Liveblogging: The new Imperial Congress votes on Pelosicare; Update: Female Democrats turn House resolution process into circus; GOP responds; Obama rallies weakened Dems; will Stupak amendment stick?
The House is now in a rare Saturday session for the government health care takeover ram down.
Welcome to the new Imperial Congress.
Keep a close eye on the vulnerable Democrats listed here by USA Today. Here is their current tally of House Dems voting no:
The New York Daily News has just published a statement from hometown Rep. Michael McMahon, D-N.Y. He’s in the no column. “I believe the net negatives of this bill outweight the positive effects,” McMahon says.
Five of those announcements came today. All of the lawmakers who announced opposition cited concerns about the price tag of the legislation, estimated by the Congressional Budget Office to be more than $1 trillion over 10 years.
“After months of thoroughly reviewing legislative proposals and speaking with constituents and stakeholders, I am not satisfied that this bill before us is a sustainable solution,” said Rep. Frank Kratovil, D-Md. Alert readers will remember that he was the congressman hung in effigy during the height of the August town hall meeting uproar.
The other three Democratic freshmen from McCain districts who announced their opposition to the health care bill Friday are: Reps. Bobby Bright of Alabama, Walt Minnick of Idaho, and Suzanne Kosmas of Florida. Two who announced their opposition earlier: Reps. Travis Childers of Mississippi and Parker Griffith of Alabama. All but Griffith have announced their opposition since Election Day, when Democrats suffered humiliating defeats in the New Jersey and Virginia governors races.
Still on the fence: Reps. Tom Perriello, D-Va., John Boccieri, D-Ohio, Ann Kirkpatrick, D-Ariz., Betsy Markey, D-Colo., and Harry Teague, D-N.M.
Ed Morrissey notes Pelosi’s last-minute agreement to allow pro-life Democrat Bart Stupak to bring his federal abortion funding ban to the floor today.
House Republicans will hold a second Operation House Call protest event today at 1pm Eastern. If you are in D.C., stand with them.
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9:20am Eastern. 1minute speeches.
* Democrat Rep. Jackie Speier crows that Pelosicare will let “children” stay on their parents’ insurance until they are 27. Yeah, culture of entitlement!
*Democrat Rep. Tim Ryan says “Freedom means being healthy in America.” Gad.
*GOP Rep. Joe Pitts confirms that one pro-life amendment — Stupak, Pitts, etc.-sponsored bipartisan amendment — will be heard on the floor, preserving the status quo and codifying the Hyde Amendment to prevent federal health care subsidies for abortion.
Update 10:41am Eastern. GOP Rep Tom Price says the final vote looks it will take place at 6pm Eastern. House is taking care of other business right now. Then there will be a vote on motion to proceed on govt health care debate. There will reportedly be 1 hour of debate; unspecified time set aside to debate GOP alternative; vote on Stupak amendment; then final vote.
Update 10:44am Eastern. Dem. Rep. Slaughter brings House Res. 903 for a vote on rules for debate on HR 3962, the Pelosicare health care takeover.
Greg Mueller tweets that Obama will meet Dems at 11am at the Cannon House building. His sources tell him Dems still don’t have the votes.
Update 11:06am Eastern. A parade of female Democrats are using the House resolution process to play the gender card on Pelosicare and eat into general debate time through unanimous consent requests. GOP Reps are objecting. Chair John Dingell shutting up GOP reps. Repubs want an extension of an hour on debate to balance the female Dem circus.
A female Republican rep is objecting. Dingell is ignoring her.
GOP Rep. Culberson asks for extension of an hour on debate. Request ignored.
GOP Rep Tom Price points out that unanimous requests must not include significant embellishments. Dingell disputes him and then ignores Price’s further parliamentary inquiry.
GOP Rep Burton objects to female Dems’ embellished unanimous consent orders.
We need GOP Rep Michele Bachmann, Marsha Blackburn, and all other GOP women on the floor now.
Now.
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Update 1130am Eastern. The female Democrat parade continues. Dingell finally, lamely, chides Dem Rep Slaughter that her parade needs to limit its unanimous consent request embellishments. They ignore him. He will now charge Slaughter time.
Female Dems end their parade with a Democrat screeching about domestic violence. Finally ruled out of order.
GOP women finally lined up to file their own unanimous consent requests.
Dingell immediately rules a GOP woman out of order.
Dingell repeatedly admonishes GOP women for their statements when he allowed the parade of female Dems to spew freely.
GOP Rep. Virginia Foxx pushes back against “this exercise of tyranny by the majority.”
Dingell rules her out of order. He’s charging GOP Rep. Pete Sessions’ time now.
GOP men now on floor with their unanimous consent requests.
GOP Rep. Dan Burton carries entire 1900-page bill with him. “I hope I don’t get a hernia.” Tells Dems to read the bill before voting on it.
Dem Rep. Slaughter bemoans the “extremists” who protested govt-run health care yesterday at the Capitol. Says they “threatened” Democrats.
Slaughter laments past defeats of massive government intervention. Relives “Harry and Louise” ads. Plays the gender card again. Slaughter invokes Kennedy.
Update 11:53am Eastern. GOP resumes unanimous consent requests. Dingell continues charging Rs times.
Update 12:44pm Eastern. Obama visited the Hill to rally weakened Dems. He told them to stand on the “right side of history.”
Er, that would be the LEFT side of history.
Reports are that final vote has been delayed until at least 10:30pm Eastern.
Update: 1:02pm Eastern. House is now taking two procedural votes. After those, it’s on to four hours of floor debate before final vote.
Here is a list of undecideds. Get to work!
Update 3:50pm Eastern. Here is the latest no count on Dems.
GOP Rep. Chris Smith on floor urging adoption of Stupak amendment: “Abortion is neither health care nor reform.”
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Update 4:15pm Eastern. Hmmm…
Rep. Stupak: Health care has the votes whether anti-abortion amendment passes or fails. Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) told reporters that regardless of the outcome of the vote on his amendment, which would severely restrict coverage of reproductive health issues, the House health care bill is headed for passage. He is whipping support for the amendment and estimates he has 225 votes. If he’s right, the amendment will pass, and he predicted enough pro-life Democrats will vote yes on the final bill to put it over the top. But if it fails, he said, enough pro-lifers will have been satisfied to have had their vote on the floor that they’ll turn around and support the final bill anyway.
Update 4:45pm Eastern. Boehner exposes phoniness of Stupak amendment. Asks Rangel if it passes, will Ds guarantee that it stays in the final bill.
Rangel snottily says that such a guarantee might be an ethics violation.
Yes, Rangel balking at possible “ethics” violation.
Chutzpah.
Key issue now: Will pro-life Dems go along with the Kabuki Stupak amdnt vote knowing that the federal abortion ban will not survive negotiations?
Here is the Rangel-Boehner exchange via Gateway Pundit’s Jim Hoft:
Karl at the Green Room looks at the gamesmanship over the Stupak amendment.
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Via reader Kathy, here’s a handy phone/fax list for Blue Dog Dems:
Altmire, Jason (PA-04) Phone: (202) 225-2565 Fax: (202) 226-2274
Arcuri, Mike (NY-24) Phone: (202) 225-3665 Fax: (202) 225-1891
Baca, Joe (CA-43) Phone: (202) 225-6161 Fax: (202) 225-8671
Barrow, John (GA-12) Phone: (202) 225-2823 Fax: (202) 225-3377
Berry, Marion (AR-01) Phone: (202) 225-4076 Fax: (202) 225-5602
Bishop, Sanford (GA-02) Phone: (202) 225-3631 Fax: (202) 225-2203
Boren, Dan (OK-02) Phone: (202) 225-2701 Fax: (202) 225-3038
Boswell, Leonard (IA-03) Phone: (202) 225-3806 Fax: (202) 225-5608
Boyd, Allen (FL-02) Phone: (202) 225-5235 Fax: (202) 225-5615
Bright, Bobby (AL-02) Phone: (202) 225-2901 Fax: (202) 225-8913
Cardoza, Dennis (CA-18) Phone: (202) 225-6131 Fax: (202) 225-0819
Carney, Christopher (PA-10) Phone: (202) 225-3731 Fax: (202) 225-9594
Chandler, Ben (KY-06) Phone: (202) 225-4706 Fax: (202) 225-2122
Childers, Travis (MS-01) Phone: (202) 225-4306 Fax: (202) 225-3549
Cooper, Jim (TN-05) Phone: (202) 225-4311 Fax: (202) 226-1035
Costa, Jim (CA-20) Phone: (202) 225-3341 Fax: (202) 225-9308
Cuellar, Henry (TX-28) Phone: (202) 225-1640 Fax: (202) 225-1641
Dahlkemper, Kathy (PA-03) Phone: (202) 225-5406 Fax: (202) 225-3103
Davis, Lincoln (TN-04) Phone: (202) 225-6831 Fax: (202) 226-5172
Donnelly, Joe (IN-02) Phone: (202) 225-3915 Fax: (202) 225-6798
Ellsworth, Brad (IN-08) Phone: (202) 225-4636 Fax: (202) 225-3284
Giffords, Gabrielle (AZ-08) Phone: (202) 225-2542 Fax: (202) 225-0378
Gordon, Bart (TN-06) Phone: (202) 225-4231 Fax: (202) 225-6887
Griffith, Parker (AL-05) Phone: (202) 225-4801 Fax: (202) 225-4392
Harman, Jane (CA-36) Phone: (202) 225-8220 Fax: (202) 226-7290
Herseth Sandlin, Stephanie (SD) Phone: (202) 225-2801 Fax: (202) 225-5823
Hill, Baron (IN-09) Phone: (202) 225-5315 Fax: (202) 226-6866
Holden, Tim (PA-17) Phone: (202) 225-5546 Fax: (202) 226-0996
Kratovil, Jr., Frank (MD-01) Phone: (202) 225-5311 Fax: (202) 225-0254
McIntyre, Mike (NC-07) Phone: (202) 225-2731 Fax: (202) 225-5773
Marshall, Jim (GA-08) Phone: (202) 225-6531 Fax: (202) 225-3013
Matheson, Jim (UT-02) Phone: (202) 225-3011 Fax: (202) 225-5638
Melancon, Charlie (LA-03) Phone: (202) 225-4031 Fax: (202) 226-3944
Michaud, Mike (ME-02) Phone: (202) 225-6306 Fax: (202) 225-2943
Minnick, Walt (ID-01) Phone: (202) 225-6611 Fax: (202) 225-3029
Mitchell, Harry (AZ-05) Phone: (202) 225-2190 Fax: (202) 225-3263
Moore, Dennis (KS-03) Phone: (202) 225-2865 Fax: (202) 225-2807
Murphy, Patrick (PA-08) Phone: (202) 225-4276 Fax: (202) 225-9511
Nye, Glenn (VA-02) Phone: (202) 225-4215 Fax: (202) 225-4218
Peterson, Collin (MN-07) Phone: (202) 225-2165 Fax: (202) 225-1593
Pomeroy, Earl (ND) Phone: (202) 225-2611 Fax: (202) 226-0893
Ross, Mike (AR-04) Phone: (202) 225-3772 Fax: (202) 225-1314
Salazar, John (CO-03) Phone: (202) 225-4761 Fax: (202) 226-9669
Sanchez, Loretta (CA-47) Phone: (202) 225-2965 Fax: (202) 225-5859
Schiff, Adam (CA-29) Phone: (202) 225-4176 Fax: (202) 225-5828
Scott, David (GA-13) Phone: (202) 225-2939 Fax: (202) 225-4628
Shuler, Heath (NC-11) Phone: (202) 225-6401 Fax: (202) 226-6422
Space, Zack (OH-18) Phone: (202) 225-6265 Fax: (202) 225-3394
Tanner, John (TN-08) Phone: (202) 225-4714 Fax: (202) 225-1765
Taylor, Gene (MS-04) Phone: (202) 225-5772 Fax: (202) 225-7074
Thompson, Mike (CA-01) Phone: (202) 225-3311 Fax: (202) 225-4335
Wilson, Charles (OH-06) Phone: (202) 225-5705
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Update 5:30pm Eastern. Starting a fresh thread here.
More liveblogging tonight from Allahpundit at Hot Air.
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“I appreciate your long-term optimism, but if you look at the history of the last 100 years freedom has been losing to collectivism every step of the way.”
Yep. And socialism has gotten away with its creep because folks did not either have an interest in what was being socialized or it happened slowly enough that folks did not object.
This time that is not the case. Health care impacts all of us. Jobs and the job market that will be hurt by cap and trade impacts all of us.
Just look at the attention the off election cycle Virginia/NJ/New York and California garnished.
Its all good.
The future is bright. Folks need to get involved instead of scared and planning to be a communist.
The right can still blow this thing. All we have to do is continue to sound like Chicken Little, attack each other and send up Ron Paul and Pat Buchannan as our candidates.
Because strong fiscal conservatives have no place in the GOP?
Chet Edwards (D-TX) has a recording on his House phone number that he has decided to vote NO
On November 7th, 2009 at 3:50 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:
“Every step forward on this is a step backward for liberty.”
To portray passage in the house as no big deal is a stupid bromide. And for you to preach that it’s no big deal smacks not of long term optimism but historical blindness.
In fact it almost sounds like someone trying to lull the opposition into a stupor before the final blow.
Passage is one less hurdle they have to overcome to making it law. It will not be good for anyone, and momentum will be on their side.
“Because strong fiscal conservatives have no place in the GOP?”
No. Because if we send up Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan Obama gets 4 more years.
On November 7th, 2009 at 3:55 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:
Pat Buchannan? Do you still wear shoulder pads and Miami Vice glasses?
“To portray passage in the house as no big deal is a stupid bromide.”
It hasn’t passed. It in its current form will not make it out of the Senate and may not make it to the Senate.
To not see the great blessing this whole mess is for we conservatives and to act like “The Russians are coming, The Russians are coming” is tin foil hat lunancy time and harms our attempt to move forward on the national stage.
It is time to hold the line, teach conservative philosophy, not over react. We have a solid base for our beliefs and that base is an anchor. Act like you got some anchor there Film. Or continue to cry that the sky is falling. Your choice.
One will get you heard. One means you get to preach to the doomsday choir.
Your choice.
People who would not have last year given the idea of listening to folks who believe like Ronald Reagan are now willing to listen. If we scare those people away with this nonsensical fear mongering that will be on us. Not on Obama.
Ron Paul introduced bills that would have given 100% tax credit for medical expenses, and made it illegal for government to force the citizens to buy insurance.
No room for small government ideas in the GOP? That’s why the GOP leans left.
“Do you still wear?”
Never did.
Do you know the difference between toliet paper and the shower curtain?
“No room for small government ideas in the GOP?”
Who said there was no room for small govenrment ideas in the GOP?
I said Ron Paul can’t get elected. Any more than Newt can or Rush Limbaugh can.
Thank you for the “fence” update, Mrs. Malkin. It led me to decide my future Congressman is more on the fence than I thought and throw him an email. (Wouldn’t want to take phone time away from people who already live there.)
On November 7th, 2009 at 4:03 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:
I don’t see how you can equate fighting passage of this bill in the house, or seeing its win as a loss to liberty, to being chicken littles and nominating Ron Paul or Buchannan for President.
Are you trying to bring up Doug Hoffman now? Do you not want conservatives running on the GOP? Do you see conservatives as scary and want moderates in the party? What is really up with you anyway?
We’ve done things your way for the past 20 years, and look what it’s brought us.
Ron Paul is too old to run. But I’d still rather have 4 more years of Obama than settle for Romneycare, which would have looked a lot like this anyway.
Electing libertarians would mean conservative results after negotiations.
I’m done with the middle.
“seeing its win as a loss to liberty”
Maybe because it hasn’t won and isn’t going to. You are really locked into the misrepresentation of what the process is and where the process is at.
“Do you not want conservatives running on the GOP?”
Huh?
Oh never mind.
Why couldn’t they get elected? Because the left demonized them? Because they were too conservative? If people like them can’t get elected then there’s something wrong with us, not them.
The House fight is a big deal, but if lost, we continue to fight; we do not throw up our hands and say “It’s the Soviet Union now! It’s over!” That would be a really good way to lose.
Coburn is starting to look like a good candidate, potentially.
“Why couldn’t they get elected?”
I have a better chance than Ron Paul of being elected President.
Sadly probably the case for Sara Palin too.
Probably Fred Thompson as well.
I called Gabrielle Giffords office. Got through right away, don’t think it’ll do any good, but at least I did about what I could.
On November 7th, 2009 at 4:07 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:
You do understand that I said “in the house,” right? There are two chambers in Congress. Passing in the house is not a blessing and your arguments that they are, are rather patronizing, insulting, and address strawmen (Ron Paul, Buchannan, chicken little) as opposed to my specific points.
Debate like an adult.
Oh, and your “try to be reasonable” line brought the GOP to its knees with John “my friends” McCain.
I try really hard when I talk to God not to ask for selfish things, but if it is in His will for our Republic, I have asked Him to open they eyes of those in dc to stop all this bho, team, and most of the dc bunch. My heart aches so much for my country. My God will do His will and I will deal with His decision. God, please bless America as You have done from the get go.
L
Shelia Jackson-Lee (D-Houston) just called the scarecare bill “efficient”.
No wonder the local media won’t cover her any longer.
On November 7th, 2009 at 4:13 pm, NestingHawk said:
I’m certainly not arguing that, though jsmiddleton seems to be saying I am.
Rush Limbaugh can’t get elected on his own account. Many conservatives dislike him. I have a particular dislike for him myself. I have seen him make sexist statements which no context can possibly excuse. Lying about what he says and whatnot is still wrong, but I think he is an idiot and would have a hard time voting for him, might vote for Joe Lieberman first. I think this is why Obama likes to exaggerate his influence in the Republican party; a lot of people really, sincerely don’t like him, no left brainwashing required.
I’ll go with the demonization argument for Sarah Palin and George Bush, though. They’ll just do that to anyone up there. (I don’t like everything George Bush did, but I don’t think he deserves anything like what he gets, and he’s still better than Obama. And I think McCain got demonized by his own base. Again, don’t like everything he likes, but again, better than Obama.)
Lots of Dems for “No” and leaning “No”.
Rep. Pete Stark, Cali, is on the floor now hiding behind children.
Again on the left – human shields.
“the demonization argument”
Someone’s electability is suspect equals “demonizing argument”?
No wonder we’re all going to be Russians when the bill isn’t even out of the House yet.
“jsmiddleton seems to be saying I am.”
I can speak for myself just fine.
You consistently are over reacting Film and misrepresenting the nature of the process.
That is what I am telling you.
Classifying Rush as an “idiot” seems like a stretch to me. I have likely heard the same sexist comments from Rush that you heard, and I thought they were pretty funny. Then again, I thought Ann Coulter was right on when she said, “if women couldn’t vote there would never be another Democrat elected.”
Guess I had better not run for president. LOL
On November 7th, 2009 at 4:28 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:
Well you’re starting to sound like a Gingrich Republican. I’ve got better things to do than argue with an armchair political marketing strategist, like call my congressman again, because unlike you I do not want this bill to get out of the House.
But who knows, I’m sure you’ll manage to get “peace in our time” by sounding reasonable.
The US Government cannot incarcerate 60% of its actual working and armed citizens.
Fixed it for myself
They have to take away our guns first. Possible, but then they are doing it backwards. They need to take our guns first! Then they can worry about the rest. But Democrats are not smart enough to know that.
Wow! To say I disagree with that would probably be the understatement of my lifetime. I don’t believe Romney is a marxist or hates America.
On November 7th, 2009 at 4:37 pm, BOB said:
Neither. Although I have to say, it seems Romney loves Romney most of all.
Simple choice; either Obama/Plotzi/Reid fail or America fails.
Bob,
You could say that about a lot of groups. Why is this the case? Because anyone trying to fundamentally change a system is going to go after groups with legitimate grievances for recruitment. The answer is to make some effort at addressing legitimate grievances, not continue making comments like that, which I’m sure Democrats LOVE to see Republicans make. I intensely dislike Ann Coulter as well, not least for repeatedly using “female” and female indicators as synonyms for cowardice. Another one who couldn’t get elected on her own account, not by demonization, and another one who Democrats like to make seem more important than she is because of the number of people who dislike her. Yeah, Bob, I probably wouldn’t vote for you. (My radical fiscal libertarianism and radical (pro-life) feminism would probably keep me out of office, as well.)
Here’s a question: If Republicans had the collective marketing sense of a pigeon, would Democrats keep getting elected?
Ha….
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/017/177wdacd.asp
This is NOT how I wanted to “celebrate” my 43rd birthday!
Calling idiot reps. and praying I don’t share my b-day w/ the anniversary of our Nation becoming a socialist state!!!
PRAYING FOR A BIRTHDAY MIRACLE!!!
I’m disgusted that they are playing this “game” with out healthcare liberties. They have no shame. NONE.
They will celebrate a “win” not for what it can do for the American people, but what it will say to them about their power. They are, I repeat, disgusting on every level.
Pelosi is pure evil.
Oh, and Happy Birthday, rightwingmom!
rightwingmom,
Happy BD and ditto on the Birthday Miracle!
L
“If Republicans had the collective marketing sense of a pigeon, would Democrats keep getting elected?”
Sure. And Democrats getting elected does not fall solely on the “Republicans” being goofed.
Look at the recent fiasco in NY-23. That mess was a locally created mess and was the result of no primary. Once she was the candidate that was put forward what was the national leadership suppose to do?
Total mess. Not necessarily Michael Steele’s faulth.
JSMiddleton:
Wasn’t it local Republican officials who chose to have no primary and put her up, though? Or am I misunderstanding the process in NY-23?
I am sick,sick,sick at what’s taking place in this country.It’s like they didn’t even bat an eye at the protest on Thursday.They are just determined to have a socialist country and be in the majority forever by putting up bills that will give them the illegal vote.
Some encouragement ~
Chet Edwards (TX) is voting no.
Solomon Ortiz (TX) needs help ~
he’s still on the fence.
202-225-7742
JSMiddleton:
By my demonization comment, I simply meant that the fact that Democrats have demonized a candidate doesn’t mean we shouldn’t put them up there. That gives the Democrats control, and they’re going to try it on anyone we put up anyway. Some candidates deserve to be fought back for, but sometimes there’s a tendency to give in anyway, accepting the Democrats’ unfair claims, giving up on principled candidates, and letting potential candidates of the future know exactly how they will be treated.
That is because they (the democrat leaders) do not care about you! This healthcare bill is the holy grail of the socialists. It is so close they can taste it. Do you think they are going to let us pesky little peasants stop it? Not a chance. They are pulling out all the stops on this one.
And I do think this will show the country what these collectivists are really like. The big question is do too many voters agree with them.
When ‘The One’ said ‘finish the job’ did he mean like ‘coup de grâce’?
FilmLadd:
Enough doom and gloom SOUNDS like that.
“I simply meant that the fact that Democrats have demonized a candidate doesn’t mean we shouldn’t put them up there.”
Ok. And I agree. We decide who is and who is not electable.
You can watch the health care debate on http://www.cspan.org
Watch and find out who we need to campaign against to vote Reps. out of office if they vote for this bill!
We need to be working on the 2010 election campaigns NOW! Any money or time donated to campaigns is far more effective if it is done early!
No one said Romney hated America or was a marxist (though Romneycare would sure make that case), all that was said was that Romneycare would look a lot like this, which happens to be spot-on true.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
When this is over, which ever way it goes, everyone who lives in a district with a “Bluedog” Drmocrat as their representative needs to remember that if that representative belongs to the Democrat party then they are a Democrat first and your representative second. They cannot be trusted not to sell you out to the their party masters if given the right incentive!
AS long as they’re not still living in the basement……they will be?…oh crap!
This is a tragedy. Obsequiousness unbounded as far as the dhimmicrats can go. This has to be challenged in the Supreme Court. If the challenge fails then it’s revolution. Armed and bloody revolution. These jokers need to be taken out.
Keep calling, everyone. Our beautiful, threatened country needs our desperate defense.
blows me away that a grown adult can stand on the floor of the US House of Representatives and LIE through his teeth, saying Congress has listened to their constituents and this 1900 page piece of crap is what they want.
There, that’s better. It’s a universally accepted piece of crap.
Doggett needs to be dogged…
The quote is below, it’s the “rather have 4 more years of Obama than settle for Romneycare” that astonished me. With Obama you are getting Romneycare on steroids along with everything else bad about Obama, which is everything.
“On November 7th, 2009 at 4:10 pm, MarcoPolo said:
We’ve done things your way for the past 20 years, and look what it’s brought us.
Ron Paul is too old to run. But I’d still rather have 4 more years of Obama than settle for Romneycare, which would have looked a lot like this anyway.
Electing libertarians would mean conservative results after negotiations.
I’m done with the middle.”
One idiot republican voted to pass PelObamacare. What a fool along with the 219 dumb Dems.
What a bunch of fools!
I believe something this significant should require a 2/3 vote in favor.