The massacre at Fort Hood and Muslim soldiers with attitude
Scroll for updates…7:39am Eastern press conference…Ft. Hood officials disclose that the murder victims included 12 soldiers and 1 civilian…first responder heroine who shot Hasan is in stable condition…witnesses still being interviewed “all through the night”…they confirm that Hasan was wearing his uniform…
I was traveling to Wichita for a speaking event/fundraiser (which I’ll tell you more about later) when news of the Fort Hood massacre broke. Please continue to pray for the 12 murder victims [update 11/6: now 13 dead] and their families, and the 30 wounded and their families.
Allahpundit at Hot Air has a massive, blow-by-blow post on all the latest developments. The Christian Science Monitor profiles Nidal Malik Hasan, the Muslim soldier identified by the military as the shooter:
Terry Lee, a retired Army colonel who knew Hasan, told Fox News about a story he heard secondhand. He said a fellow colleague had told him that Hasan had made “outlandish comments” about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and US involvement in them and that “Muslims had a right to rise up and attack Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
“[He] made comments about how we shouldn’t be over there – you need to lock it up, Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor,” Lee added.
But the suspect’s cousin, Nader Hasan, gave Fox News a different picture. He said his cousin had never deployed but was affected by the war and had been concerned about his impending deployment.
“He would tell us how he would hear things, horrific things, things from war probably affecting him psychologically,” Nader Hasan said.
From AP:
His name appears on radical Internet postings. A fellow officer says he fought his deployment to Iraq and argued with soldiers who supported U.S. wars. He required counseling as a medical student because of problems with patients.
There are many unknowns about Nidal Malik Hasan, the man authorities say is responsible for the worst mass killing on a U.S. military base. Most of all, his motive. But details of his life and mindset, emerging from official sources and personal acquaintances, are troubling.
“Troubling.” And familiar.
At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.
Here’s the Scribd comment of Nidal Hasan:
There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.
Those of you with long memories will remember all those who came before Hasan. Here is my column from March 2003 on Muslim soldiers with attitude:
Sgt. Asan Akbar, a Muslim American soldier with the 326th Engineer Battalion, had an “attitude problem.”
According to his superiors and acquaintances, Akbar’s attitude was bitterly anti-American and staunchly pro-Muslim. So how did this devout follower of the so-called Religion of Peace work out his attitudinal problems last weekend?
By lobbing hand grenades and aiming his M-4 automatic rifle into three tents filled with sleeping commanding officers at the 101st Airborne Division’s 1st Brigade operations center in Kuwait.
Akbar is the lone suspect being detained in the despicable attack, which left more than a dozen wounded and one dead. Surviving soldiers say Akbar, found cowering in a bunker with shrapnel injuries, was overheard ranting after the assault: “You guys are coming into our countries, and you’re going to rape our women and kill our children.”
“Our”? At least there’s no doubt about where this Religion of Peace practitioner’s true loyalties lie.
Naturally, apologists for Islam-gone-awry are hard at work dismissing this traitorous act of murder as an “isolated, individual act and not an expression of faith.” But such sentiments are willfully blind and recklessly p.c.
Sgt. Akbar is not the only MSWA — Muslim soldier with attitude — suspected of infiltrating our military, endangering our troops and undermining national security:
– Ali A. Mohamed. Mohamed, a major in the Egyptian army, immigrated to the U.S. in 1986 and joined the U.S. Army while a resident alien. This despite being on a State Department terrorist watch list before securing his visa. An avowed Islamist, he taught classes on Muslim culture to U.S. Special Forces at Fort Bragg, N.C., and obtained classified military documents. He was granted U.S. citizenship over the objections of the CIA.
A former classmate, Jason T. Fogg, recalled that Mohamed was openly critical of the American military. “To be in the U.S. military and have so much hate toward the U.S. was odd. He never referred to America as his country.”
Soon after he was honorably discharged from the Army in 1989, Mohamed hooked up with Osama bin Laden as an escort, trainer, bagman and messenger. Mohamed used his U.S. passport to conduct surveillance at the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi; he later pled guilty to conspiring with bin Laden to “attack any Western target in the Middle East” and admitted his role in the 1998 African embassy bombings that killed more than 200 people, including a dozen Americans.
Ain’t multiculturalism grand?
– Semi Osman. An ethnic Lebanese born in Sierra Leone and a Seattle-based Muslim cleric, Osman served in a naval reserve fueling unit based in Tacoma, Wash. He had access to fuel trucks similar to the type used by al Qaeda in the 1996 bombing of the Khobar Towers, which killed 19 U.S. airmen and wounded nearly 400 other Americans.
Osman was arrested last May as part of a federal investigation into the establishment of a terrorist training camp in Bly, Oregon. Osman recently pleaded guilty to a weapons violation, and the feds dropped immigration charges against him in exchange for his testimony.
Ain’t open borders grand?
– John Muhammad. The accused Beltway sniper and Muslim convert was a member of the Army’s 84th Engineering Company. In an eerie parallel to the Akbar case, Muhammad is suspected of throwing a thermite grenade into a tent housing 16 of his fellow soldiers as they slept before the ground-attack phase of Gulf War I in 1991. Muhammad’s superior, Sgt. Kip Berentson, told both Newsweek and The Seattle Times that he immediately suspected Muhammad, who was “trouble from day one.”
Curiously, Muhammad was admitted to the Army despite being earlier court-martialed for willfully disobeying orders, striking another noncommissioned officer, wrongfully taking property, and being absent without leave while serving in the Louisiana National Guard.
Although Muhammad was led away in handcuffs and transferred to another company pending charges for the grenade attack, an indictment never materialized. Muhammad was honorably discharged from the Army in 1994. Eight years later, he was arrested in the 21-day Beltway shooting spree that left 10 dead and three wounded.
Ain’t tolerance grand?
– Jeffrey Leon Battle. A former Army reservist, Battle was indicted in October 2002 for conspiring to levy war against the United States and “enlisting in the Reserves to receive military training to use against America.” According to the Justice Department, he planned to wage war against American soldiers in Afghanistan.
Ain’t diversity grand?
“It’s bad enough we have to worry about enemy forces, but now we have to worry about our own guys,” Spc. Autumn Simmer told the Los Angeles Times this week after the assault on the 101st Airborne. The Islamist infiltration of our troops is scandalous. Not one more American, soldier or civilian, must be sacrificed at the altar of multiculturalism, diversity, open borders, and tolerance of the murderous “attitude” of Jihad.
FYI: Convicted Beltway sniper John Muhammad is scheduled to be executed next week. No doubt the families of the Muslim sniper victims are re-living the horror tonight.
FYI: Muslim US soldier Hasan Abujihaad was convicted last year on espionage and material terrorism support charges
after serving aboard the USS Benfold and sharing classified info with al Qaeda financiers, including movements of US ships just six months after al Qaeda operatives had killed 17 Americans aboard the USS Cole in the port of Yemen.
On Twitter, follow #fthood for news updates.
More Twitter-related news here.
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Clarice Feldman notes President Obama’s “odd” — to say the least — reaction to the attack on Fort Hood soldiers:
On Thursday, 11 soldiers and civilian police at Fort Hood were slaughtered execution-style at close range and over 30 others wounded, allegedly by a U.S. Army Major Malik Nadal Hasan. The President immediately addressed the nation concerning this horrific event.
However, his expression of grief was very odd. He spent the first two minutes of the four-and-a-half minute address in a light-hearted discussion of his earlier “Tribal Nations Conference” on Native American rights, including a “shout out” recognition of a conference attendee.
When he finally got around to the purpose for his public appearance, he gave an uninspired and rambling dissertation on the tragedy. Even then, he could not keep the topic focused on sympathy for the pain of others:
I want all of you to know that as Commander in Chief, that there’s no greater honor, but no greater responsibility for me (emphasis his) than to make sure that the extraordinary men and women in uniform are properly cared for…Poor soul, it’s so saddening to know how this tragedy affects him. Listening to this address provides some insight into Obama’s character and how he ranks his priorities.
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Business as usual: The whitewashing of jihad by the MSM. See here and here.
I’ve said it many times over the years and it bears repeating again as cable TV talking heads ask in bewilderment how all the red flags Hasan raised could have been ignored: Political correctness is the handmaiden of terror.
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U.S. Rep. Michael McCaul, a Republican from Austin, was briefed by military officials and said Hasan had taken some unusual classes for someone studying about mental health.
“He took a lot of extra classes in weapons training, which seems a little odd for a psychiatrist,” McCaul said.
McCaul said Hasan had received poor grades for his work at Walter Reed and was not happy about his situation in Fort Hood, where Hasan apparently felt like “he didn’t fit in.”
“He’s disgruntled because he had a poor performance evaluation, he doesn’t believe in the mission, he’s looking at getting transferred to Afghanistan or Iraq,” McCaul said. “He’s not happy about all that.”
McCaul added that officials planned to interview Hasan to try to determine for sure that he was not working with foreign agents.
“From an intelligence standpoint, that’s key, finding out if he talked to anyone overseas,” McCaul said.
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Bruce Bawer has a brilliant essay on the MSM whitewashing of jihad:
CNN (ditto the New York Times website) was considerably less useful than the tidbits I picked up online by following links on various blogs and in Facebook postings. They led me to (among other things) an AP story, a Daily Mail article, and a Fox News interview that provided telling details: Hasan had apparently been a devout Muslim; Arabic words, reportedly a Muslim prayer, had been posted on his apartment door in Maryland; in conversations with colleagues he had repeatedly expressed sympathy for suicide bombers; on Thursday morning, hours before the massacre, he had supposedly handed out copies of the Koran to neighbors. A couple of these facts eventually surfaced on CNN, but only briefly; they were rushed past, left untouched, unexamined; the network seemed to be making a masterly effort to avoid giving this data a cold, hard look. Meanwhile it spent time doing heavy-handed spin — devoting several minutes, for example, to an inane interview with a forensic psychiatrist who talked about the stress of treating soldiers bearing the emotional scars of war. The obvious purpose was to turn our eyes away from Islamism and toward psychiatric instability as a motive.
…after [the Anderson Cooper show] was over, we got a “special edition” of Larry King Live hosted by Wolf Blitzer. This one really took the cake. By way of “illuminating” Hasan’s actions, Blitzer interviewed a panel of — no, not experts on Islamic jihad, but psychiatrists. Blitzer endlessly repeated the mantra that Hasan had been “taunted” for being Muslim, had feared going to a war zone, and had ultimately gone “berserk,” and the docs echoed this line. “He did not reach for help when he should have,” lamented one panelist. Another opined: “It sounded like it got to be too much for him.” Yet another told us: “All kind of people need help who aren’t getting help. … He was feeling picked on by his colleagues. … He was strained. He was scared.”
Could there be a more bitter contrast? At Fort Hood, so many courageous GIs, all of them prepared to risk their lives fighting the Islamic jihadist enemy in defense of our freedom, several of them now dead. And, on our TV screens, so many apparently craven journalists, public officials, psychiatrists, and (alas) even military brass — all but a few of whom seemed unwilling to do anything more than hint obliquely at the truth that obviously lies at the root of this monstrous act.
And now: Reports that Hasan shouted “Allahu Akbar!” during the attack.
Nothing to see here. Move along…
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The article mentioned that he was a psychiatrist and wondered why he took extra classes in weapon instruction.
Just watched the video of Obama’s remarks — WOW, what a weird disconnect. I couldn’t help but wonder how he would have addressed the country if it had been him reading to a group of students when the 9/11 attacks occurred:
“Thank you everyone. I want to thank Mrs. Pookie and her class for allowing me to be here today. The kids entertained me with a cute little diddy and I want to give a shout out to the young service volunteer who wrote it — your NEA check is in the mail! Joe is working on uploading the video to youtube and posting a link to the Whitehouse web site if he can remember the site’s phone number.
“Education is something we take very seriously in this administration. Just last week my own daughter Mallah…I mean Malia…brought home a C on a test. We told her this family brings home A’s. She said ‘prove it’ and I just chuckled and reminded her that winners don’t have to prove anything. I’m happy to say that she worked hard and this week she was able to bring home an A. Harvard has already sent her a letter of acceptance and we’re very proud of her.
“But the children in New York may not be so lucky. Right now, thousands of young minds are seeing their education interrupted, right as the school year gets started. We have reports that there have been a couple of plane crashes somewhere in the vicinity of the World Trade Center. Let me be very clear: The education of our children will continue. Those that would stand in the way are our enemies and we will deal with them. My administration is receiving updates as they become available and we will make sure the American people are kept informed. At times like this rumors can spread and be mistaken for the truth and we must be very prudent in filtering the stories out there. For this reason, CNN and MSNBC have already been dispatched along with senior officials from the Whitehouse and they will be reporting on this tragedy throughout the day. The satellite feeds of all other stations have been blocked and one of these two will be shown in their place. I apologize for any inconvenience to anyone — I know grandma loves those soaps — but for now we’ve got to make sure that the American people receive information that we feel is in their best interests.
“Thank you and may America be blessed.”
space…
To be a psychiatrist he had to have a medical degree. MD, DO, etc.
No, wasn’t serious. I was being sarcastic. As a conservative, I judge each person on their character and actions, and not let emotion and “herd mentality” cloud my opinions…much like the MSM and the left.
I will pray for the dead and wounded, but I know in my heart this tragedy will be covered up be the government. Just like they did in OK City. Last night on the news the FBI was already saying how it would be covered.
How about looking into their eyes and asking them what they think about all this. I don’t intend to come off rude, just distrustful.
This individual was a Shrink and because of his job, shrinks are supposed to be under another shrinks care.
I keep hearing he was harrased and that caused him to snap – what a crock, that is no excuse for his actions.
He was under a lot of pressure because of what he heard from patients in consuling? Thats another crock, never met a shrink in country so he suffered from what his patients told him?
“why he took extra classes in weapon instruction.”
I was a hospital corpsman, Navy assigned to Marines. 1972-1976. I and our doctors loved to take weapons training. The doctors most of all. At least in my experience it was quite common.
I loved the grenade launchers. 6 foot kill radius meant I just pointed and fired.
Any predictions on any mainstream pontificators portraying this as a hate crime? Fits their definition perfectly but it will be sanitized and/or ignored.
I know one needs an MD to be a psychiatrist; I also know that people mix up the terms all the time. Psychiatry is a medical school degree, and the practitioners can write prescriptions. I want to know where he went to med school if indeed he did.
“shrinks are supposed to be under another shrinks care.”
Not in the private sector. Don’t know about Army protocols. Non-psychiatrist mental health providers do. None of the psychiatrist I know are under another shrink in any way.
For those of you who think this wasn’t about Islam, please wake up. If you look the comments by sick Muslims on Debbie Schlussel’s site (they hate her more than anyone else), it is easy to tell what their strategy is here:
1. Be careful not to show how happy you secretly are about the attacks on American soldiers.
2. Call Americans “racists” for linking Islam to terrorism. (despite what “race” linking Indonesians, Arabians, and Bosnians?)
3. Turn everything around 180 degrees by making the victims of Muslim terrorism the villains: They were oppressing poor Muslims by serving in the military and “picking on” the guy.
4. Make the shooter and all Muslims the victims: They were oppressed by President Bush’s foreign policy, they killed “innocent” Muslims, etc. causing “stress” on the shooter.
For those clueless enough to say that “most” Muslims condemn this attack, please look at what the Koran says. They don’t. It’s called “jihad of the tongue.” They will PRETEND they are good Americans, but when the time comes you as an infidel are expendible.
YUK YUK YUK …
It’s obvious that these bad guys aren’t being watched close enough …
7 I was curious about #1… quick google search produced this:
http://tinyurl.com/ygg54rf
Fom the link:
“The gunman who killed 12 people today at Ft. Hood appears, based on current media reports, to be Army psychiatrist Nidal Hasan who was listed as a participant in a Homeland Security Policy Institute’s presidential transition task force last year.
The task force was not officially affiliated with the White House. It was a project of the Homeland Security Policy Institute, an independent thinktank housed at George Washington University, aimed at drafting policy recommendations for the incoming Obama administration.”
Posted by: Doc at November 06, 2009 12:31 AM (rzJpR)
Publish it!
jsmiddleton – Hasan was never deployed.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/soldiers-killed-fort-hood-shooting/story?id=9007938
Sources tell ABC News that this would have been his first deployment.
Could be wrong, but so far, I haven’t seen any report stating that he had served in an area of combat, and he doesn’t appear to have the excuse of PTSD. He was, however, desciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/fort-hood-jihad-shooter-was-disciplined-for-islamic-proselytizing.html
And he handed out Korans before going on his murder spree.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/fort-hood-jihad-shooter-handed-out-korans-the-morning-of-his-attack.html
It certainly appears that it was his faith that drove him to murder, not PTSD.
“looking into their eyes and asking them”
Actually I’ll just ask them if they are ok. I’ll let them decide how they want to answer.
If a “Christian” had done this would we be condemning all Christians?
Hardly.
And I am not Islamic friendly by the way. Zero man of faith has it about right. Islam is a backwards, 7th Century, goofed up belief system. It is not “peace loving”.
Its a great time to be dissonant. Instead of meeting hate with hate and suspicion. I can meet hate with being present, caring and available.
Want to change how Islamic people see non-Islamic people and have a chance to actually change minds?
Guess how you earn the right to be heard?
Regarding the MD for this psych(o)iatrist,
he could be a psychologist w/a PHD or have a master’s in social work, MSW.
Regardless, the media first said he was dead!
“jsmiddleton – Hasan was never deployed.”
Ok, so?
What does that have to do with weapons training?
All the docs I referred to took their weapons training at Camp Pendleton and were assigned to the Naval Hospital there. Could be some of them eventually were deployed although Vietnam was winding down. But none of them had been deployed while they were learning to shoot LAWS or M-16′s, or like me our friendly grenade launchers.
Does a terrorist attack require planes crashing into buildings and highjackings? Is this why the FBI always declares “no terrorism” minutes after US citizens are run down, shot or killed by “persons with Arabics-sounding last names or appearing Middle Eastern,” and before knowing the facts? Please define terrorism for the masses.
To me it is an act of terrorism for a single cowardly man killing in the name of Islam, much less multiple killings of our soldiers.
MSM and FBI, please define why isolated radical Islamics, killing in the name of their god, does not equate a terrorist attack on innocent Americans.
…because there is nothing reasonable about faith especially when it comes to Islam.
Sorry if someone has already said this…
Put the gays in the military and remove the muslums.
jsmiddleton4, there’s nothing wrong with gaining information about people/your friends. Logging it in – acting accordingly (around them). When it comes down to it, it is your own actions that you control, not others.
Check out Dr. Phil and POW Shoshawna wagging her finger at an Iraq vet who called the Muslim Extremist for what he is http://www.breitbart.tv/veteran-on-ft-hood-need-to-take-a-giant-step-back-from-all-the-psychobabble/
Hope theyre enjoying their crow.
“nothing reasonable about faith especially when it comes to Islam.”
You confuse faith with the object of that faith Zero oh man of great faith.
Js – based on this: ” it is likely they did not want to discharge a psychiatrist who was dealing with those very things.” I thought that you were asserting that the Army didn’t want to discharge Hasan because he was suffering from PTSD, which, since he was never deployed (if true), he was not. Also, I wanted to show my ausum spelin skilz.
But you might be onto something with the weapons training. Ali Muhammud stole Special Forces training manuals and gave copies to the Jihadists who planned 9/11 and other attacks.
Problem is…. none of the kooks exposed so far would ever have been deemed a radical lunatic beforehand. It’s like leaving a Pit Bull alone with your baby because it had no prior record of attacking people. A fairly stupid idea all the way around.
Also, this cowardly Hasan will be martyred by radical Islamics. Guaranteed.
There could also be copycats in the crowds of other military bases. Remember the Tampa pipe bombers who were looking at a military site?
Ignore the MSM. This was an act of terrorism, as were the others Michelle has mentioned. It did not start with 9/11, it started with the bombings of the Marine barracks in 1983:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_barracks_bombing
Yes it is! What is more peaceful than a grave yard – full of dead non-believers’?
islam is incompatible with the U.S. military, and dare I say American values.
Not my comment, it was in the article that said he was a pyschiatrist and they found it odd that he took extra weapons instruction classes. I don’t have a problem with this but hind sight apparently makes them wonder about it.
If they have a problem with “non-Islamic” people, why are they in America?
Anyone home, there? What kind of PRE-traumatic stress syndrome was he facing, since he was never abroad fighting in a war? Don’t fall into the trap that Muslims want you to believe: That anytime a Muslim does a very Muslim action (kill infidels) that somehow is it just “stress” that was caused by the infidels.
You are disrespecting the memories of the slain soldiers by making them into the enemies and the shooter into the victim.
You don’t understand how they think. For them, your hug is a gesture of terrible weakness, and they will secretly show you contempt.
“found it odd that he took extra weapons instruction classes.”
All I was pointing out that as a doctor in the military at least when I was in nothing about a doctor taking extra weapons training would have been odd. It was the norm. The docs just loved to blow stuff up.
jsmiddleton:
I have to run and I’ll check back later. I will say this though:
The very funny thing about you trying to equate my non-religion with a religion itself is that you absolutely know that faith is irrational and groundless (truly religious people in the know will admit this, they will tell you it’s not about reason and logic, it’s about faith). Therefore, you try and put my lack of beliefs on the same level.
By your logic, believing that the Earth is round is also a religion. It’s stupid and it twists the English language.
Fortunately for us all, Christianity is relatively benign and decent when compared to Islam. While you are busy mangling the English language, Muslims are busy killing people.
Anyhow, let the record show jsmiddleton is dragging his grievances from another thread into this one. Way to go, jsmiddleton! Let’s argue about atheism vs. theism in the thread where we all should be agreeing that Islam is crap. That is almost as good as the time someone tried to use a thread about a dead child to proselytize me.
jsmiddleton4 said:
Just as a side note, I had to see one for about a year and we would just talk and mine was not really under the care of but he went and saw another Shrink just to get his perspective back.
Yes, much like Christianity was a thousand years ago; ruled by priests/clerics who used it as a means of profit and power only. It’s easy to dupe illiterate people into doing things that favor the powerful. However, as it was then, as now, there were many who simply wanted to be left alone to raise their families and live in some comfort. Politics and power meant very little to them.
Gabe,
You need to do a better job of reading sir.
Given the responses already on this forum I just can’t imagine why they’d have a problem with non-Islamic folks. Gee. Can’t imagine.
“he went and saw another Shrink just to get his perspective back.”
Not saying they don’t. Saying it isn’t required.
What I want to know is why he was majoring in biochemistry at Virginia Tech. Planning expertise in weapons of mass destruction? Then deciding to infiltrate the military?
The two hardest lessons for the multiculturalists amongst us to learn:
a. Not all cultures are equal.
b. Not all cultures are ‘good’.
I checked articles on this attack at MSNBC and CNN.
Neither of the main articles on this attack posted by these two site use the word muslim anywhere.
I want proof of his medical degree; otherwise I’ll just call him a terrorist infiltrator.
Just like someone else who won’t share his university grades/transcript; whom I call ‘wanna-be’
“dragging his grievances”
What grievances zero man of great faith?
Didn’t have any before, have none now.
You sir are a man of great faith. Your faith causes me to be humbled when I consider mine.
As an object of faith Islam is a mess. It very much leads to violence. Dealt with it in Sudan in regards to slavery and trying to get slavery stopped and the raids by the Sudanese PDF forces (the ones currently raiding in Dafur) from Khartoum into the south to collect black girls and boys who were enslaved.
You don’t need to convince me about Islam.
But there is a difference between having faith and the object of that faith.
What about that is a “grievance”?
And thirteen Americans DEAD! But we won’t mention that the bastard was a Muslim that dressed in Muslim garb and compared suicide bombers to brave soldiers that throw themselves on grenades to save their buddies lives… nooooooo, shhhhhhhhh, don’t mention it or you are RAAAAAACIST.
WAKE UP AMERICA…
That’s not being rude at all.
It’s being sensible and cautious.
c. Not all savages are ‘noble’
“I want proof of his medical degree”
If I understood what his cousin was saying on Fox News last night it is entirely possible that the Army paid for his degree and his medical degree. As in you and I through our tax dollars.
So I also would like to hear the whole story regarding his education.
Are you kidding? They have had a problem with “non-Islamic folks” since Mohammed. There is so much proof of this, if you haven’t noticed it, you are willfully blind.
I can see your motive here with your comments: transfer the blame from the shooter to the victims. Oh, the shooter just had a problem with “non-Islamic folks” because we caused him to.
Wake. up.
c. Not all savages are ‘noble’
My experience is that a noble savage is the exception, not the rule.
I am going to start keeping an eye on them…
Wow…just Wow!
It didn’t take long for moral equivalence to surface.
I am most surprised that it wasn’t first brought up by one of our resident statist/fascist/opposite worldview-holding/etc. trolls.
“I can see your motive here with your comments: transfer the blame from the shooter to the victims.”
Like I’ve already said Gabe, you need to pay a little more attention to what you think a thing says.
The 4 soldiers I know training up for afghanistand in fort hood are all safe. They were on the range when this happened.
Christianity got over the crusades and moved on. Islam is still fighting the crusades. Thats the difference.
An M79? Fired off a lot of those 20mm rounds-but that was 40 years ago.
Wow! again.
It took just a few minutes longer for the “It’s our fault” and “We asked for it and deserved it” comments to pop up here…again, not from our resident opposite worldview-holding/and-the-rest trolls.
Interesting, surprising, and disappointing.
I believe that the killer had gone to the medical school of the Uniformed Armed Services.
And I guess the Lame stream and trolls will toss this aside and call it an isolated incident when:
If I remember right, wasn’t it the Army that had an incident in Iraq where a muslim trooper used a grenade to blow up several of his mates?
Apparently, to muslim fanatics, blowing up innocent women and children counts as “killing enemy soldiers”.
Can we have a comment from CAIR now?
Hardly moral. I condemn much of Christian history as much as I condemn Islamic history. Today, in Islam, you have those who spurn people on, to commit acts of murder for profit and power. These real murderers can’t make it in politics, so they seek the power in religion. World history is full of that. Using illiterate people, and keeping them illiterate is a tool to that end. Of course, in any religion you will have the occasional wild-eyed radical, who is mentally disturbed. I’m hardly defending Islam, I just “take pause” when I feel my thoughts resemble that of the far left. Islam, today, is full of hate, and when you’re raised in that hate, you tend to go along with it. I’m also disgusted with the MSM and their same tactics…duping the people into their own “religion”.
“It’s our fault” and “We asked for it and deserved it” comments to pop up here.”
If you think that is what I have posted you and Gabe need to look up a reading comprehension class in your area.
They’re too busy warning their members that someone may deface a mosque or butt in line in front of one of them at Aldi.
Meanwhile, I’m positive the next thing we will see is a synagogue somewhere getting firebombed.
A person of true faith has no reason to be concerned about the faith of another or lack thereof. I think many muslims are trapped by Islam and are actually very insecure about it. Why else do Islamic countries have laws that prohibit other religions from openly competing with Islam? Why do they so fear the competition? I think the reason is that Islam is not about God – it is all about a system of domination and submission.
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Please show us where in the Gospel we are urged to kill our enemies.
And please read Robert Spencer to see that it is written in the koran to kill unbelievers.
Well, thank God for that.
And for that.
FIFY.
Let us know how that works out for you.
I know I’ll feel a lot safer if the folks who are supposed to keep me safe have that attitude.
No, I do not.
I’d sooner try to stop the tide, as King Canute did.
I want to protect – protect – myself, my family, and my fellow Americans.
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What, are we back in the 60s-early 70s?
The Crusades: Christan Europe defending it’s self from the mohammedan invasions-invasion of Christian Syria and Levant, Christian Anatolia, Christian Egypt, Christian Spain, Christian Greece all the way to the gates of Vienna.Muslim conquest of Christian Spain 711. First Crusade 1095-Battle of Vienna of 1683. Bracket?
Damn Christian Europe kept fighting back-the islamophoebs.
Just as it was only in hindsight that anybody really got concerned about a bunch of Saudis learning how to fly an airplane without learning how to land.
And over at ABCNews.go.com if you search on muslim.
Two ABC hits are found.
Both dated today. Both video segments.
“A Muslim Perspective
What is it like being a Muslim in today’s military? “
and
“Former Fort Hood Chaplain Met With Suspect Nidal Hasan about holding Muslim services. “
They are both interviews with Maj. Khallid Shabazz, the former chaplin at Ft. Hood. While ABC at least isn’t ignoring that this murderer was a muslim, the angle they are taking seems to be about whether or not this Major was picked on by fellow soldiers and whether or not he was distressed about being deployed.
In other words…. it’s was somebody else’s fault….not his.
An Orthodox Bishop I know has often said, Muslims would convert to Christianity quicker than most, but for the fear of death. He has had a lot of contact and subsequently a lot of discussion with people of that faith. He should know.
“An M79?”
I’d have to dust off some old memories to be sure. Sounds right Ariz….
What I remember mostly is that it looked and felt like a toy. Made almost a burp sound when fired. You could see the grenade almost in slow motion. The grenade cartridge looked like a shotgun shell on anabolic steroids. The grenade just floated through the air, silently, until it hit and then BOOOOOOOM. Everything in 6 foot radius dead.
I loved it.
Could easily carry it with my medical stuff. Some of the other corpsmen like sawed off shotguns. Me I didn’t want to get that close to anyone who was trying to kill me. Something about a six foot kill radius that was happening with some distance between me and it was appealing…..
spaceycakes said:
Hell, I am waiting for the inevitable ” its all George Bushes Fault, if we had not gone into Afghanistan and Iraq under his leadership, we would be having these problems today’ or some such drivel.
“got concerned about a bunch of Saudis learning how to fly an airplane”
You’d think when they didn’t want to learn to land some one would have said, “Huh? That’s kinda odd.”
whom I already heard this morning on the TV before promptly shutting it off.
Yes. It is all our fault. Get used to it.
Not so.
I have faith that my wife loves me and will not leave me. I have faith that my children will do well in school and in life. I have faith that my friends will support me through difficult times.
I have faith because I know their character, and how they will react in certain circumstances. In many cases, it defies logical reason, but makes perfect sense to me.
I have faith in God because I know His attributes from His Word, and from how he has intervened in my own life.
Religious faith to true Christians is not blind… it is reasonable and logical.
Just wanted to clarify that…
Does anyone know if HSC Janet Napolitano has made a comment about this yet? She should…and so should a lot of high-profile US Muslims in denouncing Hasan’s actions.
To be clear, the Major being interviewed was not espousing that point of view. It was the ABC interviewers McFadden and Sawyer. I didn’t have a problem with anything Maj. Shabazz said, just the questions that were being asked.
Being anti-moslem isn’t politically profitable, at this time, for the left. Besides, they have enough enemies now to fight: the rich, insurance companies, industry, conservatives, etc. Once they get a handle on the present “enemies”, then they will begin to sway opinion to anti-moslem, as the “new enemy”. Has worked many times in world history. I suspect they will try it again, for power.
Wow again.
The insult didn’t take long at all to pop up!
I believe I read just fine.
Below are your – your – words:
Perhaps I and others here do not clearly understand whom you mean by “they”.
Perhaps I and others here do not clearly understand what you mean by “have a problem”.
Perhaps I and others here do not clearly understand whom you mean by “non-Islamic folks”.
Or, perhaps I and others here understand all too clearly the existential, mortal danger that Islam has posed for 1400 years, and continues to pose, to civilization.
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Seems like they should have had a clue when they kept on crash-landing into buildings. Seriously, seems to me I recall the instructors reported this odd behavior, and were ignored.
“The very funny thing about you trying to equate my non-religion with a religion itself is that you absolutely know that faith is irrational and groundless.”
As noted you continue to confuse faith with the object of faith. You zero are a man of great faith. Your faith in reason and your ability to reason puts my faith to shame. I am honestly humbled by and I complement you regarding yours with sincerity. You zero are a man of great faith.
Sorry if that bothers you as it seems to do.
“The insult didn’t take long at all to pop up!”
What insult. It is an accurate observation. If you think, as you obviously do, that anything I posted is blaming anyone but this Major or his Islamic belief, you need to take a reading comprehension class as you are way off base.
But please, “Wow!” me again. Its impact is indescribable.
WELL SAID!!
Here: http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/general/gen_islam.aspx
is tons if information regrading Christianity and Islam. It’s a waste of time to try and address it here. The issue is much to complicated and “large.”
That is so true to form for Obama. He can’t be this narcissistic – can he?!
The army has been in the process of degradation over the past 30 or so years–co-ed barracks, the lessening of physical requirements, AND the same tolerance of Islam as with Judaism and Christianity, including Muslim army chaplains. The whole “army of one” idea was a sign that the United States Army had lost its way, when it used to have standards and a uniform code for all of its soldiers.
There’s a reason why the Army used to only have Christian and Jewish chaplains, and that is because both religions have similar ideas with regard to honor and how they would deal with their fellow man. Islam teaches that non-Muslims are enemies of their god. Islam has been in perpetual war with the world since the seventh century, and that is the reason why he went on his rampage–because his religion is at war with the world.
As long as we continue on with this “hands off” attitude towards Islam, we can expect this sort of thing continuing to happen everywhere. No doubt the lax “security” on our military bases will pick up, but what about the rest of us? No one in government or the media will EVER get down to the essential reason why Muslims kill–IT’S THEIR RELIGION, STUPID, and that IT cannot be tolerated as a civilized code of ethic anymore.
Islam IS THE PROBLEM. They can kill, murder, enslave, & lie to further Islam, these are all doctrines of the Kuran and based on global statistics…duh. But our liberal PCs won’t allow us to really bring peace to the world… converting the oppressed to Christianity! To tolerance! And our own soldiers & civilians just like in history will die, because we don’t want to confront the real evil.
Goes back a lot farther than that. Read the 9/11 commission report.
On Glenn Beck this a.m. it was mentioned that Obama’s comments on the “incident” were given following some conference. He spent the first two minutes of his speech talking about the great conference they just had, then, grinning, gave a “shout out” to some of his cronies in the audience. THEN, and only THEN, did he start talking about the Fort Hood massacre. In other words, he knew what had happened, but still took the time to “schmooze” and “grin” before commenting. What kind of a Commander-In-Chief does that??? The man is a total a$$hole.
Agreed, but it sure fits with the leftist idea of utopia and we have all served that master far too long.
I guess I am not in agreement with many of you. Yes he is a Muslim. Be advised we have Muslims in uniform blowing away their Muslim brothers and all they feel when they do it is recoil.
This guy was a loner, quiet, PSYCHIATRIST, who was still only in the Army because he was paying the Army back for his PHD. He had this beyond reality view that he never had to deploy. He was single, no kids, etc.
He fits the profile. Yes, I am sure his religon fueled the flames, but the root cause of this was not his religon. The root cause is his twisted view of his reality in the U.S. Army.
I would love to see his OER’s and the results of the promotion board that promoted him to major this year. I will bet you dollars to doughnuts that if this guy was not still paying the government back for his education Qualitative Retention would have removed him from the program by passing him over for promotion twice.
I will take off into a rant for a moment:
Nobody is talking about that puppet show last night given by our Dear Leader. I almost took my TV and threw it through the window. This POS could not care less about the Military or their families and his so called feelings toward them are non-existent.
What an absolute total disgrace this Empty Suit is. Even the word disgrace is giving credit to the word.
Did anyone see the look on Pig Lousys Face after the House moment of silence?
Her thunder was stolen and it was evident on that Botoxed mug of hers.
This will be “PCd UNDER THE RUG!”
or Swept Under the Rug…Mark My Words…
Another lesson for Americans: Muslims are cowards and fight like cowards. So the best strategy is to attack the weakness of cowards and induce panic.
You can partially thank the politically correct JAG CORPS for not wanting to prosecute him under the UCMJ. The ACLU has infiltrated the JAG CORPS. Want to fix part of the problem? Start purging that organization of its liberal filth. Did Obama sign an executive order preventing any prosecution of Islamic radicals in the U.S. military? This guy should have been arrested by MP’s and held for the evidence they discovered. UNBELIEVABLE!!!
Jsmiddleton:
This coming from you? You can’t seem to speak English much less understand it.
Why shouldn’t I be bothered? You are saying something incredibly stupid. You are trying to tell me that something like belief that the moon orbits the Earth is faith. It’s appallingly inane, it mangles the Enlgish language, and it should make anyone that cares about communication choke.
ALCON:
A great many people seem to be mentioning how Christian morality is superior to Islam. I might say that most Christians have moral values that are superior to most Muslims, but that has do to with our culture and advanced society. The core beliefs are rather similar, heck, the Bible and the Koran have common roots. The reason why Christians have better moral codes is because they don’t take the parts about killing people (like gays for example) seriously, well, except lunatics like Fred Phelps maybe.
PC is at the root of all this. PC espeically in regards to religion. It’s about time that agnostics, atheists, AND believers stop treating these lunatics with kid gloves and stop tolerating fundamentalists!
So true and I was surprised to see an NBC affiliate pointing out that he’s a POS.
I expect that his composite approval index will now plunge into an abyss.
Danceswithdachshunds said:
My jaw is still hanging open – An NBC affiliate was actually allowed to state the obvious -
dominigan:
That was well said and I agree with all of it except the part about god of course. My goal was a point about language and not your faith.
Unfortunately, more proof that Obama isn’t concerned with anything but Obama. Elections have consequences.
By the way, the MSM doesn’t have to mention the FACT that this creep is muslum. The FACT that he shouted “God is Great!” in arabic should pretty much tell the tale. And apparently, that is being reported. NOW, can they get past this PC crap??
No. You’re just a redneck bigot racist.
The poor man was a victim of our military industrial complex.
Bush did it.