Liveblogging, Pt. 2: The hurry-up House debate on health care; Update: Bill Passes
There’s less than half an hour left of general debate on the House government health care takeover bill. *Update* More time for general debate. Govtrack says another House cmte gets time.
Next, there will be debate on the Kabuki Stupak abortion funding measure (which GOP leader Boehner exposed in his exchange with Charlie Rangel this afternoon). As I noted in my previous liveblogging post, Boehner got Rangel to admit that there are NO guarantees that Stupak amendment will survive House-Senate negotiations.
After the Stupak amendment vote, there will be debate on the GOP alternative.
Then, the final vote is scheduled late into the night.
Viva transparency!
I am going to be offline for the next few hours speaking at a Foundation for Life event in Sugar Land, Texas.
Our intrepid guest blogger Doug Powers will be here to pick up liveblogging of the House debate.
Right now, members of the Congressional Black Caucus are on parade supporting the move toward single-payer and enshrining health care as a right.
Folks on the Hill now report that 33 Democrats are opposing Pelosicare.
Meantime, chew on this:
Later, Mr. Obama said he recognized that lawmakers were weary. “It’s tempting to say, ‘I’m tired, it’s hard, I’m getting beat up back in the district, it’s just not worth it,’” he said.
But he told Democrats that they must act now. “On a policy basis, if we do not get it done this year, we will not get it done anytime soon,” he said.
The president also singled out Representative Bill Owens, the newly-elected Democrat from a historically Republican district in New York, who was sworn into office just on Friday. Mr. Obama noted that Mr. Owens would support the health care bill even though it might not be popular at home.
“Think about Bill Owens,” Mr. Obama said. “He could have dodged it. But he didn’t. And guess what? Bill is sitting right here.”
TCOT Report responds:
From the start of his campaign on August 10 until an election eve debate on October 30, Owens adamantly opposed the type of public option that is contained in HR 3962, the Pelosi bill the House is voting on later today.
Owens announced qualified support for the “current bill” in an October 30 debate less than 84 hours before the polls opened. His statement of support was lost in the ensuing melodrama when Republican Dede Scozzafava withdrew from the race the next day, and then switched allegiances and endorsed him rather than the Conservative Doug Hoffman.
In his statement today lauding Owens, President Obama unwittingly confirmed what had been reported here earlier today–that the voters of the 23rd Congressional District had been misled throughout the campaign by Bill Owens that he opposed the Pelosi public option Health Care bill, and that, had Mr. Owens’ been honest with the voters throughout the entire campaign he would not have won the special election.
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Good evening all! I’ll be sitting in a bit tonight for Michelle, and we’ll get into it mostly once a vote starts, provided that happens tonight.
I’ve been listening quite a bit to the debate, and I have yet to hear one Rep. yield back the remainder of our money.
According to C-Span, Nancy “Constitutional? Are you serious?” Pelosi’s floor speech is “coming up shortly.” C-Span has a live stream here if you’re not near a TV.
Enough of the “dropped and denied coverage” tripe. Between the top seven private insurance companies and Medicare, the highest percentage of dropped or denied claims comes from the program that’s run by the government.
Update: 9:29 p.m. — The floor speeches continue. John Boehner is doing a good job of outlining the cost of this bill in terms of jobs, mandates, taxes, fines, penalties, etc. After all, where there’s a fine, there must be a penalty for not paying it. It’s clear that Pelosi gave some members too much time to read the bill.
Update 9:51 p.m. — Allahpundit at HotAir is reporting that the vote will be close, so we can be fairly certain that Nancy Pelosi is handing out Dove ice cream bars at a furious pace right now.
Also, Rep. John Dingell from my state of Michigan is spending five minutes serving as an example for term limits while pushing Obama/Pelosicare — but mostly the term limits thing.
10 p.m.: Vote on the Stupak amendment going on now, which would bar federal funds in the health care bill from being used for abortions. Up or down on this could make a difference in the final vote on the entire bill because it might sway fence-sitting Reps. whose vote hinges on whether they’re pro-choice socialist or pro-life socialist.
10:15 p.m.: Vote on the Stupak amendment… looks like it’s passing — no federal funds for abortions (“with some exceptions”) should the entire bill pass. So far 64 Dems voting for it.
10:37 p.m.: The “Republican alternative” is going down along party lines, save for one Repub voting with the Dems. Vote on the entire bill should be up shortly.
11 p.m.: Final vote going on now.
11:08 p.m.: Dems erupt as only people who just got a lot closer to getting their hands on a good chunk of the U.S. economy can. “Free health care that costs well over a trillion dollars” passed, 220-215. One Republican, Anh Cao, voted yes.
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They know this bill is very unpopular so they will vote on it, when no-one is watching. Sneak it through. I thought the 1865 congress was arrogant; this one is far more arrogrant, and obsessed with power-grabbing.
The GOP must not participate in voting yes for anything in this bill even if it appears to be worthy of their vote.
It is illegal and unconstitutional in the first place why provide it any degree of legitimacy with any yes vote.
M/M ~ Howdy and welcome!
Glad to have you in the Lone Star State!
Well, at least our congressman here will vote the right way…even being a demcrat. I guess the calls worked.
Politico reports Dems claim they have 218 votes.
OUTRAGEOUS-FASCIST-LIARS-THIEVES-GREEDY POWER GRABBERS-TYRANNICAL
If one Republican votes for Stupak I’m done with them.
Watching the health care debate on http://www.CSPAN.org proves how ignorant Democrats are about basic economic principles!!!
There are so many incredibly stupid comments that should be preserved forever on YouTube to remind people why it is so dangerous to vote for Democrats!!!
VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE!!!
Well, that’s what they get for trusting a Democrat.
I’ll do you one better. From this day forward, any GOP member who says he wants to work with “friends across the aisle” should be in our sights.
There are no moderates on the left, including
BlueYellow Dogs, who historically roll over.wren @5:58PM
“There are so many incredibly stupid comments”
Yep – they are not only completely clueless about economics but on the basic points of the Constitution.
Remember that Michelle Bachmann called on Tea Party activists to protest Thursday and delivered us to the feet of Boehner, Pence and Cantor who are now playing their designated roles in today’s Kabuki theatre. This is why I don’t trust ANY Republicans. That girl has some ‘splainin’ to do. Or she can come out and excoriate House GOP leadership and declare herself to no longer care about the party.
If Bachmann is the GOP leadership’s answer to Sarah Palin, FAIL!!!
*I believe all GOP house members will be voting NO later tonight; This is good for the ground game over the next 12 months; P-BO and the Dems will OWN it all as the economy comes crashing down; Let them dig a deeper hole, then the Tea Party Nation will bury them for good, along with all the RINO’s!
OMG Lynne Woolsey is drunk or on something!!! She is slurring her words!!! I guess Rehab will be in the ObamaCare.
BTW… wonder if they drug Patrick Kennedy out of Rehab to vote…
Yes,but will we be stuck with something we will never be able to rid ourselves of like Social Security?
Rep Sestak… “I was a war vet” uses his child and Ted Kennedy to drum up support… he can milk that for another 2 yr seat…idiot “war whoring”
To: 24Klady at 6:04pm
I completely agree! The Democrats who are supporting this bill either don’t care about the Constitution or they don’t understand it.
The Democrat arguments in favor of the bill are just based on emotion.
I wish all Americans would watch this debate so they could really see the difference between the Reps. who oppose vs. support this bill!
I’m just wondering if our ‘promised land’ healthcare bill is going to cover frostbite and heat stroke once the crap and tax bill is passed?
wren, me too. However, the largest voting block in the dem party could give a hoot less…because ‘Bambi and his stash is going to pay for it.
Rep Bob Andrews D-NJ…. Cristie supporters need to walk door to door in his district to end that nitemare!
Tar and Feathers is TOO good for them…
anyone wonder why Rep Bob Andrews wants abortions so bad in this bill?
I wonder how far these idiots in Congress will push things? Felonies for not purchasing health care? Are they really this stupid or are they stupid with some kind of moronic plot in mind? These people are starting to make Dr. Evil look bright…
Rep Phil Hare the big fat dumbo says ObamaCare is a right. Guy looks like a heart attack waiting to happen..needs to run a few miles around the Capital
He won’t be after Jan 2011, when we get those 2% fools who voted for him onto our side or removed from voting if they are ACORN vote fraud/prostitution volunteers.
Ina about an hour Thad McCotter will be speaking on the House floor in the next hour on Speaker Pelosi’s government takeover of health care.
I dont think if this passes that “voting” them out will do one iota of good, it will come to more extreme measures, and that will be the defining moment in our history. God bless the United States of America and God speed to its once mighty constitution.
Pelosi: “…and will not add one dime to the Deficit…”
YOU LIE!
Where is Joe Wilson when we need him?
Holy Cow! How plastic surgeon must have removed all the muscle connections in Queen Nancy’s face to be able to stand up there and lie like that without giggling.
Pelosi is an big time liar !!! Won’t add one dime to the deficit – ha ha.
These people don’t seem to have any idea of the history of social security or medicare.
Pelosi is EVIL 111
And I will be there at the Foundation for Life banquet in Sugarland TX.
A Resolution to America
Whereas: politicians of both parties have ignored We the People over the past several months, their Oaths of Office and their Constitutional duty; and
Whereas: the administration and politicians, both having a primary duty to provide for the national defense have taken significant steps to weaken that defense, make it easier for our enemies and ignore the men and women they voted to send into harms way; and
Whereas: members of the administration and our elected representatives have a number among them with significant ethical and legal problems, including some likely criminal that have been ignored; and
Whereas: politicians, without regard to our Constitution and freedoms, have passed or are planning on passing legislation that significantly infringes on the Constitution and those freedoms; and
Whereas: those politicians passed a massive bailout of banks and automakers during this period without addressing the root causes for their failures; and
Whereas: those same politicians passed a massive bill they call “stimulus” with little oversight, without regard to where it is going on what jobs may or may not be created and without regard to the taxpayers forced to pay for it for generations to come; and
Whereas: the current administration has installed numerous radical “czars” with unprecedented power, no oversight and accountability and members of Congress abdicating their responsibility of oversight and confirmation; and
Whereas: politicians, without regard to voters concerns and blatantly lying to voters concerning the details, are planning on a massive grab for political power by socializing our private medical care system inclduing forcing taxpayer funding of abortion; and
Whereas: politicians, without regard to voters concerns and blatantly lying to voters concerning the details, are planning on a massive grab for political power and money by passing a so-called Cap-and-Trade bill while ignoring insiders poised to reap millions of dollars pushing the legislation; and
Whereas: members of the administration and Congress, by their inaction have protected radical groups receiving tax dollars that have been shown to be blatantly violating the law, deeply involved in voter fraud and one group caught on video intimidating and disenfranchising (remember that word?) voters; and
Therefor be it Resolved that:
I, a still free American citizen, voter and taxpayer, hereby pledge to do my utmost to donate money, time and effort in taking back my country by removing from office those politicians who have forgotten or ignore their electorate, infringe freedom and ignore the Constitution while electing those who represent the best interests of voters and America…and demanding those responsible be held accountable.
piglosi is just plain insane….she belongs in a rubber room….somebody please shut her up!!!!pull the plug…have a power outage…and who gives a crap about fat boy kennedy’s life’s work…he sure as hell didn’t stand in line at Mass general for his care now did he? He got the best of care using his $$$…
KILL THE BILL…vote them out come 2010…we need a bloodbath at the polls!!! everyone who votes for this needs to be told we will work against them whether or not they are in our state…we can donate and make calls across state lines!!! I’ve done it before and I’ll do it again!!!
arg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I ticked off a few foreigners tonight while at Academy Sports…told em to speak English or get the hell out of our country…ooo did I get a dirty look….who cares…I will no longer put up with their corrupt culture and language!!!!
Pelosi is speaking explaining how this bill lower costs, increase competition, improves health, expands benefits,spur innovation plus will reduce obesity and prevent baldness all without any cost whatsoever to anybody! How could I have been so blind and callous to oppose it. I am now a true believer.
(Finishes cool-aid)
How can the Dems stand there and lie their asses off with straight faces?
A sad day for this country.
I would say that I hope that the Senate has the backbone to toss this piece of crap into the trash, but I am doubting it more and more…
Here’s my latest e-mail to my Congressman:
“I cannot express strongly enough how upset and disappointed I am at my
Congressional Representation.
You have been an unmitigated disaster in Congress, and your vote today is
just another example of your lack of qualifications for your position.
I am partially assuaged by the knowledge that you will no longer be my
Representative after November 2010 – you will not be re-elected. The
American people know how much you have betrayed them.
You are responsible for your role in this debacle. You have no excuses.
You were well warned.”
Is it just me, or are the Dimmicrats pushing this country towards an armed insurrection? They will not listen to an overwhelmingly large percentage of Americans that say NO! to this travesty. What is it going to take to get their attention?
If I’m not near a TV? Better I should be sure that I’m near a barf bucket.
It’s not over yet. Some of that talk had me checking the Fox News headline. There is still time to change the minds of reps in favor.
Rep. Chu of Cali – using human shields again.
Well I spent my entire day down in DC and I watched the idiots speak and heard their LIES live and I believe this bill will pass tonight BUT there is going to be HELL to pay for my Congressman Connelly of VA and ALL the LYING “bluedogs” who ran on FISCAL CONSERVATISM and there will be HELL to pay for Senators because that is where the NEXT BATTLE goes.
WE will WIN this WAR!!!
vickisoup ~ ditto!
Gerry Connolly (Va.) Had expressed concern about tax provisions in initial bill
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/66091-current-house-healthcare-bill-whip-count
Possibly worth a phone call if you live there now.
Anyone wonder why only the Congressional Black Congress and the real lib wing of the Dems are speaking? Who are they hiding? Who is hiding? Why are they hiding?
Where R most of the Democrats that are 6 yr or less senior?
Rep. Bachmann just showed a lei she was wearing she received from a family who came from Hawaii to join the tea party gatherings in DC.
Well, I guess that’s ok….but….
dems often win elections by hiding what they are truly about. Just look at our Prez.
33 dems not enough to stop this bill.
For years I’ve known that my tax dollars were going to Planned Parenthood. I guess the fact there was a middle man allowed me to rationalize.
Now, I feel outraged that my tax dollars will explicitly be used for abortion (and sex changes!), and I’m completely helpless to do anything about it.
I feel guilty I’m only outraged now. There is no justification in any moral code for this travesty.
Campaign against all these “Blue Ball Democrats” http://bit.ly/2Sb8B
Any of the guys on here LIARS!!! Like Wilson D-OH http://www.house.gov/melanc...
At the bottom of Rep Wilson D-OH website.. “Blue Dog Democrat” LIAR! http://www.charliewilson.ho...
march on Martin’s Ferry, Marietta & Boardman door to door to get rid of Rep Charlie Wilson
Cant disagree with any of that. Conservative voters need to get the hell out of the living room, and vote vote vote; throw these traitors out.
Rep. Boehner talks about the funding of abortions and the Stupak amendment. Dems muttering under their breath. Boehner gives them a look.
It’s rare but Boehner sometimes makes me proud!!! WTG tonite John!!!
have no fear the internet is next on their agenda…./sarc
It certainly looks like it is up to the US Senate…then if that fails it may be in the streets…I hope it doesn’t come to that.
…it doesn’t go nearly far enough in indicating how PISSED OFF I am about not only this health care crap being rammed through, but each and every other item listed.
I seriously want to see recall petitions circulated if this health care crap passes.
Well… hold off on the insurrection until after 2010 my friend. I think you will find that there will be quite a political “correction”, continuing into 2012. I am quite certain of it. And all these socialist bastards in Washington will be given tickets home.
I was at the wife’s bowling event for the company she used to work for…most of the people their didn’t even know they were voting on this today…not only that they didn’t have a clue what’s in this pile of crap bill…and folks this is Oklahoma!!! I enlightened a few of them from some of the posts here…they were astounded…fortunately we have at least 2 good reps who should vote no…it woke up a couple…but then again the fact they didn’t know in the first place scares me to death….
Let them vote. It is the equivalent of grabbing a 300,000 volt power line. Next year, Nan can bring the whole caucus to the Capitol in a minivan.
Yep, there are a lot of people, like us, with very angry parts right now. We will turn this garbage around at the ballot box. Even if this POS bill gets through the House tonight, it still has miles to go, including through the Senate. They wont have enough votes, as what happened in NJ will be a big warning to pols in fairly conservative districts/states around the country.
Rep. Johnson (D-TX) hasn’t read the bill. She said if the bill had all of the bad things the republicans have said, she wouldn’t support it.
Someone needs to call her and read from the pages of the bill.
On November 7th, 2009 at 7:29 pm, Flyoverman said:
lol! Good visual on that one. A VW Beetle might do it actually
New Fascist Party member Sam Farr of Cali just compared pregnant women in Latin America without healthcare to American pregnant women in America? WTF??
Yep, there’s your American voter in a nutshell. And people wonder how Obama got elected.
Rep. Farr (D-CA) “vote for the bill, vote for Hope!(c)”
His argument is that if the bill is passed no one at all will get any health care.
Typical Dem philosophy: If govt. doesn’t do something, nothing will get done by anyone else.
Did anyone else get a robo call from Boehner saying he was going to try to oust pelosi?
If the bill passes, women from Latin America will get free health care….if they happen to be standing in the United States.
In college, we actually got 15 guys in a 1972 Beetle. Not pretty, but pretty awesome.
Drudge reports now the vote may not take place until tomorrow, or beyond…meaning of course they still don’t have the votes. I actually wish they would bring the vote tonight – and lose. How sweet would that be?
lol! Good visual on that one. A VW
Wow! How is that possible? Hope everybody showered before.
Sweet as sugar sprinkled on honey.
)
How many Dems need to vote NO in order for this to die?
If the report is 33 now, how many more do we have to go?
Forget showers. I hope everyone greased up first!
Rep. DeLauro reminds me of Phylis Diller. She is the best dressed on the floor so far- very 1960′s.
She is ranting about abortion rights.
lol…:o)
I don’t recall what bill was being rammed through at the time, but the precedent has been set already, and blatantly so….
I am sure Pelosi is working hard trying to figure out how many millions in tax dollars will be given to each member holding out for their vote.
Disgusting POS. Each one of them.
they already are…they can’t be refused care at emergency rooms and then they get their jackpot anchor for life all on the U.S. taxpayer!!! and that’s without this pile of crap health care bill being rammed down our throats!!
wake up America the invaders are costing you billions each and every year they remain here illegally!!!
How many of the same guys could you get in a 72 Beetle today? LOL
The key was not to be among the first ones in. The feat was accomplished in layers, so breathing for the bottom tier became an issue. Packing Beatles was a fad at the time, like sitting on top of a Dairy Queen and setting records for singing verses of Henry the Eighth. Ah, for those heady days when young people had vision and purpose. Sigh.
Ouch! Maybe 4 or 5. Sigh.
Help me out here…
Do I need to fight Al Qaeda to regain control of this country… or do I need to join Al Qaeda…
What a disgusting entanglement of scumbags we have voted into to office…
No call, but I did receive a letter last week from him asking for his support to over take the dems in the House next year and of course help him campaign. I replied in red marker…”you supported DeDe before you supported Mr. Hoffman…they’ll no money going your way from me, you are no more than a the typical GOP that would be Good Old Pal, not to be confused with a conservative Republican.”
Hey I wear the same size jeans now than I did in 1972. Just 7 inches lower.
This has to be challenged in the Supreme Court. If the challenge fails then it’s revolution. Armed and bloody revolution. These jokers need to be taken out.
t&c…know what you’re getting at but in these times I’d be careful how I phrase things…just sayin…
I agree we have elected a bunch of American hating scumbags that need to go with rare exception…we all need to work tirelessly for candidates that will restore this country to its small government roots based upon the Constitution and the founders intentions!! we have volumes of works where they laid it all out…all we need is representatives who can read!!!
I think one of the things we need to do is pass a law that requires all bills be written in plain English, at an 8th grade reading level, and no more than 20 pages long.
If a typical 8th grader cannot read or understand the bill in an evening, then it should not become law.
2,000 pages of legislation that nobody’s bothered to read or understand is ridiculous.
Get a grip please. This kind of hyperbole really doesn’t help. We will take care of it in the elections. The pendulum is already swinging decidedly right.
we better get to planning the revolution, before these bastards get to the fairness doctrine.
swede, with all due respect, this is not something that will be undone by a vote.
cspan reporting that the vote may take place at midnight tonight…yep middle of the night stuff yet again!!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2381199/posts
Why?
I’m really tired of people saying we have to be careful about phrasing our discontent. OOH, be careful how say this or that. Are we already living in a police state? Get some balls.
I personally disagree that we can stop the takeover of our freedom by just voting in 2010, 2012, etc.. We have sat on our hands too long.
What we have now is coup of the American Constitution and its guarantees. How many Czars are there? When was the last time your representative in the Senate or House voted for your best interests? Are they living the same life that they are voting into law for you?
WAKE UP!
Because, like someone else said, once enacted this will become the political equivalent of the third rail.
People will believe they’re entitled to “free” health care and any politician who tries to scale it back (i.e., make people be responsible for themselves and their families) will be publicly excoriated for it. Additionally, when all the private insurance companies go bankrupt because of Obamacare, to whom will we turn?
Guess I thought that’s how a democracy works. What form of government are you advocating to replace it?
I disagree. First I dont think it will pass. If it does, since a majority of the country is against it, I believe that it will get reversed, undone etc., once Repubs have power, or at least scaled back to something normal as the repubs have already suggested in their bill. Additionally I believe certain portions of the bill are unconstitutional (mandatory insurance being one of them).
You’re the one who needs to get a grip. You are looking at the complete destruction of the American Constitution, and it’s coming so fast that you can’t believe it, can you?
If you think that NJ and VA Governor’s seats are the swinging pendulum that’s going to turn everything around, you are DREAMING.
I got a robo call tonite, from my MI Republican congressman inviting me to attend a conference call of the NRCC. Do you think that my returned surveys with NO $$ in them and sharpie markers across the page:
NO RINOS!!
NO AMNESTY!!
NO GUBMINT HEALTH CARE!!!
STOP SPENDING!!!
finally is sinking in?
I wish I were as optimistic as you.
In addition to promising to pay for votes with OUR tax dollars, Pelosi is most likely promising Representatives who vote with her on the health care bill that she will help them raise campaign funds for the 2010 election.
We need to make any campaign fundraising trips by Pelosi completely toxic by organizing BIG Tea Party “Welcomes” wherever Pelosi goes!
We will all look forward to watching the videos of these Tea Party “Welcomes” on YouTube!
Let’s see, the end of American conservatism was proclaimed in ’64, ’76, ’92 and ’08. Kind of doesn’t really work that way. Check the tracking polls at RCP. Dear Leader, Dingy and Nanny are on the skids and sinking fast.
At any rate, armed insurrection and bloodshed is your answer? Sounds like something I might read on Daily Kos a few years back. Let me know how that goes. I’ll continue to work within a system that’s flawed, but still the best form of government. Unless you can show me a better one.
swede
what kind of government am I advocating?
a government BY THE DAMN PEOPLE, thats what kind
sbw999
why?
I am going to presume that you are speaking rhetorically here, or that you are playing a game with me.
Why?
Because it cedes almost complete control to people like Obama and his cronies.
Why?
because it destroys private health insurance.
Why?
have you EVER seen an entitlement program that truly succeeded, or that was ever repealed, no matter HOW bad?
WHY?
Because it creates even more of a share the wealth aspect to our country, it creates more parasitic lazy asses that will depend on the rest of us to support them. Why work? Why even try to make something of yourself, the government will decide everything for you. And the rest of us with any kind of spirit left will have gone gault at the very least.
At least some of us are trying to stop it and not being idiot lemmings jumping over the cliff.
As I understand the principles that this country is founded upon, the people that are considered citizens have the guaranteed right to their property, the property that is legally earned or theirs by inheritance.
They are also guaranteed the right to bear arms to defend their property and their lives and livelihood. The government is legally prevented from unduly infringing upon those rights.
Taxes are legal to support the governments’ legitimate duties. Forcing people to buy some insurance package is not.
Caving into some foreign entity’s laws without Senate hearings is not. Executive Czars are not a part of the Constitution.
I’m sure some of you legal beagles will pick that apart, but you can go to hell.
The decision of the direction that this country will take will rest with the voters. But if the voters are denied their power to control this country, the final decision will rest with the people who hold the arms and ammunition.
That will be a bad day for America. But don’t dismiss the possibility. Bearing arms does not just mean having the ability to defending one’s personal property. Recall how this country was founded.