, but trying to get a few minutes sleep in a tent while someone named, for example, “Hussine” is on guard is punishment they should not have to deal with for political correctness.
All you have to see is the Lame stream media and Shep blame it on other military personnel who may not of liked this murderers rants about what they were fighting for. Unfortunately, Bush began the religion of peace BS and Political Correctness and fear of being labeled anti-muslim is what killed these soldiers.
when a soldier,especially an officer, begins to act this way—it needs to be dealt with no matter what race, religion–period. That didn’t happen.
Mu condolences to the families who lost loved one. Well you think this is a wake up call. I bet the Pentagon is revising their stance on PC today !
The same ideology exist in Iraq and Afghanistan. Those people have no clue what freedom and democracy are? They didn’t have a struggle wo win freedom. We gave it to them. They don’t even have nationalism, but they have religion. They are muslim first before they are Iraqis ! Why do we keep fooling ourselves?
Our “President” needs to be sacked. He is a shame and a disgrace. He should not be allowed within 100 miles of Arlington or any other place of honor dedicated to the military.
Little Man deserves a slap in the face from all military families.
Note to my evil little mind: STOP THAT.
But Miss Botox does terrify children and small dogs even from a distance.
Note to my evil little mind: STOP THAT.
A huge trajedy indeed. So sad. First time I’ve had a chance to comment on yesterday’s events, but listened to radio all afternoon and into the night. Observations:
FBI was quick to state that this was NOT a terror attack.
CAIR denounced the attack.
Obama inserted himself in the discussion about the attack.
Geraldo is a tool. And his hair is greasy.
All media has tripped over themselves in avoiding any words that might lead anyone to draw the logical conclusion.
Political Correctness is killing us.
What will be done? Nothing, just more of the same. All dhimmi’ed up with nobody to fight.
I hope the ‘higher-ups’ in the military are reviewing their procedures for enlistment screening. I hope they will do a better job of reviewing disciplinary records too. They owe it to that majority of fine soldiers who love our country.
Well, from the many posts, maybe we ought to pass a law requiring Moslems to wear “yellow” crescents and mark their places of business with the word “Moslem”. I’m sure there are plenty of places out west, where we could put them. Maybe the old Japanese sites will do, American citizens or not.
I’m curious about two things.
1. If convicted, what will be his punishment?
2. Was he a registered Republican?